I appreciate you effort to test the props. But because you flew your copter up and down and all around. You neutralize any results you came up with. When you move the control levers it effects the amount of power drain on the batteries. And since you could not duplicate the exact flight pattern on every test, it nullifies the findings. The proper way to get a more accurate reading would have been to just lift off slowly up to about 8 to ten feet and then let go of the controls and let it just hover there till the warning light came on with each test. The further you move the control levers determine how much power it uses, therefore effecting how long you fly. But doing it indoors was a good idea, because wind would have also contributed to false readings.
I'm watching your video and the prop guards seem to be vibrating is some shots. Are the props making the prop guards vibrate or could the guards be a problem. Have you taken the prop guards off to see if there is any change in performance? Thanks so much for doing all the testing. It's very helpful!
Thanks for the vid Will. Good stuff. I guess the other stability factor is how well the motors are balanced? Props can be balanced perfectly but an off balance motor case, will undo the time spent prop balancing. Cheers.
when balance you could be making a roughened edge, which maybe causing the shaking being seen, use a high grit to polisg surface maybe. know it is a old video but may help others
The most honest and informative vid I have ever seen none of this my phantom flys for 18min on a stock battery as the Dji company says Your 101% REAL IV. TRIED 9 INCH carbon props way to much wobble 9 INCH knock off props (balanced) had to alter the gains to make it fly rite but not all that impressed.same with the wide landing gear to much wobble even if the gains are altered My findings were IF IT ISN'T BROKEN DONT TRY TO FIX IT YOUR WASTING YOUR MONEY YOURS IS A GREAT VID Brian London
A good frame will suppress jello, I do not balance props as a rule and if a prop is really badly made I just pitch it. Vibration on the quad body can tell a lot or glue stick a laser pointer on each arm and spool up motors and check the dot on a wall close to see each arms vibs. Motors are more important to be balanced.
Nice vid. I have a doubt. If I change my 8" propellers Phantom 1 for 9" propellers of Phantom 2, does it change the gains or parameters of dji assistant? My Dji Phantom weight is 1200 grs. more or less... Thanks in advance.
Where do you get the 9" composite prop guards? well a ebay search concludes this: Foxnovo-4pcs-9-inch-Enhanced-Carbon-Fiber-Propeller-Prop-Protective-Guards. will be getting those...
Hey if you have the DJI phantom 2. Could you test if the phantom 2 flys more stable than with the phantom 2 propellers. Since i have seen many videos wheer the DJI phantom 1 is just sooooo much more stable then my phantom 2. It can be since it crashed from the prev owner and i need a new body. but i cant find one so i gotta relay on props rn.
Can't get to Part 2. Fixed the you.tube problem but still won't load. What's up? Also have you had any experience with the GemFan 9443C or 9450C props? They are plastic by carbon filled and are supposed to be stiffer than normal ABS props. Appreciate any comments if you know anything about them. Thanks.
Hi, I have a Phantom 1 ( V1.2). Can I use self-locking props? I bought some from a chinese website, called New 9443 Self Tightening Propeller Set of 4 CW / CCW DJI Phantom 2 Vision . Do you think they will work?
So happy to see new videos from you. I am not into the Phantom scene that much but I absolutely enjoy watching your videos. Production quality is top notch and I am learning about something new. Keep them coming! EDIT: I hope you watched South Park this week and laughed....
Hey man, what brand prop guards are they and where did you get them? Had a horrible experience with my DJI brand ones, they are waaaaay to pliable so I'd like to get a set like this.
Thanks, Will! Good to know. Great video, by the way. Your production quality far exceeds most of the how-to videos on the web and makes all your videos very enjoyable.
hey man i just made a phantom 1 electronics into a phantom 2 shell with new motor's same kv and so i soldered on the first motor which is the back left and then i plugged everything im to test if it's spinning the right way and so then i soldered on the 2nd back right motor and also tested it then i just did the other 2 at same time and tested it and so i had to rotate the naza 180° so that the arrow will look forward and so when i put everything together and took of it just instafliped on me and i realised that the first 2 motor's i did are going into full throttle and that's what's making the flipover what do u think i should do some people told me that the drone needs to be fully calibrated with laptop do u think that will fix my problem what do u think? awesome video's btw...
Hi Will really nice video i find this very learning because i want to buy the phantom 2 and this help me and also about the computer for video editing.Question have you already see about the the 3 blades prop i seem to very stable but this will have negative on the power time what do you think? i am waiting the next video ;-)
Thank you for the video! Entertaining and instructional as always:) A quick note regarding your balancing of the props, especially the carbon fiber ones. You probably already know this, but be careful when sanding or otherwise alter carbon fiber, as pure carbon(which it essentially is) is quite hazardous. Always wear a mask and do your work in a well ventilated area.
By understanding a few basic characteristics, you can predict these results and even model them with eCalc. ecalc.ch/xcoptercalc.php?ecalc&lang=en First, the bigger props are more efficient so a 9.4 inch will almost always out preform a 8 inch. Secondly, less aggressive pitches are more efficient so a 4.3 will beat a 4.6 but have slightly less lift and response. The reason carbon fiber is snappier and but less efficient is because of the lack of flexing. Since they don't flex as much they carry a slightly higher pitch than an equivalent plastic prop which will mean more response but slightly less time. I'm not sure if a 10in prop will fit on a phantom with out hitting blades but if so, a 1038 or 10"x3.8" prop should give you the longest flight time of any of your configurations. The right size and pitch has more to do with efficiency than brand and composition. :-)
Thanks :) very helpful I've got both the nock off 9443 and an official dji set of phantom.2 props so will be interesting to see what I get with them Looking forward to the battery mod :)
I am looking into purchasing a phantom 1.2, I have a couple questions though. Does it come with a naza controller so I can hook a gimbal up to it, or do I have to upgrade it to accept a gimbal?
Those self-tightening props with the caps on the tops can be balanced. Choose your method: 1: Drill proper sized holes in the caps for typical balancing method being careful to get the holes properly centered, of course. Use proper centerpunch tool.if necessary. 2: Drive a stout pin or needle through a piece of thin flat wood (like paneling) make sure it is vertical on x and y axes looking down on the pin. Centerpunch a small dot on the insides of blade caps if necessary, but with enough care to not damage the caps. Place props atop the pin to balance. Great video you made! Well done!
The bigger the props the less vibratin it will create thats centrifugal force work smaller props requires higher rpm for flight so it means increase in centrifugal force
well, no info about the prop design regarding airfoil, camber, chord etc. Are some of these just "flat" blades? You could grab some micrometers and measure the material thickness across the blades to see. And keep in mind that at 6k rpm a 9 inch prop has tips going over 160 mph... the CF material failing at that speed is no toy... and a crack in that material should be a clear warning to throw them out.
Put some 1045 props on there. You will go from 6 min to 12 min+ lol. my 400 quad racer came with 8045 3d props on 1300kv 2213 motors. I installed 2213 935kv Emax motors and 1045 props. went from 6 minutes on a 2200mah 4 cell to 16 minutes. she did 85mph max. 6 minutes hover. Now she does 75mph max. 16 minutes hover. I can handle the trade off. You can run 4 cell on 2213 motors at 920kv to 950kv all day long on 1045 props. But keep the mass under 2.2lbs. On a 3 cell keep the mass under 3.9lbs. don't exceed 4.0lbs on any 2212 or 2213 the motors will burn up, PS invest in a grapheme battery. you should get way more then 6 min on your setup with one
Will, I was going to send your link to a friend of mine, but he is deaf and your video has no CC... not even the automatic one. When you post a video, if you select the language (make that a default setting) then as you post videos... TH-cam will include a CC track. (It's not great, but better than nothing.) If you have time... you can edit this track then delete the original... this way not only will deaf users be able to enjoy your video... but people can hit TRANSLATE, and view it in their native language. Thanks, Jerry
YEP - The prop guards will - pretty much - make your tests null - - Please try without the guards - I know you are inside but most fly outside and those Prop guards cause A LOT of Vibration - and even need to be balanced themselves - FOR FILMING - lose THE GUARDS AND YOUR TESTS WILL BE (REPRESENT) better accuracy - I hate those things - lol - Just a side note!!!- Thanks for the videos!! Keep up the good work!
Troy Harper I can see how they would contribute to vibration from the prop wash but I don't see how using identical guards will make much of a difference in the duration testing.
I know this is an old video, but why call just one set of props counterfeit? If all the other props have the same shape form and size as the DJI OEM, Well give or take an inch on some. Shouldn't they all be counterfeit, if they're not DJI OEM? I don't think so either. Let's just call them for what they are "aftermarket"
You know.....before you go comparing and bashing other peoples products, you should really make sure your test runs are the same. You fly the thing all over the place with one set of props and then just let it hover with small corrections with others. How can you say that one set increases flying time when you only hover and say another set is bad when you are flying it all over the place with tons of twists and dives and are somehow surprised when the times are far less?
Thank you for the awesome video! Like you, I own and love the Phantom 1. Unlike you, I live at 5200 feet, so my Phantom 1 wouldn't even leave the ground with 9443 props. But I have good news! I went to a 14.8 (4s) battery set up with amazing result! This should be your next upgrade. With the 4s battery setup I have remounted the 9443 props and my Phantom 1 now takes flight! I haven't done flight time experiments yet, but, because of your results, I am hopeful to get my fly time up to 10, 11 or even 12 minutes. I'm not quite the film maker you are, but here is a chronicle of my 4s battery journey. I basically went from 3s 6-minute flights to 4s 8-minute flights. For my tests I used a Multistar 4000mAh 4s battery. th-cam.com/video/cQofC7yxOpo/w-d-xo.html A variable you may want to consider is motor temperature. Get yourself a cheap laser temperature gun and measure the temperature of the motor windings. I use T-Motors exclusively. So far I have seen temperatures of 100ish degrees, which is well within the T-Motor Anti Gravity motor spec. Keep in mind that the objective of the video was not to keep track of flight times, but to make sure that the increased voltage wasn't going to burn up my Phantom. So emphasis was placed on caution.
I appreciate you effort to test the props. But because you flew your copter up and down and all around. You neutralize any results you came up with. When you move the control levers it effects the amount of power drain on the batteries. And since you could not duplicate the exact flight pattern on every test, it nullifies the findings. The proper way to get a more accurate reading would have been to just lift off slowly up to about 8 to ten feet and then let go of the controls and let it just hover there till the warning light came on with each test. The further you move the control levers determine how much power it uses, therefore effecting how long you fly. But doing it indoors was a good idea, because wind would have also contributed to false readings.
Hi Will: Excellent information, and excellent video.
Dude i love your videos. And your vids are so professional. You need to upload once a week. !
luc van bentum îde
Hover times on my P1-FC40 using 9443s with a 3Ah battery goes16min, and a 4Ah goes 21min.
Response is crisp & strong with gains at 135.
Really appreciate you putting all the time into figuring this out and letting us see your results! Thanks again Will!
Thanks for the landing gear link! It would seem they offer greater stability landing on uneven terrain?
I really like the legs you have mounted to your phantom. Can you share where you purchased them??
vibration is from the prop protectors
I'm watching your video and the prop guards seem to be vibrating is some shots. Are the props making the prop guards vibrate or could the guards be a problem. Have you taken the prop guards off to see if there is any change in performance?
Thanks so much for doing all the testing. It's very helpful!
Thanks for the vid Will. Good stuff.
I guess the other stability factor is how well the motors are balanced?
Props can be balanced perfectly but an off balance motor case, will undo the time spent prop balancing.
Cheers.
when balance you could be making a roughened edge, which maybe causing the shaking being seen, use a high grit to polisg surface maybe. know it is a old video but may help others
The most honest and informative vid I have ever seen none of this my phantom flys for 18min on a stock battery as the Dji company says
Your 101% REAL
IV. TRIED
9 INCH carbon props way to much wobble
9 INCH knock off props (balanced) had to alter the gains to make it fly rite but not all that impressed.same with the wide landing gear to much wobble even if the gains are altered
My findings were
IF IT ISN'T BROKEN DONT TRY TO FIX IT
YOUR WASTING YOUR MONEY
YOURS IS A GREAT VID
Brian
London
It never ceases to amaze me how you can always find a Gem on eBay..........
A good frame will suppress jello, I do not balance props as a rule and if a prop is really badly made I just pitch it. Vibration on the quad body can tell a lot or glue stick a laser pointer on each arm and spool up motors and check the dot on a wall close to see each arms vibs. Motors are more important to be balanced.
Nice vid. I have a doubt. If I change my 8" propellers Phantom 1 for 9" propellers of Phantom 2, does it change the gains or parameters of dji assistant? My Dji Phantom weight is 1200 grs. more or less... Thanks in advance.
Where do you get the 9" composite prop guards? well a ebay search concludes this: Foxnovo-4pcs-9-inch-Enhanced-Carbon-Fiber-Propeller-Prop-Protective-Guards. will be getting those...
Will, did you change any settings on the Naza when you flew with the P2 props? The web is full of conflicting info about whether or not to do so.
Great Test! Also, where did you get your landing gear and will the fit a vision +?
Hey if you have the DJI phantom 2. Could you test if the phantom 2 flys more stable than with the phantom 2 propellers. Since i have seen many videos wheer the DJI phantom 1 is just sooooo much more stable then my phantom 2. It can be since it crashed from the prev owner and i need a new body. but i cant find one so i gotta relay on props rn.
gr8 video! a rookie question,i have a phantom 1, can i use self tighneting props of the p2?? or i have to change the motors? thanks!
U should do a phantom 1 transplant to a phantom 2 shell. I heard u can put a large 5kmah or a p2 battery in there and get 15-20 minutes
Hi,
Do you know the thread size of the DJI Phantom 2 propellers?
Thanks
Can't get to Part 2. Fixed the you.tube problem but still won't load. What's up?
Also have you had any experience with the GemFan 9443C or 9450C props? They are plastic by carbon filled and are supposed to be stiffer than normal ABS props. Appreciate any comments if you know anything about them. Thanks.
Hi,
I have a Phantom 1 ( V1.2). Can I use self-locking props? I bought some from a chinese website, called New 9443 Self Tightening Propeller Set of 4 CW / CCW DJI Phantom 2 Vision . Do you think they will work?
So happy to see new videos from you. I am not into the Phantom scene that much but I absolutely enjoy watching your videos. Production quality is top notch and I am learning about something new. Keep them coming!
EDIT: I hope you watched South Park this week and laughed....
***** No but the drone was
Hey man, what brand prop guards are they and where did you get them? Had a horrible experience with my DJI brand ones, they are waaaaay to pliable so I'd like to get a set like this.
Thanks, Will! Good to know. Great video, by the way. Your production quality far exceeds most of the how-to videos on the web and makes all your videos very enjoyable.
Great video vey informative........Can,t help but ask where did you get those cool landing legs...wow swit swoooo.....Tell me tellm me
I love this channel
hey man i just made a phantom 1 electronics into a phantom 2 shell with new motor's same kv and so i soldered on the first motor which is the back left and then i plugged everything im to test if it's spinning the right way and so then i soldered on the 2nd back right motor and also tested it then i just did the other 2 at same time and tested it and so i had to rotate the naza 180° so that the arrow will look forward and so when i put everything together and took of it just instafliped on me and i realised that the first 2 motor's i did are going into full throttle and that's what's making the flipover what do u think i should do some people told me that the drone needs to be fully calibrated with laptop do u think that will fix my problem what do u think? awesome video's btw...
u should try the 3dr tarot 2d gimbal thats what i have and it works grate b ill defiantly try geting new props
Anyone know the name or model of the aftermarket landing legs being used in the phantom drone? Thank you!
Hi Will really nice video i find this very learning because i want to buy the phantom 2 and this help me and also about the computer for video editing.Question have you already see about the the 3 blades prop i seem to very stable but this will have negative on the power time what do you think? i am waiting the next video ;-)
@20:03 and @20:10 you said your props hit a table or something and they chipped. So why have extra weight in prop guards if they don't do it's job
Thank you for the video! Entertaining and instructional as always:)
A quick note regarding your balancing of the props, especially the carbon fiber ones. You probably already know this, but be careful when sanding or otherwise alter carbon fiber, as pure carbon(which it essentially is) is quite hazardous. Always wear a mask and do your work in a well ventilated area.
Thanks for your effort for making these series of video, really appreciate that!
By understanding a few basic characteristics, you can predict these results and even model them with eCalc. ecalc.ch/xcoptercalc.php?ecalc&lang=en First, the bigger props are more efficient so a 9.4 inch will almost always out preform a 8 inch. Secondly, less aggressive pitches are more efficient so a 4.3 will beat a 4.6 but have slightly less lift and response. The reason carbon fiber is snappier and but less efficient is because of the lack of flexing. Since they don't flex as much they carry a slightly higher pitch than an equivalent plastic prop which will mean more response but slightly less time. I'm not sure if a 10in prop will fit on a phantom with out hitting blades but if so, a 1038 or 10"x3.8" prop should give you the longest flight time of any of your configurations. The right size and pitch has more to do with efficiency than brand and composition. :-)
the shaking is the prop guards oscillating in the prop wash
any updates on what props you can recommend at this point in time?
I want to know where you found them single rod landing gears, those are the whip...
Thanks :) very helpful
I've got both the nock off 9443 and an official dji set of phantom.2 props so will be interesting to see what I get with them
Looking forward to the battery mod :)
I never knew I'd be interested in this.
where did you get the carbon fiber prop guards?
Thanks for the vid, very informative! Also, love the space that you got, is this your workshop?
Great video. I appreciate the effort and time it takes to make these type of videos. Thanks. Do you have a tip jar I can contribute to?
where did you order your carbon fiber prop guards?
l've found with a heavy phantom, stiffer props cause more wobble when landing.
I am looking into purchasing a phantom 1.2, I have a couple questions though. Does it come with a naza controller so I can hook a gimbal up to it, or do I have to upgrade it to accept a gimbal?
+Josh Powell you should be able to mount a gimbal and control the tilt angle
thank you for the video i will purchase the 94
plz tell me. I can put dji phantom 3 propeller for dji phantom 1
Dude, your Man Cave, Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of phantom v1.1 will can't fit self-tighning props due to a smaller thread on the motors.
Hey Will
Wich mic do you use to voice-over?
will the helipal 9443 fit the dji phantom 1 ?
Thank you for this great review.
Those self-tightening props with the caps on the tops can be balanced. Choose your method: 1: Drill proper sized holes in the caps for typical balancing method being careful to get the holes properly centered, of course. Use proper centerpunch tool.if necessary. 2: Drive a stout pin or needle through a piece of thin flat wood (like paneling) make sure it is vertical on x and y axes looking down on the pin. Centerpunch a small dot on the insides of blade caps if necessary, but with enough care to not damage the caps. Place props atop the pin to balance.
Great video you made! Well done!
Michael McFarland Or, buy a balancer designed for self-tightening props. They're readily available.
Nicely done!!Thank you very impressive,informative.I kept saying to myself."No way" Hope you keep at it
will get props in the video right?
Where did you get the carbon fiber prop guards
Suazzz ....apperantly they don't work, it didn't prevent the props from hitting that table.
which mode is u flying in
That editing job.
You need to get your roof fixed, bro
But damn what a nice video again dude, I loved it :)
The bigger the props the less vibratin it will create thats centrifugal force work smaller props requires higher rpm for flight so it means increase in centrifugal force
Super vid.
Subscribed.
ciao
well, no info about the prop design regarding airfoil, camber, chord etc. Are some of these just "flat" blades? You could grab some micrometers and measure the material thickness across the blades to see. And keep in mind that at 6k rpm a 9 inch prop has tips going over 160 mph... the CF material failing at that speed is no toy... and a crack in that material should be a clear warning to throw them out.
SO!! what is the best one??
Put some 1045 props on there. You will go from 6 min to 12 min+ lol. my 400 quad racer came with 8045 3d props on 1300kv 2213 motors. I installed 2213 935kv Emax motors and 1045 props. went from 6 minutes on a 2200mah 4 cell to 16 minutes. she did 85mph max. 6 minutes hover. Now she does 75mph max. 16 minutes hover. I can handle the trade off. You can run 4 cell on 2213 motors at 920kv to 950kv all day long on 1045 props. But keep the mass under 2.2lbs. On a 3 cell keep the mass under 3.9lbs. don't exceed 4.0lbs on any 2212 or 2213 the motors will burn up, PS invest in a grapheme battery. you should get way more then 6 min on your setup with one
try the new t motor 9.5x4.5 carbon nylon. they're 8 bucks on diyquadcopter,
Will, I was going to send your link to a friend of mine, but he is deaf and your video has no CC... not even the automatic one. When you post a video, if you select the language (make that a default setting) then as you post videos... TH-cam will include a CC track. (It's not great, but better than nothing.) If you have time... you can edit this track then delete the original... this way not only will deaf users be able to enjoy your video... but people can hit TRANSLATE, and view it in their native language. Thanks,
Jerry
*****
It's a LOT easier than it was... TH-cam really improved the tool. It still takes me awhile... but I think it's worth it.
Id like to see you test these again without the prop guards.
YEP - The prop guards will - pretty much - make your tests null - - Please try without the guards - I know you are inside but most fly outside and those Prop guards cause A LOT of Vibration - and even need to be balanced themselves - FOR FILMING - lose THE GUARDS AND YOUR TESTS WILL BE (REPRESENT) better accuracy - I hate those things - lol - Just a side note!!!- Thanks for the videos!! Keep up the good work!
Troy Harper I can see how they would contribute to vibration from the prop wash but I don't see how using identical guards will make much of a difference in the duration testing.
No. Dont use prop guards at all. I think
Hi, why don't you build your own?
I think you might have not adjusted the gains each time you changed prop
love it
These things normally get 20 - 25 minutes of flight time. Why only 3-5 here?
Roger Lloyd Because this video is more than two years old.
I know this is an old video, but why call just one set of props counterfeit? If all the other props have the same shape form and size as the DJI OEM, Well give or take an inch on some. Shouldn't they all be counterfeit, if they're not DJI OEM? I don't think so either. Let's just call them for what they are "aftermarket"
DJI fatone's are inherently limited on the batteries.
the reason for vibration can also be that the phantom is not balanced.
if your carbon fibre shatters like glass it's probably not carbon fibre.... the "fibre" is there so it won't shatter!... it's just modern fibre-glass!
You know.....before you go comparing and bashing other peoples products, you should really make sure your test runs are the same. You fly the thing all over the place with one set of props and then just let it hover with small corrections with others. How can you say that one set increases flying time when you only hover and say another set is bad when you are flying it all over the place with tons of twists and dives and are somehow surprised when the times are far less?
Cersearoni!
Sponsored by DJI?
Figris Tek Given that the best results were from non-DJI products, probably not.
no wounder your battery not last long look how much you have on it lol
10'' propellers?????
Thank you for the awesome video! Like you, I own and love the Phantom 1. Unlike you, I live at 5200 feet, so my Phantom 1 wouldn't even leave the ground with 9443 props. But I have good news! I went to a 14.8 (4s) battery set up with amazing result! This should be your next upgrade. With the 4s battery setup I have remounted the 9443 props and my Phantom 1 now takes flight! I haven't done flight time experiments yet, but, because of your results, I am hopeful to get my fly time up to 10, 11 or even 12 minutes.
I'm not quite the film maker you are, but here is a chronicle of my 4s battery journey. I basically went from 3s 6-minute flights to 4s 8-minute flights.
For my tests I used a Multistar 4000mAh 4s battery.
th-cam.com/video/cQofC7yxOpo/w-d-xo.html
A variable you may want to consider is motor temperature. Get yourself a cheap laser temperature gun and measure the temperature of the motor windings. I use T-Motors exclusively. So far I have seen temperatures of 100ish degrees, which is well within the T-Motor Anti Gravity motor spec.
Keep in mind that the objective of the video was not to keep track of flight times, but to make sure that the increased voltage wasn't going to burn up my Phantom. So emphasis was placed on caution.
carbon fibre that will flex.... really??
I like the cat ;)
I like you're cat. :-p
ur wobble is a poorly tuned pid controller
sent me on facebook
Your gimbal is absolutely rubbish if it cannot correct a vibration ahhaha