The Milwaulkee seems like it's the easiest to start. The 4 stroke sounds absolutely awful. A test of the 3 of them going through a bit of 6x6 hardwood would be interesting to see to see if the power or the torque means much to the cutting.
I love that you tested an electric saw. Wouldn't mind seeing more electric saws dyno tested for comparison. I've heard nothing but bad things about the Senex saw so it's nice to see that tested too.
As you stated the 5.0 battery being smaller will perform differently than the 12.0 , would be a interesting Dyno comparison of just changing the batteries.
@@thereallevel27 Indeed Adam! I have one 12.0, that I purchased on a ‘Special Buy.’ It is a huge and heavy battery, and I use it only in my Fuel blower. Don’t ever buy that thing separately, it costs too much! 👍✌
Do you think the valve train can handle more speed? I think it might just be at its limits in stock form. Notice that the torque falls off at 7000 anyway.
I remember when I got my Senix, it felt so weird to cut with🤦🏻♂️ it actually works ok but sounds like it’s not cutting. The low rpm thing throws you off. Oh the muffler is packed full! I honestly can’t believe it ran😆 This was fun Joe, thx for the tests👍🏻
Indiana Doug! Hope you’re doing well! I can only imagine what it must be like running that Senix. It sounded awful when Joe was running it. Saws are meant to be two stroke! Stay well!
@@IndianaDoug thought about picking up one of these to check it out and play with. Looking like getting a "baby" Stihl 170 for the same price might be the way to go!!!
Interesting comparison. We've been using the new Echo battery top handle, 56Volt. Seems to be pretty impressive, I'd really like to see a comparison between it and the Stihl and Husky battery top handles. It also uses the same style flippy cap as the Echo in your vid (for chain oil)
…”each has it’s place, it might be in the garbage, might be up in a tree.” LOVE IT! Very interesting indeed. That little Echo looks like a good little saw. Dyno Joe 👍✌😊
Cool video. I would think that the four stroke would be nice for a home owner saw. Someone who just putter’s around in a wood pile. With low chain speed I would think that it would take a fair bit longer to do a cut.
The results are similar to what I was guessing, though the four stroke is a bit surprising, but than again I do like my Stihl 4-mix equipment quite a lot.👍
Torque is what turns the wheels. The Senix did remarkably well without screaming to 11,000 rpms. 1.9 ft lbs thru most of the rpm range. I have the Senix 18” and I noticed it can cut well even at half throttle, but quicker at full throttle. Its a nice little saw. Does anyone know who make the engines for these saws? Id think they are outsourced.
I really like the look of those newer Echos. It's too bad they don't price them low enough to make me just on them compared to a pro Husqvarna/Stihl in my neck of the woods.
Interesting, this Milwaukee seems to be what people expect a battery saw to be, but the Stihl MSA-220 somewhat replicates a two stroke gas engines power, peak power between 9500 and 11000 rpm.
Oh great! You got a 4310! Or is it a customers? How did you get it? I'm honestly surprised it was able to het 3hp. Mine ran awful with the first tank. It still needs help in my opinion. Eager to see this project. I'll definitely port mine as well, so I will be using what you do as a baseline for what I wanna do.
The Senix sounded like it needed the carb adjusted. It couldnt quite run at full throttle. I had to adjust the valve lash on mine to get it running at peak power.
That was neat. Did you get to try anything on the 4 stroke to hot rod it? Maybe some porting, bigger carb, raise compression, I wonder if the cam could be modified for more duration. Probably not practical but might be interesting
Not sure about the Milwaukee chainsaw but I've got the 4½" grinder and it's a different animal with the 12.0 battery. The 5.0 just plain sucks. The 6.0 high output does good but doesn't last long. The 12.0 is in another league. Be interesting to see what it does for the saw.
I’d like to see what the Milwaukee has with its 12.0 battery , but speaking as a user of it , if you get the Milwaukee swap the stock bar for an 18or 20 and put .325 50 gauge chain on it the stock bar and chain work alright but it works a lot better with a proper bar and chain rather than the pico set up. Also I’d like to see what the dewalt60v (the newest model with a 20ich bar) the makita 36 or 40v ( they’re the same saw just one runs off a single battery) and the husky and echo electrics have on tap
The Senix probably would have done better if you tuned it up first. Never trust the tune right out of the box. It clearly didn't sound like it was running 100%.
@@frankz1125 The 2** series huskies and 20** series johnsered saws were different designs. the 3** and 21** series saws you could build a red and orange Frankenstein if you wanted to.
@@frankz1125 I just meant that the jonsered 2041 has jonsered internals and the newer jonsereds are more compatible with husqvarnas with parts being almost interchangeable.
I guess i dont understand the 4 stroke. How does it lubricate? Does it have a tiny little belly pan full of oil? Can you run it sideways to fell a tree?
If enough people come together and refused to buy their 4-stroke and electric crap they’ll figure out a way to keep 2 stroke around. In fact, that’s probably why it’s still here today. Don’t tell me that idea wouldn’t work either. Look at the 2 stroke snowmobile market.
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The Milwaulkee seems like it's the easiest to start. The 4 stroke sounds absolutely awful.
A test of the 3 of them going through a bit of 6x6 hardwood would be interesting to see to see if the power or the torque means much to the cutting.
Indeed Alan! 👍
I love it, "Every one of these has its place might be in the garbage might be up in a tree". Best line ever!!! Thanks for the laugh 😂😂
Pound for pound it's awfully hard to be a well-tuned and ported two-stroke.
"at"... What is awfully hard is to be a battery powered saw user off grid 😂
The 2stroke was the lighest of em all.
I love that you tested an electric saw. Wouldn't mind seeing more electric saws dyno tested for comparison. I've heard nothing but bad things about the Senex saw so it's nice to see that tested too.
As you stated the 5.0 battery being smaller will perform differently than the 12.0 , would be a interesting Dyno comparison of just changing the batteries.
I'd like to see that comparison!
The battery costs more than some saws
@@thereallevel27 That's the truth right there. The good thing is you can use them on so many different tools, but yeah not cheap.
@@thereallevel27 Indeed Adam! I have one 12.0, that I purchased on a ‘Special Buy.’ It is a huge and heavy battery, and I use it only in my Fuel blower. Don’t ever buy that thing separately, it costs too much! 👍✌
@@Andyshine77 Indeed! I stuck it on my Surge impact, just for fun, and it was ridiculous. It would probably run for a year! 😂👍✌
Interesting to see a 4 cycle saw!
Need to see the 4stroke cutting wood before you modify it. Cheers.
I will see what I can do.
Do you think the valve train can handle more speed? I think it might just be at its limits in stock form. Notice that the torque falls off at 7000 anyway.
I remember when I got my Senix, it felt so weird to cut with🤦🏻♂️ it actually works ok but sounds like it’s not cutting. The low rpm thing throws you off. Oh the muffler is packed full! I honestly can’t believe it ran😆 This was fun Joe, thx for the tests👍🏻
Hopefully it has some gains hidden in it..
Indiana Doug! Hope you’re doing well! I can only imagine what it must be like running that Senix. It sounded awful when Joe was running it. Saws are meant to be two stroke! Stay well!
How is your Senix doing long term? Have you opened up the muffler?
Thinking of picking one up and looking for honest reviews.
@@barrygolden9823 it still runs. I tried to open the muffler up and they screw heads stripped bc it’s so cheap🤣
@@IndianaDoug thought about picking up one of these to check it out and play with. Looking like getting a "baby" Stihl 170 for the same price might be the way to go!!!
Love the content. This channel is going to blow up.
Thanks for the video Joe.
Interesting comparison.
We've been using the new Echo battery top handle, 56Volt. Seems to be pretty impressive, I'd really like to see a comparison between it and the Stihl and Husky battery top handles. It also uses the same style flippy cap as the Echo in your vid (for chain oil)
Super cool chart ! Thanks for sharing. Really interested to see what the 4 stroke can do modified
…”each has it’s place, it might be in the garbage, might be up in a tree.” LOVE IT!
Very interesting indeed. That little Echo looks like a good little saw. Dyno Joe 👍✌😊
Very cool breakdown 👌
It's gonna be cool to see what you do with the 4 stroke. 💪😁👍
Can't be 2 stroke for power to weight ratio, twice as light and way more power vs same cc 4 stroke
You can use husky flip caps on the echo saws.small caps for 2511t and larger caps for the others
This is interesting thank you!!!
Cool video Joe
Cool video. I would think that the four stroke would be nice for a home owner saw. Someone who just putter’s around in a wood pile. With low chain speed I would think that it would take a fair bit longer to do a cut.
Neat 4310 love it.
The results are similar to what I was guessing, though the four stroke is a bit surprising, but than again I do like my Stihl 4-mix equipment quite a lot.👍
Very interesting. 👍
Nice broad torque curve for the senix
Echo eccs 58V is one of the best battery chainsaw
Have one, can confirm it's a beast of a saw.
Torque is what turns the wheels. The Senix did remarkably well without screaming to 11,000 rpms. 1.9 ft lbs thru most of the rpm range. I have the Senix 18” and I noticed it can cut well even at half throttle, but quicker at full throttle. Its a nice little saw. Does anyone know who make the engines for these saws? Id think they are outsourced.
I really like the look of those newer Echos. It's too bad they don't price them low enough to make me just on them compared to a pro Husqvarna/Stihl in my neck of the woods.
Is that senix saw capable of cutting in any orientation or will it starve itself of oil?
It says it can cut in any position. I will have to read the manual and see if it says anything
Interesting vid Joe.
Like Alan H said. Test cut with them.
Will try and get some cuts made.
Interesting, this Milwaukee seems to be what people expect a battery saw to be, but the Stihl MSA-220 somewhat replicates a two stroke gas engines power, peak power between 9500 and 11000 rpm.
Oh great! You got a 4310! Or is it a customers? How did you get it? I'm honestly surprised it was able to het 3hp. Mine ran awful with the first tank. It still needs help in my opinion. Eager to see this project. I'll definitely port mine as well, so I will be using what you do as a baseline for what I wanna do.
Managed to get one shipped over. So that means echo will release them here for half price of what we paid lol
The Senix sounded like it needed the carb adjusted. It couldnt quite run at full throttle. I had to adjust the valve lash on mine to get it running at peak power.
The senix was way rich on the high speed. Mine sounded like that right out of the box and the fuel on the high needed to be dailed back.
That was neat. Did you get to try anything on the 4 stroke to hot rod it? Maybe some porting, bigger carb, raise compression, I wonder if the cam could be modified for more duration. Probably not practical but might be interesting
Not sure about the Milwaukee chainsaw but I've got the 4½" grinder and it's a different animal with the 12.0 battery.
The 5.0 just plain sucks. The 6.0 high output does good but doesn't last long. The 12.0 is in another league. Be interesting to see what it does for the saw.
Don't tell me you don't look for the choke or a primer on that Milwaukee once in a while haha
Hi Joe
Are the drive sprockets all the same number of teeth on the 3 saws ?
6t on the electric and 4 stroke, 7t on the echo. But the ratios are all corrected for in the software.
I’d like to see what the Milwaukee has with its 12.0 battery , but speaking as a user of it , if you get the Milwaukee swap the stock bar for an 18or 20 and put .325 50 gauge chain on it the stock bar and chain work alright but it works a lot better with a proper bar and chain rather than the pico set up. Also I’d like to see what the dewalt60v (the newest model with a 20ich bar) the makita 36 or 40v ( they’re the same saw just one runs off a single battery) and the husky and echo electrics have on tap
Hey Joe, did you end up playing around with that Senix?
Be interested in seeing if you can get it going
The Milwaukee really needs a bigger battery. They'll work with the 5 Ah but it's a whole other saw with the 12 Ah ho.
I'll have to get one ordered.
@@dynojoemods2764 cool can't wait to see it. Great work man
Interesting, I want one of those 4310SX's though. Is that Boedy's?
No, this one is mine, I had been looking for a long time, finally found one. Way too expensive for what they are. But it was a "want"...
I’d love to have one as well lol i can’t find where to get one at though
test the stihl msa 300c
please
thanks
Just out of curiosity what octane did you put in the 4 stroke ?
The Senix probably would have done better if you tuned it up first. Never trust the tune right out of the box. It clearly didn't sound like it was running 100%.
Any updates on the Senix?
No, sorry that one is way on the back burner.
I think Id rather my Jonsered 2041 out out this line up. Would like to see which is better between the echo and jonsered. Cheers
Maybe add in the Husqvarna 242xp as my preferred saw in that small cc class.
@@modarkthemauler I haven't tried one . I believe the jonsered has Husky internals
@@frankz1125 The 2** series huskies and 20** series johnsered saws were different designs. the 3** and 21** series saws you could build a red and orange Frankenstein if you wanted to.
@@modarkthemauler I'd prefer to keep my 2041 stock. It is my favorite small saw. Works well but it's hard to find the plastics when something breaks.
@@frankz1125 I just meant that the jonsered 2041 has jonsered internals and the newer jonsereds are more compatible with husqvarnas with parts being almost interchangeable.
echo smoked them in cutting on time 👌🏻 least peak torque but most peak hp and widest peak power 👉🏻mismatch 😎👌🏻☕️
I guess i dont understand the 4 stroke. How does it lubricate? Does it have a tiny little belly pan full of oil? Can you run it sideways to fell a tree?
I does have a small crankcase that holds oil. It is supposed to be able to run all positions
Hard to beat a 2 stroke
The Senix did realy sound bad.
If enough people come together and refused to buy their 4-stroke and electric crap they’ll figure out a way to keep 2 stroke around. In fact, that’s probably why it’s still here today. Don’t tell me that idea wouldn’t work either. Look at the 2 stroke snowmobile market.
I nearly vomited a little.
I'm glad you could stomach it... Those "other" saws sure are something.
The 4 stroke is running too rich. You can hear it. I have a Senix and it revs higher than yours.