Fatal Crash During Desperate Second Landing Attempt
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- Listen to the chilling ATC audio as Canadair Challenger 601, registration N115WF, faces a tragic landing accident at Aspen-Pitkin County Airport (ASE). The jet, which had substantial damage and came to rest upside down on runway 15, broke its right wing and caught fire. With three people on board, the Pitkin County Sheriff’s Office reported one fatality, one person with major to severe injuries, and another with minor to moderate injuries.
Flightaware data shows the aircraft arrived at Tucson International Airport (TUS) from Toluca, Mexico, at 08:47 MST. It departed for Aspen at 10:04 MST. During its approach at around 12:10, N115WF executed a missed approach due to severe weather conditions: 'Missed approach November one one five Whiskey Fox... Thirty-three knots of tailwind.' Other flights also reported low-level windshear and wind gains of 5-20 knots on approach.
Experience the critical moments leading up to the crash through the actual audio from Aspen Tower frequency.
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Aspen is one of the most hated airports in the industry and with good reason. Thankfully, my employer has absolute hard and fast rules about acceptable winds. A good friend of mind was sitting in the cockpit prepping his jet for departure and watched the entire incident. We talked for more than an hour the day after and I know how much it affected him. He retired less than 6 months later.
I heard a clip of I think San Francisco controller giving a German pilot crap about not being able to land with a tailwind, which really pissed them off. America cares about safety, as long as it doesn’t cause any inefficiency that cuts into profit. Look at all the line up and wait incidents of late, and planes cleared to cross runways while a plane is taking off. All in the name of throughput. And that is always masked when pilots avoid the dangers, and even in accident reports where the blame is almost always going to be put on the crew and pilot “in charge.”
Retirement not required if pilot hasGOOD judgement. “ when in doubt don’t”
WOW! 300 % times the no go aircraft controllability on downwind landing
Can’t believe it’s been 10 years since I’d seen this crash video. Reminded me that KASE was the airport that used to give me the highest heart rate shooting the approach when the wx was at mins. And the gpws screaming “terrain, pull up” on the missed makes me glad to be home with the blanket over my lap tonight.
A good pilot knows when to stay home with a blanket on his lap…
25 Kt X wind? In a Challenger? Cripes, no wonder...
In europe they'd simply close the airport above a predetermined wind value.
Like La Molê in Saint Tropez France.
Never happen at Aspen, the multimillionaire types need to post their Facebook pictures of their fabulous ski vacations.
“Wind 320, 12 gusts, 25, runway 15 cleared to land”
When was their spidy sense going to kick in? Way out of limits
2:09 the unintelligible is the pilot joking about his medical running out before he gets to depart.
Helps to consider who/what flies into Aspen. Can't have the rich and famous miss out on their hobnobbing and apres ski times. Land or be fired! Didn't Rod Machado have a limerick to this extent in his instrument flight book? Can't check as it's packed away due to moving. That said, this is kind of chilling from the investigation report: " Neither flight crew member would have met the minimum flight time requirement of 25 hours to act as pilot-in-command under Part 135." 😱 Did they choose to fly despite this, or were they told to fly despite this?
As a former airline pilot and present CFI who has been flying since 1995,
... this 2014 accident still yields a sinking feeling in my stomach.
Windshear is no fun, as one who has had two close calls.
Despite no PIREPs, convective SIGMET, or SIGMET, windshear can really happen fast, with no warning..
Two questions -
Pilots - With a PIREP of windshear, and a tailwind, why did the pilots accept the landing clearance?
ATC - Same situation: Why was landing clearance given post a windshear report...and with a tailwind, and gusts?
How could this not lead to an unstable approach?
DEI
@@user-dc6mg2rk8p Hmmm...perhaps DEI, perhaps not.
All humans make mistakes.
RIP, but its at least arguable that pilots contributed to this tragedy by accepting the landing clearance.
Remember,
Obama was race hiring Air Traffic Controllers.
Endangering my life, and the lives of the public, and my student pilots.
Trump ended this vile bigotry.
I think wind shear on the approach is pretty common at ASE. But if my mental gymnastics are correct an increasing airspeed wind shear is a performance increasing event leading an airplane to go high during the approach. Iirc, the approach takes you down to pretty high vfr minimums so the landing should be with fairly high vfr minimums. This is not an approach to low ifr minimums.
@@user-dc6mg2rk8p Hmmm...please let me know if you saw my reply. It's been removed. Why?
Perhaps due to my factual comment about Obama race hiring Air Traffic Controllers, and that Trump ended this dangerous racism?
@@user-dc6mg2rk8p, are you saying that the controllers were not qualified? Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion is simply a means to right long held systemic wrongs. It doesn’t mean hiring unqualified people. But I guess that doesn’t fit into your MAGA talking point.
Very sad reading that the CA and FO were brothers. Imagine living with the guilt that your brother died becuase of your actions.
Aspen is one way airport landing south takeoff north 15/33
Mabe in such "extreme" wx conditions then ATC should be closing the airport in the interest of saving lives, and the pilots fly to their alternates.
@@josephcovino9697If the weather is unsafe the pilots are welcome to decide to divert themselves.
@@josephcovino9697yes let’s blame atc for everything. Amazing take
@@josephcovino9697There are minimums that are published. It's up to each individual pilot to respect them and their lives. Flying is extremely safe when done correctly. When steps are skipped, rules are broken, or limits are pushed, it becomes unsafe real quick. This pilot knew he had a varying cross-wind/tail-wind of 25-30 mph. He knows that speed can't magically disappear. He can't force the plane down. Physics can't be beat.
First bounce hit full power go around. But who knows that might have not helped that hard hit.
Landing with a tailwind greater than the limits set forth in the AFM is tempting fate.
How others landed with those tail winds brings about many questions.
Never understood how the FAA approves the ops in Aspen. If one can be on the approach inbound, and inside the FAF, while another is taking off then why isn’t this trick used in other busy airports? 🤔🤔🤔
Was there no acceptable approach available to 33? Why are we landing 15 with an insane tailwind?
Runway 33 was not an option for high terrain
@@Flight_Follower point is why are they trying to land at all? DIVERT. Don’t push the limits. Don’t drive outside the envelope the plane clearly documents in its handbook. But pilots often think they’re invincible and can handle anything, even if it’s something they’ve never encountered before. Overconfidence kills. Lack of fear kills.
Exactly.. COMPLACENCY KILLS
@@Flight_FollowerHmmmmm…. I wonder why they put 14,000 foot peaks up-valley? We watched a 421 depart 15 up-valley once. He made it. Don’t know how he made it.
I’ve been in lots of airplanes never come close to a crash but I fell out or was pushed out of several big airplanes and number of times against my better judgment. May they rest in peace
'winds here' 😂😂😂😂
how the heck does a helicopter nose dive?
Flying into Aspen with a Falcon 900EX, I shot the missed due to winds more times than I could count. I think I could draw it on paper from memory.
It’s an unforgiving and demanding approach, no matter what is flown in. Not for the novice.
I get why some pilots would want to do this. I have no idea why any passenger would.
The pilot didnt sound on his game.
Scene right out of the movie Airplane.
Why is he landing on 15 and not 33?
www.aviationpros.com/airports/article/53078029/why-aspen-airport-challenges-even-the-most-seasoned-pilots
EXACTLY???
I’ve been there once in a Citation 650 and that was years ago. I remember a high tailwind on the approach with multiple step downs which were challenging to follow. Bottom line, ASE is a 1 way airport due to terrain. Land on 15 and depart on 33. Or that’s what I recall.
Yeah you can analyse the approach chart that pops up during the video.. because of the high terrain i don’t think runway 33 was ever an option
Aspen is one way in, one way out. Land 15, depart 33.
5:28 Make no sense at all, they cleared another aircraft to taxi for departure Runway 33 while they cleared the landing on Runway 15 in the same time and the same weather report, both tower and pilots are equally at fault.
He was told to taxi via 33 to run up area for departure.
You got the call wrong. He said taxi to runway 33 via A (the road to take) and hold short (stop short of the runway).
As has been pointed out in other replies, this would be a common practice here. Because of high terrain, aircraft land on 15 and depart 33.
Aspen doesn’t forgive
No ATC controller even tells a pilot he must land on a runway with a significant tailwind. As a commercial pilot, you of all all people should know that the pilot in command of his aircraft is
Obviously the pilot forgot that the pilot is first to arrive at the scene of the accident, xs tailwind.
Just wondering why the pilot didn’t refuse the approach. I would have. Also, the pilot sounded quite insecure and didn’t use proper language…. What ever the hell was going on there??? Pilot under the influence????
I don’t think you quite grasp what the problem was. You probably don’t get to your destination much refusing good approaches.
Flew over 40 years as Commercial pilot, retired now so I wasn't expecting to get so upset sitting here having my coffee this morning watching one person losing their life and other two ruined. I got upset because I have noticed in the last couple years ATC instructing aircraft to land on runways with significant tailwinds, which wasn't the norm in the past. I had the thought now could this possibly be in areas of severe "wokeness" and airports are bending to pressures of home owner associations on which runways to use? And should the NTSB have ruled the cause of the accident the fault of the airport which was practicing landing procedures contrary to what pilots are trained to do and contrary to the laws of physics and flight. CFIAM JOE. Lake Havasu, Arizona.
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It went like this "look a mountain" reply " hell no, you're woke"
All you have to say is "unable". I've been on a wide body jet and had to depart opposite directions to the flow due to tailwind. Yes, I took a few minutes of delay, but ATC can work with you when you say you need something due to "performance reasons".
WTH(that stands for “What The Hell)does wokeness have to do with the age old fight between residents and the airport they moved close to. Complaints about airport noise far out dates “wokeness.” You should keep your MAGA views to yourself, especially in light of the tragedy that occurred.
ATPL from early 80's, likewise now retired, but I reckon the root of these tragedies lie in inadequate training...
The number of power-on stalls, CFIT, Runway overruns , loss of control in IMC and the like are now a daily fact...
Something ain't right............
It sounds like the controllers had their plan and were sticking to it no matter what the change in conditions dictated. It's almost like they were playing a game rather dealing with reality.
I never would have accepted ry 15 for takeoff or landing. Why was atc continuing to use ry 15?? The fault of this accident is the tower and the pilots accepting ry15.
Because there isn't an instrument approach to runway 33 because of terrain.
Are you a pilot? Wouldn’t you be able to figure out this puzzle?
DEI strikes again.