Bonanza N19MT | Engine Failure and Fatal Crash near Westchester County
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- 19/JAN/2023
Beech B36 Bonanza performing flight from New York to Cleveland was climbing when the pilot reported problems with the engine and oil pressure dropping and would need to divert to Westchester County Airport.
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So sad today. That ATC tried everything for him. Leave your condolences here.
Sad when you know the outcome ahead of time, but even more sad and shocking when you hear it and didn't know. I didn't see fatal until the end! Sad, sad, sad. Praying for the deceased loved ones' and I hope the pilot felt okay in the end, knowing he died doing what he loved. You never know when your time is up, none of us is promised a tomorrow let alone next 5 minutes with the billion ways to die. I almost died the other night when I was hit by an elderly man on my e-bike and the driver didn't even help me up out of the roadway or exit his SUV to check on me, he didn't even crack his window to ask me if I was okay, I had forgotten my cell phone and nobody would call 911 and nobody helped me, so the man whose about 85 years old tries to flee the scene and I got more injured blocking his escape route and yelling at the top of my lungs for anyone to help and or call 911, call the Police he hit me on my bicycle and he's fleeing, but long story short he hit me off my bike and I and said bike got trapped between the ground and his car/underneath of the front of his car. So his hood made contact with my right shoulder and I landed on my left side and was trapped between the e-bike that weighs 170lbs and the 4000lbs vehicle in the middle of Ortega Highway/Del Obispo where cars do 50-60mph all day long, and that is the roadway where I landed and could've been ran over a secondary time due to traffic. Thankfully I am alive, the old man hopefully will never drive again and hopefully in the end I get what I deserve for missing work, missing family events and all of the pain and suffering I am going through now. Dr's say I have a few months of physical therapy and tests/scans, etc.,,etc.! So pray for me if you are a believer, as I also have another health problem unrelated and it's fatal and won't get better, but I am okay with my fate. I just hope I get to die in peace or at least not suffering for too long. You never know though, when your time has come is or is about to come, it always comes like a thief in the night. Expect the unexpected and always maintain you spiritual and emotional fitness, so if you do end up in a spot like this pilot or many other's like myself, you better be right with God and family, don't wait until it's too late to patch up broken relationships, forgiveness, etc., etc.! Do it now~ so you'll be good if this ever comes your way...remember this video or what I've said. Nobody wants to die with regrets or unfinished business! So always tell those you love that they matter to you!
Heartily sad for them.
My Deepest Condolences to all.
RIP
So sad. Fly high captain. Thoughts are with family and friends.
RIP, ATC tried his best.
ATC did a great job. Sad the pilot did not make it. ATC went above and beyond early on, giving the pilot options and suggestions. Whoever the controller was, deserves recognition for doing so much to help that pilot.
This would be a great learning clip for future ATC. What you should do, and a question about what else one could do.
NY center 132.750
Could only hope I had that controller in an emergency. Condolences to pilot and family. Hands out to the ATC'ers
Such a great job by the Atc...
He's been a controller for a long time. I hear his voice all the time on NY. And yes, he is very good.
KCGF controller here- 19MT is based out of our airport and I talked to it almost on the daily. Never thought I’d see the day where a plane so close to home would be featured on VAS like this. Breaks my heart to absolute pieces hearing a familiar voice on the radio. RIP to those two men and many thoughts and prayers to the families that they may find peace. 😔
What was the weather like at his point of departure?
@@Тольяттинец-н6ъ it was rainy and foggy that day
I flew this plane regularly from there, hits different when it’s close to home. Thanks for your great work up @cgf tower, always enjoy working with you guys.
One of my guys was working on 684 when this happened. The Hasidic community once they learned it was one of them on sent so many resources
Such a kind and good man who gave so much to our Cleveland area.
This really has me rethinking flying a single in IFR with low bases. Time to reset personal mins. Thanks for the video. Praying for the families and the controller.
With you on that. I’ve only been in hard imc once and I kept thinking “if my engine fails, we’re gone”. Luckily that didn’t happen……
One month out from IR ride and the more time I get in the clouds the more respect I have for how quickly unforgiving a situation can get. Horrific to listen to the audio, RIP to all aboard.
@@crazy4gta1 I am about to go on my IR CR and I don't think I ever want to be in that position. I'm sticking to day time VFR only.
Studying for the IR written now. Doubt I'll ever choose to fly in hard IFR. Just want to get through for VFR on top to break out of overcast skies on long trips and get back to VFR.
@@seanmurphy9632 Understanding weather is paramount, and that it can change quickly. Always give yourself an option, on getting back to better weather. I know what you mean about on top, then through clouds to a high ceiling and good visibility. BUT, that doesn’t always work out, so you need to be ready and proficient to break out at 300 and 1/2-on localizer and on glide path. This especially, if the shit hits the fan; ie engine troubles. If you can’t do the above, set your personal minimums to special VFR or above. Dave, 28,000 accident free hours😉
Man thats tough for ATC hope he gets the support he needs , RIP to both airborne forever. Pilot sounded to be aviating till the end🙏
Its making me teary eyed. ATC your vectors and comms were 5x5
@@pootthatbak2578 I agree. Sad outcome, but good job controller. Definately 5X5.
Utterly professional ATC. Thank you for all you do for GA pilots. ❤
ATC here. After an event like this in the US we are able to take up to about 5 weeks off to receive mental health counseling with no loss of pay.
@@Jmjbs 5 weeks off work because somebody died in an auto accident? That's rediculous! I am a firefighter and I've seen just about every kind of death. Get done, go back to work. I'm in a very rural area, I can't even imagine what some of those big city fire-EMS-police-hospitals-coroners deal with! People are so out of touch with reality these days. They can't even deal with the most basic part of life. Death.
RIP. The ATC is a genuine hero. Nothing more saddening than the phrase “radar contact lost”. Breaks my heart every time I hear it. Peace be with them all.
Tbf I think they often lose radar contact simply when altitude goes too low (somewhere under 1000 ft or thereabouts) and not necessarily as a direct consequence of ground impact. Presumably it depends on the range to the aircraft and the terrain and so forth.
But anyway, all my nitpicking aside, it’s often one of the last chilling things you hear in these crash situations, so I totally get you. Feels bad man.
So close. If ATC asks you if you want to land and check it out, always say yes. And if they ask if you are declaring an emergency they are telling you it is an emergency whether you think so or not. Trust the experts. The passenger called home as they were trying to get in for the landing and told his family what was happening. Extremely tough for both families.
That make a whole lot of sense since the pilot can get tunnel vision from the adrenaline. Some can take it. Sometimes, the person can tolerate, but, other time, it just him/her and only him/her.
While listening to the pilot, I sense that he was having tunnel vision.
a. he reported the serious malfunction
b. he used emergency too sparingly
c. he delayed communication.
But, still, he is a brave pilot and should earn his wing among the sky.
What a horrible call to get! I don't know what I would do if I got a call like that! 😢💜🙏
@@juliemanarin4127 Talking to a loved one while they crash and die.
Oh My God
If your plane can't climb, can't accelerate, and/or isn't responding properly to throttle inputs, it _IS_ an emergency! How soon you _recognize_ that may well determine whether you survive.
Yeah, one of the sad lessons from this is engine troubleshooting is best done on the ground. The time he wasted wondering why his plane was unable to climb was time he desperately needed to get it on the ground.
thats a nearly impossible scenario, engine failure in hard IMC conditions. the passenger was texting his goodbyes. I feel for that tracon controller as well. you could hear the emotion in his voice trying to talk that guy down. we all have had our moments with atc st some point. You cannot doubt, even with the outcome, that controller is a bona fide hero
Where you got the info that the passenger was texting good byes ?
@@killadocg23 multiple news stories
@@killadocg23 They had a big article about just that in the Daily Mail about a week ago.
Not impossible. But definitely not easy. Pilot was clearly disoriented and probably very tense due to the nature of the emergency in IMC. This is why it’s best to practice these situations in a realistic way, flying ILS to unfamiliar airports. Now had he been out in the middle of nowhere with no precision approaches in 20 mile radius, 300 ft bases, say only a nearby NDB, that would beyond difficult and stressful, and I would say beyond the average GA pilot’s proficiency level.
I really like how the other pilots kept communication as short as possible and how the tower kept giving information; know the pilot might have only been able to aviate. Sad for the loss of pilot and passenger.
Pilot was Close friend of mine he was a really special person a good hearted caring individual with a beautiful family he was also an experienced and cautious pilot unfortunately goes to show that it can even happen to the best of us when the real controller of this world wants us back.
I am so sorry for your loss.
I am so sorry.
My condolences
Considering he was convicted of pedo activity, not sure he's such a nice guy.
Dang it Man, sounds like the world loss some good people, so sorry😢
If I ever get into trouble, I want this ATC on the radio
That's what this controller needs to hear right now! Me too!
Same. The pilot would have made it if he wasn’t so far behind in the cockpit. My guess is auditory exclusion was occurring. The pilot had plenty of altitude to reprogram his gps and set up an emergency approach but just didn’t know how to do it fast enough. By then it was too late and he was flying blind while also disregarding the instructions.
Reasons you should land for safety reasons checklist:
-Something doesn't feel right
-You don't know why your airplane is not performing properly
- You are not comfortable changing routes
This flight definitely ticks all of those boxes
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Even so it went downhill fast. I wonder if ils for 34 was available and if it was worth a try vs going around without oil pressure
Either that or not being vectored above the airport, but trying the approach joining in from the west, maybe that could’ve saved them enough time to reach the airport. We will never know sadly
Good point, but it's also a good idea to level off and do a quick check and try to figure things out which is what he did, maybe could have do it sooner.
This works best when you hv many hours on type. Not sure this was the case. It could take a bit longer to realize. Did i see the engine monitor hidden away far from the pilot ? That could be a factor. Also, i really feel the FAA is doing a disservice by keeping things antiquated. We are 2023 this airplane should hv a 'follow the boxes' avionics available at no more cost. Same issue killed Kobe.
You could hear the compassion and absolute anguish in the controller's voice. He did everything he could to get the pilot and his passenger down safely. He should be hailed as a hero.
And condolences to the families of those who were lost. May they rest in peace!
That guy was really on top of things.
People like him are freaking awesome. Laser-focused when problems come up, and really looking out for the people around them.
While I've never had anyone's lives possibly depending on me like this, I know what it feels like to take that specific kind of ownership over a situation to help someone, and it's genuine empathy that drives it.
And what guides it-with this level of competence is almost always a commitment to strong values and high personal standards.
This ATC guy is one of the people who makes the civilized world what it is-one if the real builders of society.
Like others have already said, the controller did an absolutely phenomenal job of helping the pilot in every possible way. Not only did he provide great service, he also used a calm and reassuring voice indicating to the pilot that they were going to make this work together. Unfortunately the weather really complicated the situation, and as a result brought the most tragic of outcomes. Hopefully a lot of GA pilots will take this as a learning experience, and never hesitate to declare an emergency, ESPECIALLY when the weather is hard IFR. Just in case pilots think declaring an emergency creates a ton of paperwork, don’t even worry about that, ATC is there to help you get on the ground safely. Your life and your passenger’s life is more important than anything else.
i'm still trying to find the lesson in this. Yes, declare emergency sooner, but this wasn't a case of totally neglecting to declare an emergency, and it isn't clear if declaring sooner could have made a difference. Another thing could be planning ahead and holding personal minimums for enroute airports, but this seems like one of those cases where they did almost everything they could and just got unlucky, and that makes it incredible scary.
That's a great point about GA pilots declaring emergency. That hesitancy almost cost me dearly but I got lucky. In 2015, I was flying a Cherokee 160 west from Long Island, NY to the Hudson/Statue of Liberty. As I passed abeam JFK under Bravo (
@@adityanair5613 not necessarily saying that the pilot didn’t declare an emergency early enough, more so that there are pilots that might feel hesitant to declare an emergency because they think it might not be that serious and that the situation might just work itself out. Every situation is obviously different, but combine low IFR conditions with an airplane that’s not handling the way it’s supposed to, and things can get out of hand real quick. I think everyone here did the best they could in this horrible situation, and had the clouds been only 500 ft higher, they might’ve been able to get it down on the runway.
@@EricOrange99 I’m glad it worked out for you, and this is how we usually learn, from experience. ATC will always go above and beyond to make sure an emergency gets all the possible help they can get, and assist in any way possible.
He'll be filing that paperwork in heaven now
RIP to Pilot and Passenger. Great work by ATC. Even trying to give him a semi-ASR type approach to get him to the runway as quick as possible. As a CFI-I in the NJ/NY area this video is one to send to all my students
I'm an aviation enthusiast who wants to get a PPL one day, what lessons could be learned from this, I couldn't see what the pilot did wrong here ? Didn't estimate if he couldn't make it to the runway or not ? If anyone can offer any insight that would be great, thanks.
@@dzgeek1078 following
@@dzgeek1078 divert earlier. Not when it's already too late. Don't have the normal climb power? Get that airplane to the ground as quickly as possible
@@dzgeek1078 single engine Piston, at night, low IFR, low visibility, close to minimums for every approach in the New York area for a Cat B aircraft. The decision starts on the ground. I always say ‘If my engine fails climbing to cruise, can I easily get back into the airport with these IFR Conditions?’ Risk management decision making played a key role in this flight. Also the decision to not declare an emergency immediately and divert played a factor. There is so much to digest here and it’s not anyone’s place to Monday morning QB it. That’s what the NTSB is there for.
@@Gruner1994 thanks for your reply
I’ve been in that situation twice in my career, made the airport both times, IFR at night. Kudos to the controller. Neither he nor the pilot ever gave up. Tragic. They deserved better.
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Lawrence..does it sound like
the pilot should have declared a few minutes sooner? Not climbing seemed to indicate major issues
@@pootthatbak2578 you can never go wrong with declaring an emergency as a precaution and turning to the airport immediately to land. But also, none of us saw what this pilot saw and experienced so it’s easy to say that after the fact. RIP.
@@pootthatbak2578 it could also be a "dumb" mistake, or something else that could be rectified in-flight. It sounded like he chose to go ahead and level off so he could investigate, and pretty promptly came back with it being a dead cylinder. We'll never know why he chose not to declare an emergency then, but I don't think it would've changed the outcome anyway.
It does seem strange that he waited until 6000 feet to start investigating, although I don't know what his power/rate of climb was like before then of course.
Yes...both excellent...so very sad
I disagree. This is not being insensitive, but the pilot underestimated partial engine failure, which especially in these meteorological condition would be immediate landing for me, no hesitation.
This could have been prevented if he would not ignore engine failure.
Some of the best ATC I've ever heard, it had a tragic outcome but it wasn't for lack of effort. RIP.
As a former Boston controller I can attest to the fantastic job this controller did, an example to all
Are you an engineer?
Truly heartbreaking to hear the airline pilots wishing the controller good luck...they knew how bad the conditions were and you could tell they knew how difficult that was going to be for both pilot and ATC. Tragic =(
Controller was very helpful, providing instructions at the end after pilot indicated he couldn't see much, he really tried...so sad..tragic situation :/
They were so close. May they rest in peace. My thoughts go out to their family and friends.
They were working really well together. I hope ATC will get through and continue his good work as he's an asset to those in the sky. RIP to those who lost their lives. ♡
Knowing the outcome the minute he stated loosing oil pressure I was in tears. God this ATC is a HERO
Lack of normal performance = land and figure it out.
When the ATC asks if you want to declare emergency, you should have declared already.
ATC Knows, i freaked when the pilot said he would work it out..im worried he overshot a bit, near final and turned too steep, lost altitude because of incorrect rudder
That's what I thought. Is there some penalty for declaring an emergency if things turn out okay? Why did he hesitate to declare?
No there’s not.
@@stevenbeach748 Maybe some questions on the phone, forms to fill out. It is not to be taken lightly. But in cases such as this, declare an emergency. 19MT also put out a Mayday Mayday Mayday.
@@MrTruckerf forms and phone calls are not a penalty.
Pilot is a friend of friends. This feels very close to home. Tearing up right now listening to this last conversation... So sad.
Amazing ATC work and guidance.
To the controller…. Thank you for doing an amazing job. It’s controllers like you that give your profession the respect it deserves.
Tough to listen too. ATC was superb. Amazed how incredibly calm the pilot appeared to be throughout. So sad he didn't make it.
Sometimes you do everything right and it ends in death. Others have done everything wrong and never even damaged their plane. You never know. As 19MT said, he was doing the best he could.
I knew of the pilot from the Automotive Industry, he owned a wonderful facility in Cleveland Heights. I didn't know him super well, but we had chatted about our love for cars and flight while I was in one day. He was a fantastic human and carried a wealth of knowledge & light with him, you could feel it radiating off of him. Condolences and love to everyone involved, Forever in Flight.
Just watched this a few days ago. I went to work after, and had an aircraft call me out of the blue with a "rough running engine," I cleared my pattern to runway 34, and suggested they land on the opposite direction runway, 16, because he was set up on a decent wide base already, and the wind was negligible. The pilot declared emergency, said he "lost a cylinder," but made a nice approaching landing. Thankfully, the weather was nice. I honestly might not have offered the opposite direction runway if I hadn't just listened to this. The pilot was very relieved, thanked me by name, haha. I'm not even sure who it was, but I'm glad they landed safely. Great and helpful content here.
This was so very hard to listen to. The pilot was so calm, but you could hear the tension in the ATC's voice as the plane struggled to make it out of the clouds. My condolences to the families of the deceased.
Those NYCTRACON guys are the absolute best. When I was going for my private, based out of HPN, I got lost on my first cross country. After declaring an emergency, low on fuel, and obviously anxious, ATC gave me a heading to fly right to the runway at HPN. They saved my life.
God bless them, and God bless the souls from 1MT.
That’s definitely the best ATC work you’ll ever hear - he did absolutely everything possible to bring that aircraft safely in.
I’m not sure how his Bonanza is set up but situations like this make me thankful for my G1000 panels. The ability to quickly set up an approach with just a few button presses can really make a big difference in this kind of a situation. Great attempt by the controller to save this one. You did an amazing job and in this pilots opinion, everything you could possibly do with the tools you’re given. We’re lucky to have controllers like you up there with us.
Not a current pilot so forgive my ignorance. By saying your G1000 panels do you mean it takes just a few seconds to change plans and program in a new airport/route?
It sure seems like if he had a few more minutes he could have made it…
@@Adam20231 That is exactly what I am saying. In addition to being able to get vectors to final, with the G1000s synthetic vision, the lack of visibility wouldn’t have been as much of a factor. I hate to sound like a commercial but modern avionics are a game changer. They do increase safety. I shudder to think of the work load that pilot was dealing with in his final moments. The controller was doing an amazing job trying his very best to get him lined up verbally but with the delay between radio and radar, with the poor weather and engine problems, his chance for survival was really low. With better avionics this situation might have turned out very different.
I doubt any pilot today doesn't have access to a gps, even handheld or ipad. That plus tuning ILS frequency and turning to intercept should have taken less than 2 min.
@@Shadow__133 It’s not just having the ability to quickly dial up the ILS freq that is the difference maker, it’s the synthetic view systems in modern avionics like the G1000 that makes things safer. It takes the workload off the pilot so they can just fly the airplane.
@@SuperTrb0 Sure, but you can have all that and more with many apps on an ipad or even a phone.
Technically not legal, but does exactly the same. And I know very few people that fly GA without one nowadays.
I never needed or used synthetic vision for anything, despite having it on G1000. The top down view would be enough in this case, he collided with the ground, not a mountain.
Sad story today. So close to safety. RIP to both and counseling for the ATC
Anytime you see unusual performance in a single engine, you have to land immediately -- no troubleshooting. Even if its something simple, it's better to just get it resolved on the ground. I think these guys were a little lax as they went through the process of noticing and diagnosing. Just a few minutes wasted, and they painted themselves into a nasty corner.
You could tell the controller was trying to do just that, but the pilot just kept going.
@@TinkSalsa -- After a few critical minutes of very passive attention to the lack of engine performance, everyone went into their A-game. I'm just saying it's better to invoke the A-game as early as possible when there's any kind of performance issue in a single engine aircraft. No need to notice and think about it, or troubleshoot.. In flying, every minute is critical, and in this case way too many minutes were lost before everyone got into their A-game. No offense to the pilots or controller, but we have to learn from each accident.
Yep. Really can't take any chances with single engines. It can go bad before you can do anything about the situation.
@@pdquestions7673 agreed. I am more referencing how the controller offered to redirect the pilot back to the airport and was asking about him declaring an emergency at multiple points before thr pilot took those steps.
@@TinkSalsa -- this was after the pilot reported being puzzled with the engine's lack of performance. Sadly, it looks like the pilot noticed performance issues early in the climb, even before asking to stop the climb. Instead of asking to stop the climb (which shows he wasn't wiling to fully communicate his situation at first, and not being aggressive about his situation), he should already have reported engine trouble and requested vectors to the nearest runway. Critical lack of urgency. Yes, it sucks that he was flying from JFK, but he really had to ask for priority vectors right away. Without even loading an approach, the controllers could have basically vectored him down to final at JFK.
ATC was spectacular. They should use this clip for training. That base to Final turn may have scored another one. RIP.
I live just a few miles from HPN and know that area and the approach well. It's very dark and the terrain under that approach is heavily wooded, with lakes and a reservoir. The weather was terrible, raining all day with fog and low ceilings. Under those conditions you wouldn't see anything until you were practically on top of the approach lights. The controller did all he could to help and the pilot was so close to safety. Very sad. RIP.
A stellar performance by ATC. Godspeed to the pilot and thoughts and prayers for those who love him.
This one was a heartbreaker, especially when we all knew what the final outcome was going to be.
Kudos to ATC for giving it all he had
I've declared an emergency (electrical failure in IMC). Thundersrorms, airliners all stacked up over the big NY airports. Diverted to HPN. The NY Approach controllers are awesome. Westchester was also my x-country solo destination for my initial training years before that. So sad these flyers didn't make it. Hats off to the controller who helped perfectly in every way possible. The family...imagine being on the phone with them as it happened. Peace.
This ATC is top notch! Every suggestion he makes is the best option
Why don't we have a series of interviews and commemoration for these incredible air traffic controllers who do this day in and day out. I've been super-impressed by their professionalism and help throughout these videos.
I couldn't agree more. Maybe for every talking-head blowhard on cable news we could celebrate 10 people who show up, do their job with dedication and honor, and go home to their families.
I think we'd all be happier.
Condolences to the pilot and passenger. 300 ft base is a nightmare on a good day, can't even imagine in an emergency.
Exactly. Why takeoff and accept that risk?
@@cessna177flyer3 I mean, I'm sure they didn't plan on an engine failure but you must REALLY need to get where you're going to consider flying with weather minimums that low.
I live near jfk.. cannot tell you how bad the weather was on this night.. zero visibility fog brutally low clouds.. not the night for this problem sadly.. rip.. atc was amazing
@@jrod_pilot_miami i am telling you right now as someone related to the passenger, they really did NOT need to get back home that quickly. On the way there, yes they did because they were flying to a funeral and jewish funerals happen very quickly after death so they needed to be there quickly, but on the way back there was zero reason why they couldn't have taken a commercial flight or delayed flying back. Idk their circumstances though, maybe the plane was rented and needed to be returned that day, or something else. Either way whats done is done. May their memories be a blessing.
Damn, such a tragic event. Massive respect to the controller for doing everything they could to save the flight. Condolences to the family of both on board
I live 3 miles from the airport and that night around 5:17 it was so foggy you could cut it with a knife with heavy rain I remember it clearly. Such a shame
The worst part is seeing how close they were to the airport when the plane went down. Outstanding work by all involved, right to the end 💔
RIP. ATC was good and encouraging
I live close to both HPN and SWF. This was a very sad story on the local news. The pilot and passenger were apparently pillars of their community.
Ah yes, because the value of a human life is determined by how many people a person knows. How sad. That explains why immigrants are treated so badly in this country.
@@ranonampangom2185 thats a pitiful comment... to try to bring political point-scoring into a tragedy like this is beyond sick...for shame... 😒
Passenger was my uncle, it will have been a year since this happened next month and its so surreal to see just how quickly people outside of my family just moved on from this event after all was said and done. The world really does just keep moving after a loss. The world may have forgotten about him, but my family hasnt, they CANT. His loss leaves a void that can never be filled, and although his family is immensely strong and has bounced back fairly quickly, his loss is still felt during holidays, where his energy used to light up the most. May your memory be a blessing Ben, you were a person who was hard to forget once met.
Thank you for sharing. It is not that people do not care; they are just swamped by what this world throws at them. Keep your memories strong. Blessings from Australia.
So sad, cried a little. ATC was amazing.
This is a crying shame he was so close to landing it and maybe walking it off hard to think what would happen if he just decided he had to land it pretty much any earlier RIP both of them and sorry to those who had to be there to hear them lose that fight
Agree. Engine was showing problems several minutes before oil pressure was lost.
what a tragedy...that poor pilot was probably too overwhelmed to keep a closer distance to the runway on downwind. may their memory be eternal.
ILS descent starts 5 miles out so with an engine still running and the pilot having turned too far south the controller had him on a downwind out to 5 miles to turn around, when he realized the engine was going the controller vectored him straight to the field. another 500ft or so of altitude when this all started and he'd have made it. so sad
This one hurts. Good job ATC. Praying for the families.
Incredibly sad. Sincere condolences to all family and friends of those lost.
What a tragedy. Watched this at the edge of my seat. Hats off to the controller for his help, guidance and support with vectors every second. The pilot maintained a calm and composure throughout and flew the plane. My sincere condolences to his family and I tip my hat of to the controller - may I have the privilege to fly with you on the other side of the mic one day. It is heartbreaking to realized the plane overflew the field almost and crashed less than 2 miles from the runway. Single pilot IFR is tough but add a serious emergency like this and it's hell.
So sad. Everyone did everything they could, it just wasn't meant to be. RIP pilot and passenger and all the best to that ATC, he is amazing.
“Everything they could”? Well, they decided to takeoff into 300' overcast at night. Those are two risks I'm not willing to take. I would have waited a few hours until morning and flown home in better weather and in daylight. Second, and we'll have to wait until the NTSB releases the final report, but to me the engine problem began around 3000 feet when they couldn't climb. Had he declared an emergency then (and not waited several more minutes until oil pressure was lost) and proceeded straight to the nearest airport, the outcome may have been different, but it's too early to make a definitive proclamation like "everyone did everything they could".
This was HEARTBREAKING to hear. What a FANTASTIC Job the ATC Did & also the Pilot, He was Flying to the END. 😢😢😢😢😢
If he would have called an emergency just after a problem developed and headed to airport he might be around today! Lesson never wait to declare an EMERGENCY! Get to the nearest place to land. Rest in peace!❤
Even though you let us know what was going to happen I couldn't help but cheer him on. "Come on, you're almost there!" RIP What terrible conditions to lose your engine.
I found myself doing the same... 😖
Wow, very heartbreaking to listen to. ATC did an outstanding job getting that pilot where he did, kudos. RIP pilot and pax.
Damn it, he tried everything to help the pilot out but in the end it's not enough. So sad but great work from the ATC.
Supreme work by ATC. A shame his efforts didn't result in a better outcome, but that fella did absolutely everything he possibly could to assist. Hats off to him.
Awe man that’s really sad to think about and visualize with this video. I’m no pilot but I can only imagine this man didn’t even have time to get scared he did what he could . RIP he sounds like he passed doing something he loved.
Man that is tragic for everyone involved. The ATC operator and obviously the pilot. It seemed as tho he was so close.
This is heartbreaking😞. My condolences.
Sad to see\hear... RIP...
Well sometimes this is just how it goes.... They did just about all they could do right, but it wasn't enough. May they rest well now.
Well, they decided to takeoff into 300’ overcast at night. Those are two risks I’m not willing to take. I would have waited a few hours until morning and flown home in better weather and in daylight. Second, and we’ll have to wait until the NTSB releases the final report
, but to me the engine problem began around 3000 feet when they couldn’t climb. Had he declared an emergency then (and not waited several more minutes until oil pressure was lost) and proceeded straight to the nearest airport, the outcome may have been different, but it’s too early to make a definitive proclamation like “they did all they could”.
@@cessna177flyer3 Ok let me rephrase.... Everything the ATC could have done was given the delayed timing of things. While I agree with you, I also don't care to discuss semantics involving the death of a few unfortunate people in the air, because at the end of the day that's what matters.
@@MrMegaMario64 agree re: ATC. And yes, perhaps it is too soon to be discussing nuance while we mourn our pilot brother.
Sounds like absolute worst case scenario for that poor guy, RIP and my condolences to the families.
ATC were absolutely stellar. Nothing more they could have done, even with hindsight. Brilliant brilliant job.
Amazing job by the controller, such a pity. R.I.P. to the pilot.
Prayers for healing to all involved.🙏
Even compared to other fatal crash videos, this one was really hard to watch...
RIP :(, thank you ATC for the hard word, you guys are heroes!
ATC was great and on point. ATC went to vectors and did everything. Pilot did all he could without being able to see the ground. So sad and hard to listen to. RIP
Praise to atc. Stellar job albeit with unfortunate outcome. Atc did everything he could and more. 🙏
I don’t know if I’m the only one hearing this and rooting for them to make it despite the title of the video. They were so close. Truly heart breaking. ATC could not have been more accommodating, helpful and professional. The pilot seems to have done everything right and kept his cool under undoubtedly a stressful and scary situation. I wish the pilot would have declared an emergency earlier (so easy for me to say from the comfort of my home). I feel so sad for this terrible outcome.
I was the same way. Ended left a pit in my stomach 😢
When you are up there, so much is going thru your mind, you don't want to accept that you are in a real emergency fighting for your life (i felt some of that when it happened to me) and also was afraid of what the FAA might ask/do if I declare. It's seems silly now to think that way. Luckily, I escaped. RIP to these 2.
@@EricOrange99 I've not been in an emergency but understand and know that what you say is true. We see videos all day, every day of various tragedies and despite thinking one is immune at this point, this particular video really affected me. When I said I was rooting for them, I meant it. I was talking out loud to my iPad saying "declare! declare! turn now!". But again, I cannot and will not criticize that pilot. He did what he could in the circumstances he was in. May they rest in peace and may we hopefully learn from this.
ATC actions were commendable. RIP to those who lost their lives.
RIP to the pIlot and pax, Fantastic job by the ATC, they did everything they could.
My condolences to the victims and all my admiration to the ATCO. You did your best, sir.
ATC, clearly a pilot, and did everything he could to help this guy.
Sad, he didn’t make it. Sucks trying so hard to help someone and losing them.
May they RIP, prayers for the ATC too 🙏
Aviate, navigate, communicate. The sad part about this is that had he taken the right base, he had plenty of time to land. You can understand, becoming overwhelmed in the cockpit, but for all other pilots out there, when, in doubt get that bird on the ground as soon as you possibly can. If you are losing power, do not assume the situation is going to be stable, get the hell out of the air. Rest in peace
Yeah it makes me wonder wether he had a moving map display of any kind... Looked a little lost for a while there.... So sad
Not sure he was accounting for enough of the altitude loss that comes with the turns....
It also seems like he may have otherwise (or also) been trying to bleed off some altitude before he was on final, as not to overshoot.
...but I feel like, at least if it's a somewhat long or commercial-sized runway, I'd want to just keep all the altitude I could there and as soon as I'm lined up, I'd either just do a few s curves, or maybe even just dive into the last part to gain some airspeed as I broke the clouds so If I wasn't exactly where I needed to be, I'd have the speed to do whatever maneuvering may be required within that 300 feet of altitude Id get.
I am no professional though, that's just what I, as a non-pilot simulator junkie would do after seeing this. I would, however love to hear what an actual professional might do differently having seen this play out...
ATC did a great job. Sad it didn't end well. He got so close , too.
In a situation like this, all you need is the ILS frequency read to you from ATC and constant vectors to the runway. It's not about avionics as much as 1) getting closer to the airport with less meandering 2) stay high with gear and flaps up, prop low pitch and manage drag as needed to steepen the approach 3) with a 300' ceiling you have very little margin for error, almost none. Stay high, lots of runway, fly the localizer past the threshold if high and still in IMC. He crossed the south end of the airport at 5,000 feet, he should have stayed within a mile. Circle down over the localizer planning which circle will be when you turn in, and at what altitude to shoot for. Synthetic vision would be nice, but that doesn't get you a plan or extra glide distance. The pilot had no plan and lost valuable time and altitude. That may sound harsh, but its more about saving the next pilot than consoling relatives.
hopefully we can learn from this. condolences to the relatives.
This one hits close to home for me. I did my instrument rating at Westchester County Airport. Flying in low I FR and in a single engine plane carries inherent risk. I thought everyone involved in this incident did everything they could given the circumstances.
I’m personally going to reconsider my minimums, especially when flying over areas of low IFR.
if u dont mind me asking what flight school did u use and do u recommend them?
@@edgars6081 I did my instrument at Academy of Aviation. I did not have any issues going through the program. I had a really good instructor who has since moved on to the airline. I recommend going there and feeling the place out. I'm currently finishing my commercial at Take flight in Orange County (KMGJ). Take Flight is a great flight school with a great group of guys also.
@@rmaracallo I was thinking of doing the accelerated career program but can’t really find much detailed reviews so thank you for that. I have the option to go to Arizona for the airline programs but I also hear bad things about them and the cost would go up quite a bit as I’d have to stay out there for 3 years meanwhile here I’d save on that. Good luck
These two guys was on their way home from a funeral in NY. RIP to both of them!!!!
Westchester county (HPN) is my home airport. I am an instructor there and the fact that this happened so close to home makes my heart break. RIP
Got my private there - at Panorama - just past the Quonset hut terminal
I heard ATC say 300' cloud base. Wouldn't it have been better if the pilot said just get me to the airport direct? A lot of altitude wasted plus distance. Vector direct and put it down anywhere on the airport.
ATC deserves a medal. What a job and so sad he couldn't quite make it. RIP to both men.
Tragic... almost made it.. Kudos to ATC for the great work. RIP for both deceased..
Just feet from a total success, ATC Very nice job.
So terrifying for those involved R.I.P.
This is a tough one. Reminds me of the pilot a few years ago who lost his engine in the clouds with low cloud bases. He declares an emergency and said “I need help”. Controller did the best he could with no airports nearby and vectored him to a highway. Pilot ended up fatally hitting a house.
We as pilots take risks and flying with low ceilings single engine dramatically ups those risks and when the crap hits the fan sometimes our best isn’t good enough.
RIP
Sending prayers for all involved 🙏
Obviously hindsight is 20/20 for us on here...but I'm not leaving the airport. No vectors, nothing...terrible weather doesn't help but I want to pop-out over the airport someway somehow. Sad all the way around. The ATC we have in NY always do all they can for us...no exception here.
May they both rest easy, this is so saddening. That ATC did everything that he possibly could do and I hope he keeps good spirits.
That controller did everything he could. I hope he gets the support he needs to get over this, if he ever does. Really a tragic one.
Damn :( RIP, sirs. Thanks to the ATC for a truly professional job.
Sincere condolences to the families, the controller and anyone else affected. Rest in Peace.
Awful they flew to NYC to attend a funeral not knowing
amazing work by the ATC, condolences for the pilot and passenger
My condolences for the pilot’s family, what a tragedy. 😔
Condolences to the family and friends.