Well if those jeans weren't so seductive then maybe she would't need an abortion!! Of course that is sarcasm but lets be honest. Majority of people reading that got triggered because that is what theists literally say.
So having an abortion is emotionally exacting for people. I imagine being pregnant for nine months and then having to give birth is pretty stressful too, Christian, and certainly no less stressful for someone who didn't want to have a child to begin with. Ugh! I'd better leave it there. I genuinely despise pro-lifers and their make-believe excuse of a moral framework. If I get going on the subject it'd ironically be a miracle if that comment wasn't deleted five seconds after I posted it.
You should be ashamed slaughtering innocent human lives for convenience, while spewing your hatred for those who respect innocent human life. You are evil.
Well some of them genuinely believe what they say. They believe they’re protecting life. But a majority of them are fine with the child dying after it’s born. Especially if it’s from parents from an outside group. These are the same people who think it’s “objectively moral” to punish a child for the sins of the father “up to the tenth generation”.
@@EdithBromfeld 1) abortion isn't slaughter 2) fetuses aren't people yet 3) if you think that's evil you should see what the biblical YHWH does to innocents 4) I recommend you look up why abortions happen instead of making assumptions
In the past century, when abortion was illegal all over the USA and elsewhere in the world, a wealthy person who wanted one could get one anyway. The poors were the ones denied the procedure, or a safe one, at least.
I'm sure that can't be right nowadays. I'll bet in Texas that even if you are a rich woman, it's just as impossible to get an abortion as a poor woman working at McD. That's also why a rich Texas senator can't just run away to some tropical island when there's a natural disaster in his state.
@@DamonkeyBoyLovesMe um, those are two completely different scenarios, buddy. I highly doubt a rich person would have just as much trouble getting an abortion in Texas. Even if it truly is that difficult, you forget that rich person can easily just go to another state to get an abortion and come back. A poor person can't so easily do that.
God also made women miscarry and barren. Also he’s the one who said “happy are they who dash the little ones upon the rocks” during wars/genocides. Not to mention the fact that during said genocides (like in Numbers) they not only killed all the men and women, but all the children as well. They only kept alive as “brides” the “young girl children” who were virgins. The caller is yet another “Christian” who hasn’t read the Bible.
@martinpenwald9475 John leapt for joy at 6 months in the womb at the sound of Mary's voice while Jesus was 3 months in the womb. Every mother knows the life within them moves around at sounds. The blood of an unborn baby begins pumping through its OWN heart by the 4th week in the womb. It is NOT simply a bunch of cells. We've all been lied to for decades. Time to STOP the lie. John 3 16 invites all to know God's great love and promise. Those who will take the time and make the effort to seek Him, humbly and sincerely, will find the truth of His existence and presence in their lives.
Lol. We could also use the bibles rules on slavery. Thankfully we do not allow slavery anymore. However it says plenty about the morality of the bible. They did an AMAZING rebuttal!
If you own a computer or cell phone that uses lithium batteries, congratulations, you condone slavery. You just can't SEE it. Out of sight, out of mind, and NIMBY. John 3 16 invites you to know God's love and promise to you. As you draw near to Him - humbly and sincerely - you will know His presence and He will provide the proof you have always needed.
Does he think married women never have abortions??? What does being married have to do with not wanting to be pregnant? Some married. men do not want any more kids after a point so sometimes it’s a decision that both partners make.
He probably did an extensive study with detailed statistical analysis to show that no married Christian woman ever got an abortion. And since the huge majority of women who get abortion in the US identify as Christian, they are either not married or are not true Christians. Also, the unmarried Christian women would have had sex outside of marriage, so that makes them no true Christian. And that's why, according to the caller, all women who get abortion are atheists. That's just logic. Christian logic, but "logic".
Thank you so much, SR. Miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies are so very common, and abortive procedures can be necessary. In states where there are bans, the mortality of women is going up at alarming rates. A woman who becomes pregnant in these states is putting her safety on the line. Great job panel!!
2/3rds of fertilized eggs either fail to implant or are passed before 6 weeks pregnancy. If you believe in a god, you have to believe he performs more abortions than anyone.
The idea that the NT means we should disregard the OT is often pulled out by someone trying to disregard all the horrid things therein. But nowhere does it say, oops, the OT should not be taken seriously. That, after all, is where the ten commandments and Genesis are ! There is a verse which summarises the authoritarian Jesus and his attitude to all, including children. Jesus has to be Number One in your life. Anyway, check out Luke 14:26 and Matthew 10:37 you will see how children are not so special after all.
Even so, there is nothing in the NT mentioning abortion or proclaiming the “personhood” of an “unborn child” at all. This notion that personhood starts at conception is pretty recent belief within history.
As usual this is needed *NOTICE FOR ANTI ABORTION POSTERS* Don't simply obey your preacher, please try to learn: 1) What abortion is (including types such as chemical and surgical) and what's legally allowable (term limits etc) 2) The history of abortion and what happens when it's forbidden 3) What consent is 4) How pregnancy occurs, including how often sex causes it and what an ectopic pregnancy is 5) How pregnancy affects the body including effects _after_ birth such as postpartum depression 6) What a miscarriage is and how that compares to abortion 7) The difference between embryos, fetuses, and babies 8) What bodily autonomy is and entails, including consent If anyone has additions please comment for updating! (Edit1 with updates)
8)That there were already provisions under Roe v Wade that disallowed late-term abortions. 9)The history of abortion and what happens when it is outlawed.
For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb. Thank You for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous-how well I know it. You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb. You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in Your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed
@@Childfree334 But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, MURDERERS, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars-their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death But now He commands everyone everywhere to repent of theirs sins and turn to Him
Oh yeah I've heard this spiel before. `If everyone would just follow the laws of God, the world would be perfect!!!!` The institution of marriage is incredibly antiquated. Not that I have an issue with the underlying principal, or some of the legal issues that result from sharing your life with someone being resolved, but as a `fix-all` to things like abortion? Err, no.
As long as you are within the actually scientifically reasoned pregnancy term limits, abortion is justified for ANY REASON. End of story. Even if you keep getting pregnant and having abortions for fun, that's fine. That's a part of reality, fetuses don't feel pain anyway so it's not even harsh. Quality of life and autonomy are important. You can try and convince teens and sexually active people to use contraception or avoid intercourse if they don't want kids we can't force them and we have to give everyone access to healthcare and access to abortion and other parental care and family planning options. Just like people who skateboard or do extreme sports and break blend all the time, they are a burden on the healthcare system and choose to get injured and use precious resources. Unfortunately we have to give people the freedom to do as they please and still offer them medical care when needed. Freedom of speech is important even though it can cause lots of problems because of misinformation, racial scapegoating etc. We can fight those things but that's not an excuse to take away freedom of speech completely
Rape, incest, risk to mother's life/health, viability of foetus? Even before you consider any other reason for a woman to desire an abortion, christian teaching has no bearing on just those reasons because the bible is silent on them. Is the caller unaware of these? Oh, and the emotional impact of abortion on a man is irrelevant and don't imagine for an instant that it is or can be, just don't.
What the hell happened to their Bible quote, "I am the Lord your God. I....me, me, me, me, me, ME, I change NOT!!!" Old Testament, New Testament... It shouldn't make a difference. It thought the instructions were good THEN, it follows It thinks they're good NOW. 🙄🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
It does say that. They just don’t care. Jesus DOES say that the OT is just as much “gods word” as the NT. But when your narrative is “the Bible is moral” it’s easier to just throw out the inconvenient parts.
Jesus made it clear that He did not come to get rid of what has been written but imstead to fulfil it. God has never changed and neither has the message of the bible. God is all good who punishes evil and the old testament showed the failures of humans and how the cycle of sin does not end and there is no amount of good that can make up for our wrongs. As stated in ezekial 33:11, God does not wish for anyone to perish but that they turn from our evil ways. But since we cannot do anything to save ourselves from hell, God chose to live as a human and die on the cross to take our punishment so we do not have to and ressurected on the third day. So if you repent and believe in who Jesus is and what He did without trusting in your own deeds or character, you will be saved.
@@First-b1u8jWhat does it mean to "fulfil" it? Jesus said that none of the Mosaic laws should be changed. And anyone who advocates not following even the most minor law, like eating shellfish, shall be called the least in heaven. And how long should you abide by the Mosaic laws? Until heaven and earth pass away. So has heaven and earth passed away? If not, you better lay off the bacon.
I think a Christian prays and then god performs the abortion since he's really good at killing. It's just wrong if human doctors does it as part of a reproductive healthcare for a pregnant woman.
I'm a life long atheist, and although I'm well aware of the medical advantages of having access to abortions, doing it out of inconvenience due to negligence, still feels wrong to me somehow. Thankfully what I think or feel is completely irrelevant to everyone else.
Justin was amazing in this call, I love that he brought up numbers 5, I don't hear it mentioned enough when Christians bring up abortion being bad. His knowledge of those deuteronomy and exodus passages too were marvelous. I'm sure it broke Christian's mind
I'm not a fan of abortion, I hate that it is a thing. Because people who find themselves in a position where abortion is an option, are not in that position for good reasons. They have to make a difficult and painful decision and my heart breaks knowing that there are people in that situation. I wish that nobody has to be in such a situation and that our reality was that there was no need for abortion.
I get where you are coming from, and much of the time you are correct. There are, however, plenty of abortions that are done when the woman/couple are in a pretty good shape, but have decided that they are either not ready, have enough or don't want any children. In an ideal world, people would be able to completely control their fertility (both sides) and only get pregnant when they chose, but we aren't there yet.
You wish that the world was created in such a way that there was no need for abortions? So no miscarriages? No stillbirth. No genetic and developmental diseases? If only it was possible for the world to be intelligently designed.
This is likely why some sections of government (US Republicans?) Are more concerned about birthed children but not about how they're raised and their quality of life... same arguments, logic - or lack thereof? And abortion makes a more emotional appeal to the masses, for some reason. To me, starving kids in school are worse.
I think abortion should be a deal because I believe life is precious BUT that’s between you and your doctor…..most people getting one bc medically it’s need or bc they don’t want a kid and fun fact making people have kids they DONT want doesn’t end well for them.
@@sterlingjones9474 life is precious ? What about the parasite worms that blind children under 12 ??? That’s life!!! You ever use fly spray/ rat poison? That’s life!!
Yet, I am theist and you cannot demonstrate a single thing I am wrong about, much less dishonest. Your claim is yet another lie in an endless parade of demonstrated atheist lies I expose.
@@combatwomb1You are so right. There should be a back and forth, rather than one party ignoring what was said and wanting to just plow on. Justin made a comment and called out parts in the bible that supports having abortion. And in response, the caller didn't want to address the point and wanted to talk about Jesus. And then when Justin asked the caller whether Jesus was god, the caller refused to answer. So I definitely agree with you that there should be a back and forth. Maybe the caller will figure out how to do that better next time he calls in.
The problem with atheists is that its not necessary to be a secular humanist. if you are for human rights there is no logical train of thought that makes abortion moral
I'm not for "human rights", I'm for "person rights". A fetus cannot be considered a "person" until AT LEAST week 30, at which point "abortion" can be achieved by delivery of desired. In the case of a risk to the mother's life, it's clearly the moral choice to save the "definitely a person" woman, over the "possibly a person" fetus. ☝️ TaDa, abortion is moral.
Marriage can prevent abortion, so far as married woman have the guarantee of support for her child from the husband and his family, what makes the pregnancy easier to accept in tougher situations, but also the husband can be the reasonable side in marriage, and prevent woman from aborting the child, especially in a healthy society, where the child belongs to both parents, and abortion requires approval from both the mother and the father, although a healthy society would protect the unborn, or treat abortion as dehumanization and premeditated murder in the first place, except in critical situations.
@@ivanos_95 You think parents OWN their children? And what makes you think the children of gay couples aren't BIOLOGICALLY the couples? Usually at least one either bore them during pregnancy or provided sperm. Well done on being ignorant 🙄 (Edited for clarity)
There's 2 ways you can define god depending on the context of the conversation 1. if you're talking about the origins of the universe then you can call the universe and all things in it "god" this is an autonomous system that creates consciousness and provides for purpose and meaning, as consciousness cannot endure in solitude and must find purpose to keep reproducing, that is why we find many consciousnesses not just 1 god, this is also proof that any personal god cannot exist and all religions are wrong 2. if you're having a conversation about psychology then "god" can be used to refer to "all things good" and Satan is the personification of evil, as in, when you face your trauma, you face Satan, but you're really just facing the evil inside yourself God doesn't make rules that you need to follow, the universe is setup in such a way that if you act logically then you will experience an easier happier life around your friends and family, these are the inherent rules of this universe, they are that way because if they weren't then the universe couldn't exist, and neither could the consciousness inside it religion isnt meant to find the perfect after life, its psychology so you can find contentment with conscious now wile you're alive, that is the only heaven that can logically exist, the one you create yourself right now, and you do that by being a good person and limiting the abuse you receive and give out, you finally face your inherent narcissism and grow up, you become a considerate adult, and just by that you experience less abuse and your well-being and mental health greatly improves, you begin to understand why you're suffering this also lowers your anxiety and makes you physically healthier, not just mentally healthier
@nealjroberts4050 "I'm an agnostic pantheist and I prefer one definition that isn't equivocated about in order to prevent criticism." TRANSLATION "You must use my rigid and ridiculous definition of god because it's the only way I can justify my Atheism."
Variety is definitely the spice to life. Personally, I find God and religions usless, but I do have other hobbies I enjoy. Each to their own personal hobbies and interests. Peace ✌️
@@ministryofarguments3525 "God is an imaginary character just like an afterlife is an imaginary. If you are psychologically mature you have no need for those immature concepts." You should actually read what you comment on.
"we need to have it because it's a medical procedure in case there's problem during pregnancy". Abortion is very rarely a medical procedure. Most abortions are because of inconvenience.
'Most abortions are because of inconvenience." No... Dude... Get a life and stop trying to talk about things you know nothing about... If abortion was for convenience we wouldn't have so many single mothers...
If you ever find yourself questioning your existence or you want answers about what your purpose is in this life,The Q u r a n is the only book in the world which will give you the true answers to these questions.
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb. Thank You for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous-how well I know it. You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb. You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in Your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed
@@STOP-n-READ Now all you have to do provide evidence of some kind....empirical demonstrable evidence supported by objectively verifiable facts is best....sufficient to substantiate the assertion/claim that the "God" of the Buy-Bull exists in our shared reality. Otherwise words in a book of historical fantasy fiction don't mean SH*T!
Needlessly antagonistic. This show looks less like a dialog and more like power play. 3 hosts against one caller? The guy couldn't get a word edgewise. Obnoxious behaviour.
He listened quietly while THREE, 3! opposers bogarted the entire conversation … I knew when I saw the video was 15 minutes with these 3, we would never hear his reason for calling.
They addressed his reason for calling and refuted it. His reason was “if people followed the Bible no one would get abortions”. Yet he is ignorant of the Bible and the fact that it doesn’t say anything against abortion and as they said, has no problems with children being killed. It says to stone “unruly” children, dash little ones upon the rocks during wars, god himself sends 2 bears to kill 42 children because one called a guy bald as well as called on children to be killed during genocides except the virgin girl CHILDREN who were to be “kept as brides”.
Abortion doesn't need a solution.
This is like saying we need a solution for people wearing jeans.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana jeans, ok... But DOUBLE DENIM and JEGGINGS??? Surely something has done!
Well if those jeans weren't so seductive then maybe she would't need an abortion!! Of course that is sarcasm but lets be honest. Majority of people reading that got triggered because that is what theists literally say.
Or saying we need a solution for amputation.
So having an abortion is emotionally exacting for people. I imagine being pregnant for nine months and then having to give birth is pretty stressful too, Christian, and certainly no less stressful for someone who didn't want to have a child to begin with. Ugh! I'd better leave it there. I genuinely despise pro-lifers and their make-believe excuse of a moral framework. If I get going on the subject it'd ironically be a miracle if that comment wasn't deleted five seconds after I posted it.
You should be ashamed slaughtering innocent human lives for convenience, while spewing your hatred for those who respect innocent human life.
You are evil.
Well some of them genuinely believe what they say. They believe they’re protecting life. But a majority of them are fine with the child dying after it’s born. Especially if it’s from parents from an outside group. These are the same people who think it’s “objectively moral” to punish a child for the sins of the father “up to the tenth generation”.
@@EdithBromfeld
1) abortion isn't slaughter
2) fetuses aren't people yet
3) if you think that's evil you should see what the biblical YHWH does to innocents
4) I recommend you look up why abortions happen instead of making assumptions
@@EdithBromfeld
You’re an embarrassment to your parents *Jimmy.*
In the past century, when abortion was illegal all over the USA and elsewhere in the world, a wealthy person who wanted one could get one anyway. The poors were the ones denied the procedure, or a safe one, at least.
I'm sure that can't be right nowadays. I'll bet in Texas that even if you are a rich woman, it's just as impossible to get an abortion as a poor woman working at McD.
That's also why a rich Texas senator can't just run away to some tropical island when there's a natural disaster in his state.
@@DamonkeyBoyLovesMeif you’re wealthy - you can easily travel to a place where it’s an available procedure.
@@josephmayfield945
Money opens a lot of doors.
@@DamonkeyBoyLovesMe
um, those are two completely different scenarios, buddy. I highly doubt a rich person would have just as much trouble getting an abortion in Texas. Even if it truly is that difficult, you forget that rich person can easily just go to another state to get an abortion and come back. A poor person can't so easily do that.
Rich people get away with all crimes does that mean we should make the crimes legal?
10:03 The bible is in fact pretty clear on the subject : life begins AT BIRTH. There is no biblical support for life beginning at conception.
So what's happening before birth?
first breath but yea
God also made women miscarry and barren. Also he’s the one who said “happy are they who dash the little ones upon the rocks” during wars/genocides. Not to mention the fact that during said genocides (like in Numbers) they not only killed all the men and women, but all the children as well. They only kept alive as “brides” the “young girl children” who were virgins.
The caller is yet another “Christian” who hasn’t read the Bible.
@martinpenwald9475 John leapt for joy at 6 months in the womb at the sound of Mary's voice while Jesus was 3 months in the womb. Every mother knows the life within them moves around at sounds. The blood of an unborn baby begins pumping through its OWN heart by the 4th week in the womb. It is NOT simply a bunch of cells. We've all been lied to for decades. Time to STOP the lie. John 3 16 invites all to know God's great love and promise. Those who will take the time and make the effort to seek Him, humbly and sincerely, will find the truth of His existence and presence in their lives.
Correct. When the child takes it's first breath.
But Christian like to cherry pick, especially when forcing it beliefs on you and others.
Lol.
We could also use the bibles rules on slavery. Thankfully we do not allow slavery anymore. However it says plenty about the morality of the bible.
They did an AMAZING rebuttal!
We still have slavery in America it is called the prison system. Look it up.
If you own a computer or cell phone that uses lithium batteries, congratulations, you condone slavery. You just can't SEE it. Out of sight, out of mind, and NIMBY. John 3 16 invites you to know God's love and promise to you. As you draw near to Him - humbly and sincerely - you will know His presence and He will provide the proof you have always needed.
It's funny how christians who think Jesus is God somehow don't understand that Jesus (God) wrote the old testament too.
Neither Jesus or God wrote the the old testament, and they didn't write the new testament either.
And they are so against abortion even though their god sacrificed his son on a cross.
Jesus was a psychiatrist that understood trauma recovery
@@ZSAZSS09I think they were making an internal critique of the Christian worldview
Matthew 5 17:19
Does he think married women never have abortions??? What does being married have to do with not wanting to be pregnant? Some married. men do not want any more kids after a point so sometimes it’s a decision that both partners make.
He probably did an extensive study with detailed statistical analysis to show that no married Christian woman ever got an abortion.
And since the huge majority of women who get abortion in the US identify as Christian, they are either not married or are not true Christians. Also, the unmarried Christian women would have had sex outside of marriage, so that makes them no true Christian.
And that's why, according to the caller, all women who get abortion are atheists. That's just logic. Christian logic, but "logic".
They make up 13% of abortions, if I can trust the first source I checked, so you can say every 10th abortion is by a married woman.
Great job Armin, Justin, and Secular Rarity !!!
Every show needs a Justin. No need to google Bible passages. His show is amazing.
Christian was not expecting Justin to be so well versed on the verses 😅
Thank you so much, SR. Miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies are so very common, and abortive procedures can be necessary. In states where there are bans, the mortality of women is going up at alarming rates. A woman who becomes pregnant in these states is putting her safety on the line. Great job panel!!
2/3rds of fertilized eggs either fail to implant or are passed before 6 weeks pregnancy. If you believe in a god, you have to believe he performs more abortions than anyone.
The idea that the NT means we should disregard the OT is often pulled out by someone trying to disregard all the horrid things therein. But nowhere does it say, oops, the OT should not be taken seriously. That, after all, is where the ten commandments and Genesis are ! There is a verse which summarises the authoritarian Jesus and his attitude to all, including children. Jesus has to be Number One in your life. Anyway, check out Luke 14:26 and Matthew 10:37 you will see how children are not so special after all.
Even so, there is nothing in the NT mentioning abortion or proclaiming the “personhood” of an “unborn child” at all. This notion that personhood starts at conception is pretty recent belief within history.
As usual this is needed
*NOTICE FOR ANTI ABORTION POSTERS*
Don't simply obey your preacher, please try to learn:
1) What abortion is (including types such as chemical and surgical) and what's legally allowable (term limits etc)
2) The history of abortion and what happens when it's forbidden
3) What consent is
4) How pregnancy occurs, including how often sex causes it and what an ectopic pregnancy is
5) How pregnancy affects the body including effects _after_ birth such as postpartum depression
6) What a miscarriage is and how that compares to abortion
7) The difference between embryos, fetuses, and babies
8) What bodily autonomy is and entails, including consent
If anyone has additions please comment for updating!
(Edit1 with updates)
8)That there were already provisions under Roe v Wade that disallowed late-term abortions.
9)The history of abortion and what happens when it is outlawed.
@@Tuna_Man2323
The first might be too American specific but I think I can adjust #1 to fit
The second goes well to follow 1!
For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them
So God created human beings in His own image. In the image of God He created them; male and female He created them
☝️ Example of someone who rejects the advice given in favour of prejudice and might makes right mentality
Great job with the Bible verses guys 💙👍🏽
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb. Thank You for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous-how well I know it. You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb. You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in Your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed
@STOP-n-READ What is this drivel? God didn't knit together anything in my body. I aborted that thing.
@@STOP-n-READ Nobody caes.
@@STOP-n-READI'm so glad I had an abortion so I wouldn't bring one of you into the world.
@@Childfree334
But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, MURDERERS, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars-their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death
But now He commands everyone everywhere to repent of theirs sins and turn to Him
SR dropping the hammer on the "but can I finish?" Kudos.
Oh yeah I've heard this spiel before. `If everyone would just follow the laws of God, the world would be perfect!!!!` The institution of marriage is incredibly antiquated. Not that I have an issue with the underlying principal, or some of the legal issues that result from sharing your life with someone being resolved, but as a `fix-all` to things like abortion? Err, no.
Love from a EmmaThorn and Vaush fan!
i've been listening to this as a podcast and man i way underestimated the bone structure of these guys in my mental picture
lol
R-pe pregnancy-none viable-mother health issues et etc there are many justifiable reasons for abortion !!!
Agreed. I consider abortion entirely justifiable even without the kind of distressing and extreme circumstances you cited.
There is no need to exercise your rights.
They don’t care about that though. They just say “well it’s not the majority so it doesn’t count”.
As long as you are within the actually scientifically reasoned pregnancy term limits, abortion is justified for ANY REASON. End of story. Even if you keep getting pregnant and having abortions for fun, that's fine. That's a part of reality, fetuses don't feel pain anyway so it's not even harsh. Quality of life and autonomy are important. You can try and convince teens and sexually active people to use contraception or avoid intercourse if they don't want kids we can't force them and we have to give everyone access to healthcare and access to abortion and other parental care and family planning options.
Just like people who skateboard or do extreme sports and break blend all the time, they are a burden on the healthcare system and choose to get injured and use precious resources. Unfortunately we have to give people the freedom to do as they please and still offer them medical care when needed.
Freedom of speech is important even though it can cause lots of problems because of misinformation, racial scapegoating etc. We can fight those things but that's not an excuse to take away freedom of speech completely
How does rape justify homicide?
Justin rocks
Rape, incest, risk to mother's life/health, viability of foetus?
Even before you consider any other reason for a woman to desire an abortion, christian teaching has no bearing on just those reasons because the bible is silent on them. Is the caller unaware of these?
Oh, and the emotional impact of abortion on a man is irrelevant and don't imagine for an instant that it is or can be, just don't.
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@@gee-t3j citation? Point?
There is no need to exercise your rights.
I look forward to your new videos, always trying to please your viewers! 🍓🌺
Justin is a good host.
You never allowed the caller to talk.
Lovin you guys ❤
What the hell happened to their Bible quote, "I am the Lord your God. I....me, me, me, me, me, ME, I change NOT!!!"
Old Testament, New Testament... It shouldn't make a difference.
It thought the instructions were good THEN, it follows It thinks they're good NOW.
🙄🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
It does say that. They just don’t care. Jesus DOES say that the OT is just as much “gods word” as the NT. But when your narrative is “the Bible is moral” it’s easier to just throw out the inconvenient parts.
Jesus made it clear that He did not come to get rid of what has been written but imstead to fulfil it. God has never changed and neither has the message of the bible. God is all good who punishes evil and the old testament showed the failures of humans and how the cycle of sin does not end and there is no amount of good that can make up for our wrongs. As stated in ezekial 33:11, God does not wish for anyone to perish but that they turn from our evil ways. But since we cannot do anything to save ourselves from hell, God chose to live as a human and die on the cross to take our punishment so we do not have to and ressurected on the third day. So if you repent and believe in who Jesus is and what He did without trusting in your own deeds or character, you will be saved.
@@First-b1u8jWhat does it mean to "fulfil" it?
Jesus said that none of the Mosaic laws should be changed. And anyone who advocates not following even the most minor law, like eating shellfish, shall be called the least in heaven.
And how long should you abide by the Mosaic laws? Until heaven and earth pass away. So has heaven and earth passed away? If not, you better lay off the bacon.
@@First-b1u8j I am curious to know what rational/impartial method you used to decide which passages to accept and which to ignore.
@@First-b1u8jwell in that case, slavery is still fine and genocide is still commanded.
They solved NOTHING @
Saying 'my mom had tons of abortions and thought nothing of it' is not flex the host thinks it is.
Dies it SOLVE a pregnancy going south when a dead fetus is killing the mother????
I think a Christian prays and then god performs the abortion since he's really good at killing. It's just wrong if human doctors does it as part of a reproductive healthcare for a pregnant woman.
Yup, Christians whine about humans getting abortions, but are perfectly fine with naturally occurring ones.
That's the fundamentalist way!
I'm a life long atheist, and although I'm well aware of the medical advantages of having access to abortions, doing it out of inconvenience due to negligence, still feels wrong to me somehow.
Thankfully what I think or feel is completely irrelevant to everyone else.
Justin was amazing in this call, I love that he brought up numbers 5, I don't hear it mentioned enough when Christians bring up abortion being bad. His knowledge of those deuteronomy and exodus passages too were marvelous. I'm sure it broke Christian's mind
I'm not a fan of abortion, I hate that it is a thing. Because people who find themselves in a position where abortion is an option, are not in that position for good reasons. They have to make a difficult and painful decision and my heart breaks knowing that there are people in that situation. I wish that nobody has to be in such a situation and that our reality was that there was no need for abortion.
Not for good reasons? Even married couples decide to have abortions, why are they obviously in that position for bad reasons?
I get where you are coming from, and much of the time you are correct. There are, however, plenty of abortions that are done when the woman/couple are in a pretty good shape, but have decided that they are either not ready, have enough or don't want any children. In an ideal world, people would be able to completely control their fertility (both sides) and only get pregnant when they chose, but we aren't there yet.
So a woman's life, health and well being is "not a good reason"? Way to make your sexism obvious.
You wish that the world was created in such a way that there was no need for abortions? So no miscarriages? No stillbirth. No genetic and developmental diseases?
If only it was possible for the world to be intelligently designed.
This is likely why some sections of government (US Republicans?) Are more concerned about birthed children but not about how they're raised and their quality of life... same arguments, logic - or lack thereof? And abortion makes a more emotional appeal to the masses, for some reason. To me, starving kids in school are worse.
Is 3 hosts really necessary?
I think abortion should be a deal because I believe life is precious BUT that’s between you and your doctor…..most people getting one bc medically it’s need or bc they don’t want a kid and fun fact making people have kids they DONT want doesn’t end well for them.
@@sterlingjones9474 life is precious ? What about the parasite worms that blind children under 12 ??? That’s life!!! You ever use fly spray/ rat poison? That’s life!!
2nd... No such a thing as an honest theist.
Yet, I am theist and you cannot demonstrate a single thing I am wrong about, much less dishonest.
Your claim is yet another lie in an endless parade of demonstrated atheist lies I expose.
@@EdithBromfeld
I have irrefutable incontrovertible PROOF that your "God" is not real!!
@@EdithBromfeld
The only thing you expose, is your twisted belief of being a better
human than anyone else!
Christians did vote for lying, divorced felon.
@@EdithBromfeld
Poor cLied.
He lied.
He lied about lies.
Sad.
I think 3v1 is a little much
Technically it's 3 v 4. The Christian is never alone. He has the Trinity with him.
It's a conversation not a debate.
Why? He called in. If what he says is true it shouldn’t matter.
@@jackwhitbread4583 Right, a conversation needs some back and forth
@@combatwomb1You are so right. There should be a back and forth, rather than one party ignoring what was said and wanting to just plow on.
Justin made a comment and called out parts in the bible that supports having abortion. And in response, the caller didn't want to address the point and wanted to talk about Jesus. And then when Justin asked the caller whether Jesus was god, the caller refused to answer.
So I definitely agree with you that there should be a back and forth. Maybe the caller will figure out how to do that better next time he calls in.
The problem with atheists is that its not necessary to be a secular humanist.
if you are for human rights there is no logical train of thought that makes abortion moral
Really, you can't imagine how abortion, the termination of a pregnancy, might be a necessary reproductive Healthcare option?
Perhaps you need to learn the reasons for abortions before blaming the atheists
I'm not for "human rights", I'm for "person rights". A fetus cannot be considered a "person" until AT LEAST week 30, at which point "abortion" can be achieved by delivery of desired. In the case of a risk to the mother's life, it's clearly the moral choice to save the "definitely a person" woman, over the "possibly a person" fetus.
☝️ TaDa, abortion is moral.
@TheistsTapOut no, I can't imagine how that is health care. If you can, you are morally bankrupt
these guys talk too much! each sentence the caller speaks leads to a diatribe
Press technically 4v3 because the caller has the Trinity with him
They’re addressing his claims and asking questions.
Who's show is it? Not the caller's that's for sure.
Marriage can prevent abortion, so far as married woman have the guarantee of support for her child from the husband and his family, what makes the pregnancy easier to accept in tougher situations, but also the husband can be the reasonable side in marriage, and prevent woman from aborting the child, especially in a healthy society, where the child belongs to both parents, and abortion requires approval from both the mother and the father, although a healthy society would protect the unborn, or treat abortion as dehumanization and premeditated murder in the first place, except in critical situations.
Glad you promote gay marriage then.
@nealjroberts4050 I hope you're joking.
@@ivanos_95
Are you not arguing that multiple parents makes for a more loving abd financially stable environment to successfully raise children?
@nealjroberts4050 Correct, but I'm talking about the biological parents, who actually owns, or have the right to their child.
@@ivanos_95
You think parents OWN their children?
And what makes you think the children of gay couples aren't BIOLOGICALLY the couples? Usually at least one either bore them during pregnancy or provided sperm.
Well done on being ignorant 🙄
(Edited for clarity)
There's 2 ways you can define god depending on the context of the conversation
1. if you're talking about the origins of the universe then you can call the universe and all things in it "god"
this is an autonomous system that creates consciousness and provides for purpose and meaning, as consciousness cannot endure in solitude and must find purpose to keep reproducing, that is why we find many consciousnesses not just 1 god, this is also proof that any personal god cannot exist and all religions are wrong
2. if you're having a conversation about psychology then "god" can be used to refer to "all things good" and Satan is the personification of evil, as in, when you face your trauma, you face Satan, but you're really just facing the evil inside yourself
God doesn't make rules that you need to follow, the universe is setup in such a way that if you act logically then you will experience an easier happier life around your friends and family, these are the inherent rules of this universe, they are that way because if they weren't then the universe couldn't exist, and neither could the consciousness inside it
religion isnt meant to find the perfect after life, its psychology so you can find contentment with conscious now wile you're alive, that is the only heaven that can logically exist, the one you create yourself right now, and you do that by being a good person and limiting the abuse you receive and give out, you finally face your inherent narcissism and grow up, you become a considerate adult, and just by that you experience less abuse and your well-being and mental health greatly improves, you begin to understand why you're suffering
this also lowers your anxiety and makes you physically healthier, not just mentally healthier
I'm an agnostic pantheist and I prefer one definition that isn't equivocated about in order to prevent criticism.
@nealjroberts4050 "I'm an agnostic pantheist and I prefer one definition that isn't equivocated about in order to prevent criticism."
TRANSLATION
"You must use my rigid and ridiculous definition of god because it's the only way I can justify my Atheism."
God is an imaginary character just like an afterlife is an imaginary. If you are psychologically mature you have no need for those immature concepts.
Variety is definitely the spice to life.
Personally, I find God and religions usless, but I do have other hobbies I enjoy.
Each to their own personal hobbies and interests.
Peace ✌️
@@ministryofarguments3525 "God is an imaginary character just like an afterlife is an imaginary. If you are psychologically mature you have no need for those immature concepts."
You should actually read what you comment on.
"we need to have it because it's a medical procedure in case there's problem during pregnancy".
Abortion is very rarely a medical procedure. Most abortions are because of inconvenience.
Abortions are always a medical procedure and pregnancy is inherently inconvenient and that’s valid reason enough.
Conservatives are so ready to be offended at people having the right to choose...
Pregnancy is inherently inconvenient so that’s a valid enough reason.
'Most abortions are because of inconvenience."
No...
Dude... Get a life and stop trying to talk about things you know nothing about...
If abortion was for convenience we wouldn't have so many single mothers...
And that's fine. So easily offended aren't you?
If you ever find yourself questioning your existence or you want answers about what your purpose is in this life,The
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Either untestable or false answers. Not "true" answers.
Where does sperm come from again in that big book of bullshite?
What if you don't accept misogyny, racism and bigotry?
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb. Thank You for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous-how well I know it. You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb. You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in Your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed
Nice job at ignoring context, Floridaboy (7 ACCOUNT troll).
Congrats, you just made a sweater! Is it with an image of Santa?
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2
Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord
@@KarstenNygaard-d8c
Don’t be fooled-you cannot mock God. You will always harvest what you plant
@@STOP-n-READ
Now all you have to do provide evidence of some kind....empirical demonstrable evidence supported by objectively verifiable facts is best....sufficient to substantiate the assertion/claim that the "God" of the Buy-Bull exists in our shared reality.
Otherwise words in a book of historical fantasy fiction don't mean SH*T!
Needlessly antagonistic. This show looks less like a dialog and more like power play. 3 hosts against one caller? The guy couldn't get a word edgewise. Obnoxious behaviour.
qq more, Cupcake.
That dude knew there were 3 hosts and called anyway…
Having watched this... What the F are you talking about?
you must be new here
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 You didn't actually expect him to have actually understand the words he typed, did you? 🤣
He listened quietly while THREE, 3! opposers bogarted the entire conversation … I knew when I saw the video was 15 minutes with these 3, we would never hear his reason for calling.
We heard the reason for the call as soon as he came on. He said what his point was. What are you going on about?
They addressed his reason for calling and refuted it. His reason was “if people followed the Bible no one would get abortions”. Yet he is ignorant of the Bible and the fact that it doesn’t say anything against abortion and as they said, has no problems with children being killed.
It says to stone “unruly” children, dash little ones upon the rocks during wars, god himself sends 2 bears to kill 42 children because one called a guy bald as well as called on children to be killed during genocides except the virgin girl CHILDREN who were to be “kept as brides”.
@@BrellKSeems to want only the caller to speak and not allow them any rebuttals.
Justins facial expressions are giving me life!
Right? I love that there's a host like him on the show now.