"The British PROGRESSIVE ROCK group, Genesis" Sometimes there are debates on the term 'progressive rock' and when it became a common label for prog rock bands, well, this to me is now the earliest usage of the term that I've come across. Nice!
In the late 1960s, there was a television ad for a Jimmi Hendrix Experience album or tour. They showed the band performing while the announcer called them "the most exciting progressive rock group in show business," or something like that.
@@Trobtwillis Wow that is an interesting memory.. yeah Hendrix / Cream / Floyd / Traffic / Soft Machine / The Nice / Procol Harum are surely the collective 'big bang' that kicked it all off.
Both Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford seem comfortable and at ease in their own skins, and they are being good sports, taking somewhat awkward questions from one of the real old generation, rock n roll media figures, the great Cousin Brucie (I’m an old New York guy); strange pairing but Genesis were redirecting and rebuilding the band following the Peter Gabriel era so they wanted to keep things positive and upbeat. This is really interesting, thank you for posting this.
Yes, I love what Chester brought to the band but Bills sound , eccentric energy and grooves gave an edgy dimension to this era's live sound...I also think Phil seemed to up his game playing alongside Bill, a bit more competitive, whereas Chester's laid back attitude didn't have the same effect on him...
Sure sounded like Cousin Brucie - I loved him as a kid. Kind of funny hearing one of the real icons of bubblegum radio pop music interviewing, one of the original, innovative.progressive rock bands… “only in New York”
Allegedly,Phil came back home, one night, telling his wife they had heard all of these potential singers as a replacement for the lead vocal and how desperate the band was, because none of them was going to make it. It was then that she said to him: "Why don't you get the part? You're a good singer, you can do it" But Phil was a drummer, and did not want to leave his comfortable drummer stool. Eventually, he said yes. And from then on, he became Genesis's voice and later had a solo career. But initially, he never wanted to be a singer. How strange life is sometimes...
@@Wyndy57 Well he had a little bit ,for the song "More fool me" during the Selling Eng. tour, but of course that was only for one song not a whole show.
@marguskiis7711 Flaming Youth was a quartet with 4 lead singers. They recorded & released the Ark 2 album. They didn't write that one though. They were commissioned to make that album.
@@Trobtwillis the main singers of FY were still guitarist Caryl and Collins. Both, btw, were auditioned to join Genesis together. Caryl, tho, lasted only one live.
The interviewer was awful: "what were your feelings?", "what was going through your mind?" "How'd you feel?" "What did you think?" The same damn question. Wtf?? Lol
When Peter Gabriel left Genesis, they lost a strong songwriter, a unique lead voice, and an interesting stage performer. He played multiple instruments (voice, flute, oboe, accordion, percussion), he spoke well to the audience & told them stories, he danced & acted out the songs theatrically. However, Rump Genesis still had plenty of song-writing, arranging, and performing talent left. Their continued success is one of the most astounding underdog stories in show biz history.
Not at all objecting Peter's talents, vocals and role in general, that he's proven ever after, in his Genesis years he played: flute and oboe at a mediocre level (his solo part in Supper's Ready is among Genesis weakest instrumental parts ever), percussion - non-essentially (mainly augmenting live sound by kicking a bass drum on stage), piano (at a fair level to support his songwriting but not to really perform, until much later when he mastered that). Accordion? One example, please? (not a photo where he wields one, but a song where he's heard playing one). I agree he is a musical giant, but let's keep some fair proportions. To give an example of fair proportions as I see it: Mike, earlier in his career, was a monster on bass guitar and carved a niche of his own as a 12-string guitarist, was smart and inventive in using bass pedals, had great contribution to arrangements and final spicing/flavoring of the sound thanks to his ear of harmony, but: his backing vocals brought little to the table, his very occasional cello playing was but a footnote to the band history and as a lead guitarist he cleverly formed his own minimalistic style to by-pass his obvious limitations in terms of capability of a typical, prolific, blistering solo playing.
@@greg-warsaw4708 Even if Mike Rutherford is not the top lead guitarist in the world, I do think that he is good. He's a great bass guitarist. You listed a great many different things which he has brought to Genesis. I've heard him do some very good backing vocals at times. Put all those things together with his lyrical & musical compositions, and I think that Mike is an overall really fine musician. I don't remember which song features Peter Gabriel on accordion 🪗. I just remember that he is credited as such on Trespass. To Pete's credit, he never tried to play flute beyond his means. That's why he sounds so good to me. Better to play simple music well than to play fancy music poorly. For example, I think that he sounds great on flute on "Firth of Fifth.". He played one of my favorite melodies perfectly well. It's a Tony Banks melody which is slow & simple and still brilliantly emotive as hell. That's what makes it one of the best lead guitar parts as well as interpreted by Stephen Hackett.
The great Bill Bruford was absolutely the wrong guy for this band. As he himself admitted in later years, he did not want to be pigeonhole as a progressive rock drummer exclusively. Perhaps it took doing this tour to give him not realization. I love Bill‘s drumming, but Chester Thompson, of course was a much better choice to be Phil’s ‘stunt drummer’ and eventually, such an important member of post-Gabriel Genesis in his own right.
NBC!!! Really? This is SUCH a hidden gem. Thanks for uncovering this rarity of rarities!
This was on film. Rare. By 1978 more and more news organizations started using tape. And this was by the NBC, which makes it more rarer.
💙 Wow! 😲 Thankyou for such a rare clip!🥰
"The British PROGRESSIVE ROCK group, Genesis" Sometimes there are debates on the term 'progressive rock' and when it became a common label for prog rock bands, well, this to me is now the earliest usage of the term that I've come across. Nice!
In the late 1960s, there was a television ad for a Jimmi Hendrix Experience album or tour. They showed the band performing while the announcer called them "the most exciting progressive rock group in show business," or something like that.
@@Trobtwillis Wow that is an interesting memory.. yeah Hendrix / Cream / Floyd / Traffic / Soft Machine / The Nice / Procol Harum are surely the collective 'big bang' that kicked it all off.
Both Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford seem comfortable and at ease in their own skins, and they are being good sports, taking somewhat awkward questions from one of the real old generation, rock n roll media figures, the great Cousin Brucie (I’m an old New York guy); strange pairing but Genesis were redirecting and rebuilding the band following the Peter Gabriel era so they wanted to keep things positive and upbeat. This is really interesting, thank you for posting this.
Cousin Brucie was the truth!!! The NYC/NJ area is my home!
Wonderful. Their best year imo aided by Mr Bruford
Yes, I love what Chester brought to the band but Bills sound , eccentric energy and grooves gave an edgy dimension to this era's live sound...I also think Phil seemed to up his game playing alongside Bill, a bit more competitive, whereas Chester's laid back attitude didn't have the same effect on him...
Just my opinion, but Phil looked amazing with a full beard
I think this was the tour that I first saw Genesis.
Sure sounded like Cousin Brucie - I loved him as a kid. Kind of funny hearing one of the real icons of bubblegum radio pop music interviewing, one of the original, innovative.progressive rock bands… “only in New York”
9:17 So ironic that part of the idea of Phil singing on stage apparently came from his first wife from this conversation.
Why is that ironic?
Allegedly,Phil came back home, one night, telling his wife they had heard all of these potential singers as a replacement for the lead vocal and how desperate the band was, because none of them was going to make it. It was then that she said to him: "Why don't you get the part? You're a good singer, you can do it" But Phil was a drummer, and did not want to leave his comfortable drummer stool. Eventually, he said yes. And from then on, he became Genesis's voice and later had a solo career. But initially, he never wanted to be a singer. How strange life is sometimes...
They talk about putting Phil on front surprising but Phil had been already the lead singer on Flaming Youth too!
💙But he was still drumming at the same time. With Genesis, he'd have to give up his precious drums😭 and be front and center on stage.😲 Lol
There’s a difference between Flaming Youth and Genesis, wouldn’t you agree?
@@Wyndy57 Well he had a little bit ,for the song "More fool me" during the Selling Eng. tour, but of course that was only for one song not a whole show.
@marguskiis7711
Flaming Youth was a quartet with 4 lead singers.
They recorded & released the Ark 2 album. They didn't write that one though. They were commissioned to make that album.
@@Trobtwillis the main singers of FY were still guitarist Caryl and Collins. Both, btw, were auditioned to join Genesis together. Caryl, tho, lasted only one live.
I love that around the 7-minute mark Mike says that a band is larger than any solo career. Little did Phil know!
and what about steve hackett?
That's Cousin Brucie asking the questions.
I remember being in Los Angeles around this time and seeing TV commercials for the tour. I wonder if they survived anywhere in a vault?
The interviewer was awful: "what were your feelings?", "what was going through your mind?" "How'd you feel?" "What did you think?" The same damn question. Wtf?? Lol
When Peter Gabriel left Genesis, they lost a strong songwriter, a unique lead voice, and an interesting stage performer. He played multiple instruments (voice, flute, oboe, accordion, percussion), he spoke well to the audience & told them stories, he danced & acted out the songs theatrically.
However, Rump Genesis still had plenty of song-writing, arranging, and performing talent left. Their continued success is one of the most astounding underdog stories in show biz history.
Not at all objecting Peter's talents, vocals and role in general, that he's proven ever after, in his Genesis years he played: flute and oboe at a mediocre level (his solo part in Supper's Ready is among Genesis weakest instrumental parts ever), percussion - non-essentially (mainly augmenting live sound by kicking a bass drum on stage), piano (at a fair level to support his songwriting but not to really perform, until much later when he mastered that). Accordion? One example, please? (not a photo where he wields one, but a song where he's heard playing one). I agree he is a musical giant, but let's keep some fair proportions.
To give an example of fair proportions as I see it: Mike, earlier in his career, was a monster on bass guitar and carved a niche of his own as a 12-string guitarist, was smart and inventive in using bass pedals, had great contribution to arrangements and final spicing/flavoring of the sound thanks to his ear of harmony, but: his backing vocals brought little to the table, his very occasional cello playing was but a footnote to the band history and as a lead guitarist he cleverly formed his own minimalistic style to by-pass his obvious limitations in terms of capability of a typical, prolific, blistering solo playing.
@@greg-warsaw4708
Even if Mike Rutherford is not the top lead guitarist in the world, I do think that he is good. He's a great bass guitarist. You listed a great many different things which he has brought to Genesis. I've heard him do some very good backing vocals at times. Put all those things together with his lyrical & musical compositions, and I think that Mike is an overall really fine musician.
I don't remember which song features Peter Gabriel on accordion 🪗. I just remember that he is credited as such on Trespass.
To Pete's credit, he never tried to play flute beyond his means. That's why he sounds so good to me. Better to play simple music well than to play fancy music poorly. For example, I think that he sounds great on flute on "Firth of Fifth.". He played one of my favorite melodies perfectly well. It's a Tony Banks melody which is slow & simple and still brilliantly emotive as hell. That's what makes it one of the best lead guitar parts as well as interpreted by Stephen Hackett.
Is this video still up on vk? If so, could you please give me the link?
remember to turn the keyboards UP and guitars DOWN for that authentic Genesis muddy mix!
It’s all about Tony 😂 The other members are just there to support him
The interviewer seemed a bit weird.
some of the 'stills' are wrong way round
The great Bill Bruford was absolutely the wrong guy for this band. As he himself admitted in later years, he did not want to be pigeonhole as a progressive rock drummer exclusively. Perhaps it took doing this tour to give him not realization. I love Bill‘s drumming, but Chester Thompson, of course was a much better choice to be Phil’s ‘stunt drummer’ and eventually, such an important member of post-Gabriel Genesis in his own right.
I❤️GENESIS FOR DECADES
So do I - four decades by now.