That was illegal search, they didn't tell you there names and which station they where from. Get crimebadge to sue them on your behalf, £3000 easy money.
@@ianking8315 I think your missing his point. They are not above anyone. They have powers but in this case they did not abide by the legislation that gives them the powers, they did not carry out the search under the terms of the legislation and they conflicted suspicion with reasonable grounds.
@@coylezo100% even if they did have the powers and were right to they should've used the right wording I'm sure you can agree that if they had just changed the words to "reasonable grounds" and then explained them that'd be much more likely to be lawful but as far as I'm aware in UK law I don't think that police are allowed to search you under "suspicion" also is a burglary in the area really reasonable enough grounds? If he was wearing a balaclava of course that'd be a reasonable thing to do
@@itshahriar4595 That’s incorrect. It’s not down to him to ask, it’s their responsibility to provide it. Before conducting a search they must provide their name, police station they’re attached to, their reasonable grounds for the search, what they expect to find and which law they are searching under. They must also inform you that you’re entitled to a copy of the search record. There are a few variations to the above under certain circumstances but that’s the general stop & search procedure which covers most situations, such as the one in this video. It’s also worth noting that you’re not obliged to speak to the police or provide your details (unless you’ve been stopped driving a vehicle or have committed an offence).
Do they not also need to say he's "being detained for the purposes of a search"? Technically they never ONCE said he was being "detained" so surely the law would allow him to just walk away?
My mate works as a chef for a hotel he finishes work at 2am some times 3am the guests arrive at odd times ...he has to feed them .... Hes been arrested 15 plus times.. suspected of theft robbery drug trafficking etc etc so clearly police intelligence doesnt work at any level.
These coppers should be named and shamed... before they carry on with their nonsense and abuse, always get their details... name, number and what police station they are from and keep asking until they give it... don't answer any questions and ask them to stop molesting themselves while they question you... hands where you can see them, at all times.
As an American.. that would have gone very different for the cops if they had tried that here in the US... Stop and Frisk is ILLEGAL... basic human rights are absolute shit in the UK! Without Probable Cause these cops just violated this mans rights!
They take the piss,they laugh at you when you complain and there's nothing you can do about it. Perhaps they need to bring in a law were you get an automatic compensation payment when you get stopped and searched and nothing is found,the police would be bankrupt in a month.
Just because an attempted burglary as happened in an area dose not give them reasonable suspicion to search random people in the street. If you fit the description of the burglar then you could call that reasonable but this idiot said if there were other people in the street he would search them as well and that's wrong.
I love that these scumbags ask "what's the issue if you don't have anything on you?" as a justification for breaching the guy's rights. And they wonder why nobody likes them.
Once again the police have failed to comply with their obligations under part a of pace making the search unlawful and meaning that the officer is committing assault and unlawful imprisonment. How can we expect the police to uphold the law when they have no regard for the ones that govern them?!?
This should be a go to video used for training, on how NOT to conduct a search, and interaction with the public. Any half-arsed solicitor worth there salt, would have a field day with it.
suspicion without proof is evidence of "nothing" reasonable suspicion is more than a hunch bet less than proof "belief" is based only on un confirmed information,, so the person (PC) declaring the "belief" is hedging his/her bet as to whether the "belief" is correct BUT he only mentioned "Suspicion" not "Belief" there has to 2 parts PC must do before a lawful legal search and that is here below:- 1 suspicion 2 grounds PACE code of practice :- A 2.2 (i) Firstly, the officer must have formed a genuine suspicion in their own mind that they will find the object for which the search power being exercised allows them to search (ii) Secondly, the suspicion that the object will be found must be reasonable. This means that there must be an objective basis for that suspicion based on facts, information and/or intelligence which are relevant to the likelihood that the object in question will be found, so that a reasonable person would be entitled to reach the same conclusion based on the same facts and information and/or intelligence. if these 2 parts are not met then it is unlawful search and unlawful detainment and breach of HRA section 5 which being unlawful s detainment is "Kidnap" www.gov.uk/government/publications/pace-code-a-2015 further more PC did not give you "GOWISELY" if all of "GOWISELY" not met, it is unlawful search,, unlawful detainment and again breach HRA section 5 www.shoutoutuk.org/2013/03/28/gowisely/ to finish off::: suspicion on it's own is NOT enough for a "lawful search" Aa we know from this video the "suspicion" can/is of NOTHING Belief is/can be stronger than suspicion but Belief can cast "doubt" where is the receipt for the search !!! (no name is need ) PC now wont write it up, naughty (uho) (paperwork) do SAR WHAT THEY HAVE ON YOU ,,NOTES, VIDEO , PAPERWORK ECT (without redaction) stay safe de Bill
Illegal search, he did not follow correct procedure for a stop and search. Illegal detention as well and intimidation, ' I bloody well will" compensation starts at £500. Contact crimebodge for advice!
I hope this guy sued, they must give reason for search, name and department which they are from, give a record of the search. Not use excessive force and take person's dignity into account
Plod - "What's your name"? Citizen - "Why"? Plod - "Because we've just had an attempted burglary round the corner"! Thoughts....hmmmm, that was nice of the burglar to leave his name so that plod would know exactly who done it!!!!!
0:24 What's the burglar's name? Tell me his name, and I'll tell you mine. If you don't know his name, there's no way knowing mine can aid your investigation, is there?
A sergeant stop searched me because there had been burglaries in the area the previous night even though he had stopped me 5 mins beforehand asking for my name and address which I gave and finding out I had no criminal record lol
It sounds like this happened in the UK. In the United States if you have a Screw driver in your pocket you would be arrested for Having burglary tools. That happened to me but I had a Reason to have the tools I just got off work on my way home and I carry different small tools in my pocket but once they seen my van they just turned and walked away my van had the company name on the side. They still could arrested me but it would of been dropped and I could of Sued them.
Have you not put in complaints yet? Cause it seems like cops are waiting in the area for you to leave your house and they watch you then they come and search you knowing that you just left the house or something, If you leave your house at the same time every night try changing the time you leave maybe earlier or even later.
Attorneys/Lawsuits FOIA and Videos for your Attorneys to view on behalf also ask your Attorneys for their business cards and get their names and badges and if they don’t have 😷 masks and gloves 🧤 let your Attorneys know ( health reasons also it’s against the law) asap if they want your information give them your Attorneys card so your Attorneys can speak on behalf also get incidents information of being threatened, (Silence is Golden)🛐🙏
This section does not give a constable power to search a person or vehicle or anything in or on a vehicle unless he has reasonable grounds for suspecting that he will find stolen or prohibited articles!
If the person that reported a possible burglary by a man that came to his front door what was the description? Did the description match the person they stopped and searched? They straight out lied saying all they needed to know what was in his pockets then he could go, but they went through everything! Just saying 🤔
She keeps saying that if he doesn't have anything in his pockets it doesn't matter if they search him. I assume she will be ok with him looking through their pockets then, after all they have nothing to hide so why is it an issue.
Y r they looking for articles to break in when the person knocked then tried the door ? The person must have chapped the door with a screwdriver or crowbar 😂😂😂
It's not 'reasonable suspicion' to search merely because a crime has been committed. It must meet the 'reasonable' test. Do you meet the description of the perb? Have you been seen coming from the house in of the crime, or seen carrying a object that matches the description of something that was stolen
The pathetic thing is the "police" will count this as a win. "We couldn't catch, nor could we give a fuck about the actual suspect....as long as we got to fuck with an innocent member of the public our job is done". >:(
"If you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to worry about". Then why bother even giving us civil rights if the gestapo can just run up on us and rifle through our pockets at will? Hope you made a complaint at minimum!!!
Now that we've searched you and found no burglary tools we are going to hang around to search you again. Maybe just say "Know English" with the first encounter and remain completely silent thereafter?
You should have asked for a copy of the record of the search, the officers names and numbers, incident number of the attempted burglary. Take further action!!!!! As for their attitude and distain for the public, was reflected in their tone, manner and comments. He also stated that he would be harassing you if he saw you again in the area. That’s a very strong case there my friend.
They do not need consent to search you. They must only have reasonable grounds to search you to suspect you carry something illegal like a gun or knife or drugs. They also follow a policy of they must give their name and collar number and station they are from and grounds for the search
That was illegal search, they didn't tell you there names and which station they where from. Get crimebadge to sue them on your behalf, £3000 easy money.
Say mums I can get 3 bags for them doing that
* their names
People like you that’s wrong with the snowflake society
No court will award you £3000 for a technically unlawful search. £1500 max
Their
Always acting as if they're above us, just because they're wearing wearing a uniform and carry a badge.
unfortunately they are above us in certain situations as they have the backing of the law and the government on their side.
@@ianking8315 I think your missing his point. They are not above anyone. They have powers but in this case they did not abide by the legislation that gives them the powers, they did not carry out the search under the terms of the legislation and they conflicted suspicion with reasonable grounds.
@@coylezo100% even if they did have the powers and were right to they should've used the right wording I'm sure you can agree that if they had just changed the words to "reasonable grounds" and then explained them that'd be much more likely to be lawful but as far as I'm aware in UK law I don't think that police are allowed to search you under "suspicion" also is a burglary in the area really reasonable enough grounds? If he was wearing a balaclava of course that'd be a reasonable thing to do
When searching you they were required to give their names and which station they’re from, plus also offer you a record of the search.
Only if he requests so…otherwise they don’t have to…only time they must identify themselves first its if they carry out a strip search
@@itshahriar4595 That’s incorrect. It’s not down to him to ask, it’s their responsibility to provide it. Before conducting a search they must provide their name, police station they’re attached to, their reasonable grounds for the search, what they expect to find and which law they are searching under. They must also inform you that you’re entitled to a copy of the search record. There are a few variations to the above under certain circumstances but that’s the general stop & search procedure which covers most situations, such as the one in this video. It’s also worth noting that you’re not obliged to speak to the police or provide your details (unless you’ve been stopped driving a vehicle or have committed an offence).
Do they not also need to say he's "being detained for the purposes of a search"? Technically they never ONCE said he was being "detained" so surely the law would allow him to just walk away?
My mate works as a chef for a hotel he finishes work at 2am some times 3am the guests arrive at odd times ...he has to feed them ....
Hes been arrested 15 plus times.. suspected of theft robbery drug trafficking etc etc so clearly police intelligence doesnt work at any level.
Meanwhile the real burglar is long gone
I guarantee there’s was no burglar...
Because some moron was wasting police time.
These coppers should be named and shamed... before they carry on with their nonsense and abuse, always get their details... name, number and what police station they are from and keep asking until they give it... don't answer any questions and ask them to stop molesting themselves while they question you... hands where you can see them, at all times.
3:53 Wow, did she just admit that she would search every single person out on the street. Wow, just wow.
Suspicion isn't a crime
Always get the faces of police in the videos. They hate having their mugs exposed on youtube.
PRESS CHARGES AGAINST THEM
Fuck off. Your type deserve to be searched
@@tommyscott8390 your deluded XD
Everyone is "suspicious". Sodding coppers.
Abusers always blame their victims
That’s a bloody good point well said mate !!!.
As an American.. that would have gone very different for the cops if they had tried that here in the US... Stop and Frisk is ILLEGAL... basic human rights are absolute shit in the UK! Without Probable Cause these cops just violated this mans rights!
They take the piss,they laugh at you when you complain and there's nothing you can do about it.
Perhaps they need to bring in a law were you get an automatic compensation payment when you get stopped and searched and nothing is found,the police would be bankrupt in a month.
It depends on what it is.
Bully police with a bad attitude.
Just because an attempted burglary as happened in an area dose not give them reasonable suspicion to search random people in the street. If you fit the description of the burglar then you could call that reasonable but this idiot said if there were other people in the street he would search them as well and that's wrong.
What have you done so far to hold any of these treasonous cowards accountable? Have you filed any of the lawsuits yet?
Complete and utter incompetence. I can't believe the police in the UK really think they know the law. This is disgusting.
As soon as I saw the female...yep the other cop wants to impress her.
Burntwood76 lol
yes he wants her badly.
I love that these scumbags ask "what's the issue if you don't have anything on you?" as a justification for breaching the guy's rights.
And they wonder why nobody likes them.
Put a complaint on officer 78355.
On articulate reasonable suspicion of a crime.
And you got manhandled...?
Once again the police have failed to comply with their obligations under part a of pace making the search unlawful and meaning that the officer is committing assault and unlawful imprisonment.
How can we expect the police to uphold the law when they have no regard for the ones that govern them?!?
This should be a go to video used for training, on how NOT to conduct a search, and interaction with the public. Any half-arsed solicitor worth there salt, would have a field day with it.
Their
Filed complaint? Lawsuit? Done something about it?
Waste of time, waste of money, you can never win, they will get their revenge.
As if the Essex police would react so quickly to a burglary!!!!
suspicion without proof is evidence of "nothing"
reasonable suspicion is more than a hunch bet less than proof
"belief" is based only on un confirmed information,,
so the person (PC) declaring the "belief" is hedging his/her bet as to
whether the "belief" is correct
BUT he only mentioned "Suspicion" not "Belief"
there has to 2 parts PC must do before a lawful legal search and that is here below:-
1 suspicion
2 grounds
PACE code of practice :-
A 2.2
(i)
Firstly, the officer must have formed a genuine suspicion in their own mind that they will find the object for which the search power being exercised allows them to search
(ii) Secondly, the suspicion that the object will be found must be reasonable.
This means that there must be an objective basis for that suspicion based on facts, information
and/or intelligence which are relevant to the likelihood that the object in question will be found,
so that a reasonable person would be entitled to reach the same conclusion based on the same facts and information and/or intelligence.
if these 2 parts are not met then it is unlawful search and unlawful detainment and breach of HRA section 5
which being unlawful s detainment is "Kidnap"
www.gov.uk/government/publications/pace-code-a-2015
further more PC did not give you "GOWISELY" if all of "GOWISELY" not met, it is unlawful search,, unlawful detainment and again breach HRA section 5
www.shoutoutuk.org/2013/03/28/gowisely/
to finish off::: suspicion on it's own is NOT enough for a "lawful search"
Aa we know from this video the "suspicion" can/is of NOTHING
Belief is/can be stronger than suspicion but Belief can cast "doubt"
where is the receipt for the search !!! (no name is need )
PC now wont write it up, naughty (uho) (paperwork)
do SAR WHAT THEY HAVE ON YOU ,,NOTES, VIDEO , PAPERWORK ECT (without redaction)
stay safe
de Bill
If you want my home address then all you have to do is let me know yours then we'll both be on our way.
Better yet, you want my name so you know if I'm your suspect? Well, what's your suspect's name? Tell me his name, I'll give you my ID.
The cop was willing to stand all night and argue.....meanwhile the burglar is getting away!
Stepping on the cracks in the pavement is going to become a hanging offence
Speeding while walking that's gunna be a life sentence
Guilty until proven innocent as always. No probable cause. They never offered to bring the person who reported it
Completely illegal search, failed to comply with any of the procedural rules which makes it automatically unlawful.
I love how English people talk so polite but yet so blunt
Illegal search, he did not follow correct procedure for a stop and search. Illegal detention as well and intimidation, ' I bloody well will" compensation starts at £500. Contact crimebodge for advice!
He reminds me of the police officer who searched me 6 times last year.
THEY ABUSED YOU BY TOUCHING YOU
looked like a nice area never see them in a rough estate very often.
That’s not good enough suspicion has to come from a source!
Should of asked the police if you could search them, as they are in the area too.
And cops are known to be criminals
@@adcas1238 yes they are
You need to make a complaint.
I'm pretty sure i would have defended myself with extreme prejudice.
Lawsuit, sue these pigs now
I hope this guy sued, they must give reason for search, name and department which they are from, give a record of the search. Not use excessive force and take person's dignity into account
Just walk don't stop , Don't answer. If detained press charges if you can in the UK!
Plod - "What's your name"?
Citizen - "Why"?
Plod - "Because we've just had an attempted burglary round the corner"!
Thoughts....hmmmm, that was nice of the burglar to leave his name so that plod would know exactly who done it!!!!!
0:24 What's the burglar's name? Tell me his name, and I'll tell you mine. If you don't know his name, there's no way knowing mine can aid your investigation, is there?
As soon as he reaches for your pockets, you reach for his pockets. See what happens.
I dunno. I think that kind of treatment would send me into a blind rage.
When you say you are a member of the public then you agree to their acts! You are a private man....end of bro
A sergeant stop searched me because there had been burglaries in the area the previous night even though he had stopped me 5 mins beforehand asking for my name and address which I gave and finding out I had no criminal record lol
It sounds like this happened in the UK. In the United States if you have a Screw driver in your pocket you would be arrested for Having burglary tools. That happened to me but I had a Reason to have the tools I just got off work on my way home and I carry different small tools in my pocket but once they seen my van they just turned and walked away my van had the company name on the side. They still could arrested me but it would of been dropped and I could of Sued them.
Something like this happened to me but instead of a car they came on horses 😂😂
Have you not put in complaints yet? Cause it seems like cops are waiting in the area for you to leave your house and they watch you then they come and search you knowing that you just left the house or something, If you leave your house at the same time every night try changing the time you leave maybe earlier or even later.
Attorneys/Lawsuits FOIA and Videos for your Attorneys to view on behalf also ask your Attorneys for their business cards and get their names and badges and if they don’t have 😷 masks and gloves 🧤 let your Attorneys know ( health reasons also it’s against the law) asap if they want your information give them your Attorneys card so your Attorneys can speak on behalf also get incidents information of being threatened, (Silence is Golden)🛐🙏
The shit they get away with in tea & crumpets land is crazy. Their cops are truly the feelings police.
That female copper knows nothing of law cmm
Happy to stand there all night and argue but there’s just been a burglary🤷♂️🤬🐷🐷
Suspicion means exactly that and is not enough to search someone, has to be reasonable suspicion which the cop clearly doesn’t get
Just carry a mouse trap in your pocket when he puts his hand in your pocket he will have the shock of his life and a broken finger
Always as for the paperwork to hold them up a little ;)
This is victimisation. The tyrants have nothing better to do.
Good cop bad cop. They not looking for crimes they are the crime..
I don’t understand why ppl don’t just comply with them… you’d be done within literally 2 mins 🤦♂️
she was literally quoting lines straight from 30s Germany and you think that's okay.....
Meanwhile the lady with the Zimmer frame still burgling the house next door now. Police are so corrupt.
"we have full grounds to grope and touch you up for no apparent reason." WTF!!!
Surely that is illegal,has this been passed to crimebodge.
This section does not give a constable power to search a person or vehicle or anything in or on a vehicle unless he has reasonable grounds for suspecting that he will find stolen or prohibited articles!
If the person that reported a possible burglary by a man that came to his front door what was the description? Did the description match the person they stopped and searched? They straight out lied saying all they needed to know what was in his pockets then he could go, but they went through everything! Just saying 🤔
She keeps saying that if he doesn't have anything in his pockets it doesn't matter if they search him. I assume she will be ok with him looking through their pockets then, after all they have nothing to hide so why is it an issue.
Y r they looking for articles to break in when the person knocked then tried the door ? The person must have chapped the door with a screwdriver or crowbar 😂😂😂
If the bloke was knocking on doors, what was he supposed to have in his pockets
A door bell😂
A persons dressed is not reasonable suspicion to search someone under PACE
Violation of 1st amendment rights ! Violation of 4th amendment rights ! I smell a Lawsuiit !
It's not 'reasonable suspicion' to search merely because a crime has been committed. It must meet the 'reasonable' test. Do you meet the description of the perb? Have you been seen coming from the house in of the crime, or seen carrying a object that matches the description of something that was stolen
The pathetic thing is the "police" will count this as a win. "We couldn't catch, nor could we give a fuck about the actual suspect....as long as we got to fuck with an innocent member of the public our job is done". >:(
So because there is a burglary around the neighbourhood every citizen looses their rights.
Bloody is not a swear word
Male constable with hand in pocket. What is he hiding
think he was thinking of the female public servant.
Today's coppers should be ashamed of themselves
Very eager to find the burglar.
No wonder the gap between cops and public is getting wider and wider.
They actually made life easy they made him empty his own pockets not everyone gets that privilege
*FILE CHARGES AGAINST THE FOOLS and A LAWSUIT*
Crime prevents Crime!!!!
there are definitely a lot of people that would just love to stick some knives into these fucking criminal scumbags!
"If you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to worry about". Then why bother even giving us civil rights if the gestapo can just run up on us and rifle through our pockets at will? Hope you made a complaint at minimum!!!
Now that we've searched you and found no burglary tools we are going to hang around to search you again. Maybe just say "Know English" with the first encounter and remain completely silent thereafter?
'No English'(know English means ' I know English'
Illegal to have keys, which help you get excess to a house........
You should have asked for a copy of the record of the search, the officers names and numbers, incident number of the attempted burglary. Take further action!!!!! As for their attitude and distain for the public, was reflected in their tone, manner and comments. He also stated that he would be harassing you if he saw you again in the area. That’s a very strong case there my friend.
No suspicion just his ego and because he wants to show his authority to the bint with him.
put in a complaint, and get proof that a attempted burglary was reported
They need consent to search
They do not need consent to search you. They must only have reasonable grounds to search you to suspect you carry something illegal like a gun or knife or drugs. They also follow a policy of they must give their name and collar number and station they are from and grounds for the search
@@koreygunter2011 correct.
@@ianking8315 absolutely mate :)
@@koreygunter2011 which they didn’t have or provide.
Suspicion isnt a crime
I'm not your BLOODY MATE!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
That’s the 1st fupa I’ve seen on an officer
If you don’t sue don’t expect change
The officers is getting a stiffy ( getting hard bulling , he had to hold it to walk away I had the same problem as a toddler )
So their employ officers like this!!!!
I didnt realize you loose rights when you're in an area?
File complaint and law suit or expect it to continue
Your in an area were there has been an incident, yep turn around and ask if you can search them as they are in the area too.