One point not made here is that had Ken Miles won LeMans that year, he would have been the only person to win the 12 Hours of Sebring, 24 hours of Daytona, and the 24 hours of LaMans in the same year. But I also wondered what happened to those laps ahead he was. I'm glad it was talked about here.
I believe that Miles was screwed by both the senior managers at Ford and the LeMons people who also may or may not have reacted to Ford management desires.
Despite the discrepancies, I loved Ford vs Ferrari. Say what you will, the movie did reach non motorsport folks. I can say my wife enjoyed it and said it was nothing like she thought itd be. Even a tear shed at the end from her. Good job on this guys. 👍👍
I still think had they not brought up that stupid photo finish Ken would have won n history would have still turned out the same! Props to Peter Miles for being such a Humble n Reserved human being. It's sad that his father past away in that accident bc I'm sure that kept peter from becoming just like his father. God bless Ken Miles
The top brass knew it would rob Ken of the victory, it was just idiotic company politics....And everyone who knows what's what, he won in car he built....
I think whatever happened still worked out fine. Maybe if Ken HAD won, he wouldn’t have had a movie made after him. Maybe less people would’ve known about him without the controversy. At the end of the day, everyone knows he deserves it, so whatever’s written in the books don’t matter. It’s like when a well deserved movie or music album doesn’t win the Oscars/Grammys. As long as everyone knows it’s good, the records don’t matter.
I think in depth interview with Peter Miles dedicated to his father legacy needs to be told. The real story between both Ken Miles and Carrol Shelby. What his father said after Le Mans. Peter had to give his perspective to the movie. This story should have been told long ago. Sadly, we have to assume.
It would have turned out the same for everyone other than Ken and is family, but that matters little to everyone else. The fact it's taken this movie to make ken a name that lots of casual fans are just recognising when it should have been one that was recognised back then especially with all the work he did on the gt350....
My father was an engineer at ford and I am trying to find out if he was involved in the program the reason I wonder is that in 1966 he was allowed to bring home a gt to show his family and give joy rides.
@@positrack99 it’s a movie!!!! Movies are entertainment, nothing more. It’s a shame people put so much into entertainment. No where does it say it’s a documentary!!! Stop putting faith in Hollywood entertainment.
I remember meeting Ken Miles at Sebring. I was 12 years old at the time, my first time there was in 1959. I remember my heroes, mostly European drivers of course back then, but seeing Ken hustle thru the hairpin.......
@@ralphjones1930 That was a great year! Ken Miles and Lloyd Ruby won that driving the #1 Ford X1. In all ways it was a Ford GT, yet they called it the X1. Next year they introduced the monster, Ford MK IV. That was the car they rolled out at the end of the movie. Those things sounded much different because of the huge engine Ford had put in both of those cars. I've said this before...it's a shame that in the Ford V Ferrari movie, ya never really got to hear that car at full song, it was just amazing!
Come see a GT-40 at the weekly Saturday Cars and Coffee at the San Clemente shopping mall. It’s free and nearly always beautiful weather here in Sunny Southern California
The best part of this movie was getting to see all of these beautiful cars being driven hard like they should! I was only 1 year old when this movie takes place so I really appreciate getting to see some of my favorite cars in their natural habitat!
I was 14 when the 917's made their first go at Sebring, it was just after the 24 hour race at Daytona; those cars overwhelmed all of my senses. The Matra's, the Ferrari's, the Porsche's, the Ford's, Alfa, on and on...Sebring has changed, but it's still the same. Steve McQueen said it best, "Racing is life, everything else is just waiting." The sounds were incredible, and in the early years, so we're the smells!
I was 16, and as a side note Jim Hall’s Chevy powered Chaparrals were a revalation, 2 speed automatics and the first aero wing. What a sight! Jim Hall and Hap Sharp were Texas oil wildcats.
@@clu4u Weren't they something to see! I was the same age, when I watched them run at Sebring! I remember standing just past the exit of the Hairpin wanting to hear what they sounded like when these cars upshifted!?! The #68 Homet Turbine engine was another unforgettable car to hear! It really sounded like a jet taking off.
Motor sport in the 1960s must have been awe-inspiring. Can-am series and these wonderful cars in the le mans races. When they invent a time machine, I'm going back to take it all in.
i cant imagine the feelings of peter his son , seeing the movie and how they portrayed the father son relationship making him relive those memories the happy and heartbreaking ones , me myself it was hard to forgive the betrayal and the scheme ford did to ken so I cant even think about the emotions he felt , rip legend ken miles 🕊
I watched the movie for the first time the other day . Something that came to mind was the fact the GT 40 was originally designed and built in England due to their experience in European racing . The GT40 did not become the race winning car it was until after the original engine was switched out to the Ford 427 and the tweaks at Shelby's shop . I drew a comparison to the P51 Mustang airframe being designed and built in the US but it did not become the superior fighter it was until the English Rolls Royce was installed in England . Both of these fine engineering examples were at the design pinnacle for their day and benefitted from collaboration between English and American technology. And the rest is history ....
The original gt40 was a development of the Lola gt. Eric broadley was contracted to develop and build the gt40's. But he found working for Ford to stifling and baled out. Ford then set up Ford AVO to build the examples for road and track use. It is a pity that the English involvement tends to be airbrushed out of the Shelby succes story. But Shelby certainly had a great team of guys with him.
@@JohnCunningham-sy5ug This came later the first Merlin engines were fitted to the Mustang airframe in England (as an experiment ) which vastly improved the performance of the P-51.
There is an excellent book out about Ken Miles years with Shelby. It was done by Dave Friedman, one of racing's best ever photographers. There is a picture in it taken shortly after the race where you can clearly see the official scoreboard over Miles' shoulder. It clearly shows Ken Miles in first by one lap over second place. Get a copy & see for yourself.
@@joestephan1111 THANK YOU ! I paid $65.00 for the book just to see that picture. We all had Ford GT 40 slot cars in the mid '60's. If Miles had slowed by 10 seconds a lap at 23 hours he would still have been a lap up.I did the math.
Great movie! I was doubtful about watching this film, wondering what Hollywood would make of it - but the pairing of Matt Damon and Christian Bale was inspired, and lifted the already brilliantly choreographed action scenes onto another level... very enjoyable
My wife was the same. I am an ex racer and had spent years trying to explain to her what racing means and how important it is. She just couldn't get it. She did get it after watching that film.
If organizers allowed it people would do the same today or even worse, pretty sure there would be couple of idiots who would try to cross the track midrace to get better place for selfie. But if there was accident back then it would be the idiot's fault and nobody else would be blamed, these days idiots that put themselves at risk with their own stupidity sue organizers and usually get away with fat check. The world was better when society did not protect and reward idiots.
About time that someone documented and proved that’s the McLaren/Hulme car clearly crossed the line first. Much different to all the urban myths getting around. Plus not one photo I have ever seen shows the #1 car crossing the line first… Nice words from Miles son.
Like any based on true events movie, you're going to have a lot of poetic licenses thrown in. Many times, because real life isn't nearly as dramatic as movies portray and nobody is going to the movies to watch themselves have a boring day in their boring lives. The core of this movie got the right parts right and that was the intense Ford v. Ferrari rivalry ... which caused Ford to develop the coolest Ford ever to this very day, lol. And a lot of people got to learn a little something about a great race car driver they'd probably never even heard of before this movie.
It seems to me then this movie and in this documentary everybody has forgotten the three new zealanders that were in these cars and chief among them Bruce McLaren an absolute Legend and the father of the McLaren motor racing team and an absolute Automotive genius Chris Amon genius driver and Denny holme a name that in New Zealand is legendary now I may be a little bit biased because I am a kiwi and and we love tonight Vehicles go fast whether it's cars motorbikes or boats
how does this channel only have 300 subs?? someone from motorsportimages send me a note. Even with just images from your archives I can make you some classics.
@@barrakliberal8539 check the date, he sent that 6 months ago so it very well could have only been 300 subs, there’s no reason to be rude like that either
Watch Shelby be interviewed about Le Mans, it was not Ford or his VP, but Shelby that instigated it and it was one of his biggest regrets. th-cam.com/video/Rzq4DeTjZ1A/w-d-xo.html
I filmed Chris Amon a number of times and you can tell he was a bit pissed with the whole "Ken was robbed" narrative. He said they would have won easily if they hadn't been following team instructions after the last Ferrari was out to drive slower, instructions that Ken mostly ignored. Also while he didn't put it past McLaren to give it a burst at the end he said the car had a sticking accelerator and McLaren was having to put his foot under it to control the speed so keeping at a constant speed at the end was a bit difficult, it may not have been intentional. If you want to know who was robbed have a look at the drives who won the race for Ford but were dropped the next year so Ford could have an American driver win the race. Then ignored by the film.
@Stephen Press - The drivers that were dropped weren't "robbed". It was common place then for drivers to be dropped, picked up. Ferrari, Aston Martin and others did this almost routinely. The "Deuce" was obviously aware of the chatter that Ford won in '66 due to the involvement and help by the Brits. Understandably, he wanted an American built car driven by American drivers to win - an all American victory. If he still had foreign drivers behind the wheel in '67, the talk would have been Ford only won because of the great foreign drivers. The Deuce had more smarts and foresight than many gave him credit for. Shelby was one of the ones who had great respect for HFll and was quoted saying "He knew a hell of a lot more about how that company should be run than he was given credit for."
@@Loulovesspeed I don't disagree. Nobody was robbed (including Miles) it was just Ford doing what was best for their brand... I guess my issue is three of the drivers who finished in the first two cars were from New Zealand and the film gets an Australian actor to give one line... :)
@@cameragod1 - What can I tell you? Write to the producers of the film. There were a good deal of people/situations, etc that the movie didn't cover, yet it was still 2 1/2 hrs. long.
Funny how they spared only 1 sentence about Remingtons revolutionary quick brake change system. That had a major impact on the development of the race, and a clear advantage to Ford.
I believe Remington's contribution was quick change brake pads. Holman Moody designed the entire quick change brake system including rotors. Yes, it absolutely had a major affect, and I believe Shelby even said without that brake system, the MKll would have never won the race!
We'll only ever have what we watched, we'll never know what happened behind closed doors. But even though mcclaren won we are all still talking about Ken why because as Christian says he was purest n the perfect lap was all that really mattered to Ken(now I can't speak for ken,n I'm sure the victory would of been nice,but there's always another race another trophy). Sure u can have shelves full of trophies but only a small percentage of those wins can you say "I really drove a perfect lap/race". U can come dead last but if you've driven your perfect lap u can smile n be happy with yourself. Different racing back then, raw no electronics. These days it's seems to easy because so much of the car/bike/boat etc is helping u.
Agreed. I think first of all he did for Himself and maybe for his son and Shelby. Second he show what he can do to Ford. The rest doesn’t really matter to him because he knows he is the best driver of this race, so as Ford knew.
@@bill2953agrree, but he didn't admit "the movie had little to do with fact" far from it. why "equate" him saying its hard to distil someone's life into two hours and come out with "little to do with fact" that's a bit OTT to be honest. That said, i see your point, and agree. There's no good reasoning behind that other chap's statement, it's only what he personally want's to believe, which "equates" i suppose to you listening to damon's statement and assuming what you want to believe in the face of that not actually being what he said but what you want to believe.
@@DAGATHire Right on... However, even though we agree the movie was 75% fiction it was the "over the top Hollywood" that annoyed the piss outta me. Downshifting twice on the back straight at Daytona?? wtf is that? lol But obviously that sort of thing is a lot of people's taste for entertainment where I found it trite. Oh well
I agree 100% with this statement --> 11:09 and it is why I _prefer_ documentaries. You can fit much more info. into the same amount of time and even discuss any controversies.
@@roberthall6560 I think I stated my point lol A heavy weight fighting in a light weight division lol. Thats the point. Now we have restrictions to keep a level playing field and more exciting racing for different engine classes.
You conveniently left out that the Ferrari was a 12 cylinder and the Ford was an 8 cylinder. Don't forget Enzo Ferrari was in charge of the rules(which he conveniently altered when needed). He allowed the 427 Ford basically because he figured it was junk and had no chance.
You should have mentioned that those little engines came back a year later at Daytona and blew away a huge field of Fords for that famous 1+2+3 win and Chris Amon who was one of the Lemans Ford winning drivers was driving for Ferrari that day., the only Ford with any pace the Mclaren car I think limped home, none of the other GT40 survived from memory that’s 60’s racing for you.
My friends who arent super into motorsports both loved it. If it brings more people to the world of racing its a win for me. Even my buddy's wife loved it.
@@zks2341 good point. I have my preferences and favorites like anyone, but I love that different countries and cultures each offer something good for car culture.
@@zks2341 I forgot to mention the AC Cobra and the Aston Martins are some of what I think are the most beautiful cars. I'm going to see if a friend of my friend will let me sit in his cobra so I can have my American Whiskey in my Italian glass in the British car.
@@zks2341 That is true. But with American funding. I know that the 1st 1965 GT40 was designed in Ford UK with help of Lola, but for the 1966 GT40 it was taken to Dearborn Michigan to further test the car to make sure that it will last for 24hrs. Ford put the ZF gearbox in their lab with a robotic arm to simulate countless gear changes, and then put the engine in an engine testing rig (at that time the most advanced testing rig for engine simulation) for further improvement and tests, the same testing rig used to improve the Cosworth DFV. Then with Shelby American for additional scoops to improve cooling, and improve the aerodynamics of the GT40.
I miss my 63MG. Had it when i was 17, drove it like i was 35, and it ran better at 9000ft than 6500ft alt and above 4500rpm is where i kept it as often as possible!
@@christopherhale5445 Both movies are the greatest. McQueen Le Mans is almost a documentary. I remember having a huge size Porche 917 poster (gulf livery) in my room in nthe 70s. An Grand Prix had all the drama.
I really enjoyed the movie...and it refueled the interest for that era of racing for people not even alive then.....I knew going in that the movie was going to be a Hollywood type movie....but i loved seeing the classic cars up on the big screen....again....like in Le Mans and Grand Prix.....that was raw racing....and low technology ...and low safety too......crazy scary and big balls racing ....
The claim that Ford won Lemans 3 additional times is not entirely accurate. Ford won the 1967 race with the Ford MKIV with Dan Gurney and A J Foyt driving. But in 1968 & 1969 John Wyer Racing won Lemans in heavily modified GT40's called Gulf-Wyers (hence the famous blue & orange colors) after Ford officially dropped out of running Lemans after 1967.
The car was basically a Lola (English) with a Ford engine (US). Lola doesn’t get the credit it deserves. Without Lola there would have been no Le Mans wins. It also has to be said vis versa. Together attained one of racings greatest achievements.
It's impossible to take a moment in history, especially one that covered years, and condense it down to just 2 hours, yet still be entertaining. The best you can hope for is to get the emotions, the tensions, and the thrill of auto racing mixed in with the main facts. The title, "Ford v Ferrari" tells you what it's about, while the characters/people takes you there. I saw the movie strictly because it was about the GT40 race car, and not because they beat Ferrari with it. That part was a bonus. Was it 100% accurate? No movie ever is, that would make it a documentary.....a very long documentary. I've seen it many times and will see it many times after this.
I have to agree. I got to watch *"Ford vs. Ferrari",* in a movie theatre, and as entertaining as it was, I've often wondered how much of the movie *really* happened, and how much were liberties taken by movie producers. For instance, I loved that one scene where Carroll Shelby took Henry Ford II for a ride in the GT40 race car, and his Ford II's reaction afterwards, him bawling like a baby. Did that *really* happen, or was that just for the movie?
@@jasoncarpp7742 Most of the movie material was accurate, but seeing that movies are made for entertainment first, they "spice" it up in places with non factual scenes, comments, etc. to make the movie appeal to a bigger audience - movie making, after all, is a business. The Deuce's ride in the GT40 with Shelby, Shelby locking Beebe in the office, HF ll speech at the factory, and Enzo being in the stands are just some of the added material that never really happened. If you would like to see a good documentary, I would strongly suggest "Go Like Hell", by A.J. Baime. No Hollywood hype in this one!
@@Loulovesspeed Thanks. I'll have to check it out. As entertaining as *"Ford vs. Ferrari"* was, I knew some scenes in the movie couldn't have happened in real life. As much as I like to be entertained, that's why we go to the movies after all, I particularly like to learn about the real people and events the movie was about.
@@khaoticpenguin3945 I wasn't sure what Deuce was feeling throughout the demo ride. I imagine he was like *"Ohhhhh shiiiiitttt!"* and *"Please don't let me diiiieee!"*
It is a great shame that the vast majority of people who watched the "Ford v Ferrari" movie, believe it to be factually accurate. "Ford v Ferrari" is a Hollywood movie, and its purpose is to entertain, not educate. It is riddled with inaccuracies. To understand the truth, watch a documentary or read a book about the 1966 Le Mans 24 Hour.
The ones who were genuinely interested in the truth after watching the movie would of dug deeper afterwards. Movies based on true stories are never 100% accurate but in this case it helped shine a light on unknown legends to a newer generation. Really glad this movie got made.
Yes movie magic stretches truths but the one saving grace of cinema is people who otherwise may not have had interest can find interest in something they otherwise may not have...
It is factually accurate if you think that from a corporate point of view, Ford simply couldn't care less who is behind the wheel. They needed an American win and finishing 1 2 3 together just rubbing the win on Ferrari's face.
This movie's one of the best examples of empathetic storytelling in recent years. I know nothing about racing, but that doesn't matter, because the characters love racing and their struggle and personal commitment to their work makes me care.
Eventually, Ford's unlimited budget defeated Ferrari as very rightly explained in the film. A few years later, Porsche used the same approach, again against Ferrari, although with a far more innovative engineering than the GT 40 with the 917. However, Ford was never in a position to buy Ferrari, and no US car brands comes close to Ferrari (or Porsche) in terms of prestige. There are things money can't buy ....
@Olivier Riviere - What do you mean saying Ford was never in a position to buy Ferrari? They came as close as possible, only missing Enzo's signature. If you mean that Ferrari never really intended to sell to Ford, that's probably correct. Ford absolutely was in a position to buy Ferrari. Actually, the price they paid to build a winning prototype was considerably more than purchasing Ferrari would have been! Thankfully, for both companies, it never happened.
Porsche with far more innovative engineering, quite probably and no less impressive but still did it second to Ford. Credit where its due to anyone, even if they're not Italian or German. Eh?.
Definition of 'PRESTIGE' 1: standing or estimation in the eyes of people : weight or credit in general opinion 2: commanding position in people's minds....... The way I see it, "prestige" or "prestigious" can be very misleading much like a facade. I try not to take so much stock in a company or corporation on prestige alone. Whether it's a car manufacturer or a college/university....sometimes prestige isn't everything it's built up to be but that's just my perspective when the word 'prestige' is attached to anything.
Ken and Shelby will always be in our hearts forever. Legends are not born they are made and live like Kings. Only pure and truthful Human have hearts. ❤️😘👍🎉🎊🙏
Can we just appreciate what an incredible man. Helped with engineering etc. but also at such an age was 2+ laps ahead. How was he so much better than Mclaren and co. 🤯👏🏻
Really, really good short on Le Mans '66 I can only assume the comment about muscle vs technology refers to the power-plants. I didn't see buggy springs or rubbing block brakes on the GT40, but possibly I've blacked out each time near one since '66. One might consider that the two engines Ford considered viable were in fact passenger car designs, an engine is but one facet of what's required to win, and it makes little sense to 'reinvent the wheel' when two perfectly suited candidates already exist. The decision to use the 427 was much debated (argued), as the additional weight did in fact result in increased lap times, brake wear, tire wear and fuel use as compared to the 289 based engine. The basis for using the 427 was durability/reliability. The 289 (as developed) would and did provide the horsepower required to compete, and equal to the 427 (as developed), however the 289 required considerably higher RPM to produce that power as well as being that much closer to the stress limits of its design at equivalent power. Imparted stress on a reciprocating/rotational ass,y increases by the square of RPM, knowing full well this could be fatal in the prolonged high output requirements of Le Mans the decision was made to err(?) on the safe side. A DNF isn't a gamble one takes when the goal is to put an arrogant little fellow from Italy in his place - on his 'home court'. And look how that worked out...
Miles' son interviewed in front of an SC and AC Cobra. He must have been be well cared for. Oh now I get it (He is also the executive administrator of billionaire Chip Connor’s vintage car museum, said to be worth more than $800 million).
Great little film....the way I see it, the real salt in Ferrari's wound was the fact that he was beaten solidly by an engine that most, if not all Europeans considered passenger car JUNK....the 427 engine proved that the "junk" the Europeans called was MORE than able to beat the exotics...Holman/Moody really did the job....
@Daniele Fabbro What philosophy? You mean side mounted radiators, advanced aero, DRS, semi auto transmission, ground effect fan, venturi tunnels, on track telemetry? The American racing team Chaparral has innovated a lot of seemingly radical ideas that are used in modern race cars today. Don't say Americans followed your philosophy, they prefer function over form.
At 12:11 Peter Miles says he's sorry his Father didn't win. He's wrong. The racing world all knew that Ken Miles won that race head and shoulders above the others but other circumstances came into play and through no fault of his own, it was taken away.
The old 50's Ford pushrod engine made em look slow. That is the greatest thing about the whole thing because they said that engine had no chance. Wrong thing to say to American hot rod guys. I guess they didn't know the FE Ford engine family had years of racing development in NASCAR and NHRA.
@qtrhors - The 427 FE engine in the '66 MKll was first built in 1963. Not sure what you mean that it made them look slow? This engine put out significantly more HP and torque that the V12 Ferrari engine. Also, it did that at a much lower rpm than the Ferrari, which kept it from being stressed for 24 hrs. like the Ferrari was. Holman Moody of NASCAR fame built the engines and de tuned them from 500 hp to 450, which was still enough to get the job done.
I can’t believe this nonsense. Bruce Mclarens car was ahead at the finish line . He won on that basis . I have never known a motor race where the second place guy was the winner . The only qualification was bought up by Dennis Jenkinson that it was a timed race & the 24 hours came up 3/4 of the way around the last lap. Miles definitely slowed down slightly in he last few hundred metres. Just watch the video. Both cars came from Shelby’s garage. For over 50 years the finish was controversial, but that was it . The name calling that has occurred because of this fictional film upsets me . Both Bruce & Ken had violent deaths in racing cars. Please just let this rest.I was a teenager at the time. I still have Road & Track & Automobile Years coverage of that race, no mention is made anybody stealing the race. On that basis Dan Gurney should have won the Sebring 12 hour in 1966.. The film is just fiction from start to finish loosely based on what happened.
Miles MAY have won if allowed to finish on his own terms, but he didn't. Personally, I don't get all the histrionics and whining over him not winning. It happened, it's history, life's not fair, no participation trophies at that time, learn to live with it.
@General Melchett - I'll guarantee you that had this movie been made by the English, all the focus would be on their contribution and foreign drivers, with very little concentration on the American role in making and racing this car! Your last sentence says it all! Movies are for entertainment and documentaries are for gaining knowledge.
Surely the qualifying times determined the starting position so the car in front deserves the win despite who made the quicker time from behind, if Ken pulled up and let Bruce through so be it..shit call I think ✌🍻
Formula 1 has now become the be-all and end-all of motor racing. But people should remember that at this time the world endurance championship was just as important a series and most of the great drivers of the day participated in the series. Ferrari's best driver, John Surtees, finally got pissed off with Ferrari politics and quit shortly before the Le Mans race. Who knows, if he had been driving a 330P3, the end might have been different ...
Yes but his replacement was Chris Amon. Chris was in a race winning position so many times only to have a mechanical failure or involved in some one else’s accident. He won 1 Grand Prix for Ferrari. I saw him during the Tasman Series for a couple of years driving the beautiful 2.4 litre Dino F1 car. Most beautiful F1 car I ever saw.
@@charleslavers4563 Yes it was. I remember then fitting a cover over the fuel tanks of Formula One cars. My god creature comfort was not an issue at all. The GT 40’ MK11’s had a 7 litre engine bolted in directly behind the driver separated by a steel panel & a make shift seat. Graham Hill fitted a racing seat to his Alan Mann Car. Imagine the heat noise & vibration, they must have had to put up with . The race was won by a 250 LM in 65, which was not exactly a fast race car. The P3 wasn’t quite quick enough but the P4 in 67 was. Only clever driving by Gurnry & Ruby? gave them the win that year. The P4 was a gorgeous looking racing car.
@@beagle7622 Clever driving, as you say, had little to do with the MKIV win in '67. It set a new record for distance covered during the race as well as the highest average speed. It won by 32 miles! Nobody gave them that win, they flat ass earned it.
@@Pulsonar Oh but not you hipsters who followed him his whole life right? You must feel sooo cool and hip to be part of that exclusive club of dipshits. I guess...
Hey you took it the wrong way man, no diss or mockery was meant. I only saw him by chance in Empire of the Sun as a promising Brit (Welsh) child actor, so I know what to expect. In fact, to me he sounds a little weird speaking in any accent other than his usual Brit accent. Also, I’m far older than that millennial hipsters craft beer generation that you think I’m from 😂
1. Henry Ford II didn't care which driver won Le Mans. Shelby America WAS NOT the only racing team running the GT40. There were multiple Ford racing teams and several privateers in the race running GT40 cars. It was not guaranteed that if a GT40 won, it would be a Shelby driver winning the race. 2. Leo Beebe is the person who came up with the idea of finishing simultaneously. 3. Ford/Shelby consulted with Automobile Club de l'Ouest (ACO) on whether the dead heat finish would be acceptable and were told "Yes." 4. Carroll Shelby signed off on the three abreast finish. 5. Based on ACO assurances, directions were given to the drivers for the race finish. 6. Sometime later ACO came back to Ford and said the finish order would be determined by distance covered during the race (ACO changed their mind). 7. There were no in-car radios at that time and it was deemed too confusing to use the pit boards for new race instructions for each driver. 8. The decision to not bring the cars into the pits for new instructions was made so that no inadvertent accidents or mistakes could happen. 9. Ford/Shelby did not want the drivers racing each other and either breaking a car, crashing, etc. They wanted the drivers to run as conservatively as possible to guarantee the win. The three-abreast finish instructions accomplished that goal. 10. It's 2021 - get a grip. Learn to live with the finish and quit second-guessing everything that happened 55 years ago - or be pissed at the ACO for reneging on their initial assurances to Ford that the dead heat, three abreast finish would be acceptable.
This clip ignores what Chris Amon said in Motor Sport Magazine. He said he was laps ahead of Miles when the team orders came down to slow down. Amon complied but Miles didn’t and passed Amon. He broke team orders to take the lead. So Amon should have won.
He didn’t say laps from memory but did say they were in front faster & that Miles did not slow down. Another inaccuracy was Ken’s lap record . That record was set by Dan Gurney in the Number 3 Shelby Car. Also the film seems to suggest that the Number 1 Car was the only car in the Shelby Pit. That pit crew looked after Miles, McLaren & Gurney. I mean I did not like the way the film suggested the Miles was robbed . Watch the last lap. Why did Miles slow down just before the finish line . The 2 car did not speed up because Miles fell back closer to the Number 5 car. They could have sold this story without these inaccuracies. Miles & McLaren, shared a car in 1965, so Ken was in France & not dancing with his wife.
Ferrari AF Corsa won the 2023 Lemans 58 years later with their 499P brand new hypercar. Lets see, if Ford can bring a hypercar to World Endurance Championship, and spice things up.
What still bothers me is that they didn't even mention Porsche in Ford v Ferrari, The Longtail version of the 906 came 4th, 5th and 6th and they were about 12 seconds slower per lap with a 2 L Engine which produced less than half of the power of the engine in the ford.
If Ford could match Ferrari in my opinion. Ford its the winner just because their corporation vision of car was not racing cars. Thanks Ford for making combustion vehicles avaliable for almost anyone, you deserve more than thanks, all this races are just justification of what everyone know, Ford was a genious and deserves his place in history as the one who made quality cars for the common people. Bless you.
@KEVIN BRETT - Simply because it wasn't important enough to mention. By the way, the Lola GT was no more than a study in making the GT40, as there were NO Lola components used at all in its construction!
It was clear in the movie that the car was brought over from England, even though "Lola" wasn't specifically mentioned. And they had to do extensive aero mods to keep it on the ground at 200 MPH.
@@Loulovesspeed I think you need to look again. Apart from the engine and transmission it was all Lola. It was never a study for anyone but Lola itself.
@@kevinbrett2243 - Sorry mate, but that is absolutely untrue. The preliminary design for the GT40 was created by Roy Lunn, Ford's Chief Design Engineer for the GT40 project. He was the designer of the prototype Mustang mid engine car. Lunn became the Manager of Ford Advanced Vehicles (FAV) in Slough, UK, where production moved to from Lola's sparsely equipped garage. He was joined by Don Frey and Ray Geddes, and their design and engineering crew had purchased 2 Lola MK6 cars from Eric Broadley. Broadley was still working on the Lola MK6 when Ford asked him to put it on the back burner and get involved with making the GT40 car, which he did. In fairness to Broadley, he did not understand how massive corporations like Ford operated and ended up at odds with Roy Lunn, so after just a few months, Ford released him from his job as GT40 manufacturing assistant and he returned to Lola. I repeat, not one part of those 2 Lolas was utilized in the production of the GT40, only used as research/testing vehicles to obtain ideas Ford would and wouldn't want to use in the GT40. All the GT40 body panels were made by Abbey Panels in the UK. The roof portion doors were the only body portion to be made similar to the Lola's. After 2 years of failure, Ford moved the engineering to Michigan and utilized Kar Kraft, Fords' performance sub contractor, as well as Shelby American, Inc. in California and Holman Moody of Ford stock car racing fame. Many changes were made to the body, in the interest of better air flow. The frame, suspension and brakes saw a good deal of beefing up where necessary and the car was finally fitted with the 427 big block NASCAR racing engine. Bottom line was, the Lola appeared in a dream, but the GT40 emerged on the track! 😉🏁🏆
Beyond the money spent by Ford, and the combination of drivers and crew members, the winning factors may have been inside the 7-liter FE. The oiling system had been redesigned from the previous version and the valvetrain benefited from the stability of rocker shafts. I'm not sure any other pushrod engine would have lasted 24 hours at that pace.
@ Dave you need to go to spec savers his car was the blue one in second place and oh bye the way he only drove half the race Denny Hume drove the other half
8:05 I agree. No movie or game will be historically accurate to the events of the story they tell. Ford v Ferrari is no exception. But we can all agree that the movie was great and was a great entry point to learning the Ford vs Ferrari rivalry of the 60s. It's just sad however that many will not bother learning the reality and the true history behind the film's events, which causes them to believe the movie is 100% accurate.
As a Kiwi, sorry, Bruce won. To be fair, the number 1 and 2 were mostly made of kiwis, and one brit. And honestly, I don't think Ken minded so much, because they got the 1-2-3 finish.
@Tom Smith To be honest, I don't think Miles cared that he "lost" on a technicality. He actually DID slow down for a 1 2 3 finish as a showcase of the beautiful monster they had made. Yes, he won the line, but distance travelled and penalties are still a thing in the end, and no doubt he would've gotten a couple like most racers.
He did mind though: "I think I just got "**cked," was his post race comment, and it was said later he just never got over it. A.J. Baime's fine book "Go Like Hell" tells the tale very well.
And all four of them were great mates and often race together and/or testing and sharing information(plus the added commonwealth lineage) some will know better than me but with all the funding from Ford I'm sure Mr Ford just wanted the win, to have a one two three would have been the icing on the cake, no matter who won.....I'd say all 6 drivers would have know that, after all they were on Fords payroll.
For their expenditures of tens of millions Ford wanted the story to be about Ford, not about Ken Miles winning Daytona, Sebring, and LeMans. It's a shame but that's the way it was.
What really happened? Ford kicked Ferraris arse - that's all you need to know as well as the way it should be, now and forever more. Here endith the lesson - Amen.
The shape of the body shell is all of the European content left. After the car's dismal failure all the hardware was replaced with with American components.
@@bwtv147 the way I look at it, it was a joint effort to beat the Ferrari’s, and we were lucky enough Ford wanted to pull the best people from all over to do it and spend big Kinda like the p-51. American airframe with that British Rolls Royce heart equals bad ass plane 😉
Being a kiwi and one that is a huge history buff. I like to think Ken was told to slow so he did. He expected Bruce to cruise in beside him. But Bruce being a racer who wants to win just put the boot in at the last second..... We will never know for sure but that is how I choose to tell the story if anyone asks.
Anyone who knows this car knows that. By the time it started to race a lot of parts / engineering were Ford. It was a collaboration between both companies. The 1966 J car was all Ford.
@Brian Bligh - Sorry mate, but that is absolutely untrue. You really need to start reading some factual history of the car's creation and development, as I did. Then you will get the true picture of its creation. For the record, there was not a single part made by Lola in the GT40.....not one!
@@RyanLye1975 OK, Now you are changing your comment a bit (poetic license I suppose) as you originally said the GT40 WAS a Lola. Now you proclaim that it was just used as a test-bed. That is correct. Of course Ford used it as a test bed, again, to utilize information gained in order to have an idea on how to build a mid engine racer. Being used as a test bed is far from being the same as declaring that the GT40 was a Lola. There were absolutely no Lola components used in the final production of the GT40 MK1. Try again!
“You promised me the drive ,not the win “. Class !!
One point not made here is that had Ken Miles won LeMans that year, he would have been the only person to win the 12 Hours of Sebring, 24 hours of Daytona, and the 24 hours of LaMans in the same year. But I also wondered what happened to those laps ahead he was. I'm glad it was talked about here.
I believe that Miles was screwed by both the senior managers at Ford and the LeMons people who also may or may not have reacted to Ford management desires.
Despite the discrepancies, I loved Ford vs Ferrari. Say what you will, the movie did reach non motorsport folks. I can say my wife enjoyed it and said it was nothing like she thought itd be. Even a tear shed at the end from her.
Good job on this guys. 👍👍
it is indeed a nice movie to watch. Just enjoy and don't take notice the historical errors
Yeah it's one of those times I don't actually mind it being a little fudged history wise, as it really helps the story
Highwayman if you haven't seen Tucker its a movie worth watching
@@TheReal10bears I have. A very good watch. 👍👍
A visit to Shelby American in Las Vegas is definitely needed after watching Ford vs Ferrari, you won’t be disappointed
I still think had they not brought up that stupid photo finish Ken would have won n history would have still turned out the same! Props to Peter Miles for being such a Humble n Reserved human being. It's sad that his father past away in that accident bc I'm sure that kept peter from becoming just like his father. God bless Ken Miles
I'm sure Peter was bitter for a long time. I'm glad to see he found peace.
The top brass knew it would rob Ken of the victory, it was just idiotic company politics....And everyone who knows what's what, he won in car he built....
I think whatever happened still worked out fine. Maybe if Ken HAD won, he wouldn’t have had a movie made after him. Maybe less people would’ve known about him without the controversy. At the end of the day, everyone knows he deserves it, so whatever’s written in the books don’t matter. It’s like when a well deserved movie or music album doesn’t win the Oscars/Grammys. As long as everyone knows it’s good, the records don’t matter.
I think in depth interview with Peter Miles dedicated to his father legacy needs to be told. The real story between both Ken Miles and Carrol Shelby. What his father said after Le Mans. Peter had to give his perspective to the movie. This story should have been told long ago. Sadly, we have to assume.
It would have turned out the same for everyone other than Ken and is family, but that matters little to everyone else. The fact it's taken this movie to make ken a name that lots of casual fans are just recognising when it should have been one that was recognised back then especially with all the work he did on the gt350....
My father was an engineer at ford and I am trying to find out if he was involved in the program the reason I wonder is that in 1966 he was allowed to bring home a gt to show his family and give joy rides.
ive watched this probly 15 times but yet I don't get tired of watching it.
Can't believe how selfless the guy was! It's like even in life he ran the perfect lap, striving excellence over awards or recognition..
It's like the perfect movie huh? Too bad it's all a big lie.
@@positrack99 it’s a movie!!!!
Movies are entertainment, nothing more.
It’s a shame people put so much into entertainment.
No where does it say it’s a documentary!!!
Stop putting faith in Hollywood entertainment.
Which guy? Nouns are useful.
I remember meeting Ken Miles at Sebring. I was 12 years old at the time, my first time there was in 1959. I remember my heroes, mostly European drivers of course back then, but seeing Ken hustle thru the hairpin.......
Sebring Florida?
@@austinfackender He meant the famous village in Ohio. Where all car racing came from. Known to everyone including myself after I looked it up.
I was 13 in the Shelby American pits at the end of the '66 race. I coveted one of those steel blue leather jackets like Shelby and Remington wore.
@@ralphjones1930 That was a great year! Ken Miles and Lloyd Ruby won that driving the #1 Ford X1. In all ways it was a Ford GT, yet they called it the X1. Next year they introduced the monster, Ford MK IV. That was the car they rolled out at the end of the movie. Those things sounded much different because of the huge engine Ford had put in both of those cars. I've said this before...it's a shame that in the Ford V Ferrari movie, ya never really got to hear that car at full song, it was just amazing!
The GT40 was such an awesome car. Hands down kicked ass.
Come see a GT-40 at the weekly Saturday Cars and Coffee at the San Clemente shopping mall. It’s free and nearly always beautiful weather here in Sunny Southern California
The best part of this movie was getting to see all of these beautiful cars being driven hard like they should! I was only 1 year old when this movie takes place so I really appreciate getting to see some of my favorite cars in their natural habitat!
I was 4. Learned about the story starting in 1977. Loved it since then.
I was 14 when the 917's made their first go at Sebring, it was just after the 24 hour race at Daytona; those cars overwhelmed all of my senses. The Matra's, the Ferrari's, the Porsche's, the Ford's, Alfa, on and on...Sebring has changed, but it's still the same. Steve McQueen said it best, "Racing is life, everything else is just waiting." The sounds were incredible, and in the early years, so we're the smells!
I was 16, and as a side note Jim Hall’s Chevy powered Chaparrals were a revalation, 2 speed automatics and the first aero wing. What a sight! Jim Hall and Hap Sharp were Texas oil wildcats.
@@clu4u Weren't they something to see! I was the same age, when I watched them run at Sebring! I remember standing just past the exit of the Hairpin wanting to hear what they sounded like when these cars upshifted!?! The #68 Homet Turbine engine was another unforgettable car to hear! It really sounded like a jet taking off.
damn sir youre old
I just looked it up.
I'm a New Zealander and the 1966 race was won by Chris Amon and Bruce McLaren of New Zealand driving a Ford GT 40 Mk II.
Woohoo!
And a kiwi Denny Holme con drove with Miles.
...but it was the Aussies that invented Pavlova.
Chris Amon was #1 drive for Ferrari in open wheels =F1 in it's day
This was a magnificent short with excellent visual quality…truly great work.
It’s a brilliant piece, isn’t it.
Don' Does not hold a candle to Steve McQueen's movie
Motor sport in the 1960s must have been awe-inspiring. Can-am series and these wonderful cars in the le mans races.
When they invent a time machine, I'm going back to take it all in.
Same here. I'm going back to experience the 69 boss mustangs in all their original glory.
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Thank God I was alive and got to see races at Road America and Donnybrooke
Who dominated Can-am?
McLaren and Hulme.(New Zealanders)
Le Mans has always been my favorite racing movie. This is now my second.
i cant imagine the feelings of peter his son , seeing the movie and how they portrayed the father son relationship making him relive those memories the happy and heartbreaking ones , me myself it was hard to forgive the betrayal and the scheme ford did to ken so I cant even think about the emotions he felt , rip legend ken miles 🕊
I watched the movie for the first time the other day . Something that came to mind was the fact the GT 40 was originally designed and built in England due to their experience in European racing . The GT40 did not become the race winning car it was until after the original engine was switched out to the Ford 427 and the tweaks at Shelby's shop . I drew a comparison to the P51 Mustang airframe being designed and built in the US but it did not become the superior fighter it was until the English Rolls Royce was installed in England .
Both of these fine engineering examples were at the design pinnacle for their day and benefitted from collaboration between English and American technology. And the rest is history ....
The 1966 winning cars were made by Bruce McLaren’s racing, they made four Specials for The race !
The original gt40 was a development of the Lola gt. Eric broadley was contracted to develop and build the gt40's. But he found working for Ford to stifling and baled out. Ford then set up Ford AVO to build the examples for road and track use. It is a pity that the English involvement tends to be airbrushed out of the Shelby succes story. But Shelby certainly had a great team of guys with him.
You do understand that the p51 was fitted with an engine built by Packard licensed by Rolls-Royce God bless American engineering
@@JohnCunningham-sy5ug This came later the first Merlin engines were fitted to the Mustang airframe in England (as an experiment ) which vastly improved the performance of the P-51.
P51's issue was not engine, the radiator was too vulnerable
Who was the best driver that day? Ken Miles hands down, end of story.
And who was the co driver oh right done you even know ?
@@Rob-vv5yn good point
@@Rob-vv5yn hulme was, but that's also the point, people may have never even heard of Ken miles had he not shattered the lap record too.
I was there, sobbing with joy !
There is an excellent book out about Ken Miles years with Shelby. It was done by Dave Friedman, one of racing's best ever photographers. There is a picture in it taken shortly after the race where you can clearly see the official scoreboard over Miles' shoulder. It clearly shows Ken Miles in first by one lap over second place. Get a copy & see for yourself.
Ok , I bought the book .What page are u referring to ?
@@murfspop
I am out of state right now. When I get back I will find it for you.
@@joestephan1111 THANK YOU ! I paid $65.00 for the book just to see that picture.
We all had Ford GT 40 slot cars in the mid '60's. If Miles had slowed by 10 seconds a lap at 23 hours
he would still have been a lap up.I did the math.
@@joestephan1111 Thank You.
@@joestephan1111 I'm still looking thru the book and I cannot find it.....
Great movie! I was doubtful about watching this film, wondering what Hollywood would make of it - but the pairing of Matt Damon and Christian Bale was inspired, and lifted the already brilliantly choreographed action scenes onto another level... very enjoyable
Shellby and ken miles were legends 😍 Mustang Shellby is not just a Car it's an Emotion 😍
12:39 "Ferrari has never won Lemans outright again..." They must have taken this personally eh?
Ferrari wins 2023 le mans eh? Enjoy your ford zephyr😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The story needs a update. Yesterday, June 11, 2023 Ferrari finally broke the duck and won Le Mans outright. :-)
Define out right, top 3 spots? 😉
My wife was the same. I am an ex racer and had spent years trying to explain to her what racing means and how important it is. She just couldn't get it. She did get it after watching that film.
same happened to me. i didn't know anything about cars but this movie made me fell in love with racing cars. salute to racers like u.
4:58 Can we just take a moment to recognize the enormous marbles on these people casually lounging inches from certain death
If organizers allowed it people would do the same today or even worse, pretty sure there would be couple of idiots who would try to cross the track midrace to get better place for selfie. But if there was accident back then it would be the idiot's fault and nobody else would be blamed, these days idiots that put themselves at risk with their own stupidity sue organizers and usually get away with fat check. The world was better when society did not protect and reward idiots.
* Old man yells at cloud
About time that someone documented and proved that’s the McLaren/Hulme car clearly crossed the line first. Much different to all the urban myths getting around. Plus not one photo I have ever seen shows the #1 car crossing the line first…
Nice words from Miles son.
It was McLaren/Amon. Denny Hulme drove with Miles
@@craigmactak1839 thank you
True, but if he really was a lap or two ahead it wouldn't matter who crossed first.
Ken was a full lap ahead! They screwed him!
Who cares if McLaren crossed the line first. Had Ken Miles NOT slowed down...Ken would have won EASILY!
Like any based on true events movie, you're going to have a lot of poetic licenses thrown in. Many times, because real life isn't nearly as dramatic as movies portray and nobody is going to the movies to watch themselves have a boring day in their boring lives. The core of this movie got the right parts right and that was the intense Ford v. Ferrari rivalry ... which caused Ford to develop the coolest Ford ever to this very day, lol. And a lot of people got to learn a little something about a great race car driver they'd probably never even heard of before this movie.
The movie was amazing (FORD VS FERRARI), they could of got it accurate though, but hey this small doco sums everything up. great doco!
It seems to me then this movie and in this documentary everybody has forgotten the three new zealanders that were in these cars and chief among them Bruce McLaren an absolute Legend and the father of the McLaren motor racing team and an absolute Automotive genius Chris Amon genius driver and Denny holme a name that in New Zealand is legendary now I may be a little bit biased because I am a kiwi and and we love tonight Vehicles go fast whether it's cars motorbikes or boats
and the year later Chris got lured to Ferrari and Denny became Formula one World champion
how does this channel only have 300 subs?? someone from motorsportimages send me a note. Even with just images from your archives I can make you some classics.
Ridiculous! I'm now 600 subs. When we're at 300,000 subs I'll post that I was 600!
I’ll go at 615.
@@brucetennyson5035 ummm... 2.27k is two thousand, two hundred and seventy. Dumbass.
@@barrakliberal8539 check the date, he sent that 6 months ago so it very well could have only been 300 subs, there’s no reason to be rude like that either
Ken Miles got screwed on this deal. He was the real winner but I personally feel this was Fords way of saying we didn't want you in the first place.
He wasn't sexy.. Simple as that.
Watch Shelby be interviewed about Le Mans, it was not Ford or his VP, but Shelby that instigated it and it was one of his biggest regrets.
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@@realecomkid Thank you for this. This was the best hearing it straight from Shelby.
But Shelby knew that Miles was necessary, although McLaren was another good test driver.
All he had to do was press the pedal a bit harder destiny was in his own hands there and he missed his opportunity
Hearing Bruce Mclaren and Denny Hulme's names was Fantastic, 2 Kiwi's withe the nothing can hold them back attitude, RIP to them both
I filmed Chris Amon a number of times and you can tell he was a bit pissed with the whole "Ken was robbed" narrative. He said they would have won easily if they hadn't been following team instructions after the last Ferrari was out to drive slower, instructions that Ken mostly ignored. Also while he didn't put it past McLaren to give it a burst at the end he said the car had a sticking accelerator and McLaren was having to put his foot under it to control the speed so keeping at a constant speed at the end was a bit difficult, it may not have been intentional.
If you want to know who was robbed have a look at the drives who won the race for Ford but were dropped the next year so Ford could have an American driver win the race. Then ignored by the film.
@Stephen Press - The drivers that were dropped weren't "robbed". It was common place then for drivers to be dropped, picked up. Ferrari, Aston Martin and others did this almost routinely. The "Deuce" was obviously aware of the chatter that Ford won in '66 due to the involvement and help by the Brits. Understandably, he wanted an American built car driven by American drivers to win - an all American victory. If he still had foreign drivers behind the wheel in '67, the talk would have been Ford only won because of the great foreign drivers. The Deuce had more smarts and foresight than many gave him credit for. Shelby was one of the ones who had great respect for HFll and was quoted saying "He knew a hell of a lot more about how that company should be run than he was given credit for."
@@Loulovesspeed I don't disagree. Nobody was robbed (including Miles) it was just Ford doing what was best for their brand... I guess my issue is three of the drivers who finished in the first two cars were from New Zealand and the film gets an Australian actor to give one line... :)
@@cameragod1 - What can I tell you? Write to the producers of the film. There were a good deal of people/situations, etc that the movie didn't cover, yet it was still 2 1/2 hrs. long.
@@Loulovesspeed :) To be honest I'd rather make my own film.
@@cameragod1 - Great, let me know when it comes out! lol
Funny how they spared only 1 sentence about Remingtons revolutionary quick brake change system. That had a major impact on the development of the race, and a clear advantage to Ford.
I believe Remington's contribution was quick change brake pads. Holman Moody designed the entire quick change brake system including rotors. Yes, it absolutely had a major affect, and I believe Shelby even said without that brake system, the MKll would have never won the race!
We'll only ever have what we watched, we'll never know what happened behind closed doors. But even though mcclaren won we are all still talking about Ken why because as Christian says he was purest n the perfect lap was all that really mattered to Ken(now I can't speak for ken,n I'm sure the victory would of been nice,but there's always another race another trophy). Sure u can have shelves full of trophies but only a small percentage of those wins can you say "I really drove a perfect lap/race". U can come dead last but if you've driven your perfect lap u can smile n be happy with yourself. Different racing back then, raw no electronics. These days it's seems to easy because so much of the car/bike/boat etc is helping u.
Agreed. I think first of all he did for
Himself and maybe for his son and Shelby. Second he show what he can do to Ford. The rest doesn’t really matter to him because he knows he is the best driver of this race, so as Ford knew.
@@BoyInFancySuit Damon all but admitted the movie had little to do with fact so why equate one with the other..
@@bill2953agrree, but he didn't admit "the movie had little to do with fact"
far from it. why "equate" him saying its hard to distil someone's life into two hours and come out with "little to do with fact"
that's a bit OTT to be honest. That said, i see your point, and agree. There's no good reasoning behind that other chap's statement, it's only what he personally want's to believe, which "equates" i suppose to you listening to damon's statement and assuming what you want to believe in the face of that not actually being what he said but what you want to believe.
@@DAGATHire Right on... However, even though we agree the movie was 75% fiction it was the "over the top Hollywood" that annoyed the piss outta me. Downshifting twice on the back straight at Daytona?? wtf is that? lol But obviously that sort of thing is a lot of people's taste for entertainment where I found it trite. Oh well
I agree 100% with this statement --> 11:09 and it is why I _prefer_ documentaries. You can fit much more info. into the same amount of time and even discuss any controversies.
Interesting that no one ever mentions the winning 66 Ford GT40 had a 7 Liter ( 427CID) motor and the Ferrari was a 330 ( 4.0 Liter)
this first to build the fastest car i guess. Now we have restrictions.
What's your point? The Ferrari still blew and couldn't run.
@@roberthall6560 I think I stated my point lol A heavy weight fighting in a light weight division lol. Thats the point. Now we have restrictions to keep a level playing field and more exciting racing for different engine classes.
You conveniently left out that the Ferrari was a 12 cylinder and the Ford was an 8 cylinder. Don't forget Enzo Ferrari was in charge of the rules(which he conveniently altered when needed). He allowed the 427 Ford basically because he figured it was junk and had no chance.
You should have mentioned that those little engines came back a year later at Daytona and blew away a huge field of Fords for that famous 1+2+3 win and Chris Amon who was one of the Lemans Ford winning drivers was driving for Ferrari that day., the only Ford with any pace the Mclaren car I think limped home, none of the other GT40 survived from memory that’s 60’s racing for you.
My friends who arent super into motorsports both loved it. If it brings more people to the world of racing its a win for me. Even my buddy's wife loved it.
"American Muscle beat Italian Sophistication." And I take a sip of my American bourbon from my Italian crystal glass.
In a British car.... (almost everything about the GT40 was British, and even the gearbox was a German ZF at one point - only the engine was American).
@@zks2341 good point. I have my preferences and favorites like anyone, but I love that different countries and cultures each offer something good for car culture.
@@zks2341 I forgot to mention the AC Cobra and the Aston Martins are some of what I think are the most beautiful cars. I'm going to see if a friend of my friend will let me sit in his cobra so I can have my American Whiskey in my Italian glass in the British car.
@@zks2341 but they've mentioned in the movie that the car was crap.
@@zks2341 That is true. But with American funding. I know that the 1st 1965 GT40 was designed in Ford UK with help of Lola, but for the 1966 GT40 it was taken to Dearborn Michigan to further test the car to make sure that it will last for 24hrs. Ford put the ZF gearbox in their lab with a robotic arm to simulate countless gear changes, and then put the engine in an engine testing rig (at that time the most advanced testing rig for engine simulation) for further improvement and tests, the same testing rig used to improve the Cosworth DFV. Then with Shelby American for additional scoops to improve cooling, and improve the aerodynamics of the GT40.
I miss my 63MG. Had it when i was 17, drove it like i was 35, and it ran better at 9000ft than 6500ft alt and above 4500rpm is where i kept it as often as possible!
For me the original movie (le Mans) with Steve Mcqueen was the start of my enthousiasm of motorsport in general and LeMans & FormuleOne in special
Check out Grand Prix...with James Garner......great classic movie
That was probably the best of the motor racing films.
@@christopherhale5445 Both movies are the greatest. McQueen Le Mans is almost a documentary. I remember having a huge size Porche 917 poster (gulf livery) in my room in nthe 70s. An Grand Prix had all the drama.
I had the pleasure of driving my fathers TR3. No creature comforts at all, just a motor transmission and 4 wheels. What a blast.
I really enjoyed the movie...and it refueled the interest for that era of racing for people not even alive then.....I knew going in that the movie was going to be a Hollywood type movie....but i loved seeing the classic cars up on the big screen....again....like in Le Mans and Grand Prix.....that was raw racing....and low technology ...and low safety too......crazy scary and big balls racing ....
The claim that Ford won Lemans 3 additional times is not entirely accurate. Ford won the 1967 race with the Ford MKIV with Dan Gurney and A J Foyt driving. But in 1968 & 1969 John Wyer Racing won Lemans in heavily modified GT40's called Gulf-Wyers (hence the famous blue & orange colors) after Ford officially dropped out of running Lemans after 1967.
An historical snippet. When Shelby launched the GT350, Ken Miles took it 0-100-0 in 13.8 seconds, on STREET TYRES !
No GT350 ever did that. It was the 427 Cobra and they did it because the Aston-Martin DB had established a time - Shelby's previous employer....
@@caribman10 Wasn't the Aston Martin time like 23 seconds? The gap to the Cobra was ridiculous.
@@ralphjones1930 What would a 427 powered DB have done , a bit less than 23 seconds I guess !
The car was basically a Lola (English) with a Ford engine (US). Lola doesn’t get the credit it deserves. Without Lola there would have been no Le Mans wins. It also has to be said vis versa. Together attained one of racings greatest achievements.
It's impossible to take a moment in history, especially one that covered years, and condense it down to just 2 hours, yet still be entertaining. The best you can hope for is to get the emotions, the tensions, and the thrill of auto racing mixed in with the main facts. The title, "Ford v Ferrari" tells you what it's about, while the characters/people takes you there. I saw the movie strictly because it was about the GT40 race car, and not because they beat Ferrari with it. That part was a bonus. Was it 100% accurate? No movie ever is, that would make it a documentary.....a very long documentary. I've seen it many times and will see it many times after this.
I have to agree. I got to watch *"Ford vs. Ferrari",* in a movie theatre, and as entertaining as it was, I've often wondered how much of the movie *really* happened, and how much were liberties taken by movie producers. For instance, I loved that one scene where Carroll Shelby took Henry Ford II for a ride in the GT40 race car, and his Ford II's reaction afterwards, him bawling like a baby. Did that *really* happen, or was that just for the movie?
@@jasoncarpp7742 Most of the movie material was accurate, but seeing that movies are made for entertainment first, they "spice" it up in places with non factual scenes, comments, etc. to make the movie appeal to a bigger audience - movie making, after all, is a business. The Deuce's ride in the GT40 with Shelby, Shelby locking Beebe in the office, HF ll speech at the factory, and Enzo being in the stands are just some of the added material that never really happened. If you would like to see a good documentary, I would strongly suggest "Go Like Hell", by A.J. Baime. No Hollywood hype in this one!
@@Loulovesspeed Thanks. I'll have to check it out. As entertaining as *"Ford vs. Ferrari"* was, I knew some scenes in the movie couldn't have happened in real life. As much as I like to be entertained, that's why we go to the movies after all, I particularly like to learn about the real people and events the movie was about.
@@jasoncarpp7742 I have a feeling The Deuce wasn't scared at all. If anything they would be tears of joy.
@@khaoticpenguin3945 I wasn't sure what Deuce was feeling throughout the demo ride. I imagine he was like *"Ohhhhh shiiiiitttt!"* and *"Please don't let me diiiieee!"*
After watching the film I new nothing of Ken miles I do now thank you Ken what a guy ❤
It is a great shame that the vast majority of people who watched the "Ford v Ferrari" movie, believe it to be factually accurate. "Ford v Ferrari" is a Hollywood movie, and its purpose is to entertain, not educate. It is riddled with inaccuracies. To understand the truth, watch a documentary or read a book about the 1966 Le Mans 24 Hour.
Thanks for watching!
The ones who were genuinely interested in the truth after watching the movie would of dug deeper afterwards. Movies based on true stories are never 100% accurate but in this case it helped shine a light on unknown legends to a newer generation. Really glad this movie got made.
Yes movie magic stretches truths but the one saving grace of cinema is people who otherwise may not have had interest can find interest in something they otherwise may not have...
It is factually accurate if you think that from a corporate point of view, Ford simply couldn't care less who is behind the wheel. They needed an American win and finishing 1 2 3 together just rubbing the win on Ferrari's face.
@@shkhamd however the ‘American’ win did not happen in ‘66, the GT40 mk2 was a British car, the Mk3 of 1967 was the first American car to win
One of the coolest stories ever !
This movie's one of the best examples of empathetic storytelling in recent years. I know nothing about racing, but that doesn't matter, because the characters love racing and their struggle and personal commitment to their work makes me care.
What a lovely piece.
12:30 isn't that the 29 car that wiped out infront of Miles in the first lap?
Amazing piece of history!! What a story!
Eventually, Ford's unlimited budget defeated Ferrari as very rightly explained in the film. A few years later, Porsche used the same approach, again against Ferrari, although with a far more innovative engineering than the GT 40 with the 917. However, Ford was never in a position to buy Ferrari, and no US car brands comes close to Ferrari (or Porsche) in terms of prestige. There are things money can't buy ....
@Olivier Riviere - What do you mean saying Ford was never in a position to buy Ferrari? They came as close as possible, only missing Enzo's signature. If you mean that Ferrari never really intended to sell to Ford, that's probably correct. Ford absolutely was in a position to buy Ferrari. Actually, the price they paid to build a winning prototype was considerably more than purchasing Ferrari would have been! Thankfully, for both companies, it never happened.
Porsche with far more innovative engineering, quite probably and no less impressive but still did it second to Ford. Credit where its due to anyone, even if they're not Italian or German. Eh?.
@@Loulovesspeed Yeah...thank God Ferrari sold 50% of the company to Fiat in 1969 and another 40% in 1988...that makes all the difference...
@@Loulovesspeed well said!!
Definition of 'PRESTIGE' 1: standing or estimation in the eyes of people : weight or credit in general opinion
2: commanding position in people's minds.......
The way I see it, "prestige" or "prestigious" can be very misleading much like a facade. I try not to take so much stock in a company or corporation on prestige alone. Whether it's a car manufacturer or a college/university....sometimes prestige isn't everything it's built up to be but that's just my perspective when the word 'prestige' is attached to anything.
nicely done!
Ken and Shelby will always be in our hearts forever. Legends are not born they are made and live like Kings. Only pure and truthful Human have hearts. ❤️😘👍🎉🎊🙏
The Film only brought back to the forefront one of the most shocking events ever, in the Auto Racing World. Murica!
Even with some inaccuracies, it was still a entertaining movie. Not as good as LeMans with Steve McQueen, but very enjoyable to watch.
YOUR GETTTING A NEW RIDE ! VERY COOL !
This and The World's Fastest Indian are my two favourite motorsport movies.
@techo61 - When I first heard the title, I thought it was a movie about a champion Native American runner! Lol Absolutely a great movie.
Can we just appreciate what an incredible man. Helped with engineering etc. but also at such an age was 2+ laps ahead. How was he so much better than Mclaren and co. 🤯👏🏻
Really, really good short on Le Mans '66
I can only assume the comment about muscle vs technology refers to the power-plants.
I didn't see buggy springs or rubbing block brakes on the GT40, but possibly I've blacked out each time near one since '66.
One might consider that the two engines Ford considered viable were in fact passenger car designs, an engine is but one facet of what's required to win, and it makes little sense to 'reinvent the wheel' when two perfectly suited candidates already exist.
The decision to use the 427 was much debated (argued), as the additional weight did in fact result in increased lap times, brake wear, tire wear and fuel use as compared to the 289 based engine.
The basis for using the 427 was durability/reliability.
The 289 (as developed) would and did provide the horsepower required to compete, and equal to the 427 (as developed), however the 289 required considerably higher RPM to produce that power as well as being that much closer to the stress limits of its design at equivalent power.
Imparted stress on a reciprocating/rotational ass,y increases by the square of RPM, knowing full well this could be fatal in the prolonged high output requirements of Le Mans the decision was made to err(?) on the safe side.
A DNF isn't a gamble one takes when the goal is to put an arrogant little fellow from Italy in his place - on his 'home court'.
And look how that worked out...
Miles' son interviewed in front of an SC and AC Cobra. He must have been be well cared for. Oh now I get it (He is also the executive administrator of billionaire Chip Connor’s vintage car museum, said to be worth more than $800 million).
Sounds like you have a h..d on about Peter. Get over it and get lost!
You're father absolutely won that race. I think you know this in your heart.
He was an extraordinary man. 👍
Great video
Great little film....the way I see it, the real salt in Ferrari's wound was the fact that he was beaten solidly by an engine that most, if not all Europeans considered passenger car JUNK....the 427 engine proved that the "junk" the Europeans called was MORE than able to beat the exotics...Holman/Moody really did the job....
And why is it a "little film"? It did win an Academy Award if you care about that kind of thing.
what on earth are you talking about mate. the car was built in england ffs. Get a grip!
@Daniele Fabbro comment wasn't at you mate. it was at the OP
@@DAGATHire I'm not talking about where the car was made.....if you READ what I said, it was about the engine...FFS!!
@Daniele Fabbro What philosophy? You mean side mounted radiators, advanced aero, DRS, semi auto transmission, ground effect fan, venturi tunnels, on track telemetry? The American racing team Chaparral has innovated a lot of seemingly radical ideas that are used in modern race cars today. Don't say Americans followed your philosophy, they prefer function over form.
The GT40 was designed and built by Lola UK.The cars were RHD and had fuck all to do with the USA.
The narrator sounds like a more chipper Werner Herzog.
At 12:11 Peter Miles says he's sorry his Father didn't win. He's wrong. The racing world all knew that Ken Miles won that race head and shoulders above the others but other circumstances came into play and through no fault of his own, it was taken away.
The old 50's Ford pushrod engine made em look slow. That is the greatest thing about the whole thing because they said that engine had no chance. Wrong thing to say to American hot rod guys. I guess they didn't know the FE Ford engine family had years of racing development in NASCAR and NHRA.
@qtrhors - The 427 FE engine in the '66 MKll was first built in 1963. Not sure what you mean that it made them look slow? This engine put out significantly more HP and torque that the V12 Ferrari engine. Also, it did that at a much lower rpm than the Ferrari, which kept it from being stressed for 24 hrs. like the Ferrari was. Holman Moody of NASCAR fame built the engines and de tuned them from 500 hp to 450, which was still enough to get the job done.
Just listen to Chris Amon when he asked B Mclaren what are you going to do !
We’re gunna win.
I can’t believe this nonsense. Bruce Mclarens car was ahead at the finish line . He won on that basis .
I have never known a motor race where the second place guy was the winner . The only qualification was bought up by Dennis Jenkinson that it was a timed race & the 24 hours came up 3/4 of the way around the last lap. Miles definitely slowed down slightly in he last few hundred metres. Just watch the video. Both cars came from Shelby’s garage. For over 50 years the finish was controversial, but that was it . The name calling that has occurred because of this fictional film upsets me . Both Bruce & Ken had violent deaths in racing cars. Please just let this rest.I was a teenager at the time. I still have Road & Track & Automobile Years coverage of that race, no mention is made anybody stealing the race. On that basis Dan Gurney should have won the Sebring 12 hour in 1966.. The film is just fiction from start to finish loosely based on what happened.
Sit down and shut up you bloody whiner,
Miles MAY have won if allowed to finish on his own terms, but he didn't. Personally, I don't get all the histrionics and whining over him not winning. It happened, it's history, life's not fair, no participation trophies at that time, learn to live with it.
@General Melchett - I'll guarantee you that had this movie been made by the English, all the focus would be on their contribution and foreign drivers, with very little concentration on the American role in making and racing this car! Your last sentence says it all! Movies are for entertainment and documentaries are for gaining knowledge.
uh miles was several LAPS ahead of McLaren on his last pit stop.........you do understand how that works dont you?
@@davidthayer6969 Who says not any of the media at the time .
Surely the qualifying times determined the starting position so the car in front deserves the win despite who made the quicker time from behind, if Ken pulled up and let Bruce through so be it..shit call I think ✌🍻
Formula 1 has now become the be-all and end-all of motor racing. But people should remember that at this time the world endurance championship was just as important a series and most of the great drivers of the day participated in the series. Ferrari's best driver, John Surtees, finally got pissed off with Ferrari politics and quit shortly before the Le Mans race. Who knows, if he had been driving a 330P3, the end might have been different ...
Yes but his replacement was Chris Amon. Chris was in a race winning position so many times only to have a mechanical failure or involved in some one else’s accident. He won 1 Grand Prix for Ferrari. I saw him during the Tasman Series for a couple of years driving the beautiful 2.4 litre Dino F1 car. Most beautiful F1 car I ever saw.
and that’s another story……..
@@charleslavers4563 Yes it was. I remember then fitting a cover over the fuel tanks of Formula One cars. My god creature comfort was not an issue at all. The GT 40’ MK11’s had a 7 litre engine bolted in directly behind the driver separated by a steel panel & a make shift seat. Graham Hill fitted a racing seat to his Alan Mann Car. Imagine the heat noise & vibration, they must have had to put up with . The race was won by a 250 LM in 65, which was not exactly a fast race car. The P3 wasn’t quite quick enough but the P4 in 67 was. Only clever driving by Gurnry & Ruby? gave them the win that year. The P4 was a gorgeous looking racing car.
@@beagle7622 Clever driving, as you say, had little to do with the MKIV win in '67. It set a new record for distance covered during the race as well as the highest average speed. It won by 32 miles! Nobody gave them that win, they flat ass earned it.
Very well done
Hearing Christian Bale speaking in his natural accent is always so weird.
Sounds weird to those who never knew him since his child actor days I guess.
@@Pulsonar Oh but not you hipsters who followed him his whole life right? You must feel sooo cool and hip to be part of that exclusive club of dipshits.
I guess...
Hey you took it the wrong way man, no diss or mockery was meant. I only saw him by chance in Empire of the Sun as a promising Brit (Welsh) child actor, so I know what to expect. In fact, to me he sounds a little weird speaking in any accent other than his usual Brit accent. Also, I’m far older than that millennial hipsters craft beer generation that you think I’m from 😂
Now bring on the prequel, 64, 65 world manufacturers championship with the Daytona coupes.
1. Henry Ford II didn't care which driver won Le Mans. Shelby America WAS NOT the only racing team running the GT40. There were multiple Ford racing teams and several privateers in the race running GT40 cars. It was not guaranteed that if a GT40 won, it would be a Shelby driver winning the race.
2. Leo Beebe is the person who came up with the idea of finishing simultaneously.
3. Ford/Shelby consulted with Automobile Club de l'Ouest (ACO) on whether the dead heat finish would be acceptable and were told "Yes."
4. Carroll Shelby signed off on the three abreast finish.
5. Based on ACO assurances, directions were given to the drivers for the race finish.
6. Sometime later ACO came back to Ford and said the finish order would be determined by distance covered during the race (ACO changed their mind).
7. There were no in-car radios at that time and it was deemed too confusing to use the pit boards for new race instructions for each driver.
8. The decision to not bring the cars into the pits for new instructions was made so that no inadvertent accidents or mistakes could happen.
9. Ford/Shelby did not want the drivers racing each other and either breaking a car, crashing, etc. They wanted the drivers to run as conservatively as possible to guarantee the win. The three-abreast finish instructions accomplished that goal.
10. It's 2021 - get a grip. Learn to live with the finish and quit second-guessing everything that happened 55 years ago - or be pissed at the ACO for reneging on their initial assurances to Ford that the dead heat, three abreast finish would be acceptable.
@Buckhorn Cortez - Superb explanation of the facts. Bravo!
Tom Kristensen, a true driver into Le Mans
Great Stuff !
This clip ignores what Chris Amon said in Motor Sport Magazine. He said he was laps ahead of Miles when the team orders came down to slow down. Amon complied but Miles didn’t and passed Amon. He broke team orders to take the lead. So Amon should have won.
Given the fact the Leo was against miles I wouldn't blame him for taking the laps back
He didn’t say laps from memory but did say they were in front faster & that Miles did not slow down. Another inaccuracy was Ken’s lap record . That record was set by Dan Gurney in the Number 3 Shelby Car. Also the film seems to suggest that the Number 1 Car was the only car in the Shelby Pit. That pit crew looked after Miles, McLaren & Gurney. I mean I did not like the way the film suggested the Miles was robbed . Watch the last lap. Why did Miles slow down just before the finish line . The 2 car did not speed up because Miles fell back closer to the Number 5 car. They could have sold this story without these inaccuracies. Miles & McLaren, shared a car in 1965, so Ken was in France & not dancing with his wife.
@@beagle7622 you’re right. Amon says he and McLaren were a minute ahead in the lead before the ‘ease’ sign came out
@@jackwilson8651 thanks Jack nice to see so of us know the real truth, I get tired from Holly wood fiction distorting history
Ferrari AF Corsa won the 2023 Lemans 58 years later with their 499P brand new hypercar. Lets see, if Ford can bring a hypercar to World Endurance Championship, and spice things up.
No one cares about that sh!t now 😂
What still bothers me is that they didn't even mention Porsche in Ford v Ferrari, The Longtail version of the 906 came 4th, 5th and 6th and they were about 12 seconds slower per lap with a 2 L Engine which produced less than half of the power of the engine in the ford.
Ummmm the movie is called Ford v Ferrari....not Ford vs Ferrari vs Porsche lol
@Narven - Why would an immaterial fact like that bother you? Get over it Bruh, as Porsche ultimately went on where Ford left off at Le Mans.
If Ford could match Ferrari in my opinion. Ford its the winner just because their corporation vision of car was not racing cars. Thanks Ford for making combustion vehicles avaliable for almost anyone, you deserve more than thanks, all this races are just justification of what everyone know, Ford was a genious and deserves his place in history as the one who made quality cars for the common people. Bless you.
Why does no one mention that the GT40 was based on the British Lola GT.
Because they wanna say that the americans beat the italians (and the rest of the world).
@KEVIN BRETT - Simply because it wasn't important enough to mention. By the way, the Lola GT was no more than a study in making the GT40, as there were NO Lola components used at all in its construction!
It was clear in the movie that the car was brought over from England, even though "Lola" wasn't specifically mentioned. And they had to do extensive aero mods to keep it on the ground at 200 MPH.
@@Loulovesspeed I think you need to look again. Apart from the engine and transmission it was all Lola. It was never a study for anyone but Lola itself.
@@kevinbrett2243 - Sorry mate, but that is absolutely untrue. The preliminary design for the GT40 was created by Roy Lunn, Ford's Chief Design Engineer for the GT40 project. He was the designer of the prototype Mustang mid engine car. Lunn became the Manager of Ford Advanced Vehicles (FAV) in Slough, UK, where production moved to from Lola's sparsely equipped garage. He was joined by Don Frey and Ray Geddes, and their design and engineering crew had purchased 2 Lola MK6 cars from Eric Broadley. Broadley was still working on the Lola MK6 when Ford asked him to put it on the back burner and get involved with making the GT40 car, which he did. In fairness to Broadley, he did not understand how massive corporations like Ford operated and ended up at odds with Roy Lunn, so after just a few months, Ford released him from his job as GT40 manufacturing assistant and he returned to Lola. I repeat, not one part of those 2 Lolas was utilized in the production of the GT40, only used as research/testing vehicles to obtain ideas Ford would and wouldn't want to use in the GT40. All the GT40 body panels were made by Abbey Panels in the UK. The roof portion doors were the only body portion to be made similar to the Lola's. After 2 years of failure, Ford moved the engineering to Michigan and utilized Kar Kraft, Fords' performance sub contractor, as well as Shelby American, Inc. in California and Holman Moody of Ford stock car racing fame. Many changes were made to the body, in the interest of better air flow. The frame, suspension and brakes saw a good deal of beefing up where necessary and the car was finally fitted with the 427 big block NASCAR racing engine. Bottom line was, the Lola appeared in a dream, but the GT40 emerged on the track! 😉🏁🏆
Beyond the money spent by Ford, and the combination of drivers and crew members, the winning factors may have been inside the 7-liter FE. The oiling system had been redesigned from the previous version and the valvetrain benefited from the stability of rocker shafts. I'm not sure any other pushrod engine would have lasted 24 hours at that pace.
It took 7,000cc to beat Ferrari's 3,000cc cars. How can that be fair?
KEN WON
Just like Mini in 1966 Monte Carlo Rally
Was that Ken Mclaren and Ken Amon?.
@ Dave you need to go to spec savers his car was the blue one in second place and oh bye the way he only drove half the race Denny Hume drove the other half
@@haydengoodall6767 Bruce or Chris Miles is also appropriate NOT
8:05 I agree. No movie or game will be historically accurate to the events of the story they tell. Ford v Ferrari is no exception. But we can all agree that the movie was great and was a great entry point to learning the Ford vs Ferrari rivalry of the 60s.
It's just sad however that many will not bother learning the reality and the true history behind the film's events, which causes them to believe the movie is 100% accurate.
As a Kiwi, sorry, Bruce won. To be fair, the number 1 and 2 were mostly made of kiwis, and one brit. And honestly, I don't think Ken minded so much, because they got the 1-2-3 finish.
@Tom Smith To be honest, I don't think Miles cared that he "lost" on a technicality. He actually DID slow down for a 1 2 3 finish as a showcase of the beautiful monster they had made. Yes, he won the line, but distance travelled and penalties are still a thing in the end, and no doubt he would've gotten a couple like most racers.
He did mind though: "I think I just got "**cked," was his post race comment, and it was said later he just never got over it.
A.J. Baime's fine book "Go Like Hell" tells the tale very well.
And all four of them were great mates and often race together and/or testing and sharing information(plus the added commonwealth lineage) some will know better than me but with all the funding from Ford I'm sure Mr Ford just wanted the win, to have a one two three would have been the icing on the cake, no matter who won.....I'd say all 6 drivers would have know that, after all they were on Fords payroll.
For their expenditures of tens of millions Ford wanted the story to be about Ford, not about Ken Miles winning Daytona, Sebring, and LeMans. It's a shame but that's the way it was.
yea chris amon & bruce mclaren🇳🇿
None of this may ever happened if Ferrari had not disrespected Ford
What really happened? Ford kicked Ferraris arse - that's all you need to know as well as the way it should be, now and forever more. Here endith the lesson - Amen.
I have researched this for years. Movie is more accurate than any documentary.
uh huh....
You can really see the European Lola DNA in the shape of the gt40. Looks amazing 👌🏻
Good call, dude. I was a big fan of Eric Broadley too.
The shape of the body shell is all of the European content left. After the car's dismal failure all the hardware was replaced with with American components.
@@bwtv147 the way I look at it, it was a joint effort to beat the Ferrari’s, and we were lucky enough Ford wanted to pull the best people from all over to do it and spend big
Kinda like the p-51. American airframe with that British Rolls Royce heart equals bad ass plane 😉
@@darrenwalters6339 - Very good analogy, Darren!
@@darrenwalters6339 WHAT a British P51 ?
To be honest both cars looks marvelous
The correct team won, they were told to slow and let Miles catch up , that’s not racing
Being a kiwi and one that is a huge history buff. I like to think Ken was told to slow so he did. He expected Bruce to cruise in beside him. But Bruce being a racer who wants to win just put the boot in at the last second..... We will never know for sure but that is how I choose to tell the story if anyone asks.
No. The GT40 was a Lola.
Anyone who knows this car knows that. By the time it started to race a lot of parts / engineering were Ford.
It was a collaboration between both companies.
The 1966 J car was all Ford.
@Brian Bligh - Sorry mate, but that is absolutely untrue. You really need to start reading some factual history of the car's creation and development, as I did. Then you will get the true picture of its creation. For the record, there was not a single part made by Lola in the GT40.....not one!
@@Loulovesspeed I suggest you learn to read better. The Lola was the original test-bed.
@@RyanLye1975 OK, Now you are changing your comment a bit (poetic license I suppose) as you originally said the GT40 WAS a Lola. Now you proclaim that it was just used as a test-bed. That is correct. Of course Ford used it as a test bed, again, to utilize information gained in order to have an idea on how to build a mid engine racer. Being used as a test bed is far from being the same as declaring that the GT40 was a Lola. There were absolutely no Lola components used in the final production of the GT40 MK1. Try again!
@@289cobra9 I believe you meant to say the 1967 J car - the MK IV.