"You're Not Perfect, Sport" Therapist Analyzes Good Will Hunting Scene (Ep 3)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มี.ค. 2020
- I'm finally back with another Good Will Hunting analysis video. This time, we look at the "you're not perfect, sport" scene in which Will tells a joke, talks about Skylar, and Sean talks about his farting wife...basically. I discuss using humour in therapy, imperfection, and whether it's right or not to lecture your client.
It's an iconic scene from the film, partly improvised by Robin Williams as well, which makes it all the more impressive. The counselling here is interesting, different to a lot of approaches in many ways but successful nonetheless.
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I heard somewhere that Robin Williams adlibbed the story of his wife farting. The script had a different story. The shot of Mat Damen laughing was completely genuine as the whole crew were laughing at Robin's story. I guess you really can't stop Robin William's humour coming through, even in dramas.
The shot on Will when he is laughing, you can see the camera jittering, that was the cameraman incapable of containing his own laughter and caused him to shake the camera.
I believe in One Hour Photo, the director mentioned that in order for Robin Williams to play a serious character: He needed to first tire himself out. AKA busting everyone's guts with laughter, before they Film the take. They really need to make a blooper montage of those. I'm sure there'd be enough for at least a trilogy.
That's because Williams knew that humor and drama are not mutually exclusive. It is mixing drama up with comedy that makes it feel that much stronger.
Just like a good roller-coaster has both fast and slow parts in order to create tension and excitement.
Man all these comments give me deeper respect for Williams. Damn.
💗 R.IP., Robin Williams. So this scene traveled through Robin's exteriors of humor and Will's exterior of power playing fear of authority for both to meet in vulnerable emotion and the topic of authentic intimacy with a woman? Beautiful.
I think “times up” is also funny because it brings back what will said after being choked during the first meeting.
The above comment.
Additionally, I think it serves as a gentle reminder to Will that his wife is the only thing that can hurt him.
The call back to "times up" isn't meant to be a warning for Will's sake, but an appeal to Will's conscience because they do have a relationship.
The look of being uncomfortable from Will is less about the session ending, but the look you get when you know you said something to a friend you probably shouldn't have said. Not the worst thing, but you still wish you wouldn't have said it.
I think you can see that in the way he talks to Shawn about his wife in the following session.
I always assumed it was Sean showing Will that he was also a human with flaws and capable of being 'counseled' with the same advice. If the advice is good enough to be given, it's good enough to be accepted. When Sean said 'time's up' I took it as Sean recognizing that Will had essentially acted like a counselor and he was letting Will know that he accepts both his own flaws and the advice being given. I guess a fancy way of telling Will "good point".
@@Absynthexx1 I thinks it's simpler than that. It's Sean's way of saying to Will you are not the only clever one here, by tying it all the way back to their first session. In addition, it takes some of the sting away from that emotionally charged moment they had the first time.
Surprised bro didn’t make that connection in the video, that’s definitely where I attributed it to.
Very true. Wil looks like someone who has insulted his friend so much that he goes home and takes his ball with him. Now no one can play and it's all you fault. We really don't know if time is really up. They don't show the clock
A minor point missed at 16:04 is Will's smile disappearing from his face when he realizes that Sean's wife is dead. This was a resonant moment in the film, because it demonstrates that Will is showing some remorse for antagonizing him in the first session, evidence that a bond is forging between the two. He also has a better understanding of Sean's violent outburst, and probably recognizes that Sean is also no stranger to deep emotional pain, so he's beginning to identify with him on a personal level.
I thought the meaning of the 'time's up' moment was that Will actually wanted to stay and keep talking - as shown clearly by his facial expression. This is a big moment, because it shows that he's shifted emotionally - he now wants the sessions, rather than the reverse.
Has nothing to do with the video, but damn I miss Robin Williams, what a phenomenal human and actor.
I will 80 and still miss him ps I am only 22
Alexandra, has everything to do with the video.
You keep talking about the importance of sticking to the time, reminded me of my last counselor. I came in at our new time, she said she had lunch meetings and had to move me back to the end of the day, and noticed the clock was missing, she said the battery died and she took it down to not confuse people. We started talking and moved onto heavier topics and went on for a while. It took me about 3 weeks to notice that she had changed things to 2-hour sessions and was spending an hour unpaid with me. She was getting ready to transfer and was chasing down a hunch. She was able to figure out I had a severe hormonal disorder that my 6 other therapists didn't think to look into
Sounds like she went out of her way to help you without making you feel uncomfortable about it at the time. Is that how you felt about it?
@@fleetskipper1810 Yeah, I was moved when I noticed it. Honestly, it probably saved my life too.
A good true life story. This actually made my day, hearing about this. It’s been a crap day otherwise. Thanks for sharing!
@@fleetskipper1810 Of course, always happy to share a good story. Take care, it's going to get better
@@andrewwestfall65 wow that’s amazing. What a gift
How did two actors write this?
Seriously, this shows an immense understanding of social and psychological behaviours, written by two people with little to no formal training on the subject.
Phenomenal
I'm thinking they probably weren't actively analyzing in the same way this is when they were writing the script and acting it out, in the same way that will and sean weren't analyzing, just responding to social emotion. If you're an emotionally aware person I think you're aware of a lot of this stuff on an intuitive level, if not a cognitive one.
I don't know if Williams had a hand in writing, but Matt Damon and Ben Affleck wrote the script. They won an Oscar for it. I imagine they had professionals advising them.
And, obviously, Williams won the Oscar for best supporting actor.
The age that Damon and Affleck wrote it too. Phenomenal understanding of psychotherapy and human nature.
People forget that research is done before writing anything. If I were to write a script about war I would be reading war books and looking at videos of soldiers and even looking at other movies to get a better idea about what I should write about. This is probably what they did.
Not only did the 2 of them right this script alone, they did it before they were big and did not have anyone helping them. I think actors are not given enough credit to understand the human condition which is really needed to imitate. This is based in a real person and the script came about when they fantasized about having a friend like that. How would a Southy (which Damen and Affleck are) act if he was THAT smart. It came to them over years of thinking about the subject. They won the oscar for being able to write it down!
I'm in love with the fact that an academic, precise psychoanalysis of a one of my favorite movies can have Controlla by Drake playing in the background.
What can I say? I'm a big fan of lofi hiphop. I often have it playing while I read or write 😅
It seems to me that when Will says that line, "I have been laid, ya know. Big time" He's calling back to the first session where Will challenged Sean and asked him if he lifts weights, to which Sean replied "big time"
You have a more complete understanding of their dynamic than most. I see every piece of dialogue as a meticulously planned move for both to maintain a mutual understanding of deserved intellectual respect as well as serving to express empathy for one another despite any intended or insincere abrasiveness. When one makes a comment that references past dialogue the other acknowledges with a respective verbal nob to the same previous point in time. It is similar to a game of chess. Rza of The Wu-Tang Clan teaches this concept as "Shadow Boxing". This is truely a beautiful film with very deep and layered comprehensive writing. They do very well to maintain a degree of higher communication between themselves by insisting ones every comment be matched with an equal or greater response. Intellectually they may not necessarily consider themselves as equal yet close enough to garner mutual respect. In doing so, they eventually perceive themselves as being equal peers of humanity. They can speak freely with respect for one another as casual friends might in an informal setting. One may have a slightly advanced mental wavelength where the other makes up the difference with a more extensive resource of life experience. They enjoy reminding one another of their respective value with every viable opportunity the other presents. I did very much enjoyed witnessing the duo as they each struggled to gain victory in the obvious game that would manifest during the scene where the unspoken rule was understood the first to speak loses. I like to entertain the idea that Sean, being the professional, was offering Will an out by pretending to fall asleep which can be forgiven by a polite opponent as he is considerably older. A convincing act of falling victim to old age and a lack of mental stimulation would suggest as though he had drifted into unconsciousness, at which point Will seemed to buy the facade and take advantage of a calculated risk he determined would justify his choice to comfortably speak first simultaneously negating any fear of losing the challenge. I would even note he did so with humility by instigating the conversation with a light hearted anecdote that eloquently lays a foundation for the pair to build a more meaningful continuation for their previously postponed interaction. The care that went into confirming for the audience that in fact Will played his had accurately and indeed landed his intended plan to allow Sean to maintain his dignity with respect for his status of being deserving of Wills attention and time by not having to point out that though he may have lost consciousness neither participant had necessarily lost nor won their friendly match as he neither spoke first nor failed in keeping step with the preset quality of conversation.
Possibly one of the most Intelligent films Ben Affleck has ever been featured in before or since.
🍎🤼🍏🥂
@@joshuaparis4617 It was a gamble Will wanted to take, a low enough offer he couldn't pass, using an auction analogy. He seemed anxious to want out of the silence too. But he also played it safe by starting with a joke to keep himself in charge.
Also when Sean says "time's up", this is mirroring Will saying "time's up" at the end of their first session.
Using Wills words against him.
In the words of the great George Lucas: "It's like poetry, it rhymes."
When Will said, "Time's up" in their first session, it was part of Will playing the role of therapist/analyzer (which he played mean, and Sean as the play client reacted mean). In this later session, Sean has slowly, gradually been starting to re-establish himself as the actual therapist and as a kind and wise, human, genuine one Will can relate to and trust and open up to. They have their biggest breakthrough of that so far with the farting story. From his new role of therapist, authority figure, safer version of Will's previous counselors and father, maybe deeper and wiser version of Will's friends - from this new role, he ends the session: "Time's up." Because "Time's up" is traditionally what the counselor says (not the client), as part of safe standard therapeutic structure and boundaries of sessions being a set predictable length. Will very understandably doesn't trust authority figures and so needed to test out Sean's authority and boundaries like toddlers do - and he needed to figure out how to even contexualize/compartmentalize/label/frame/reframe Sean's role (someone to bully? bully? buddy? analyzer of him? someone to analyze? something new?).
Will also needed to see Sean has a backbone and boundaries to respect and understand him. Knowing someone's "weak spot" (Sean's is his deceased wife) likely helps Will feel safer unfortunately since he then knows the best way to hurt that person (though when he did so to Sean, Sean grabbed his throat).
We don't really know if time is truly up or if Wil's comment is like choking Sean. Either way, Sean is not willing to continue, hence the "Times Up"
I think in the movie, he isn't just a councilor, he's a better version of a step dad. He's filling more than one gap.
That's what it means to be a psycho-therapist, though. (Like he says in this video or a previous one, I'm not sure.) The job of a psycho-therapist is to let the client experience a healthy relationship, in order to repair the gap left by an unhealthy one (often during childhood with a core caretaker).
Bravo!
Agreed 👍
I feel like the very sarcastic, joking nature of these sessions is partly inspired by the fact they are both from Southie in boston. The culture of the area, especially at the time, was not so much abrasive or antagonistic but more of very thick skin. It was expected that people could take a bit of teasing or being screwed with slightly without getting heated. I think that them being as aggressive as they are with the jokes is them kind of sizing each other up to see if they really live up to this kind of cultural standard. This is also in direct opposition to the rest of boston which, as the movie so effectively points out, was very snobby and elitist with egos so inflated they were less able to handle some sharper humor.
I secretly think that this is where the stereotype of Boston being a very hostile and unwelcoming city, because this tradition of fairly targeted jokes is quite alien to most people. But ultimately its functions kind of like wood to a rodent, sure it wears down the teeth of a rodent the more a rodent chews on it but the rodent needs it to or else its teeth will grow through its jaw.
That's usually what we do as humans, looking for tribesmen
Southie humour seems very similar to the humour here in England. We’re extremely rude to our closest friends and overly polite to our most hated rivals.
@@ajdo1991 the New England area IS very similarly, culturally, to England. As an adult, most of my major partners have been British (and I went and lived in England with one for awhile) because I get on with their way of being much more than the majority of Americans.
oh thats so interesting. In my culture, joking in general is very sarcastic and, to outsiders/other cultures, can seems very dark and selfdeprecating. which is probably why the joking in the movie seemed, i dunno...normal, to me?
I agree totally--the playfulness, roughness, sarcasm is part of the shared culture. This cultural perspective is something the therapist commenting isn't grasping enough. Will can trust him partly because he's not from the high brow Harvard y academic circles of Boston
I think when Will makes his "Superphilosphy"-line about Sean, Sean realizes that he himself is indeed also living by Will's philosophy (that Sean just questioned) and feels caught. Later in the movie there is a scene that shows that Sean decided to change his behavior by going on his trip - probably because of this comment. When Will is leaving the room it also looks like Sean is reflecting further on it.
"Time's up" is probably Sean's way to regain the upper hand in the interaction after this weak moment.
That's how I read the scene as well.
He might have been caught offguard, but more likely the reaction was to clearly mark the boundary: "we are not playing that game again"
"You're not perfect, sport. This girl you met? She isn't perfect either. But the question is: whether you're perfect for each other."
When it comes to Sean telling Will about his wife's imperfections, I don't see that as Sean telling Will how to live his life. I think it's giving Will a look at Sean the person, and "his" thoughts. Not to challenge him, but simply to show him how he thinks about this issue, because Sean obviously loves his wife dearly... Just how I see it.
I believe that it is also a way to express to Will that he may have gotten laid but that he hasn't really known how to love someone, and, by extention, how to love himself and let other people love him.
Will only has seen abuse in his early life, and people who sees him as a tool, rather than a person.
Sean seems to express that being imperfect is what is at the core of what makes us unique, but also at the core of everyone else.
He expresses in small words that Will can decide to whom he wants to feel vulnerable to, and that if he makes a mistake in sharing those to people, it doesn't make him less of a human, but more of one, because it shows that him, too, isn't as perfect as he seems to be.
It may garnish the perfection point further to push what seems to be a common therapeutic practice of expressing that every action that you do take is a choice that you, consciously or not, make for yourself, and that those choices have consequences.
What is the thing that I enjoy the most here is the mirroring that seems to be taking place.
Sean isn't any different from Will, in a way, and Will telling him the same thing he did get told, I did not see that as humor, but as someone who has started to care for his counsellor.
Even him telling Sean that he got laid big time. It is as if Will sees him, as you said, as a replacement father figure from the one that has not been kind to him.
While any frightened animal will bare teeth and try to attack, with careful movements and patience, we can get that trust flowing.
I think that it is a point where Will actually starts to see Sean not as a counsellor, or a mate, but as someone that he himself never experienced.
💗 I see the farting story as an invitation into a glimpse of how it feels to be extremely, deeply intimate with a woman/lover/partner (so much that her flaws are seen with tender nostalgia) - as if to hint at how rewarding that can be. He suspects Will has never experienced that and imagines his life would grow richer if he'd let his walls down more and open up to that kind of deep, authentic, vulnerable, "imperfect" connection, which he maybe hasn't seen role modeled much if at all.
I love that look on Will's face when he goes from laughing to realizing the funny story is actually also a profound story about grief and love. The humor and laughter disarms him (which is even more touching for us viewers since we know Robin as the beloved comedian and maybe some of us viewers also felt that quick paradigm shift of humor then poignant nostalgia along with Will). 💗
In an earlier scene Will circled around the room prodding at Sean to find his "weakest" spot which turned out to be his wife (the painting and throat scene). Probably fearing counselors would do the same to him - prod and poke at him to find his vulnerability which to him didn't feel like care but like someone looking for weakness to bully him. So he did it to Sean first. Now later on in their sessions, Sean shares right from that most tender, near-his-heart topic that is his wife...right after them bonding over humor. Showing vulnerability isn't always about revealing oneself as weak but can be about revealing oneself as a loving human passing along wisdom and shared humanity. A human who feels deep feelings like grief and love. Who took the big risk of loss (which did come - through death even, a permanent loss) and loved deep anyway. Deep enough to see even flaws as beautiful and memorable. Which can imply he in return was loved so deep back that even his flaws were seen as beautiful and memorable. Which can further imply that if he lets his guard down (instead of the "amateur" move of not calling back a woman after a wonderful date), Will can also experience giving and receiving that deep of love. With the reality check that it is not without the risk of loss and heartbreak.
I see this scene as Sean subtlely becoming more of the wise sage elder dad figure/archetype to Will and less of the enemy. Like the narrator-therapist put it, not an enemy, not a friend, but something different and new.
@@JoyZoneYT I just read your comment after writing my own. Love your comment. 💗
This is brilliant because you are essentially analyzing what I already understood while watching the movie, but didn't quite have the correct words to describe it.
What comes across to me is the brilliant acting of Matt Damon and Robin Williams. I am grateful however for this tutoring as a parent.
Agree
I love the brains in the decision to go right from getting to the point, (his drive to not want people to see his imperfections), back to jokes, to keep him from getting defensive again and also to maintain the joking bond between them. Then he caps it off by it being an anecdote that touches the core issue within, without it feeling preachy, confrontational, or too technical.
Yes i love that!
I really feel like Sean didnt really fall asleep it was a joke you would do with kids. Almost testing a conversation to start
Probably not... that just seems a tad out of character for Sean.
Will couldn't take the risk Sean wasnt faking. Embarrassing him was the perfect way to end the silence. What if Sean fell asleep briefly and then woke up all of a sudden? Will would have missed his chance for a surprise attack.
Dude, for as much as I have been bored with youtube lately, a four part series of substantive analysis my favorite movie is a god send. Its also really relavent for me because I have just started going to therapy for the first time and I feel like I am learning little bits and pieces about myself too. Thanks a bunch for the content!
I never had luck with therapy. At one point was struggling with depression and had two separate therapists. The first one was a struggle to open up to I could never figure out how to express stuff so he decided to go straight to elementary stuff(this is sadness/this is anger/etc.). After that I had a hard time dealing with him because he went straight to stuff your typical 5 year old knows. How could I have known he wouldn't reduce some other aspect to less than a child? The other one I had 3 sessions with and at the end of the last one he said "don't come back until you have something of value to say". So I just didn't. Thankfully, I had a turnaround at work and focused on spending more time with friends and got myself out of it.
Wow. Those therapists fucked up. That is why they say you need to keep trying with different therapists though.
What assholes. Sorry you had that experience.
I have seen so many therapists. None of them skilled. Derelict in Dutch actually. Rare to find a real one. Glad you got yourself together.
Proud of you mate for getting out that slump yourself x
Wow, Kravik, I just read your comment, they both sound like jerks. I know a lot of people struggle with naming their emotions, but that first therapist could have given more age appropriate examples, and that second therapist saying "don't come back until you have something of value to say" is very rude and condescending. No wonder you only had three sessions with the guy.. I'm very proud of you for getting yourself turned around, with the help of friends and work. It takes a while to find the right therapist for you, everyone goes through that frustrating process, if and when you'll need one in the future. Best of luck!
On some random night in the year 2020, you connected with a middle-aged Canadian mourning his father. Well done.
I feel "time's up" is also a playful way of Sean saying... "Ok, you win this round. You've turned my own advice against me. And I'm ok with that..."
I went to therapy for about a year and a half, and the sessions, and the few hours after a session, were some of the most emotionally hard hours I willingly put myself through. Therapy is hard work. They never tell you that until you're there.
I think "Time's up" served another function.
Sean signalled to Will that he hit a spot.
That he might have gone a bit too far.
This could definitely cause the rift between him and Sean to widen again, but i think it solidifies their relationship.
Will is not out to hurt Sean anymore. Feeling bad for hurting him also is a big and important step for Will.
And it mirrors Will saying "time's up" in the first session when Sean grabs him. It's a form of a tap out.
@@ryannorthrup735 Exactly my thought.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the It’s “not your fault “ scene
yep.
I thought it was really bad acting on the part of Matt Damon but absolutely everyone else was a rock star in this Movie.
I remember reading somewhere that a studio higher-up (or, at least, someone not involved in the initial screenplay) insisted on that scene and that Ben and Matt hated it. It's my least favorite scene in the movie, by far. It just feels phony.
@@blunderbuss9984 All valid points in dealing with trauma in real life, but this is a film where pacing, relevance, plot, character development, etc. need to be considered. This scene is discordant from the rest of the movie and I'll tell you why: Firstly, it's anti-climactic. Will has been emotionally shut-off virtually his entire life and because one of his friends keeps repeating "It's not your fault" he has a break-through? It's a little too convenient and not what happens in real life. It's just embarassingly corny in a movie with lots of authentic-feeling characters, situations, and dialogue. Especially with Will's distaste for counselors, I imagined that many had underscored for him how his abuse was not his fault. Also, the scene does nothing to move the plot along. It's not as if Will signficantly changes his behavior after that scene. He is still emotionally distant from/dodges Skyler until the very end of the movie. So it's kind of a big fat "So what?" in terms of its relevance to the story. Chuckie's "I'll fucking kill you" speech is Will's real wake-up call. If one lecture to Will should be paid special attention, it's that scene, for sure.
Finally back with episode 3!
I can't exactly remember what I was planning to leave in the comments but, as an extra explanation as to why it can be bad for the counsellor to show too much of themselves/open up a load:
1) Like I said in the video, the more you open up, the less space that is for the client. The point is, you're trying to tease out a lot of the deeper, unconscious thoughts, and if the client feels like he can just sit there waiting for you speak, those sort of thought may not come to the surface as easily as if you kept silent and left a pause.
2) If you reveal too much of yourself it affects 'the transference'. Put simply, remember how I was saying that we often cast people in particular roles? Will sees people like authority figures to fight back against, or laddish mates? Well if the counsellor doesn't reveal too much of himself, this makes it easier to see the sort of roles the client tries to cast him in. If, for example, you had a client who expects everything you say to be really punitive, and expects that you'll hate him or is kind of people-pleasing out of the worry you'll get fed up with him...that would be interesting to see. That's something to work with, why does the client expect that? If however, you were making effort to show how nice and kind you can be, you may never notice the client expects this punitive side from people. To some extent, counsellors need to be a mirror to reflect all the expectations and assumptions of the client and all the roles they try to cast you in. You don't want to play those roles but you want to be able to see them and to understand what they're all about. Of course it goes deeper than just these clear roles, but that's a simple example.
3) Sometimes you don't want to know about your counsellor because the less distant they become, sometimes the less contained things feel, the more you start to worry about how they react to the stuff you say, what they think about you, if other people will find out. Going to see a counsellor often feels safe because it's a bit like stepping into a completely different world for 50 minutes: you go to this hidden space, open up about a lot of stuff, then can leave it behind again. It doesn't muddy in with the rest of your life. The more you know about your counsellor and discover about their life can affect that.
4) It could just plain annoy the client. I used to have a counsellor when I was at uni who used to talk about herself quite a bit, which made me less nervous to begin with but, after several sessions, it kind of annoyed me because this was supposed to me by time. "Does she not find me interesting enough to fill it?"
5) This one's truer with younger kids but it still rings true. Sometimes they get jealous when they find out about your life outside counselling. Kids with abandonment issues may find it particularly difficult if they discover you have kids of your own. It may make them fear they're not important enough: "when he goes home, he probably forgets all about me, he probably much prefers his own kids, he probably can't wait to get rid of me" sort of thing. That's one example but there'll be other stuff anybody might find difficult to find out about this person who's supposed to be 100% there for them.
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Sean needed his own advice mirrored back to him, and Will knew that. So I don't think Will was just trying to put Sean in check, I think he was also trying to help him.
This just makes me miss Robin Williams.
When I was in therapy my counsellor would give me a 10 minute warning to wrap things up with what I was currently talking about. Then she would ask how I felt about the session in general and I would talk a bit more generally as I gathered my things (sometimes I would bring my journal to remind myself about specific things I wanted to bring up, as a way of stopping my knee-jerk "I'm fine" response)
I had a therapist like that, too.
Christ this movie makes me miss Robon Williams so damn much... the man just exudes an aura of happy warm feelings...
"Tmes up" by Sean was alluding to the "Times up" by Will in the first session. Sean was both admitting he was wounded by Will's comment and cutting the session off at the attacking moment to end the combat. A check mate, also alluding to the chess metaphor by Sean on the bench when he said "you're move sport".
11:37: I love your response to this scene and your interpretation. No matter how smart your audience is, brevity is still the soul of wit, and the soul of heart-changing rhetoric. I definitely want to learn to apply this to my communication with others, and hope more people will want to learn to do the same.
What do you think about Whiplash and its themes of vulnerability vs perfection? There, the perfection actually wins
I think it's a great idea for a video 😆
I'll try and answer now, although I haven't seen the film since it was released. I think perfection technically wins in the sense he achieves it for a fleeting moment, he probably felt such an incredible high from that performance but the question is what comes after? Is his life fulfilled, or will he be chasing that high evermore? Because although he achieves perfection in that moment, I doubt he'd feel totally secure that he's now perfect going forwards. He'll probably give it a few days then want to improve further, he'll have moved the goalposts and decided perfection is still beyond his grasp. I suspect his addiction to perfection will spiral out of control because, even if he got fame, world recognition, fans etc, I still doubt he'll feel perfect.
I think part of reason, beyond what I said in the video, that imperfection is beauty, is because it's human, it's natural, it's exactly what we're meant to be. Anything else is like warping nature. The problem with chasing perfection is that it means telling yourself "who you are right now is unacceptable" which is the same as saying "I hate myself." And if you can't learn to love or accept yourself, it doesn't matter what you achieve, happiness will elude you. I think Andrew would spend the rest of his life still drawing all sense of self worth from what J.K Simmons thinks of him rather than what he thinks of himself. Unless maybe Andrew learned to change, I'd hope he would. That's just my slightly pessimistic interpretation of the film though. I might feel differently if I saw it again. I think you're question is such a good one that I will indeed go and see it again.
@@mylittlethoughttree Great, dude, and watch for the dynamics between Andrew and Fletcher in that final performance. I think Andrew having the courage to say fuck you is what allowed him to blast through it like he did, even if he kind of falls into his old groove a bit again (or does he?) when he looks up for approval
I’m not sure if it helps, but I will jump in and say. I grew up with that level of verbal and physical abuse from my dad. Technically I’m tougher now, but I wouldn’t have responded very well to my conductor coming at me like that. Worse case I’d go catatonic. (Actually I’m talking about my response at where I am at 38, not 21.... yeah I’d have severe PTSD, go catatonic, and probably stop breathing *cuz that’s happened before*)
That isn’t to say I haven’t been PUSHED to be better. My two teachers who thought me editing demanded nothing LESS then my best.
Context. Entry level pre class. Gotta pass to get into the field. I once got a failing grade on a project cuz my professor thought I was just fucking around. “You’re not taking this seriously, if anything you’re mocking an assignment I care deeply about. And I know you can do better!”
I was horrified and told him that “no! I actually took it very seriously. I had, in fact, layered references to other work of similar subject spanning from the 80’s to today into it. I had even collected all the audio myself vs getting them from online.
But yes it was shorter than it should be. I did suck at more avant- guard style editing. I was more at home with linear editing. However I wanted to learn and would take another crack at it.
My other teacher would help me, but he just had the air of “don’t give me less than your best!”
Not once did they pull that.
One thing that always struck me was in the final concert how the look of Andrews fathers face turn into horror, that he no longer recognizes his son. In this way i felt that in Andrews quest for perfection he has completely destroyed who he is and any connection with others around him, Andrew is no longer a person, he is an instrument in Fletchers band, and in any future band. Andrew is no longer an individual he is now a tool with one use and one use only, and once andrew is no longer useful as a tool he will be replaced. Andrew is perfect.
I love that film, so much depth to the characters and their behaviours
Wow. I never realized how brilliant and how much thought went into this script. Bravo
Times up also awakens Will to the fact that this is not a friendship...that they are here to look at Will and not Sean
I heard that the little anecdote about Sean's wife farting in her sleep was completely ad libbed by Williams, and Will's laughter was a genuine reaction by Damon. I don't know if that adds or subtracts from your analysis though (I have no professional experience with counseling).
I saw a counselor after my marriage dissolved. I had just needed someone to talk to more or less, and my work coverage provided a number of free sessions at the place of my choosing.
I still remember, calling in to schedule another session and being told that my coverage had run out and further visits would be at my cost.
I know it's a job, and counsellors need to be paid and have hours of operation just like other businesses... but at that moment it really did feel like all they had cared about was the money. I never went back.
In my opinion, this field of practice should be treated like child care is treated like in France. If you are having a tough time with things as a new parent, you can get a govt worker to come and assist you with things around the home to free up your time to allow you to focus on your kids. I dont understand how counseling and therapeutic services are not a govt supplied service. Ensure a populace has access to mental health services without the stigma of 'they are only in it for the money' makes it more personal and would have definately helped me at a time where I just needed an ear without feeling like I'm 'on the clock'.
I look at it the opposite way. There's a lot of effort being expended to serve the interests of the other person during a good session. Even though it's expensive, paying for it keeps any feeling of indebtedness from sitting in the background, making you hesitant to really get into your problems to the salaried worker across from you who probably just wants to go home at 5.
Obviously it doesn't work that way for everyone, as work ethic is very personal thing, but I know it works that way for some people. The exchange cleans things up. I say this as military personnel, so I've seen counselors as salaried workers. Some are good, some are not, but I'm not a fan of that arrangement, especially since I am a capitalist and ideologically dislike anything that resembles entitlement.
@@craytoncaswell4558 If someone was introduced to therapy under one mode, that mode is probably a good idea to continue maintaining. I believe that is a simpler way of looking at it here.
@Whats In a name Part of everyone's taxes would go towards government funded therapeutic services...yes
Much like most medical services in most 1st world countries. By spreading the costs around you'd be shocked at how easy and readily available most treatments are for those who need it.
@Whats In a name Let me guess... you live in the US...
@Whats In a name It has everything to do with the subject that you brought up.
You likened government funded healthcare, paid through taxes, to someone robbing you... which is a VERY American sentiment.
As I said, most first word countries on the planet have adopted a national healthcare system, with the US being one of the few that hasnt. Big Pharma and Insurance has drilled it into your head that a national health system is evil, because they like their profits... but it's actually the more humane way of running things.
At 17, I had to go into surgery to have a big section of my intestines removed, and spent three weeks recovering with a 10" stapled incision in my gut. Know what that cost my family? Nothing
My dad had to stay in the hospital when his cancer got really bad, and after a lengthy stay, he was permitted to go home where he has recieved groundbreaking new medication, to help keep his cancer at bay, that normally costs $3600/month, with weekly in home nurse visits to change the tubes in his kidneys. Know what that's costing him? Nothing
My brother, at the beginning if December, started having horrible headaches and was diagnosed with a cyst on his brain. He ended up being brought back in requiring emergency brain surgery to remove the cyst, and after spending a couple weeks in a coma afterwards, is now being transferred to a different facility to help him learn how to walk and grab things again. Know what that's costing him? .. nothing
All we do is show our Gov't provided health card and everything else is handled behind the scenes. Its kind of like the 'Leave A Penny/Take A Penny' dish they used to have in stores for people who were a few cents short on a purchase. We all give a little bit in taxes and in return whoever needs medical care doesnt have to mortgage their homes to get it.. or their family doesnt have to ho into debt or eat into their savings to keep a loved one alive.
Giving a little to help others is not robbery, or evil. It ensures that everyone has access to free and easy healthcare so that they come in when issues are small and costs are low. People dont avoid going for medical care because they cant afford it... all that does is leave small issues turn into larger emergent issues that are going to end up costing a hell of a lot more. Youd be surprised how much cheaper a national run system is in comparison.
I wonder about Americans sometimes. Your whole country seems to be about 'Me & What's Mine"... at least that's what I keep hearing everytime subjects like this are brought up and you call helping other human beings in need, 'robbery'.
Perfect timing, finished your last video on GWH today. Honestly, thanks for these, I've always adored these scenes and they're so worthy of such careful analysis. The topic of closeness between counsellor and patient have always confused me somewhat so appreciate your thoughts in the below comment. These videos are gems!
Glad you're enjoying them! The topic of closeness is a big, confusing debate, you're right about that. The comment is obviously just some of the reasons for keeping distance, but there's still the other side of the debate. Personally, my training was always strictly keeping a distance but I've opened up a bit more since then. I guess I think it's good to incorporate other approaches when appropriate
I always like watching your videos every now and a then, they are always so interesting and insightful. I like listening to how you view the world.
That's a really nice comment. All I am technically offering in all my videos is my personal worldview, or the fruit from my little tree of thoughts, so it's nice to know people are interested, thanks for still being here
i don’t know if i’m too late but i’d love an analysis of the argument between Sean and the professor in the “it’s not your fault scene” 😩. i feel the greatest movies often act as a mirror and their argument really struck a cord with me. idk if people have been saying thank you but i just wan say thank u for giving me a place to learn and feel at home yk. it’s not everyday u come across people who want an elaborate analysis on something as minute as a moments pause in conversation. where the lines are dissected as well as in between. thank u. you’re doing great work. love
That scene is one l play often to help myself purge my guilt about my fathers suicide which no therapist has even come close to. Helping me explore. It’s such a powerful scene. Keep well
I was so confused by the fact that the third episode in this series was posted six months earlier until I remembered what you'd said about reposting them and I guess that took longer than I had for some reason assumed. Great video though, I'm in love with this series and can't wait to check out your other uploads.
Listening to these videos really tell me how my therapist helped me more than I knew :)
Sean said "Time's up" as a callback to Will's previous attitude that the time in his office was unimportant. It's a jab to prompt Will to realise that he has actually enjoyed this session. Will is a tough kid, with intellectual superpowers that had meant no one could surprise him before. In his eyes, all the past counsellors were pushovers, people society deems authoritative but Will can see that they are actually unimpressive. The fact he could compromise them in a matter of minutes meant they were unworthy of his respect. I think Will respected Sean for not only sticking through the bullshit, but for breaking his expectations and explaining to him something he did not even know he did not understand.
I think it's lovely that Sean shares personal stuff, and that they share jokes together. It builds a trust with an authority figure that Will has never had, and Sean shows him that it is possible and they they aren't all the same.
i think he says a lot of the stuff you probably wouldn't have said because he's trying to get will to see him as a father figure. that's why he calls him sport and later when forcing him to face his trauma, calls him "son". he gives him a lot of dad like answers. these date convos are convos you have with your dad. the way he came down on will at the park bench is the type of telling all about yourself you'd get from a non-toxic, healthy father.
When Robin Williams' character says 'times up', I think it could also be interpreted as Sean doing exactly what Will was doing. Will was taking the counselor's words and turning it back on him, while sean did the same thing by using the phrase Will uses at the end of their first meeting (at a similar moment of emotional confrontation). I feel like the director is trying to show that they understand each other in this scene.
Great Videos btw, love this movie so much
really wish he had not passed away. sad day
this is brilliant, really appreciate your insights on what a counsellors role is also!
I always think Sean doesn't want to use humour, but he is dealing with a scared kid who only talks to his friends and it works. He does his actually therapy style in the final talk, warm, slightly sad and witty.
I also think it's important to note that by using Sean's own words against him, Will is proving that he was actually listening and taking it all to heart.
The dialogue in this film is killer. Thanks for helping me appreciate it all the more with your analysis!
The algorithm has blessed me today by showing me your channel. I thoroughly enjoyed your analysis and can’t wait til I have some free time to binge your content. Thank you for making this my friend.
The Elizabeth Swann name-drop is absolutely perfect. I’m only three episodes in, but this whole series is.
When Sean says "times up" at the end of the session, he's repeating what Will said to him at the end of the first session.
Pretty much off topic, but... your screenshots, many of Matt Damon’s face show me the subtle hints of emotional change or maybe realization (???). What I’m trying to say and not succinctly enough, is that I think Matt D. deserved an award for his acting as well as his co-screenwriting. Kudos to you sir, opening up an almost 50 aged and jaded mind, to more things you’ll ever know might help us get through each day. 🙏🏼🙌🏼💯
These videos are like candy to me. Your commentary is from the perspective of psychology, but you are actually delving into deeply philosophical topics about human meaning and ethics. It helps that this movie is also a masterpiece. Going to go watch part 4 now!
I very much enjoy these videos as someone who has been to therapy and probably still could use it, as well as a university student in psychology.
On a completely unrelated note, we all know what became of Robin Williams. Seeing him laugh so genuinely here or doing comedy on stage, it's very touching. I know what film I will watch next.
Thank you.
i like the calm lofi beats in the background. Feels comfortable everytime.
Thank God I found part 3 ,the fact its 7 months ago and the others are recent threw me off but I really would've been upset if i had to skip to 4 ,thank you for uploading these...I needed it
Once again fantastic! I enjoy all your voice over work, i can tell when you are smiling and when you are serious Beautiful use of video and editing well done!
I think it’s so strange that people have this idea that therapy isn’t work, or that the therapist is supposed to ‘fix you’ and your role in therapy is a passive one when like even learning and maintains a hobby is hard work. As an example I taught myself how to knit, it was hard at the start, sometimes really frustrating and eventually got easier but I continually find more complex things to challenge or add to my skill set. In the end you did something that you can either be proud of or strive to improve in the future. So if you even take a hobby seriously why wouldn’t you take your mental health just as serious.
I really enjoy these videos on Good Will Hunting. It's a wonderful, emotional movie, and I enjoy your analysis of the scenes. As you explained these scenes, I realized something I hadn't noticed before: Will has the same role to Sean as Sean has to Will. That's what makes this movie unique. Both characters come from a place of pain, for different reasons, and both of them use these sessions to move forward. Will uses these sessions to begin trusting people, and Sean uses them to learn to take the same risks he's telling Will to take. While they meet in counseling to save Will, in the end, they both save each other. Will, Sean, Skyler, their almost-chance interactions save each other; that's the beauty of the film.
I think the ‘times up’ comment had more to do with Sean reasserting the established boundary about disrespecting his wife. Will telling him he should get remarried might seem like a slight to the depth of the relationship he had with his wife, and he wanted to hold firm to this boundary, at least until the therapeutic relationship grew.
I looked at is as will used Sean's logic back on him and sean really had no answer for it so he cut the conversation off to avoid the answer.
I think you’re right.
I think it was also Sean‘s way of reminding Will that Will had wasted a lot of time in the session and that if he wants to talk some more he has to come back.
@@fleetskipper1810 he didn't waste a lot of time, in fact that session was incredibly valuable as he opened up and rapport was established. And the fact that Will backed off when the boundary was established again at a sensible and personal subject, it showed that there are also signs of respect and empathy.
I think the heart of this story is about the journey through life for both of these characters has stalled out. One is a broken man who has decided that drink and depression are his only true friends, and the other is a young man whose transition into manhood is stuck in a holding pattern. Each one needs to figure out how to move on, so every step forward in the therapy sessions benefits them both in some way. Sean's grief has him marooned in a deadly calm he has become accustomed to, and Will is frozen in midstride by his understandable fear of opening up to anyone. Sean needs a swift kick to help him realize he still has plenty of life ahead of him, and Will needs the courage to enter the unknown. Their arcs are intertwined because they need each other.
A brilliant story written by two young men and launched into the stratosphere by the greatness of Robin Williams!
Nice synopsis!
@@fleetskipper1810 Thanks!
I've enjoyed these, it is one of my favourite movies. its good to see how its interpreted by others and how well the script is, because it is just a movie, an important one for many reasons, not least of which the two of them who wrote it and produced it as their first movie, how much effort and realism they put into the down to earth feel of it, not perfect much like their understanding of the characters played out. its good to see this for others who may not be aware and to give deeper insight into what therapy and counseling is from an inside perspective of the reason for it! well Done!
This is the second video. I’m a new subscriber. It’s so helpful to hear this. I wish I could ask questions but this is public. I just have questions about therapy. You give so many good clues about what’s appropriate and what’s helpful and what’s not. I need to hear about this. I never heard anyone talk like this before. I don’t know why no one else ever explains these things.
I’d love you to do an analysis of the counselling sessions in “Ordinary People.”
Brilliant suggestion.
Ordinary People is a great movie.
Yes, please do! That is one distressing movie to watch, but profound at the same time.
20:45 For the "times up" at the end of this session, that echoed the "times up" from the end of the 1st session. Each one has "won" a session using the same move. Now they both know giving and receiving that move. Now they are equals, and can start doing the real work.
I'm so happy that your brilliant essays on this film are finally blowing up! Good job my friend, really proud of you
Thanks man, hopefully the same can follow for you soon 😊
@@mylittlethoughttree Same
Thanks for sharing your insights on counseling by using this epic movie. That Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were able to write such an insightful script at such a young age is a testament to their intuitive grasp of the human condition.
Thank you! Just what I needed to hear at this time in my life in history and America
You missed that the 'time's up' was sean throwing something that will used against him in the first session. It was also a way of putting the ball back in his court to use the next time more effectively than twiddling thumbs trying to show off.
Bingo on both points.
These are really enjoyable videos. My favorite movie and you’ve put words to a lot of reasons why I feel that way. Thank you
19:20 it also shows he has been listening and that he has been a participant in the conversation
Such a juicy video. Thank you for the video and analysis! I learned a thing or two I think I can apply to my own life.
Honestly this is one of the most beautiful scripts I've ever heard..
You're very good at presenting sir. I feel like I'm following along and also entertained. Also very good recap
Enjoying the series so far. Thanks.
I'm quite liking this channel, just subscribed. I haven't seen Good Will Hunting but I have seen many councillors over the years and have found them mostly very helpful. I agree that there are unique qualities to each one as everybody is different and if it works and helps that is a great thing. I'm looking forward to checking out your other videos, thanks for your positivity, please keep up the good work!
Damn good content! It’s interesting to get an insight into why I love this movie so much. I never stopped and asked myself what’s resonating so much with me in it but now I can understand. The interaction between Will and Sean is so sincere and I can absolutely buy everything they say and do. Adding to this are all those subtle acting choices of Matt daemon and Robbin Williams.
So thank you for giving someone with no knowledge on Psychotheraphie this analysis.
Really enjoying these analyses. I will say I always took Will's line "I know what I'm doing" as a slight admittance of his own shortcomings.
loving these videos. i think i take away a different interpretation of that "times up" moment. i think Will struck a real chord and it penetrated Sean. i don't think he was merely smiling out of amusement. i think it stung, but it was also clarifying for Sean, but it was something he would to need to process a bit, like the painting analysis, only more accurate and sincere. it wasn't just a moment of insightful banter that he took in stride. it was more than that. and it reaches its conclusion at the end of the movie.
I think part of the point in this movie is that Will was helping Shawn deal with his issues, too. So while a lot of what Sean did was probably not appropriate in 'normal' counseling, there was something therapeutic about it for the counselor also.
If you recall, he was talked down to by Jerry, as though being a therapist was a lowlier job than being a college professor, and he was spoken to as though he was some un-ambitious flunkie who was incapable of doing anything else, so was 'stuck with' being a mental health counselor.
I always took it more to having to do with Sean being a ‘teacher’ at a Community College, rather than a “professor” at a prestigious school, such as MIT, as Jerry is.
I love the soundtrack in these videos. Very good choice of music :)
This analysis (heh) is fucking amazing.
My dad was a psychiatrist and I was a precocious AND horribly depressed 11 yr old who had been bullied in school for 5 years for my name, my weight (pudgy, not obese), my "tender heart (as my aunt thought of me)," and my intellect. In elementary school, everyone is figuring out the social hierarchy...and the other boys weren't a fan. I was bright, although not bright enough to realize I shouldn't answer every question in class if I was looking for connection among my peers; probably the hardest lesson I ever learned in grade school.
I was forced into therapy for my depression and social anxiety (wasn't a chemical imbalance, but a repeated circumstantial issue) when my only thought was, "holy shit, if anyone finds out about this it's game over for me...aren't I dealing with enough right now, already..?" It was awful for me at time. It's awful for anyone who is a self-contained stoic who doesn't want to make any vulnerability public.
But the silence game...oh, that was vicious. I didn't want to be there, the therapist (maybe analyst...I didn't know the difference at the time) was unwavering. So I plopped down on the couch to lie down, because that seemed the thing to do from everything I understood about therapy at the time...
...and that's almost all I did....for multiple sessions.
Several times I looked over during these "who's going to talk first" moments and he had fallen asleep in his comfy chair. I didn't even try to get the upper hand, it just validated my thought that I didn't need to be there. Obviously I needed to be there, though.
One day I got bored of the monotony and I just started talking. Not the entire session, but I figured, "what the fuck...the silence is annoying me, too."
I don't think he ever really helped me in any way that I can quantify (that's a longer story)...but therapy isn't someone necessarily leading you anywhere. Therapy is about leading yourself with someone to walk the path with you. I think this is why I love this movie so much...and your analysis.
A lot of things you've said in this series have been really interesting to me, as someone who's received a lot of therapy from a variety of therapists, but I particularly liked what you said about clients making fun of their therapists because I've done that a lot. I have schizoaffective disorder, and one day, years ago, my then-therapist was making a lot of spelling errors in their notes and said "I feel like there's something wrong with my brain today" to which I replied "I know the feeling". They laughed, as I gather was the correct response, but it really did feel to me like a moment of connection.
Very funny at the end when you follow that moment of silence with, "I won't." 😆
"Times up" was a reference to the last thing Will said during their last session, hence the smirk he gave.
My favorite movie. I love the way you're breaking it down.
another good analysis! I would like to add that in the first session(s) Will defines the end of the scene with "times up" and in this session Sean finishes the session off!
This video made me laugh at the "big time" line way more than if ever have. So funny how stopping and reflecting on scenes makes you see things
I love these videos. Aspiring counselor. This just interests me so much
Good Will Hunting is my favorite movie. I love this analysis! Keep up the good work.
Your videos are wonderful, man. One small critique, and this is a somewhat old video so you may have already fixed this, but sometimes your additional text points on screen go away a little too fast. Like the one around 10:34.
As someone who’s fairly new to a lot of these ideas (which I’d imagine is your target audience), it’s not just about reading it through, I need to comprehend it as well, which can be a bit challenging when you’re also covering interesting topics in the VO. If I’m gonna read and comprehend while also trying to understand what’s being SAID simultaneously, the text has to be there for a bit longer. Set the pace to consistently be nice and slow an I’ll feel like I can take my time understanding what I’m reading.
Long-winded comment here, but overall VERY well-made video! You’ve got yourself a new sub!
Will was not just "sitting" there. He was counting seconds. It was "very impressive" to Sean.
Just a sidebar thought here, but I think that another layer toward this analysis is Sean's wit and one-liners was the yin to Will's yang. Their sessions were that one in a million pairing where both their personalities were able to come out and not just thoughts and words and in a sense helped both men heal from a rotten past and move forward with a new perspective on life. That was another reason for the office tension during their first session, it was revealing that both men in the same room were in pain and exploiting their flaws in one another was what Will wanted to aim at. Essentially saying, "We're both messed up, you have a degree and you think that makes you qualified to cure me?"
Sean counteracts that with at first an impulsive urge of rage by reaching for Will's neck but after reflection of the interaction sees it for what it really was a deflection from the questions.
In the end, both lighten up and see things differently after their time together. Will sees people in a new light and now is confident in the things he does, while Sean sees his profession in a new perspective appreciating that people are layers of emotions and it takes real patience and compassion to help them and not just a series of notes and prescriptions. Overall, a very deep film, and I thank you for this review of it, I haven't watched it just yet but your take on it is inspiring me to want to watch it now. :)
Request: Please do a movie review with, "My Dinner with Andre." Would love a video analysis on their talk that made cinematic history.
I think the “times up” is accurately done by Robin Williams, Will took 45 minutes to finally say something to Sean and this good genuine conversation comes into the room. I feel like Sean lowered the tension for the next session knowing that he won’t be able to have will open up in the time needed. Saying “times up” illustrates that Sean respects his own time which Will finds respect for. Also, it gives the impression that Sean can’t be controlled on wills rules and he doesn’t want him to put his defenses back up. Ending on a good note, Sean I think is showing himself respect for his time which has Will respects him and accepts ending the season on a good note.
16:50 -ish mark. I feel this part is key. The sharing of his own personal experience followed by his slightly philosophical thoughts on the matter. Different strokes for different clients but for a client like Will, for a client like I've been. This bit is the gold. The vulnerability and then someone else's considered view on life. It's not that long compared to an hour's session and it's the real good stuff.
The best therapist I've had so far dropped in some personal things. With that, I knew I could trust the, I knew they were human. I was more happy spilling things about myself if I was getting a little back. I personally like an 80/20 ratio. For the 80% I'm saying about me, helping the therapist get to know me, I like a 20% back from the therapist themself.
The approach I didn't get on with was a lovely enough therapist but one who kept trying to fit me into the psychological model he'd picked out after the first session. That was a bit naive I felt.
Different strokes and all, but the 80/20 ratio works pretty good for me. I prefer a therapists personal insight as top tier, then philosophical insight, then psychological best practice. For other clients, it may be different.
just for the avatar joke i am subscribed now. Great stuff man, been following since ep1 i really enjoy it and I am glad you did not quit on the first one when all copy right stuff and footage got deletd, gg u the man