One could almost argue that the "unfortunate" reaction of the therapist was part of his cultural competency of South Boston. It's definitely a reaction Will understands.😉😂
Completely agree. As off-putting as it is, physical domination was the only way to get respect. And he didn't SLAP him or anything. He just pushed and gripped his throat, but light enough for him to still speak. For this specific case, it makes a lot of sense.
I think "for Will" that was necessary. He NEEDED someone he could push to the point of getting physical, but wouldn't walk away from him. Look at his buddies. They were all as itching for a street fight as he was. You think they never mixed it up between themselves? They probably had a few scuffles between themselves but stayed friends which is why he trusted them. But that's why Sean was the perfect match for him. Far from ideal, nothing that ever should be taught, but it was needed.
After watching this movie a lot of times, my interpretation is that an important reason why Will really grows to trust Sean on a deep level is that he sees Sean's shouting match with Gerry. Sean doesn't know Will is there, but he's still fighting furiously to protect Will's right to make his own decisions. When Will sees that, he knows not only that Sean truly cares about him but also that Sean "gets him" and respects him as an autonomous human being.
Trust is important in therapy because it's what pushes people to show their vulnerabilities and it's what keeps them coming back, especially if they have abandonment issues.
I made the mistake of watching Cinema Therapy's video on this movie while gardening last spring. Had no idea what it was about, and ended up SOBBING in my backyard cause the breakthrough scene hit way too close to home 😅 Must have looked pretty nuts to the neighbors
When Sean was repeatedly saying to Will, "It's not your fault," Will shoved Sean in fear and anger. Rather than respond with the same anger and physical force, Sean gently put his hand on Will's neck in a display of compassion. In that instant, Sean became the caring, supportive parent that Will never had. Will's "inner child" came roaring out into the open, as he finally had a safety net to catch him.
Great reaction! Thanks. Side note that made me smile - The Mathematician probably called something Freudian in their argument because that's the only psychological term he knew not because he though that what was said was actually attributed to Freud. It was a good breakdown of attachment theory though :)
I know im a few weeks late to this but for the question of trust between the Therapist and Attendee and why it's crucial: Therapy/emotional therapy is the business of dealing with the human soul, the very essence of a person. Now, nobodys gonna let you tinker around in there unless they trust that you know what you're doing-and more importantly, that you understand what difficulties they're going through. If you dont have trust then its like trying to build a house on sand. Everything we try toi construct-understanding, healing, progress-it all comes crumbling down. Not to put too fine a point on it but trust in itself is the glue in any relationship, its the singular reason someone may open up rather than shut down. Love your breakdowns Doc! Keep up the good work
While grabbing Will's throat was obviously unprofessional and illegal, I think it plays further into Sean relating to him. Sean is aware of Will's history of violence and the social dynamics of his upbringing so getting physical shows Will that they aren't so different.
I enjoyed your video on "Good Will Hunting." It took me a long time to trust my therapist and initially therapy is really scary. You need trust to be vulnerable. I would also like to see you analyze the therapy scenes and family dynamics in the movie, "Ordinary People." I also enjoy your analysis of TV and movies and your perspective on mental health issues. ❤
I love your content! You're such a professional and analytical, but also funny and humane voice on these very important topics, and I always enjoy your videos. Your genuine empathy and desire to help people is so apparent and it is actually helping me undo some mental generalisations about therapists that I'd formed after a negative experience with one, and I'm even considering giving therapy another shot again, in part because of positive role models like you. Re: other videos on movies and shows, have you considered reacting to Succession? I feel like there is so much interesting and relevant mental health content to talk about in that show, especially when it comes to abusive family dynamics and how those cycles can be perpetuated, but also lots of other things like substance abuse. I also loved your previous video on Breaking Bad and it would be really cool to see you react to more of that show.
I’d argue that in this case, though it be a breach of professional ethics, the fact that Robin Williams didn’t just get upset, but attacked him instead of running away, helped their dynamic. He never defended himself, but he (literally) went straight for his throat when his wife was disrespected. He managed to get past Will’s guard, get a throat grip, and gave him ONE final warning. Given the violence in Will’s background, I think that was a necessary step to communicate he was someone to be respected. Which is why Will didn’t turn him in. But yeah, Code of Ethics says that’s bad.
I would love to see you analyze "Fathers & Daughters", its about the own journey of a therapist, her childhood, her adulthood, her relationships as a child and the consequences as an adult, adding that she is a therapist
Please react to Ordinary People. I saw this at a time when I was experiencing a great deal of distress and found that I could empathize with all 3 of the main characters. It helped me get perspective on my life. Thank you for your insights and keep up the good work!
The idea that therapy isn't always supposed to be comfortable is important, and I wish more clients AND therapists were more willing to go there these days.
Loved the insight on the methods. IQ as a single score is generally considered pretty useless. It’s basically just a pop quiz, but you could still study for it. I guess it’s alright at measuring your ability to pass tests. It’s also generally a mistake to assume intelligence is some innate skill that applies to the solving of all types of problems. An architect might suck at psychology, or a professional sports doctor might suck at pediatrics. I’m pretty good at math, but despite having a passionate and relatable geometry teacher, I struggled and got a C. Intelligence is just too complicated to lump into one score.
Trust is so important because you're opening yourself up to the most vulnerable parts of yourself on the basis that whatever is said isn't going to be repeated or judged, which is especially important if you've had prior negative experiences being judged/ criticized and privacy disregarded. I've said things in therapy and when I've seen my counselor's expression, I've had to hastily overexplain or back pedal because I felt like I was "wrong", and then the rest of the day I'd spend thinking "I shouldn't have said that" and I go in more guarded next time. I tend to swear more when I'm anxious, and I try not to during my counseling sessions but they can bring up some anxious topics. So with my new counselor, at first, I kept apologizing for my "bad"/unprofessionalism, but when he swore, it took me aback for a second but made it so much relatable and I didn't feel as judged, and I've been able to open up more to him than anyone.
If I go to 52 therapy sessions with the same person, and they show up every time and wait without speaking the entire session to allow me a chance to speak my mind first, and decide the direction of the session, that demonstrates an incredible level of care for me. This person will do whatever it takes to be on my side. If I am not ready to talk, then they accept that. They will wait as long as I need. That speaks volumes about who they are.
I'm often accused of being stubborn, but when I've attended therapy I have 0 idea what to say. Feels like a catch-22 - I'm coming for help w/something but have to "fix" it by myself before we even start. immensely frustrating
@@jessicastevens5782 I would encourage you to try to loose your priority of purpose with your words. I had a therapist for 7 years, sometimes I would want to talk through something with him but I would remember it til there was 10 minutes left. Try to type 3 things in a note 2hrs, or before you leave for your session. Just try to label the issue, don’t try to give it a synopsis. Read it off, or had the note to your therapist.
Importance on trust: shown in this movie. Change comes through vulnerability. A patient can come in and tell you that everything is okay, or just the same, which is probably what they tell anybody else. If the patient doesn’t feel safe to be vulnerable with you or feel like you have their best interest at heart, then they will give you nothing to work with. Even if you do have a direction to lead them, they would be less likely to follow it if they don’t feel like they can trust you. They’re afraid of how they could be hurt or judged, and they need to feel like the therapist would not do that
Dr. Elliott could you react to the film "Ordinary People", a 1980 Best Picture Oscar winner dealing with survivor's guilt, with Judd Hirsch as the therapist and Timothy Hutton as his 'stuck' patient, & parents Donald Sutherland & Mary Tyler Moore, who have their own issues. Excellent performances by all involved!
Trust is important in therapy because the client needs to be able to talk honestly about things they're vulnerable about. They won't feel safe doing that if they don't trust the therapist.
Intellegence wise, we measure it through these tests, what about intellegence that comes into play with things like creating art? Would that still count as intellegence? It would maybe be more harder to quantify.
There is a difference though between being on probation and being on parole, although they both often end up with someone going to jail for violating the terms. In the U.S someone on probation is basically a warning. If you complete it, and dont get in trouble, your record goes away. Someone on parole is released early from their sentence
3:38 - hold on, are you telling me, my brain is actually good at something? I could always do that - I can even manipulate the object in my head, turn it move it; I particularly love being able to take a quick peak into a room and when I am back out, I can recall the moment in my head and count how many people and roughly who is who. Not 100% accurate always, but very close!
This was a great video! Some other pointers about the discussion around intelligence and heritability are: - Heritability is a measure of the genetic components of a trait in a population (importantly, not in a person), so even if we knew the exact heritability of IQ it would still tell us next to nothing about specific cases - Another problem with the discussion around heritability is that in the VAST majority of cases, environments are also heritable because we grow up with our biological parents. The only real exception would be with adopted chicldren. This makes it even more difficult to meaningfully dissect the two concepts. - However, despite that there have been several studies that have found that IQ is very maleable, ESPECIALLY by early childhood experiences. See for instance "The science of early adversity: is there a role for large institutions in the care of vulnerable children?" by Berens and Nelson (2015) or "Cognitive Recovery in Socially Deprived Young Children: The Bucharest Early Intervention Project" by Nelson et al (2007) :) I love that you've gotten back into making videos!
Trust that you're not gonna be judged, that the therapist can understand your point of view. Trust that the therapist isn't there to screw you over, but to help you understand yourself better. Trust that your "weirder" thoughts are met with indifference, making it safe for you to express yourself, thus understand yourself better.
Agree with you on court ordered therapy. I did not find benefit from therapy until I was ready to accept help and was at a point where I wanted to get better. If a court had ordered me to be there, I would have begrudgingly went, but it would have had no real benefit
I think trust is probably important in a therapy setting because its related to that willingness factor. If you don't trust someone then you are going to be more guarded and reserved, if not in your overt actions then at least within your mind. I'm sure there are some base emotional stimulations that go along with that headspace, by I think another relevant part is the belief, faith, spiritual, placebo, whatever you want to call it part. Some part of your mind has to think its going to work or else the brain wont waste resources changing itself. Thats how I understand it all at least, but I'm just a random dude so I'm sure I'm wrong about some parts or leaving out other important bits
Goodwill Hunting is one of my favorite movies of all time and it because the whole movie is about how to actually be understanding towards another human, I think its a beautiful film
I believe trust is important because the therapist will not always support you 100%, sometimes they will call you out on behaviours that are not okay or that can at the very least be mended (and let’s face it, if we are in therapy A LOT of us will have to be mended :D ) Personally I struggle with acceptance, if someone compliments me I will dismiss it straightaway but if they criticize me I will take it to heart; I need to trust my therapist because I need to know when she supports me for real and when she is objecting to something I say, that makes my healing process much clearer to me. But this is just me ^^”
it'd be nice to have a therapist like robin william's character. or at least a connection like that. the therapists i've been to felt like i was in a doctor's office answering 21 questions. so sterile, cold, dispassionate.... i don't know how anyone could feel comfortable talking, opening up and being vulnerable in environments like that. maybe for light issues it's fine but if you have depression, personality disorders, anxiety, etc you need someone and a setting where you feel safe, comfortable, and you have to get a sense of humanity, compassion, and empathy from the therapist
On trust: because of the nature of therapy, there is a necessity for vulnerability. One cannot be vulnerable enough to share information of what's affecting us (the patients), if we don't trust whom we are giving the information to.
Spot on about someone with a photographic memory not necessarily reflecting a high intelligence level. If you haven't watched a movie called the Paper Chase, please do. One of the characters has a photographic memory and reminded me a friend in college who had one as well.
Great analysis and a fasntatsic movie. They don't make them like that anymore. Maybe you could take a look at 'Her' with Joaquin Phoenix. Or 'A Beautiful Mind. with Russel Crow. Or 'Mr Robot' with Rami Malek. Love your videos❣
So interesting thing about IQ. I spent so much of my time thinking it was bullshit whackadoodle because as a child my Catholic school had me "tested" because I couldn't focus and would act out in class. And since "girls can't have ADHD" I must have just been "touched" there words. The person who tested me said I had an IQ of 80. I was basically treated like a dumb animal throughout elementary school. Fast forward 15 years later, half way through a clinical psych degree, ADHD diagnosis and retook an IQ test...120. Shits wild man 😂
Hm, my last therapist gave me a questioner with around 120 questions. I noticed that there were the same questions just in a different way, so if you answered 5 (on a 1-5 scale) you would have to answer 5 on one, 1 on the other, to answer the questions as you fell, meaning you have to read them. I confronted her about that, and she said they are in there just to keep people from lying. Anyways, we had a nice relationship, she didn't "cure" me from from my panic attacks, but we were friendly.
The best part of this film is that there is no true "villain". Everyone just wants what's best for Will with varying degrees of misguidedness. Also everyone loves to bang on about the "it's not your fault" bit but my favourite line in the whole film is when Will says "don't fuck with me Shaun. Not you". Will isn't used to being allowed to be vulnerable when someone challenges him (see the wrench, stick and belt conundrum) and to me it is the most beautiful line in the whole movie
Good Will Hunting was a bit too real for me and I could only see it once. Ugh, therapy was hell back then, and family therapy was excruciating. There were things I was happy not to have known about, but was forced to know from a person I knew nothing about. Talk about trauma. I will never go through it again. Even when I accidentally walked into a psychologist office here in Japan thinking I was seeing another kind of doctor, the psychologist was more than happy to prescribe me anti-depressants even though I was there by accident and in the wrong place (I was looking for a doctor to treat a pulled nerve in my neck). On the topic of trust, trust is absolutely everything. When I was younger, everyone I met had my complete trust until they broke my trust in some way. However, as I got older and I came into contact with more people who sought to destroy my trust, I have the barriers up 24/7. I am like a knight defending my kingdom. You will not have my trust until you prove yourself an ally, then just maybe I'll let the drawbridge down. But, that doesn't mean you can cross it.
I have a wonderful therapist who is incredible at helping but the past couple years she keeps having so many personal issues that shes gone more than she is around. Therapy is amazing when it happens but we can go months without talking and it just makes it so hard to trust.
Non-judgmental stance can be applied to ourselves, too. It is fair to not be judgmental that your therapist is forced to be unavailable. If that is affecting your therapeutic relationship, that’s fair too. It would be reasonable to ask them to help you find a new therapist if this pattern is going to continue. Not because either of you are doing anything wrong, just because if the situation doesn’t work it’s ok to acknowledge that’s true. Of course, if that changes and they can be more regularly present, that’s great. If they help you decide you’re better with someone familiar albeit inconsistent, that’s ok too. But the situation is what it is, no judgment required. :)
How has lack of trust contributed to things going wrong? My psychiatrist has been charged with one count of sex@ual assault and one count of assault (yes, and his license has not been suspended while he awaits trial) I can never NEVER talk to him about a bunch of my SA traumas because of this. As there is a grievous shortage of psychiatrists in my area I cannot be seen by anyone else. So I am well and truly screwed.
Mozart and Beethoven studied music since they were s mmm small children. They didn’t suddenly understand music on their own. They studied hard and practiced long hours,
We can argue that they were born with a pre-disposition to understand musical notes, scales and musical theory. They DID understand music on their own. They are just like children who are born gifted in mathematics or artistic expression. Gifted children have teachers help them refine and expand their knowledge and performance.
First shutter island Then good will hunting I'm sooooo happy Thanks u Thanks u 💖😊💖😊💖😊💖😊💖😊 Its not your fault I know It's not your fault Still hurts 😭💔😭💔😭💔😭💔 I hate crying
Are IQ scores really relevant? For most of my life I did not understand the questions, hence scored low.. Bit how will calculating when a train travelling with speed x and stopping at y stops will arrive at z station really measure one's abilities in life? Once I completed a computer science course, I was able to answer those questions in an instant... so technically before the courses i was low IQ, after the course I was high IQ.. Something does not add up 🤭🤪
How can you be expected to open up about anything in front of a factual stranger? You have to trust them to at least not use your vulnerability against you, to be professional and helpful.
Additionally, you will , consciously or unconsciously, hide important information from someone you don’t trust, either because they have proven untrustworthy or the relationship is too new for trust to develop. I lied to my psychiatrist the first time I met him because I didn’t want to be committed. I might still choose to do so, but I am less likely given our 20 year relationship.
Uhm... being good at math has got nothing to do with intelligence, it's just memorizing equations and changing the numbers. For something to test your intelligence it must be something that is new to you that you don't know the solution too nor have memorized similar problems.
Mathematics is NOT just memorizing equations and changing numbers. Not even close. Mathematics is one of several academic disciplines that are founded on problem solving and logical reasoning. Human intelligence has many interconnected facets: problem-solving, creativity, abstraction, learning ability, critical thinking, self awareness, etc.
LMAO you reacting to the therapist grabbing Will by his neck with "well that's less than ideal" sent me
One could almost argue that the "unfortunate" reaction of the therapist was part of his cultural competency of South Boston. It's definitely a reaction Will understands.😉😂
Completely agree. As off-putting as it is, physical domination was the only way to get respect. And he didn't SLAP him or anything. He just pushed and gripped his throat, but light enough for him to still speak. For this specific case, it makes a lot of sense.
@@mp_1231 Yes agreed. But...if this happened in "real life" 1-1 work. Not good.
It's not good but it makes sense why it happened in context
@@slashandbones13 Yes.
I think "for Will" that was necessary. He NEEDED someone he could push to the point of getting physical, but wouldn't walk away from him. Look at his buddies. They were all as itching for a street fight as he was. You think they never mixed it up between themselves? They probably had a few scuffles between themselves but stayed friends which is why he trusted them. But that's why Sean was the perfect match for him. Far from ideal, nothing that ever should be taught, but it was needed.
After watching this movie a lot of times, my interpretation is that an important reason why Will really grows to trust Sean on a deep level is that he sees Sean's shouting match with Gerry. Sean doesn't know Will is there, but he's still fighting furiously to protect Will's right to make his own decisions. When Will sees that, he knows not only that Sean truly cares about him but also that Sean "gets him" and respects him as an autonomous human being.
"The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off."
I just can not believe how fluid and insightful you are... it's insane. One of my new favorite people on planet earth. Great video brother.
Trust is important in therapy because it's what pushes people to show their vulnerabilities and it's what keeps them coming back, especially if they have abandonment issues.
I made the mistake of watching Cinema Therapy's video on this movie while gardening last spring. Had no idea what it was about, and ended up SOBBING in my backyard cause the breakthrough scene hit way too close to home 😅 Must have looked pretty nuts to the neighbors
YAY!! I've been wanting you to react to 'Good Will Hunting' for a long time. 🤗
When Sean was repeatedly saying to Will, "It's not your fault," Will shoved Sean in fear and anger.
Rather than respond with the same anger and physical force, Sean gently put his hand on Will's neck in a display of compassion.
In that instant, Sean became the caring, supportive parent that Will never had.
Will's "inner child" came roaring out into the open, as he finally had a safety net to catch him.
Great reaction! Thanks. Side note that made me smile - The Mathematician probably called something Freudian in their argument because that's the only psychological term he knew not because he though that what was said was actually attributed to Freud. It was a good breakdown of attachment theory though :)
I know im a few weeks late to this but for the question of trust between the Therapist and Attendee and why it's crucial: Therapy/emotional therapy is the business of dealing with the human soul, the very essence of a person. Now, nobodys gonna let you tinker around in there unless they trust that you know what you're doing-and more importantly, that you understand what difficulties they're going through. If you dont have trust then its like trying to build a house on sand. Everything we try toi construct-understanding, healing, progress-it all comes crumbling down. Not to put too fine a point on it but trust in itself is the glue in any relationship, its the singular reason someone may open up rather than shut down.
Love your breakdowns Doc! Keep up the good work
Off topic: Love that there's a different queen in the background every episode 😎
Interesting episode, as always!
Oh, and will there be anything on the series The Good Place?
I love this movie so much I’d watch every TH-cam reaction to it twice just to see others enjoy it as much as I do lol
While grabbing Will's throat was obviously unprofessional and illegal, I think it plays further into Sean relating to him. Sean is aware of Will's history of violence and the social dynamics of his upbringing so getting physical shows Will that they aren't so different.
What a fantastic video -- thank you for making it!
To answer your question: trust is... trust is... life 😌
This is one of my fav. Films of all time. Was excited u did a cover on it.
I enjoyed your video on "Good Will Hunting." It took me a long time to trust my therapist and initially therapy is really scary. You need trust to be vulnerable.
I would also like to see you analyze the therapy scenes and family dynamics in the movie, "Ordinary People." I also enjoy your analysis of TV and movies and your perspective on mental health issues. ❤
I love your content! You're such a professional and analytical, but also funny and humane voice on these very important topics, and I always enjoy your videos. Your genuine empathy and desire to help people is so apparent and it is actually helping me undo some mental generalisations about therapists that I'd formed after a negative experience with one, and I'm even considering giving therapy another shot again, in part because of positive role models like you.
Re: other videos on movies and shows, have you considered reacting to Succession? I feel like there is so much interesting and relevant mental health content to talk about in that show, especially when it comes to abusive family dynamics and how those cycles can be perpetuated, but also lots of other things like substance abuse. I also loved your previous video on Breaking Bad and it would be really cool to see you react to more of that show.
I always love ur vids Dr Elliot but this one was especially good. Thanks so much for the amazing content!
I’d argue that in this case, though it be a breach of professional ethics, the fact that Robin Williams didn’t just get upset, but attacked him instead of running away, helped their dynamic. He never defended himself, but he (literally) went straight for his throat when his wife was disrespected. He managed to get past Will’s guard, get a throat grip, and gave him ONE final warning.
Given the violence in Will’s background, I think that was a necessary step to communicate he was someone to be respected. Which is why Will didn’t turn him in.
But yeah, Code of Ethics says that’s bad.
Without trust, I would not have felt safe to open up about things that I kept hidden for so long
I would love to see you analyze "Fathers & Daughters", its about the own journey of a therapist, her childhood, her adulthood, her relationships as a child and the consequences as an adult, adding that she is a therapist
Definitely would love to see you react to Ordinary People - the therapy scenes with Dr Berger are some of my favourite in a movie.
Please react to Ordinary People. I saw this at a time when I was experiencing a great deal of distress and found that I could empathize with all 3 of the main characters. It helped me get perspective on my life. Thank you for your insights and keep up the good work!
Without trust, you won't get to know me. Without knowing me, you can't help me. Fairly straightforward 🤝
The idea that therapy isn't always supposed to be comfortable is important, and I wish more clients AND therapists were more willing to go there these days.
Loved the insight on the methods.
IQ as a single score is generally considered pretty useless. It’s basically just a pop quiz, but you could still study for it. I guess it’s alright at measuring your ability to pass tests.
It’s also generally a mistake to assume intelligence is some innate skill that applies to the solving of all types of problems. An architect might suck at psychology, or a professional sports doctor might suck at pediatrics. I’m pretty good at math, but despite having a passionate and relatable geometry teacher, I struggled and got a C. Intelligence is just too complicated to lump into one score.
Trust is so important because you're opening yourself up to the most vulnerable parts of yourself on the basis that whatever is said isn't going to be repeated or judged, which is especially important if you've had prior negative experiences being judged/ criticized and privacy disregarded.
I've said things in therapy and when I've seen my counselor's expression, I've had to hastily overexplain or back pedal because I felt like I was "wrong", and then the rest of the day I'd spend thinking "I shouldn't have said that" and I go in more guarded next time. I tend to swear more when I'm anxious, and I try not to during my counseling sessions but they can bring up some anxious topics. So with my new counselor, at first, I kept apologizing for my "bad"/unprofessionalism, but when he swore, it took me aback for a second but made it so much relatable and I didn't feel as judged, and I've been able to open up more to him than anyone.
My spouse had a therapist in 8th grade for her first 52 sessions she did not say one word. (Yes she’s that stubborn/persistent 😂)
But she still came to at least 53?
Must have been doing something right.
If I go to 52 therapy sessions with the same person, and they show up every time and wait without speaking the entire session to allow me a chance to speak my mind first, and decide the direction of the session, that demonstrates an incredible level of care for me. This person will do whatever it takes to be on my side. If I am not ready to talk, then they accept that. They will wait as long as I need. That speaks volumes about who they are.
I'm often accused of being stubborn, but when I've attended therapy I have 0 idea what to say. Feels like a catch-22 - I'm coming for help w/something but have to "fix" it by myself before we even start. immensely frustrating
@@jessicastevens5782 I would encourage you to try to loose your priority of purpose with your words. I had a therapist for 7 years, sometimes I would want to talk through something with him but I would remember it til there was 10 minutes left.
Try to type 3 things in a note 2hrs, or before you leave for your session. Just try to label the issue, don’t try to give it a synopsis. Read it off, or had the note to your therapist.
@@marvelsandals4228 I agree, she told me he once played jenga by himself, and once fell asleep, but I think we can give him a pass.
This is the one film that makes me cry everytime I watch it. Thanks for covering it
I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS OMG
Importance on trust: shown in this movie. Change comes through vulnerability. A patient can come in and tell you that everything is okay, or just the same, which is probably what they tell anybody else. If the patient doesn’t feel safe to be vulnerable with you or feel like you have their best interest at heart, then they will give you nothing to work with. Even if you do have a direction to lead them, they would be less likely to follow it if they don’t feel like they can trust you. They’re afraid of how they could be hurt or judged, and they need to feel like the therapist would not do that
Dr. Elliott could you react to the film "Ordinary People", a 1980 Best Picture Oscar winner dealing with survivor's guilt, with Judd Hirsch as the therapist and Timothy Hutton as his 'stuck' patient, & parents Donald Sutherland & Mary Tyler Moore, who have their own issues. Excellent performances by all involved!
Trust is important in therapy because the client needs to be able to talk honestly about things they're vulnerable about. They won't feel safe doing that if they don't trust the therapist.
There is nothing without trust in therapy
Intellegence wise, we measure it through these tests, what about intellegence that comes into play with things like creating art? Would that still count as intellegence? It would maybe be more harder to quantify.
Oh man, the hug scene always has me tearing up...
This is one of my favorite movies. So powerful. Please look into doing Ordinary People or It's Such a Beautiful Day, as well!
There is a difference though between being on probation and being on parole, although they both often end up with someone going to jail for violating the terms. In the U.S someone on probation is basically a warning. If you complete it, and dont get in trouble, your record goes away. Someone on parole is released early from their sentence
3:38 - hold on, are you telling me, my brain is actually good at something? I could always do that - I can even manipulate the object in my head, turn it move it; I particularly love being able to take a quick peak into a room and when I am back out, I can recall the moment in my head and count how many people and roughly who is who. Not 100% accurate always, but very close!
This was a great video! Some other pointers about the discussion around intelligence and heritability are:
- Heritability is a measure of the genetic components of a trait in a population (importantly, not in a person), so even if we knew the exact heritability of IQ it would still tell us next to nothing about specific cases
- Another problem with the discussion around heritability is that in the VAST majority of cases, environments are also heritable because we grow up with our biological parents. The only real exception would be with adopted chicldren. This makes it even more difficult to meaningfully dissect the two concepts.
- However, despite that there have been several studies that have found that IQ is very maleable, ESPECIALLY by early childhood experiences. See for instance "The science of early adversity: is there a role for large institutions in the care of vulnerable children?" by Berens and Nelson (2015) or "Cognitive Recovery in Socially Deprived Young Children: The Bucharest Early Intervention Project" by Nelson et al (2007) :)
I love that you've gotten back into making videos!
11:37 "well that's less than ideal" lmao!
You can see their relationship growing when Robin starts calling him chief, then Will and after that he refers to Will as "son". Truly remarkable.
Trust that you're not gonna be judged, that the therapist can understand your point of view. Trust that the therapist isn't there to screw you over, but to help you understand yourself better. Trust that your "weirder" thoughts are met with indifference, making it safe for you to express yourself, thus understand yourself better.
Wish I could, I’ve had 7 therapists in the last 8 years, they all sucked. I’m about to turn 18 so I hope my new therapist is better.
Agree with you on court ordered therapy. I did not find benefit from therapy until I was ready to accept help and was at a point where I wanted to get better. If a court had ordered me to be there, I would have begrudgingly went, but it would have had no real benefit
I think trust is probably important in a therapy setting because its related to that willingness factor. If you don't trust someone then you are going to be more guarded and reserved, if not in your overt actions then at least within your mind. I'm sure there are some base emotional stimulations that go along with that headspace, by I think another relevant part is the belief, faith, spiritual, placebo, whatever you want to call it part. Some part of your mind has to think its going to work or else the brain wont waste resources changing itself.
Thats how I understand it all at least, but I'm just a random dude so I'm sure I'm wrong about some parts or leaving out other important bits
Goodwill Hunting is one of my favorite movies of all time and it because the whole movie is about how to actually be understanding towards another human, I think its a beautiful film
I believe trust is important because the therapist will not always support you 100%, sometimes they will call you out on behaviours that are not okay or that can at the very least be mended (and let’s face it, if we are in therapy A LOT of us will have to be mended :D ) Personally I struggle with acceptance, if someone compliments me I will dismiss it straightaway but if they criticize me I will take it to heart; I need to trust my therapist because I need to know when she supports me for real and when she is objecting to something I say, that makes my healing process much clearer to me. But this is just me ^^”
it'd be nice to have a therapist like robin william's character. or at least a connection like that. the therapists i've been to felt like i was in a doctor's office answering 21 questions. so sterile, cold, dispassionate.... i don't know how anyone could feel comfortable talking, opening up and being vulnerable in environments like that. maybe for light issues it's fine but if you have depression, personality disorders, anxiety, etc you need someone and a setting where you feel safe, comfortable, and you have to get a sense of humanity, compassion, and empathy from the therapist
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On trust: because of the nature of therapy, there is a necessity for vulnerability. One cannot be vulnerable enough to share information of what's affecting us (the patients), if we don't trust whom we are giving the information to.
Spot on about someone with a photographic memory not necessarily reflecting a high intelligence level. If you haven't watched a movie called the Paper Chase, please do. One of the characters has a photographic memory and reminded me a friend in college who had one as well.
9:00 So did Robin Williams
Great analysis and a fasntatsic movie. They don't make them like that anymore. Maybe you could take a look at 'Her' with Joaquin Phoenix. Or 'A Beautiful Mind. with Russel Crow. Or 'Mr Robot' with Rami Malek. Love your videos❣
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So interesting thing about IQ. I spent so much of my time thinking it was bullshit whackadoodle because as a child my Catholic school had me "tested" because I couldn't focus and would act out in class. And since "girls can't have ADHD" I must have just been "touched" there words. The person who tested me said I had an IQ of 80. I was basically treated like a dumb animal throughout elementary school. Fast forward 15 years later, half way through a clinical psych degree, ADHD diagnosis and retook an IQ test...120. Shits wild man 😂
Hm, my last therapist gave me a questioner with around 120 questions. I noticed that there were the same questions just in a different way, so if you answered 5 (on a 1-5 scale) you would have to answer 5 on one, 1 on the other, to answer the questions as you fell, meaning you have to read them. I confronted her about that, and she said they are in there just to keep people from lying. Anyways, we had a nice relationship, she didn't "cure" me from from my panic attacks, but we were friendly.
The best part of this film is that there is no true "villain". Everyone just wants what's best for Will with varying degrees of misguidedness. Also everyone loves to bang on about the "it's not your fault" bit but my favourite line in the whole film is when Will says "don't fuck with me Shaun. Not you". Will isn't used to being allowed to be vulnerable when someone challenges him (see the wrench, stick and belt conundrum) and to me it is the most beautiful line in the whole movie
Good Will Hunting was a bit too real for me and I could only see it once. Ugh, therapy was hell back then, and family therapy was excruciating. There were things I was happy not to have known about, but was forced to know from a person I knew nothing about. Talk about trauma. I will never go through it again. Even when I accidentally walked into a psychologist office here in Japan thinking I was seeing another kind of doctor, the psychologist was more than happy to prescribe me anti-depressants even though I was there by accident and in the wrong place (I was looking for a doctor to treat a pulled nerve in my neck).
On the topic of trust, trust is absolutely everything. When I was younger, everyone I met had my complete trust until they broke my trust in some way. However, as I got older and I came into contact with more people who sought to destroy my trust, I have the barriers up 24/7. I am like a knight defending my kingdom. You will not have my trust until you prove yourself an ally, then just maybe I'll let the drawbridge down. But, that doesn't mean you can cross it.
You might want to take a quick look at an even earlier movie with a similar psychological theme: Ordinary People.
I have a wonderful therapist who is incredible at helping but the past couple years she keeps having so many personal issues that shes gone more than she is around. Therapy is amazing when it happens but we can go months without talking and it just makes it so hard to trust.
Non-judgmental stance can be applied to ourselves, too. It is fair to not be judgmental that your therapist is forced to be unavailable. If that is affecting your therapeutic relationship, that’s fair too. It would be reasonable to ask them to help you find a new therapist if this pattern is going to continue. Not because either of you are doing anything wrong, just because if the situation doesn’t work it’s ok to acknowledge that’s true. Of course, if that changes and they can be more regularly present, that’s great. If they help you decide you’re better with someone familiar albeit inconsistent, that’s ok too. But the situation is what it is, no judgment required. :)
Such a great movie.
My brother in law is the smartest dummy I've ever met.
I know that photographic memory is actually eidetic memory because of Sheldon in The Big Bang Theory
First time reaction…. Um, probably not. Nice evaluation and analysis of the dynamics at play, um probably. Cheers.
How has lack of trust contributed to things going wrong? My psychiatrist has been charged with one count of sex@ual assault and one count of assault (yes, and his license has not been suspended while he awaits trial) I can never NEVER talk to him about a bunch of my SA traumas because of this. As there is a grievous shortage of psychiatrists in my area I cannot be seen by anyone else. So I am well and truly screwed.
Because trust is life
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Mozart and Beethoven studied music since they were s mmm small children. They didn’t suddenly understand music on their own. They studied hard and practiced long hours,
We can argue that they were born with a pre-disposition to understand musical notes, scales and musical theory. They DID understand music on their own. They are just like children who are born gifted in mathematics or artistic expression.
Gifted children have teachers help them refine and expand their knowledge and performance.
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Are IQ scores really relevant? For most of my life I did not understand the questions, hence scored low.. Bit how will calculating when a train travelling with speed x and stopping at y stops will arrive at z station really measure one's abilities in life? Once I completed a computer science course, I was able to answer those questions in an instant... so technically before the courses i was low IQ, after the course I was high IQ.. Something does not add up 🤭🤪
If you don't trust the professional you can't be vulnerable with them.
If you can't be vulnerable with them you can't get any meaningful therapy done.
LSD and psychedelics in general should be legal for all kinds of therapy.
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Beautifull Mind Next?
Obviously trust is life lol
Aren’t intelligence tests somewhat culturally biased as well?
There's a history of that for sure. The case I know of is against black Americans.
I think the modern tests take that much more into account though.
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How can you be expected to open up about anything in front of a factual stranger? You have to trust them to at least not use your vulnerability against you, to be professional and helpful.
You have anxiety attacks. You’re gay and closeted. You see a therapist. It’s the 1970s. You trust Valium more than your therapist. Can you dig it?
Valium definitely won’t out you, or even judge you. I hope this theoretical me has found the world to be making big progress, and feels much safer.
You don’t want to open up and be vulnerable with a person you don’t trust.
Additionally, you will , consciously or unconsciously, hide important information from someone you don’t trust, either because they have proven untrustworthy or the relationship is too new for trust to develop. I lied to my psychiatrist the first time I met him because I didn’t want to be committed. I might still choose to do so, but I am less likely given our 20 year relationship.
It's the MEDIAN value, not the mean. I don't know why it annoys me so much when people get it wrong...
That mean value should learn to be nicer....
Uhm... being good at math has got nothing to do with intelligence, it's just memorizing equations and changing the numbers. For something to test your intelligence it must be something that is new to you that you don't know the solution too nor have memorized similar problems.
Mathematics is NOT just memorizing equations and changing numbers. Not even close.
Mathematics is one of several academic disciplines that are founded on problem solving and logical reasoning.
Human intelligence has many interconnected facets: problem-solving, creativity, abstraction, learning ability, critical thinking, self awareness, etc.
Intelligence is easy to define. Intelligence is, what the intelligence-test measures (now please don't ask any further)