He had the flanger on for just 4 chugs during Unchained . I love the intermittent use of certain pedals. It makes a statement. Eddie mad a lot of statements.
It’s a subtle Phaser on this riff set to about 9 o’clock. Watch any clip of Eddie play this riff and you can also see/hear him kick the Flanger on/off momentarily. It’s something he used to do all the time on other tracks such as: Unchained, Atomic Punk, etc. It adds another level of excitement to a part. There’s a great magazine article where Eddie shares his exact pedal settings.
All you have to do is listen to the isolated guitar track and you’ll clearly hear a distinct change in sound on the last three notes. And it definitely sounds like a flanger on top of the phaser.
I think it's important to point out he only used the effect for those 3 notes for the 4 bar intro and for one note during a dive and one note at the end listen to the isolated track personally I don't use the effect but that's just me thanks guys and rock on!
Pretty sure he had the phase on for the whole riff and a flanger was added (or substituted) on the last three notes. In the studio, you can control where the sweep starts. I have the rack mounted MXR flangers from the 70s and they are just the best, have been used on so many classic recordings (Life in the Fast Lane). No clue if Eddie did this while tracking or it was added later. This is not an uncommon trick for Van Halen, there is flanger on small portions in other songs too.
I wonder how many guys boiled their strings after reading an interview where he claimed he did that. He also claimed to use the variac at 140 volts into his Marshall. 🤔😁
The beginning of the riff, he’s palm muting the Am arpeggio action and hits the C B without muting. Definitely has to do with dynamics. I use my flanger more like a phaser. Maybe it’s a flanger though the whole thing and not a phaser. I’m willing to bet it’s an always on flanger, just set to not extreme warblely wave mode. Phasers react differently than flangers. The quieter you play dynamically with a phaser, the more pronounced the effect is. A flanger seems to do the opposite. Could be wrong. Probably wrong. 🤣
Phase 90 is only on the solo sections…which he also overdubbed with an electric sitar. And, of course, he had the Echoplex running throughout the entire song. That is the most important effect, I think, and unfortunately, he never tried to replicate it for live performances after he switched to the wet/dry/wet setup. I can do it without the flange and Phase 90, but I gotta have that echo repeat smacking back.
I've seen live footage of Eddie stomping on some kind of sweeping pedal on those 3 notes.. whether it was a flange or phase I don't know.. but the footage is out there. I think he had a light phase on the whole riff and brought in a medium flange those 3 notes.. but that's just how I hear it
Very well thought out, executed, and presented video, Robert. By ponder this further, does that mean this may be addressed again in the future? One thing I've learned about you is, when you discover new information, if you think it warrants a video, I've come to expect a video (or follow-up videos, as the case may be). Great Job, and please keep the quality videos coming, Robert!
And.. reverb gives it depth, a delay gives the hollow tone. I use the Metal Zone for my distortion which gives bite to the notes the Metal Zone has so much people tend to crank it, wrong... the dials are there for a reason.
I believe he replaced the foot switch on the flanger with a momentary switch -- switch only stays on while being pressed down and does not snap on or snap off (ie. stays smooth).
He definitely used a phaser throughout the entire intro riff and then added the flanger for the last 3 notes. At least it seems to me he used it that way. He does similar things on songs such as Unchained. Uses an effect for only a few moments - to give the riffs another texture/dimension/vibe. Works great and makes sense to me.
Had the Ibanez flanger like mxr 117 in 1979 got stolen Foot on foot off. Someone confronted me about the tape machine I was foot switching lmao, just the bungwagon of an axe teacher trying to sell me the merits of the 7 thru 13ths I'd seen in the Mel bay book
I think it was an Envelope filter or Univibe. Still to this day I say Phaser. I also thought I saw a documentary and Eddie said he played clean, and they added the effects in production. I cant remember what it was but it was many years ago i saw the video were Eddie talked about it. The Flanger is to harsh
I went back and listened closely. To me I totally hear a phaser on the whole time and a flanger kicked in for the last three notes. You can really tell when the rest of the band kicks in, because the modulation on those last three notes is gone as they come in.
Wow, this is kind of a tough one. The Flanger seems to sound close. It could also be a once in a lifetime shot when he recorded it, who knows? Probably only Eddie knew for sure. He was super protective of his tricks and licks. Great video Robert!
I think it was a flanger but i don't know how he made it sweep in both directions. It almost sounds like the flanger is always on but turned way down and it's turned up on those last 3 notes. Could have been done post processing and maybe thats why it sweeps both directions. It's only at the very beginning. You can hear it on the isolated guitar track a lot better. I can distinctly hear the phaser come on just before the solo so i don't think it was the phaser.
That joyo is a boss style flanger ,they make another one that's an EHX style flanger...if you get an MXR flanger,micro or big box ,you will nail the lick because that's what Ed used ,I'm almost nearly 70% positive...try it.
Hahahaha when I saw this in notifications, I thought someone was defending EVH from my trolling. I think a lot of the stuff he did that people thought was flanger could have very well been EVH Phase 90. It's entirely feasible that he could have used flange for those three notes, but what if he used them both in conjunction, or even like your Phase 95 demo, used EVH Phase 90 more and set it to sound more like a flanger? I use a flanger more like a chorus, and he could have been doing that also in conjunction with the EVH Phase 90 for best of both/all worlds. Mheh Who the Hell knows . . . .
Robert I think you might be onto something there buddy dig this.... the flanger puts it too over the top you would have to have minimal sweep settings and it just doesn't make sense for him to push that only then and what about the live shows I have watched many Van Halen live shows ( on youtube)particularly during that intro riff and I don't see him pushing a flange button for three notes it doesn't look like it, looks like a continuous seamless evh playing and the effect is STILL THERE I think it is a combination of that Echoplex and the phase 90 and not palm muting the three notes.. in my opinion the flanger on any setting puts those three notes over the top especially when combined with phase 90 that is I think only turned off during the verses and when he turns the volume down on the third verse but Eddie Van Halen was a genius he has been fooling people for years and even after his passing people are still talking about this and probably will for years to come rest in peace evh you were a guitar God the guitar God!! love your vids Robert
The reason why the three notes are so prominent is because he might be picking them harder and really digging in causing the effect to broaden and be more prominent at that time I don't know how I've gotten into this evh debate about effects but it has my interest because I am currently chasing that tone
Phaser or flanger there is nearly Limitless possibilities on how he could have dialed in the settings the phase 90 has only one knob but a flanger has three or four and the settings that he may have used if used the flanger really made the difference everything I've seen so far is just over the top and seemingly inconvenient for three notes if you use the flanger he was very sparing on the dials because the effect is subtle but there and it can be made with either pedal phaser or flanger depending on how you dial it in
Hey Robert! Cool subject so at the factory Eddie played Beatiful girls and turned his back on us when he did the harmonic with the floyd down and brings it up he played for us workers often I did not know him that well but did talk sometimes I've noticed alot of channels getting on the clickbait Eddie train and that's alright I suppose but what bugs me is alot of these have it way wrong especially what his guitars were made of he did not allow poplar bodies or maple fingerboard or alnico 2 pups those only made it out of the factory when he was on tour even then he would pop in and if he saw that going on he demanded those guitars be disassembled he really was a great guy at heart but did guard his secrets and mislead people especially interviewers thanks Robert for a great channel 😀!
Wow,, Robert ,,, Love EDD and all he did & this is 1 if my all time favs + Unchained, but I'm not sure, with U giving it test sounds really possibly the combo on the end, so I'm sitting with U on the fence brother,, I'm 50/50 or 5150, lol, Only Edd could tell us, Great topic Robert keep it up brother,,,
Obscure effects habits are not exactly my thing; HOWEVER, a close examination between two of Rush's albums bears examination. Counterparts is presented as a stripped back, raw sound. The very next album Test For Eco bears no such claim. The drums use a distinctive technique, but that's not the point.
Haven't watched Vedio yet!! I've heard flanger used all over place along with various Delay ped settings. Just my professional hearing. Often wondered if used any looping and our any auto pitching. Man was and is a beast in so meany ways. If i recall another artists used Flanger ped a lot was Pat Travers with that said on too the video thanks for this. So often wondered about Eddies on stage effects. He could turn em on so quickly. Then again the guitar tech had his own effects rack he knew exactly on the effects Eddie need at any given part of song. Don't know he's name but had and did HELL OF A JOB💪👏❤🎸🎙
That’s actually more common than you might think. Dimebag had his tech control his pedalboard from the side of the stage, as well. Dime used plenty of effects, but he didn’t want to spend any time tap dancing on a pedalboard in the middle of a show.
Seems like a lot of busy work while playing. Maybe done in the studio but, to do that on stage would have glued him to the pedal board. If guys want to do that while playing, hats off to you but, why bother. The Phaser works just fine by itself. I agree with you that it was probably just the way Eddie played it and considering he recorded his amp in the studio at full volume, or close to it, just made the effect more pronounced.
That’s 100% incorrect - it’s on the c/b/c and the outro. I have the isolated track and have even done a dead on copy w/ the original tracks. I can send you one of each - it’s very clearly used if you hear the isolated track.
Wouldn't it be just crazy nuttty wutty hilarious if he just used a "circuit bent" pedal? Oops! I just may have started a massive pedal burning annihilating viral wave, but don't tell anyone. (It's a secret I got by channeling EVH. He also said he likes Robert's Guitar Dungeon.)
I love this videos content, but I take exception with your notion that kicking on one of "the warbly" type pedals do not always start with the upward swing you described. As an effects pedal builder and designer, most of these pedals use what is known as an LFO which is short of low frequency oscillator. From the moment the power is applied to the device in question, the LFO is free running constantly. Kicking on the pedal only allows the guitar signal to enter the circuit and the LFO will start effecting the signal from wherever it was in its sweep. The exceptions to this would be a VCLFO, or voltage controlled low frequency oscillator which are often used in synthesizers. Synthesizers are where us guitarists get most of our "warbly" effects from anyway, but no guitar effect company is going to spend the time nor the money to develop the LFOs swing to start right when the pedal is kicked on every time. It just sits there sweeping up and down in a free-running manner from when the power is applied until the power is shut off. Now it may be that they played with the flanger on numerous tracks until they got it right, or they just got lucky. @Robert's Guitar Dungeon
I know that when Eddie used a flanger it sounded really cool, when I use one it doesnt sound very good at all. Didnt he use one on UNCHAINED? I saw a cover version online where a player made great use of it. Good show man, great topic.
*Which* flanger are you using? They aren’t all the same. A Boss, for example, just won’t sound the same as EVH’s MXR. Even the small MXR might not be able to be set the same as the 4-knobber. The timing of that sweep is pretty important.
@@CentaurusRelax314 it has been quite some time since I even tried one, I guess I gave up quick. Thanks, I will look into the different kinds if I should at some point try to put one in my arsenal. Well, come to think of it, I have a Zoom MS50 g multistomp box that probably has one in it. ( it has taken me quite a long time to navigate around that one)
@@saltpeter7429 You're welcome. I'm no expert on the matter, but the EVH tone is the most important one for me to 'nail.' I have a Kemper, and it has a built-in flanger. I briefly tried that for the Aint Talkin'... and Unchained bits, but got dismayed by all the parameters, and i never did get it to sound authentic.So, i bought a TC Electronic pedal for that specific purpose-trying to get an easier way to dial it in, but not wanting to spend much money on 3-4 notes that i dabble with. But, that was unsatisfactory, as well. That's where my perspective on 'the right flanger' comes from. It's entirely possible that you can use something other than an MXR/EVH flanger to do it, but when i was searching for a less expensive way, i never really liked the demos i found online using other gear. So, if this sound is critical for you, I'm kinda of the mind that you have to get the (big) MXR/EVH flangers. The PHASER thing, though, that's another story. I was so obsessed with 'accuracy' that i bought the Custom Shop MXR Script '78 Phase 90 and paid a b***load extra for Analogman to mod it.... And then i pretty quickly sold it, because the Kemper's phaser did the same thing. Oy vey. EVH Brown Sound is a rabbit hole. It's fun and fascinating, about as much as it is frustrating.
He only uses the phaser during the solos and the breakdown. The sound you think you’re hearing as a phaser during the opening riff is his echo plex delay threw a wet dry setup. He kicks the flanger on during the resolve of the riff “those 3 notes”. I consider this matter closed.
I dont really understand what is so "unorthodox" about flipping an effect on for a few notes. It seems like an excellent way to use some of the more over-the-top settings that flangers and phasers can muster without it becoming overbearing and obnoxious. Even if this isnt what Eddie did in this case, what exactly is wrong with this idea?
@@RobertWJackson Oh I did. I guess im just curious about why you initially were resistant to the basic idea of it. What exactly didnt make sense about the idea?
I cannot believe how many wrong comments there are in both videos. There is no phaser in the intro. the only phaser in the song is during the solos. it is the flanger that he kicks on during the last few notes of the riff. there is quite a difference in sound between ed’s flanger and phaser. a true vintage script phaser is incredibly subtle, nothing like the swirl you hear in the intro riff. i think the confusion is caused by modern phaser having a stronger wetness that might sound like a flanger. the only time he ever mixed the flanger and phaser is the sound before the solo in Atomic punk where it sounds like a plane crashing.
there are a lot of things people tend to continue debating based on the myth “we will probably never know, only he did”. people with the right gear have done the tests and the nerds will tell you flanger. casual listeners that may have heard once that eddie used phase 90s will still tell you he had it on all of the time, when he really only used it for solos. 90 percent of the time it was just straight with a light echoplex delay.
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He had the flanger on for just 4 chugs during Unchained . I love the intermittent use of certain pedals. It makes a statement. Eddie mad a lot of statements.
5 then 4 😅
It’s a subtle Phaser on this riff set to about 9 o’clock. Watch any clip of Eddie play this riff and you can also see/hear him kick the Flanger on/off momentarily. It’s something he used to do all the time on other tracks such as: Unchained, Atomic Punk, etc. It adds another level of excitement to a part. There’s a great magazine article where Eddie shares his exact pedal settings.
All you have to do is listen to the isolated guitar track and you’ll clearly hear a distinct change in sound on the last three notes. And it definitely sounds like a flanger on top of the phaser.
You can hear the phaser click on only in the solos
I’ve always thought it is an always on flanger along with his picking and using the amp tubes. Good video as usual.
I think it's important to point out he only used the effect for those 3 notes for the 4 bar intro and for one note during a dive and one note at the end listen to the isolated track personally I don't use the effect but that's just me thanks guys and rock on!
Pretty sure he had the phase on for the whole riff and a flanger was added (or substituted) on the last three notes. In the studio, you can control where the sweep starts. I have the rack mounted MXR flangers from the 70s and they are just the best, have been used on so many classic recordings (Life in the Fast Lane). No clue if Eddie did this while tracking or it was added later. This is not an uncommon trick for Van Halen, there is flanger on small portions in other songs too.
I wonder how many guys boiled their strings after reading an interview where he claimed he did that. He also claimed to use the variac at 140 volts into his Marshall. 🤔😁
" In search of Brown". A documentary by Warner Herzog.
I know LOTS of people who’ve boiled their strings. LOL
I boil eggs
He needed the Variac cause he had a 240V marshall lol
I don't know what he used but I could see him kicking it on for 3 notes but I have no idea. I love Eddie he was so killer!
I've simulated it with wah. Keeping it simple. Had done that when my effects died, generally used phaser and wah, wah and a boss delay all i use now
The beginning of the riff, he’s palm muting the Am arpeggio action and hits the C B without muting. Definitely has to do with dynamics.
I use my flanger more like a phaser.
Maybe it’s a flanger though the whole thing and not a phaser.
I’m willing to bet it’s an always on flanger, just set to not extreme warblely wave mode. Phasers react differently than flangers. The quieter you play dynamically with a phaser, the more pronounced the effect is. A flanger seems to do the opposite.
Could be wrong. Probably wrong. 🤣
I was so sure it was a flanger,i have an ibanez flanger just for that reason
I was always sure it was a phaser. Now I don’t know anymore. LOL
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I’ve always been on the “Flanger” side of this debate, but nonetheless great video and exploration :)
Phase 90 is only on the solo sections…which he also overdubbed with an electric sitar. And, of course, he had the Echoplex running throughout the entire song. That is the most important effect, I think, and unfortunately, he never tried to replicate it for live performances after he switched to the wet/dry/wet setup. I can do it without the flange and Phase 90, but I gotta have that echo repeat smacking back.
.....I thought it was a Fuzz pedal connected to a Kirby vacuum.......and THAT is why I am a drummer ;)
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You can't be a drummer... you know what a vacuum is.. and probably know how to use one :)
@@onefatstratcat HAHAHAHA.....Made my day!
I've seen live footage of Eddie stomping on some kind of sweeping pedal on those 3 notes.. whether it was a flange or phase I don't know.. but the footage is out there. I think he had a light phase on the whole riff and brought in a medium flange those 3 notes.. but that's just how I hear it
Very well thought out, executed, and presented video, Robert. By ponder this further, does that mean this may be addressed again in the future? One thing I've learned about you is, when you discover new information, if you think it warrants a video, I've come to expect a video (or follow-up videos, as the case may be). Great Job, and please keep the quality videos coming, Robert!
And.. reverb gives it depth, a delay gives the hollow tone. I use the Metal Zone for my distortion which gives bite to the notes the Metal Zone has so much people tend to crank it, wrong... the dials are there for a reason.
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I believe he replaced the foot switch on the flanger with a momentary switch -- switch only stays on while being pressed down and does not snap on or snap off (ie. stays smooth).
He definitely used a phaser throughout the entire intro riff and then added the flanger for the last 3 notes. At least it seems to me he used it that way.
He does similar things on songs such as Unchained. Uses an effect for only a few moments - to give the riffs another texture/dimension/vibe.
Works great and makes sense to me.
I still think its the phase90 but keep in mind what Ed is also doing with his left hand and his right too cause of his picking technique.
Had the Ibanez flanger like mxr 117 in 1979 got stolen Foot on foot off. Someone confronted me about the tape machine I was foot switching lmao, just the bungwagon of an axe teacher trying to sell me the merits of the 7 thru 13ths I'd seen in the Mel bay book
I have joyo flanger its the stuff'..... danelectro phase is reasonable version of phase 90 have mxr though
I also read all effects were added post recording
I think it was an Envelope filter or Univibe. Still to this day I say Phaser. I also thought I saw a documentary and Eddie said he played clean, and they added the effects in production. I cant remember what it was but it was many years ago i saw the video were Eddie talked about it. The Flanger is to harsh
I went back and listened closely. To me I totally hear a phaser on the whole time and a flanger kicked in for the last three notes. You can really tell when the rest of the band kicks in, because the modulation on those last three notes is gone as they come in.
Wow, this is kind of a tough one. The Flanger seems to sound close. It could also be a once in a lifetime shot when he recorded it, who knows? Probably only Eddie knew for sure. He was super protective of his tricks and licks. Great video Robert!
With a phaser or a flanger to me it sounds good. Great video 🎸👍
In On Fire he was using the Flanger sometimes for only one note, sometimes for licks... I think... I am not sure of anything anymore 😅
I think it was a flanger but i don't know how he made it sweep in both directions. It almost sounds like the flanger is always on but turned way down and it's turned up on those last 3 notes. Could have been done post processing and maybe thats why it sweeps both directions. It's only at the very beginning. You can hear it on the isolated guitar track a lot better. I can distinctly hear the phaser come on just before the solo so i don't think it was the phaser.
That joyo is a boss style flanger ,they make another one that's an EHX style flanger...if you get an MXR flanger,micro or big box ,you will nail the lick because that's what Ed used ,I'm almost nearly 70% positive...try it.
Everyone talks about the phaser/flanger on this riff, but nobody talks about the borderline slapback delay.
That’s because everybody knows what that is. It’s an old Echoplex tape delay.
Always thought (and heard) it was the phase 90
Hahahaha when I saw this in notifications, I thought someone was defending EVH from my trolling. I think a lot of the stuff he did that people thought was flanger could have very well been EVH Phase 90. It's entirely feasible that he could have used flange for those three notes, but what if he used them both in conjunction, or even like your Phase 95 demo, used EVH Phase 90 more and set it to sound more like a flanger?
I use a flanger more like a chorus, and he could have been doing that also in conjunction with the EVH Phase 90 for best of both/all worlds. Mheh Who the Hell knows . . . .
I'm in Camp Three Note Flanger, but I'm not 100% sure.
You knew what I meant. LOL
Robert I think you might be onto something there buddy dig this.... the flanger puts it too over the top you would have to have minimal sweep settings and it just doesn't make sense for him to push that only then and what about the live shows I have watched many Van Halen live shows ( on youtube)particularly during that intro riff and I don't see him pushing a flange button for three notes it doesn't look like it, looks like a continuous seamless evh playing and the effect is STILL THERE I think it is a combination of that Echoplex and the phase 90 and not palm muting the three notes.. in my opinion the flanger on any setting puts those three notes over the top especially when combined with phase 90 that is I think only turned off during the verses and when he turns the volume down on the third verse but Eddie Van Halen was a genius he has been fooling people for years and even after his passing people are still talking about this and probably will for years to come rest in peace evh you were a guitar God the guitar God!! love your vids Robert
The reason why the three notes are so prominent is because he might be picking them harder and really digging in causing the effect to broaden and be more prominent at that time I don't know how I've gotten into this evh debate about effects but it has my interest because I am currently chasing that tone
Phaser or flanger there is nearly Limitless possibilities on how he could have dialed in the settings the phase 90 has only one knob but a flanger has three or four and the settings that he may have used if used the flanger really made the difference everything I've seen so far is just over the top and seemingly inconvenient for three notes if you use the flanger he was very sparing on the dials because the effect is subtle but there and it can be made with either pedal phaser or flanger depending on how you dial it in
Hey Robert! Cool subject so at the factory Eddie played Beatiful girls and turned his back on us when he did the harmonic with the floyd down and brings it up he played for us workers often I did not know him that well but did talk sometimes I've noticed alot of channels getting on the clickbait Eddie train and that's alright I suppose but what bugs me is alot of these have it way wrong especially what his guitars were made of he did not allow poplar bodies or maple fingerboard or alnico 2 pups those only made it out of the factory when he was on tour even then he would pop in and if he saw that going on he demanded those guitars be disassembled he really was a great guy at heart but did guard his secrets and mislead people especially interviewers thanks Robert for a great channel 😀!
The first one sounds awesome I think flanger an phase 90
Ted Templeman or Tom Weber would know for sure if anybody. Ted was the producer of their first album, and Tom Weber was his guitar tech for 13 years.
I say phaser. The flanger effect was/is not subtle enough. IMHO.
Wow,, Robert ,,, Love EDD and all he did & this is 1 if my all time favs + Unchained, but I'm not sure, with U giving it test sounds really possibly the combo on the end, so I'm sitting with U on the fence brother,, I'm 50/50 or 5150, lol, Only Edd could tell us, Great topic Robert keep it up brother,,,
Eddie Van Halen was awesome !
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Obscure effects habits are not exactly my thing; HOWEVER, a close examination between two of Rush's albums bears examination. Counterparts is presented as a stripped back, raw sound. The very next album Test For Eco bears no such claim. The drums use a distinctive technique, but that's not the point.
Haven't watched Vedio yet!! I've heard flanger used all over place along with various Delay ped settings. Just my professional hearing. Often wondered if used any looping and our any auto pitching. Man was and is a beast in so meany ways. If i recall another artists used Flanger ped a lot was Pat Travers with that said on too the video thanks for this. So often wondered about Eddies on stage effects. He could turn em on so quickly. Then again the guitar tech had his own effects rack he knew exactly on the effects Eddie need at any given part of song. Don't know he's name but had and did HELL OF A JOB💪👏❤🎸🎙
That’s actually more common than you might think. Dimebag had his tech control his pedalboard from the side of the stage, as well. Dime used plenty of effects, but he didn’t want to spend any time tap dancing on a pedalboard in the middle of a show.
It sounds like a phaser to my ear, it is a really tough one to call though. We may never know for certain 100% 🤷♂️
Uhh....I thought this was a video about Atlantis being in the Bermuda Triangle? Did this Eddie guy get lost there too or something?
It sure as heck sounds as though he used a flanger on the last few notes. Eddie was a crazy cat..
The flange is on Unchained.
Seems like a lot of busy work while playing. Maybe done in the studio but, to do that on stage would have glued him to the pedal board. If guys want to do that while playing, hats off to you but, why bother. The Phaser works just fine by itself. I agree with you that it was probably just the way Eddie played it and considering he recorded his amp in the studio at full volume, or close to it, just made the effect more pronounced.
That’s 100% incorrect - it’s on the c/b/c and the outro. I have the isolated track and have even done a dead on copy w/ the original tracks.
I can send you one of each - it’s very clearly used if you hear the isolated track.
(The Phase 90 is on the entire VH1 record)
Definitely think he used phase 90, but the flanged 3 notes does sound cool imo..
It’s a flanger, phase for solos
Wouldn't it be just crazy nuttty wutty hilarious if he just used a "circuit bent" pedal? Oops! I just may have started a massive pedal burning annihilating viral wave, but don't tell anyone. (It's a secret I got by channeling EVH. He also said he likes Robert's Guitar Dungeon.)
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I met a few guitar players in early 80's claiming Eddie NEVER used pedals. It was his fingers able to get that effect. Ya right.
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well if you think about the medical term for fingers is Phalanges...?? lol..
I love this videos content, but I take exception with your notion that kicking on one of "the warbly" type pedals do not always start with the upward swing you described. As an effects pedal builder and designer, most of these pedals use what is known as an LFO which is short of low frequency oscillator. From the moment the power is applied to the device in question, the LFO is free running constantly. Kicking on the pedal only allows the guitar signal to enter the circuit and the LFO will start effecting the signal from wherever it was in its sweep. The exceptions to this would be a VCLFO, or voltage controlled low frequency oscillator which are often used in synthesizers. Synthesizers are where us guitarists get most of our "warbly" effects from anyway, but no guitar effect company is going to spend the time nor the money to develop the LFOs swing to start right when the pedal is kicked on every time. It just sits there sweeping up and down in a free-running manner from when the power is applied until the power is shut off. Now it may be that they played with the flanger on numerous tracks until they got it right, or they just got lucky. @Robert's Guitar Dungeon
So, um, you didn’t bother to watch the whole video, huh?
@@RobertWJackson I did. If you mentioned that, I missed it. I'm sorry.
I spent a fair amount of time talking about it after the playthrough demo.
I say it was a pedal no one else has called a Flaser :)
Using a flanger or not, your demonstration sounded more like the record when used on the 3 notes.
Find Ted Templeman. Ask Ted Templeman. Templeman knows!!!!
I know that when Eddie used a flanger it sounded really cool, when I use one it doesnt sound very good at all. Didnt he use one on UNCHAINED? I saw a cover version online where a player made great use of it. Good show man, great topic.
*Which* flanger are you using? They aren’t all the same. A Boss, for example, just won’t sound the same as EVH’s MXR. Even the small MXR might not be able to be set the same as the 4-knobber. The timing of that sweep is pretty important.
@@CentaurusRelax314 it has been quite some time since I even tried one, I guess I gave up quick. Thanks, I will look into the different kinds if I should at some point try to put one in my arsenal. Well, come to think of it, I have a Zoom MS50 g multistomp box that probably has one in it. ( it has taken me quite a long time to navigate around that one)
@@saltpeter7429 You're welcome. I'm no expert on the matter, but the EVH tone is the most important one for me to 'nail.' I have a Kemper, and it has a built-in flanger. I briefly tried that for the Aint Talkin'... and Unchained bits, but got dismayed by all the parameters, and i never did get it to sound authentic.So, i bought a TC Electronic pedal for that specific purpose-trying to get an easier way to dial it in, but not wanting to spend much money on 3-4 notes that i dabble with. But, that was unsatisfactory, as well. That's where my perspective on 'the right flanger' comes from. It's entirely possible that you can use something other than an MXR/EVH flanger to do it, but when i was searching for a less expensive way, i never really liked the demos i found online using other gear. So, if this sound is critical for you, I'm kinda of the mind that you have to get the (big) MXR/EVH flangers. The PHASER thing, though, that's another story. I was so obsessed with 'accuracy' that i bought the Custom Shop MXR Script '78 Phase 90 and paid a b***load extra for Analogman to mod it.... And then i pretty quickly sold it, because the Kemper's phaser did the same thing. Oy vey. EVH Brown Sound is a rabbit hole. It's fun and fascinating, about as much as it is frustrating.
Flanger on 3 notes sounds correct now Robert. And we will never really know
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He only uses the phaser during the solos and the breakdown. The sound you think you’re hearing as a phaser during the opening riff is his echo plex delay threw a wet dry setup. He kicks the flanger on during the resolve of the riff “those 3 notes”.
I consider this matter closed.
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I dont really understand what is so "unorthodox" about flipping an effect on for a few notes. It seems like an excellent way to use some of the more over-the-top settings that flangers and phasers can muster without it becoming overbearing and obnoxious. Even if this isnt what Eddie did in this case, what exactly is wrong with this idea?
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Maybe you should actually watch the end of the video.
@@RobertWJackson Oh I did. I guess im just curious about why you initially were resistant to the basic idea of it. What exactly didnt make sense about the idea?
I cannot believe how many wrong comments there are in both videos. There is no phaser in the intro. the only phaser in the song is during the solos. it is the flanger that he kicks on during the last few notes of the riff. there is quite a difference in sound between ed’s flanger and phaser. a true vintage script phaser is incredibly subtle, nothing like the swirl you hear in the intro riff. i think the confusion is caused by modern phaser having a stronger wetness that might sound like a flanger. the only time he ever mixed the flanger and phaser is the sound before the solo in Atomic punk where it sounds like a plane crashing.
there are a lot of things people tend to continue debating based on the myth “we will probably never know, only he did”. people with the right gear have done the tests and the nerds will tell you flanger. casual listeners that may have heard once that eddie used phase 90s will still tell you he had it on all of the time, when he really only used it for solos. 90 percent of the time it was just straight with a light echoplex delay.
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You’ve got the wrong flanger sound. To do this right you need the MXR.
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