Start your journey in STALCRAFT: X for FREE with cool rewards by using my code THEACTMAN24 : stalcraft.net/s/er9534 ! Blizzard recently came out to announce they were testing a 6v6 mode for Overwatch 2, making us all wonder: what was the point of Overwatch 2? Truth is, there never really was one. With the PVE scrapped, the only major change in the sequel was 5v5. So how did Overwatch 2 become a pointless sequel?
3 years wasted on no achieve missions. We could had gotten stories leading up to the team of overwatch being disbanded but nope it was the same always from 2020 to 2022. Then when PVE was finally announced we only got 4 missions.... Let that stink in how disappointing it was.
Yup when you install 2 it overwrites 1 on your hard drive. Literally the same game but not 6 on 6 and team comps were locked. They forced a downgrade on us
Overwatch was a franchise that could've been so much bigger than it was. It could've spawned so many more things like movies, shows, spin-offs, etc but Blizzard fumbled the bag so hard with this one. Overwatch is the definition of WASTED POTENTIAL
Overwatch COULD of been like LoL in the regards, a MASSIVE cashcow of a franchise that was sitting on there fingertips But instead they thought a "good cashcow" is just remonitizing there game...........which well......just look how that went
@@thephoenix4093They might be referring to the popular “movies” starring most of the female heroes. I mean at this point, there’s more thought and effort put into them than the actual game.
The sad truth is any game developer that starts to listen to the hardcore/eSports players instead of the wider community will inevitably lead its game to ruin. Because the eSports players don't play for fun, they play for victory and will optimize the fun out of the game as long as it gives them a 1% higher chance of winning a match
@@rodrigoperalta822 jesus these “esports” “athletes” just need to be shoved into a forest to f off they ruined cod and so many other great games just because they want to make some pennies playing a video game all day. It’s pathetic
@@reallyfastturtle3272 I mean, yeah, totally ZERO drawbacks. So long as we don't count the time that they were recommending Torb skins while be was removed from play, or bastion skins while he was also removed from play. Don't you love buying overpriced skins for characters that you can't even use?
@@SuperPowerButton wait, they removed the funny Swedish dwarf!? FFS, in trying to avoid having the Engineer's Sentry, they went and made the bedshitting of the century!
We long since knew this. Going back to 6v6 is a positive if anything but losing PVE was what actually showed people there was no point in this so called sequel.
@@thegreatcrusade7297The queue times argument is bs for multiple reasons. Even IF they were right, that’s shows theyre willing to make the game sub par just so that people can play more And it’s NOT true or a representation of how queue times are now. In October 2020, Overwatch had instant queue times for every role. What happened you may ask? More than 2-3 tanks were viable, all of the tanks were viable. The role was fun because there wasn’t an overly dominant meta (like double shield). I hate this misrepresentation when after role queue released, it was nothing but dominant metas that left no room for other tanks. Not even talking about the fact that there were a lack of tanks and not many were fun. Now we have Ram and JQ as super fun tanks. Doomfist also brings the entire doom main community which is massive for tank populations.
Its not a positive. It would mean we would have experienced a shitty 5v5 mode for nothing. Also the player base, what's left of it anyway, would struggle to adapt to 6v6, wouldn't you think? After all, they have gotten used to 5v5 for a long time.
1000+ hours in Overwatch, and less than 50 in Overwatch 2. Don't think anything would make me install the game again, I accepted the reality long ago lol. The canceled PVE, and paid events really killed it for me after they butchered PvP. The old lootboxes were so vanilla compared to the current model.
Especially with how good lootboxes were in overwatch 1 you could legitimately have every cosmetic in the game! It started going downhill with the eSports skins people started to pay for.
@@fr4nmo475 You at least got free currency for duped from the loot boxes. Got it whenever you reached max commendations or leveled up. I hate it but that system was better than what's in OW2
Not even that. They knew what was the problem more or less, but they didn't wanted to ruin "hero fantasy" of certain characters, mainly Brig. Also, i said "more or less" because well... They rarely let things just marinate and allow players to show if something works or not, they either keep pumping changes after changes or don't bother with anything.
@@nihili4196 I think it's the other way around, the balancing team never reacts, always procrastinating. Brigitte is the ultimate example, the worst design in Overwatch (nowadays you can argue Lifeweaver took her place), it took YEARS until the devs finally nerfed her. Since day 1 people complained about Brigitte, she is too strong, she is brain dead, etc.. The devs reacted years later, barely a inconvenience
except GOATS wasn't GOATS because of the 2/2/2 it was GOATS because of 3 tank 3 support. So moving down to 1 tank doesn't even make sense as a balance change.
The most laughable thing about all this is that they have the worst selective hearing when it comes to what the community wants. For example when Mercy gets changed in a way that upsets us Mercy mains they change the game to make us happy again, being one of their biggest parts of their community. But when Hanzo gets desyroyed with direct and indirect buffs or nerfs, they don't try and do a thing. It's a joke, no oneshots, a stupid speed buff to his already useless dragonstrike, and imcreasing the hitboxes to compensate is just funny
Also small reminder that the skill tree/story/pve was cancelled way before the release of OW2, they purposely hid that to contain damage when the game released.
Stopped playing after they cancelled the Borderlands-esque PvE and refused to make matchmaking reward personal contribution more. What a shame, the game has an excellent core gameplay loop.
I think blizzard screwing up so hard is going to be the reason Marvel Rivals will surpass OW2. Rivals already looks like better character designs, and in a time where OW2 is struggling to get new players and pissed off a bunch of old players. Perfect recipe for a new game to take over
@@przemysawbrzeczyszczykiewi1211 as much as I hate ow2 you are actually coping so hard if you think rivals has even a slight chance of replacing overwatch
Matchmaking does reward personal contribution, if you're good enough at the game you can easily climb ranks, so it might just be a skill issue. Also to the other person here, as much as I hope rivals pushes OW to make better decisions I highly doubt that it will overtake it. Also I get that you hate the game but how can you actually believe that the character designs in rivals are better? Half of the characters take lots of inspiration from the ow characters anyway, but missing the charm of characters like rien and lucio. Sorry for yapping
@@PotNoodle1234Excuse me? How do characters from MARVEL take inspiration from Overwatch? These characters have existed for decades before overwatch was even a thought in the creators brain.
This is a heist they pulled on basically babies/modern gamers they hit a score, Aaron can only feel so bad he accidentally ruined the game while accidentally getting yacht money
There's another timeline where Overwatch 2 was just a massive update to Overwatch 1, was never marketed as Overwatch 2, got all the single player content we were promised, spawned an Arcane-esk show with 10/10's across the board. Unfortunately we live in the one where that didn't happen
I guess that's a timeline where someone with a passion for making fun games had the final say on everything for Overwatch instead of a passion for making the most money possible.
It all boils down to one thing: They did not respect the casual player base. The OWL, the balancing, the cancelled PvE, the greedy monetization, it's all linked to the same core issue: Blizzard didn't give a shit about what most of the players enjoyed about this game. But hey, it's Blizzard. They have stopped giving a shit about players a long time ago.
Bullshit. Having Unhealthy and Broken Metas which last for couple of months IS NOT listening to Competetive players. Heck, Casuel Players even thought that Brig wasnt broken because they played her like a 2nd reinhard. Im pretty sure her winrate sucked in low ranks because of that
@@TheRevelationTheRevolution Of course. I consider StarCraft II the last game of "old Blizzard". Diablo 3, HotS, Hearthstone and Overwatch came out during the transitional period. Some old talent still was there, but the cracks started to show. The phase of true evil was entered with the announcement of iablo: Immortal. From that point onwards, things only got worse.
The only reason they released _"Overwatch 2"_ was so that they could change the entire monetization structure. It's been confirmed that Blizzard knew the PVE content was not happening way back in late 2021... Because they halted all development on the PVE content at that time and put everyone on getting _"Overwatch 2"_ ready for launch (which it STILL wasn't, as the launch was botched due to server issues)... then post-launch they kept everyone working on "Overwatch 2" and never put teams back on PVE content development. So the only things they did were to change the monetization structure and make the game 5v5... Which I feel like they did for THE SOLE reason of trying to give _"Overwatch 2"_ its own identity... Not because the game was actually designed around 5v5. It was just a way of saying "Look! This is different than Overwatch 1... Please Clap.".
I played mostly tank and healer in OW1 and i made a really good friend who co-tanked with me, we made a really good team with him as Reinhardt and me as Zarya, and we really bonded playing those roles, but then OW2 came around and removed one of the tanks so we couldn't duo tank anymore. We still played together but we had to take turns tanking which eventually put a strain on things and we ended up drifting apart. I can legitimately say that OW1 made me a friend, and then OW2 was a leading cause in that friendship fading away.
What's even worse is that Overwatch 2 isn't a second game, but a heavily monetized replacement of the original that still plays essentially the exact same otherwise. You literally can't play Overwatch 1 any more, and your only option is Overwatch 2. How can it be a sequel when you can't even access the original game anymore? I guess Blizzard had to justify all the monetization by slapping a 2 on the title and calling it a sequel, instead of keeping the original name and calling it a glorified shop update which is exactly what it is.
Yes exactly this, If it really is a second game then i want a refund on the first game that i paid for that i cant play anymore. How is this even legal
@@kims4149 much lower skill floor, they killed the game with lgbtqbbq supports that are brain dead easy to play and ruin an actual skillful player's day. whoever came up with baptiste, moira, the originial brig, and kiriko need to be fired, genuinely they should never be hired anywhere else.
@@whitebwoiexcept for Kiriko, all of these heroes are from OW1. And if you think Baptiste is "braindead" then you haven't played a lot of overwatch and don't know what you're talking about lol. The best you can do is shut the heck up instead of parroting popular opinions.
The problem with something like "Just add a separate lobby queue" is that it divides the player base and like any other quick-n-easy fix, problems tend to crop up elsewhere. Fewer players means longer queue times, longer queue times means fewer players. What blizzard should've done is make tanks and healers fun if they wanted to solve the "No one wants to play these 2 roles". Then they could get rid of role queue entirely and consolidate their entire ranked player base into one queue.
@@soxxks the problem (for activision) isn't that the numbers are "fine", it's that it's not growing. the entire point of the massive investment of OW2 and its steam release was for it to grow, and it kind of hasn't for over a year. which is what is begging the question "what was the point". it could be making a ton more money and goodwill, but it's now diverting to OW1 because OW2 failed to generate enough new interest by not doin anything it promised.
I give you this, if they promoted the free to play transition as just one big "update", rename the game to "Overwatch Recharged" or something like that, the PR would be a little bit more positive. When you thrown a solid number, that raises expectations, it can turn into a double edge sword
I still get goosebumps watching the first OW2 trailer, especially when Genji comes flying outta nowhere to save Winston...it's so sad to see such a promising and fun game turn into what it is now
I literally cannot play this game. I loved casually playing Overwatch with my hardcore player friends. They still play the game every now and then, but i honestly just have no love for a game franchise that has decided not invest in itself.
From a perspective of someone who loved overwatch for years and was a big part of my life, i felt wildly betrayed by overwatch 2. Casual progression (levels, EARNABLE lootboxes) being taken out of the game, being replaced by progression systems you had to spend money on (battlepasses). Locking heroes behind stupid unnecessary grind or again, behind a paywall. The awful changes to the ranked system and the inevitable cancellation of PVE, it felt so clear that Blizzard as a company didnt have the love for Overwatch anymore and that showed in OW2. No cinematics, a real lack of marketing and imo disgusting monetization changes; OW2 felt empty. Truly i cannot think of one change OW2 made from Overwatch that objectively benefited the players. Im glad to see the current devs speak so passionately about wanting to make changes that benefit the players, but im sure alot of people like myself who dont play anymore feel its too little too late. Great video man
"OW2 felt empty" This statement sums it up perfectly. There was only 1 thing I think everyone was excited for about OW2, which was the PvE, and once that got nixed everything else fell apart because there was nothing to be enthusiastic for anymore. It's hard to imagine Blizzard was trying to do anything but crash Overwatch into the ground because every single decision they made for the game has felt like a deliberate attempt to spit on the playerbase.
The ONLY positive I can find is the ping system. The rest is just pointless to the player, downgraded/worsened or gotten rid of. Aside of the monetization which I HATE with every bit of my soul, I also HATE how they essentially stripped the game from community systems like endorsing enemy players, post game card system, post game chatting period of 30s (now it just plops you into battlepass rewards after potg), post match stay in group, or looking for group feature. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they announce clan system back when OW2 was first released or some time later? Did it even come out or did they state that it's being scrapped?
This is just me but i personally hated the introduction of 5v5 since removing a tank changed the game for the worse and made some of the tanks much harder and less enjoyable to play. I played since the beta and 5v5 just felt like it ripped out its soul. Winston was my main and him becoming the primary tank completely ruined his play-style since his role is a secondary tank that jumps past the tanks and attacking the squishys (healers especially), jumping away when a tank or offense character comes to kill you/aid the healer.
Overwatch 2 is the only game that transitioned from a paid model to a free-to-play one and still managed to fail so miserably. I mean, how could you mess it up? Overwatch was already so popular and successful. Going free-to-play could have easily launched the game to the top of the charts.
That's the problem. No one in the player base wanted it to be free to play and extremely monetized with microtransactions everywhere. and the hero missions that was going to make the game be in any way different from OW1 got canceled months before the game came out, yet they still put it in the advertising.
They wanted a TF2 but with the "classes" being the characters locked to specific capabilities (AKA like subclasses, I.E. pure Demoknight instead of Demoman, or even HybridKnight.) What they got instead was a giant pile of monetised bullshit.
Honestly the brutal FOMO that Overwatch 2 had killed my interest. It felt like I was held at gunpoint to keep playing it. After a while I didn’t fear missing out and instead wanted to miss out and give up on trying to keep up. FOMO does a better job at making players stop playing rather than keep them playing
It completely fucks with my head to think that Overwatch is nearly ten years old. I played the game back during its first year, 2016-2017, and that feels like it happened like a month ago. I think it’s because this game feels like a product of modern times. Overwatch _feels_ like it could’ve been released in 2023 or 2024.
I agree, it was very ahead of it's time in many ways. The gameplay was and still is fluid, the animations are some of the best in the cartoony game styles and it introduced lootboxes in mainstream gaming (we don't talk about that)
That was overwatch’s best selling feature, it was so fluid and colorful for what it is. These characters could have a cartoon and it would do ins a numbers. It would be the biggest cartoon since Ben 10. It’s crazy they left it all on the table. I mean kids will still play it so I guess they’ll be fine unfortunately…
If anyone didn’t know. Open queue is an option in ranked and casual modes. Is less popular because the “freedom and openness” just ends up meaning 4or5 dps for players on each team
It was dog shit and anyone who says otherwise didn't play when it was 5 dps and a hog basically being a DPS himself while the team spammed "We need a healer". It was cancer incarnate. OW always catered to DPS and it if ever did it was patched out pretty quickly. Let the "free market" of role q times prove the argument. Even when DPS were "weak" they were still fun, had options to adapt to the enemy team and could still one shot in many instances. it became to skewed back then from the original idea of capable, but team work dependent wipes and kills that anything less than a solo wipe became an affront. Those same people have nostalgia for the worst period of the games balance and history. If main character syndrome was a class it was DPS.
@@davidgatsby3775 I played support and tank during those days. Didnt bother me much. You pretty much just changed one frustration for another. Now in O@ you get two healers but good luck on them ever being healers that you actually want. Damn LW mercy and moira mains.
As someone who mostly played open que ranked, you are forgetting the tragedy of quad tank. A virtually unstoppable comp if you played any dps other than echo or reaper, even then you would have 3 tanks and one healer. you may ask how is it a tragedy if no one played it, I say it was very underrated and where I had most of my fun until headshot mitigation passives and armor buffs. It did seal my opinion however that 1 tank is far to linear for a game like overwatch. It’s not very fun to hug the objective 70% of the time until an opening happens
The main issue that nobody talks about is that those queue times also include when blizzard practically abandoned the game. No duh the queue times are gonna be long if you lose a ton of players from no balance update. That and the fact that double shield was the meta during that content drought makes their entire reasoning for going to 5v5 a self created problem from abandoning overwatch 1
I know I am a bit late to the party but it's insane to hear the sentence "Sony's Concord will release in a few weeks" with the current knowledge of Concords... "debut".
The biggest blunder is that Overwatch 2 doesn’t feel like Overwatch in any way. Even the main menu feels off. When I first started Overwatch 1, it felt so fucking good to play. I loved the characters and the mystery behind the lore, we got lore bits here and there and it felt like Christmas came early every time a cinematic dropped. Multiplayer felt great and loot boxes were actually perfect because I was able to earn free skins because I played a lot. The only thing I wanted in OW1 was a story mode. I think everyone wanted that. What a shame it turned out like a lifeless money sink that it is. I would be buying the game a thousand times over if I bought all the skins they offered. Rewarded skins for character progression would be a cool idea though. I wonder if they even considered that. The funny part is, the characters in the game wouldn’t agree with how the game is now.
There's a welcoming feeling when you boot up the game and is greeted by the entire roster with the OG We Are Overwatch OST blaring the brass horns then you log in to OW2 and is greeted by... a soulless remix without the horns. They even got the perfect recipe for post-game screen with all chat on down to the last notes of the Victory OST which they then reduced to nothingness in OW2. Even the Play of the Game section feels lifeless with that sorry remix. And this is just the presentation side of what went wrong with this "sequel" They stripped it of its soul and personality to be generic steam shooter #432
the fact that blizzard is so unbelievably braindead that they didn't mitigate the negative press of cancelling OW2 pve by releasing an animated series like riot did with arcane is crazy to me. Arcane cost $90m to make and the estimated profits are over $8billion with 150m+ new league accounts. All this after blizzcon announced pve is coming when they knew 2 years prior the pve content was cancelled just to get a few battlepass dollars for a quarterly report.
I can agree with that but iirc arcane took quite a while to make. Seeing as blizzard was going into it already expecting ow2 to be a mega smash hit success they wouldn't have had anywhere close to enough foresight to get that in the works beforehand
@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 oh, it absolutely would. I mean, problems with balance were enough to bury PvE over time, something actually nice would work so well. But for that Blizzard would have to think
The fact that the original Overwatch won GOTY 2016, and is now unplayable is an absolute crime. The GOTY from 8 years ago is completely unplayable, and there were so many better options that lost to the hype over overwatch at the time.
goty ow was great the sad part was everyone hated the game even celebs, top streamers, esports, even shroud himself said ow1 was bullshit even if it won goty 2 times and the entire core game was fun to play when ow2 came out yes i even hated it coz it didnt feel like a sequel and the addicting nature isnt there anymore instead it was just skins and skins and more skins with 5v5 it just didnt feel fun yet top streamers, esports, and celebs said ow2 is a fun and better even if its low tier mid at this point Gen alpa, brainrots, egirls, and Gen Z players have ruined this game and so many games u play now is so unplayable ever since they introduced 5v5 since we got a tank who is either fucking brainrot noob or bot and u got ur supports who are fucking throwers who think they are the next tiktok prodigy player ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT I remember ow1 when it had the greatest moments of all it had satisfying kills, good content, and a lot of good ass fun shit i ever had in my life but now its all gone
People don't grasp the severity of the downgrade that happened between OW and OW2 because for the longest time we were surfing around the Monetization and PVE conversations where as a lot of things happened to the existing game, it's gameplay and character integrity and some of it happened exactly because of PVE. - The engine, Tank Engine 2 is nowhere near as good or fit for the fidelity required for a competitive game, even if you play casually, i wonder how would casuals rate the visibility in a average overwatch match, i bet a lot of them feel disoriented and confused. Tank engine, Overwatch was put together by industry veterans, the entire project was worked on by Veterans, by the time OW2 came around, by that time those Veterans have moved on from the project or from blizzard entirely, not only a bunch of newbies made the engine but they made it with the incentive that this has to look good when you're doing PVE missions, sandstorms, light scattering, bloom, etc.. This all still in the game despite none of it getting used and it affects the game requirements, it affects Ram usage (Went from 2GB to 4GB of ram on lowest settings for no visual benefits) a lot of effects, shields, projectiles, abilities gained and emitt light that in a PVP match, is only bothersome and straining to look at. Peoples original argument back in OG OW for 5v5 was that we had a terrible double shield meta, lots of lasers, effects, visual clutter, we argued that 5v5 would reduce that by a lot, little did we comprehend how OW2 will pan out in terms of it's new engine, not only it's still as if we had 12 players on the field but it's worst so i can't even imagine adding that 2 tank back further devastating the visual fidelity. To add, ever since not so long ago they further diminished the integrity of a FPS / Moba game by ruining the Hitboxes intentionally, so casuals can get shots even tho the hitbox would suggest that they missed by like 2-3 head width. Yes, it's real.. -The Match making, this bleeds a little bit into the previous point given the tough balance of tanks and the supports keeping them up, tanks make or break the game, a good tank will win every game but at the cost of having to be a meta slave, play the wrong tank, play badly, and you cost people the match. To much responsibility, with to much focus on you alone. On an other note, matchmaking is terrible, i think casuals need Skill based match making, it's in their favor, for as long they don't exceed 55% win rate, if you do, you nose dive. -Lastly, character integrity.. I don't care about woke, i don't care about political angles but all of these characters have one thing in common and nothing of value beyond that, is their sexual or racial identity, and the typical "i'm cool" cocky Tony Stark like character behavior, who they are, What their importance is, anything at all that adds character is none existent. I don't know who these characters are, i would argue ever since Baptiste we've been struggling to get anything of value to add to the story, world, or even just a interesting character (Not Gameplay) but even before that it was difficult to take it seriously, everyone remembers Sigma's trailer.. Let's put that in a retrospective context, he's the feet, silly music guy.. Absolutely destroying that initial trailer hype. Hes not Lex Luthor, hes just some tall bald guy that likes feet and music. That's abysmal if we ever wanted a serious story. Don't ever make an OW series because this is not the material for it.
Never thought I'd say this but they should NOT have removed lootboxes. You could previously get every skin from the game by grinding. I remember a previous OW2 video doing the math and concluding it would take around 300 years or something absurd like that in order to get everything.
1,000,000,000%. I understand the issue with loot boxes when the only way to access them is to pay money (looking at you Rocket League), but in games like Apex Legends where you get a free Loot Box per day, or Overwatch 1 where you'd just randomly get them by leveling up or have a guaranteed legendary item gifted to you around the holidays, that wasn't bad at all. I built up a really nice collection of OW1 skins purely from random loot box drops, spending $0 outside of the $30 investment to buy the game. I haven't bought a single OW2 skin simply because I don't receive enough of their in-game currency to get stuff for free. They literally took a mechanic that was blamed for being exploitative to people with gambling addictions, but which cost $0 for the average player, and have now made it exploitative to EVERYONE because the skins are ridiculously priced at $10-$20 EACH! It boggles my mind that stuff I once got for free out of random loot boxes is now on a pay-with-real-money marketplace for outrageous prices, and nobody talks about how exploitative that practice is because it is a trillion times worse than loot boxes ever were.
I saw this video that showed how long it would take to get just one legendary skin for every hero in the game at that point. Over 20 years of grinding, if I'm not mistaken.
One of my bro's his girlfriend was a top overwatch player. But lately we played helldivers 2 and his gf was playing overwatch. The cute introvert girl from real life...turned into a frustrated swearing monster. Oh how does she hate the sequel. She cursed activision into oblivion. I had 380mm artillery shells landing next to me and i could still hear Her yelling in the background how incompetent of a skidmark blizzard is. E...if you read this..i heard everything.
5v5 was supposed to fix the problem that *NOBODY QUEUES TANK*. That's the core problem: Nobody wants to play tank, nobody wants to play support, either, but it sucks far less than playing tank, because as a tank in Overwatch, your job is to be a giant punching bag for every piece of bullshit in the enemy team's kit. That's your job, to be a literal piñata for the opponents to bludgeon. And if they buff tanks up to the point where that isn't absolute torture, then the game stops being fun for anyone else. It's a fundamentally flawed game design, a PVE paradigm mapped onto a PVP game, and it fucking sucks, and always will. That's why everyone wants PVE Overwatch.
The funny thing is I believe they came out recently and backpedaled on queue times being the reason. Because queue times never got better. There are still like ten minute queue times for dps and they always knew 5v5 wasn’t going to change anything because now while tank didn’t struggle quite as hard you still couldn’t find supports
Tank was actually fun in ow1, it's just that some people couldn't stand working in tandem with the other tank as that was too hard for them. That's why the tank population was so low, it had too high of a ceiling but that doesn't mean that they should rip away the only thing that NO OTHER GAME has to become a shitty shooter game. I literally went from playing tank religiously to not touching it for months, it's so unfun.
@@KURENANI No. No it isn't. There might be one in a hundred or one in a thousand players who actually want the tank role. Everyone else has to be coerced into doing it, which is what Role Queue is really about: Forcing players to do things they don't actually want to do. If nobody plays Tank the way you want them to play, it's because they don't want to do the job *period*. The most popular tank in OW was Roadhog, because it was the least tank-like of any of the tanks. It's not a coincidence that he was also the least *effective* tank, because the good tanks were the ones with barrier spam, because barriers don't confer ult charge on the people shooting them. Which is the other reason they got rid of 2 tanks: DPS were quitting the game because spending the entire game shooting barriers was boring AF. So instead of making a game in which the players can actually do things they enjoy, Team 4 insists on making everyone wait until *someone* volunteers for the drudgery that is playing Tank or Support.
@@AaronMichaelLong 1. Roadhog has never been the most popular tank in OW1, I played every day for 2 hours and I only saw a roadhog player twice a week. So your point doesn't stand at all, also his playstyle was far different from the shield tanks so if you are playing him as one, of course, he gets less value. 2. DPS players are too stupid to shoot from different angles that's why they get nothing done and have no fun. That is mostly their fault outside the unkillable sigma/orisa duo. This could have been fixed with just a little tweaking like making Orisas fortitude cooldown longer and less effective or Nerf sigmas grasp to last shorter and maybe a longer time to wait after retracting his shield so there is a cost to doing it. Just like that, the game is fixed.
"DPS players are too stupid to shoot from different angles that's why they get nothing done and have no fun." That is an utterly insipid remark. When you've got two tanks spamming barriers into a linear map with few flanking routes and ample chokepoints, it doesn't matter how smart you are. Kindly explain to me how you're supposed to use "off angles" at the first choke in EIchenwalde? Or Blizzard World? Or Hollywood? Or Dorado? Overwatch is a very simplistic game, with very predictable, linear maps, and built-in voice comms.A solitary player flanking by themselves is feeding, unless they have abilities which afford them a free exit from an engagement, like Genji, Tracer or Sombra. I love how you claim that Orisa Sigma is the result of player "stupidity", when the best players in the world at the end of OW1's run were constantly being thwarted by the omnipresent dual-shield meta. Is Carpe stupid? Is Fleta stupid? Is SoOn stupid? No. When the metagame produced by the designers is so fundamentally broken that they have to completely re-design the game to fix it, it's not the result of individual player stupidity. It's *DESIGNER* stupidity. And the problem with your fix is that it would balance dual shield, but it would also make these tanks completely hopeless paried with any non-barrier tanks. Your solution is "erase the character" with extra steps. Which is exactly what Blizzard did with their other moronic design choice, Brigitte.
The reason they switched to 5v5 is because the OW development team is absolute garbage. they couldn't balance goats, so they made role queue. Then they couldn't balance double shields, so they made 5v5. They also know that by adding 6v6 back into the game, they admit this game was a failure, so they're trying to save face.
I actually believe that big part of this was Overwatch league. As they where trying to balance game for the highest rank player base so that the games would be more fun to watch (remember hero pools?). It wasn't possible to balance it to be as fun for casuals. And now when Owl is out of the picture there is nothing stopping them to put all the focus on preferences of majority players, which i believe is that good balance not necessarily equals fun.
Whats funny about those $15 pve missions, is that the missions themselves are actually only worth $5. It comes in a bundle with 1000 overwatch credits which are $10
The synergy was awesome, it made it rewarding if you can communicate with each other, push abilities together - actually punish if timings were right. I miss Zarya-Rein, so much. D.va-Winston. Winston bubbled as he dived in. Endless possibilities.... ... now its haha Mauga go brrrr charge
@@ChocolateFudgeWave that's generous, most times I have/see now is counterswapping or Mauga on Mauga action. I asked my team what they wanted, they said Mauga - next thing I know I got 12,000 damage but 2/2/4, because Mauga on Mauga is ass!
@@vellathewench Speaking to the choir, man. I miss those days - now, as I wrote that, I realized the new tank heroes won't even work in 2/2/2. Who can Ramattra syngerize with tank wise? Junker Queen? Mauga? New heroes aren't designed with the idea of teamwork, because if we're honest, and we're seeing it with Juno - sure she can heal, but with mobility she has, she's just Lucio 2.0 with a little bit of Ana there. It's just damage. Just damage, or selfish playstyles. We used to shun Reddit Lucios, but now its the norm to be that way. Tanks now aren't the same tanks, no one wants to play Rein anymore, and no ones scared of Reaper who was supposed to be the guy who shredded tanks.
@@auraguard0212you clearly didn't even read. They said nothing about winning, they said it isn't fun. I absolutely agree with them. I'm not trying to deal with everyone trying to play low health dps constantly.
Yeah that was always annoying, but it was also fun seeing weird comps like that work. I remember one of the best games I've had was against a team of nothing but squishy dps on rialto and losing. It was hard fought but fun. I think it's more so just toxic mentality of some players always serving their own needs first. Playing support I've been trashed talked by tanks not supporting them while they try to 1v6 the enemy team and hardly look out for anyone on our team.
Overwatch 2 selling points: It doesn't have loot boxes, it has a cool PvE campaign, 6v6 is now 5v5, no more of 2cp maps (even though they were the best maps in the game (Hanamura and Volskaya my beloved)) abunch of new heroes What we got: a battle pass that makes EA look like generous saints in comparison. No PvE campaign. It might still be 6v6. And not to mention, out of all the new heroes, we got: 3 New Tanks, Doomfist is now also a tank and Orisa has a brand new kit. 3 new supports(soon to be 4 with Juno) And only 2 DPS (even after they moved Doomgist)(Venture, just like the Playstation 5 with exclusive games that aren't remakes or remasters, has no Skins) They also removed Mei's Freeze and McCree's flashbang. DPS players are not eating good. I'm glad I dropped OW2, I absolutely loved OW1, I had hundreds if hours in it. I could barely play a week of OW2. You want a Free Team-Based Hero Shooter that doesn't want to suck your soul? Paladins is right there. Also, they could definitely have kept OW1 and 2 as separate games, just like how EA kept PvZ Garden Warfare 1 and 2 separate. Players can still play GW1, and others can play GW2. Anyways, Make a video on Paladins or something.
Yo if you’re looking for a free team based hero shooter Mecha Break is currently in a beta and it’s some of the most fun I’ve had gaming in a while. It’s basically a mecha game with objective based team gameplay. Think armored core but overwatch. It’s legitimately really fun.
@@frosty4822 I still play GW2 whenever I feel like it. It's amazing whenever you get put in a match with no hackers or bots. Sadly GW1 is mostly infested with Hackers so there's not much to do there, The single-player is still fun tho.
the problem with 5v5 is that in order to balance the tank role they had to make each tank viable which fixed the tank role but broke the individual tanks as a result.
Crazy how a game can expand to this degree and still have almost zero lore to its name. That’s all I ever hear Overwatch fans ask for, and the one thing they want, some freaking story, they cannot get. And no I’m not talking about outside sources like books. I mean in-game
They used to have a yearly story mission for free but they cancelled those too because why make the game fun when you can make the game miserable but sell trash skins for 20 bucks
Sadly there isn't much of a story that can be told without it being generic Avengers style get-togethers to smash some boring robots. Because you're still using the same multiplayer abilities and weapons/ammo in the PvE modes we got. They didn't even bother making it feel different. So imagine you're playing as Widow in her campaign or whatever and all you do is snipe, snipe, snipe while grappling from one point to the next. An actual snoozefest. They don't care to develop new things for something that won't make them money.
@@LightTrack- Ah yes, the great and glorious French (and somehow fucking Thanos skinned, for some reason) combo of "Totally didn't rip off the Sniper Rifle from TF2" Windowlicking Weirdo with "Totally not the grapplehook from MannUp mode", Widowmaker.
Blizzard and Activision chose money in the short term by cutting corners, cancelling large sections if not all of the sequel and re structing the store to put the fear of FOMO in players, rather than money in the long run by putting time and effort to develop a genuine sequel. Genuinely sad because it could have had such a good PVE mode and because of its already deep lore it could have even expanded into multiple series revolved around certain heros. Actually get sad thinking about what they could have done with such marketable and popular IP and comparing it to what they gave us😞
Fun fact: That Hanzo/Genji cinematic had the OG Mortal Kombat movie's Shang Tsung narrate it. Was kind of icing on the cake for a mind-blowing cinematic. Also, the role queue is what made me walk away from the game; I had liked it since beta & that just killed it for me.
Now I wish blizzard would kickstart the justification of the 2 in Overwatch 2. Imagine Rivals releases a PVE with skill trees and shit and does super well
Thank you for being a part of destiny Content. I never thought this could happen but please keep doing it. You are a level headed person and someone like you giving his opinion is important not only for the U.S.A but also EU. That is why Actman is so awesome
I find it so funny how Concord was so unoriginal with its characters designs that people just referred to every character as their “Overwatch Counterpart”. If there’s a single few things Overwatch still nails is the character designs
I mean this already kinda happened with Tf2 and overwatch, I reckon if Tf2 was more popular than it was when ow released people would've reffered to zarya as heavy or junkrat as demoman
I mean they just look allround worse than the overwatch chars aswell, imo the entire game is just a worse version if overwatch espically considering its gameplay and even seeing this such as the ranked mode, like its a complete joke tbh
@@Moter. that did not happen, Weird tf2 glazer. We get it a game is your entire personality keep it to yourself please 🙏 Also zarya is nothing like heavy (gameplay likes and looks) same with Junkrat.
I disagree, Kiriko, Lifeweaver, Illari, Soujorn, Venture etc.. all lame designs, the "lore" is stupid. Kiriko worked with the scummy audience who jerks off to cartoons, but her "arrogant brat" personality is so unlikable, she uses magic in a sci-fi setting lol But to give them credit, Juno looks amazing, shockingly balanced, Juno feels like the early years of Overwatch
"It would make Overwatch 2 a pointless sequel." - In my eyes, Overwatch 2 *IS* a pointless sequel. I tried it a bit in the beginning, and I didn't feel that it made any changes at all apart from "forcing" the meta to be 5v5 instead of 6v6, which they could've just done in OW1. As soon as they announced the cancellation of PvE mode was the moment I felt that OW2 was/is a scam.
A quick correction: There have been Role Queue AND Open Queue for both quick and competitive play, but they stopped balancing the game around open queue so any changes to role queue would also effect open queue. This doesn't change the entire message of the video, but you were talking about this when it already exists.
It's beyond disingenuous when that blog post says "when we went to 5v5 queue times were much shorter" as if 5v5 was the sole reason and not, y'know, being FREE TO PLAY as opposed to costing 40€ or 60€ it you're on console. Like, come the fuck on man.
One of the devs in charge of the matchmaking already talked about this after the blog. They said if OW1 had gotten more updates and was free with 6v6 that would've helped with queue times, but it wouldn't have been the improvement needed to fix the queue time problem. Basically, 5v5 was the only answer they had based on their data and how people played the game.
@@azzy9293 I dunno man. I’d rather have 10 sec queue times on quick play than the 5mins it used to be before. No balance or format change matters if the queue times are high.
A near infinite playerbase means nothing when none of those players are playing tanks. The ratio of players in each role determines how fast games start, not how many players there are total
To be completely honest, reading through many of the comments, many of you have the wrong impression about what happened to Ow and how it became so bad. I've played throughout the entire games lifespans, and have kept all with ALL of the drama the game and the company has had relating to this game, and even not relating to Ow but still impacted it. There is just SO MUCH stuff that's happened that have made this game distasteful to everyone. From queue times, cheaters, toxicity, 5v5 vs 6v6, patch notes, hero fantasy, Brig, GOATS, old vs new hero designs, Ow League, Hong Kong stuff, Bobby Kotich, sexual harrasment, different ideas for the games future and how unprepared the devs where (tbf they all came in from WoW, not exactly a great fps background there), all the lies, big promises, lootboxes, battlepass and expensive skins, pve, pve locked behind a pay wall for minimal content, powercreep and SO, SO much more that making an entire exhausted list of all the things that has led to today's day would be insane. In sumary: Overall, most damaging thing they've probably done was cancel pve lol.
I think you hit the nail right on the head, also if you are someone who was playing during overwatch one what do you think of role queue? I think anyone who played during open queue would know that dealing with people who would only choose DPS creating stacks like 1-4-1 or even 0-5-1 was horrible, then came the creation of the GOATS meta which if you didn’t copy you would easily get crushed by, honestly I think it was a bad idea giving players the responsibility to choose adequate roles for the match,
I will play the devil advocate, most likely this PvE expansion was planned by the own devs. Overwatch players had a weird fixation with Jeff Kaplan (or whatever you spell his name), the dude had superficial "nerdy" charisma and that hooked people somehow, but he was always a horrendous director. Day 1 Brigitte, I don't need to say anything else... so, I think they had this "story mode" planned, the producers and executives considered that a good opportunity to move on to free to play model and the rest is history... a really ugly history, Jeff was a terrible director, the current director is also awful, this is the achilles heel of Overwatch: misguided direction ruined a golden goose
The 2 in its name is the most pointless change ever since we were getting a worse live service monetisations format, cancelled promises, chaotic 6v6 to a boring 5v5, more maps removed, poorly priced skins… etc. And also does anyone felt like we lost the souls what makes Overwatch? Cinematic animation & music were lessen to incorporate crossover collaborations. Like it’s not the same game you once loved to play.
The only reason I was excited for Overwatch was the promised Story Mode Then that was scrapped It was at THAT point I wondered what the point of it was in the first place
The problem with making different queues for any particular preference is that it makes matchmaking take *FAR* longer, especially for the game modes and options which are the most niche. If nobody wants to play open queue because they're tired of playing on a team with 6 DPS, even though they themselves refused to queue as anything but DPS, the queue will just become an eternal waiting room.
@@Mrz-bq2yb It's been a minute since I've played OW, but I thought 5 minute queues were the norm now. The problem is, the queues will always be long because nobody wants to queue flex, and as long as the queues pop fast, there's no incentive to queue flex. If they made the format 10 DPS to 1 support and 1 tank, they might actually get a team comp which matches the preferences of the actual player base.
Yet the queues were fine in OW 1 :/ Perhaps the decision makers should've thought long and hard about things they removed /overwrote which worked and then not lose a ton of their playerbase.
Used to be a diehard tank main in Overwatch ever since beta. OW2 has caused me to completely put the game down and honestly I haven’t played for months. Being the only tank on the team can be fun at times but is frustrating at most. The pressure, the counterswap meta, the constant “tank diffs”, creates an experience I cannot recommend for anyone especially competitively. The underlying fact is OW2 is the single worst case of greed and a lack of competence I’ve ever seen in a triple A game. It feels soulless , uninspired and funny enough has removed more meaningful features than it’s added. Tell me in what way was the removal of player borders good for the game? Or the after game match cards? Or the real time endorsement system? All of it simply idiotic and it goes to show the lengths a company will go to completely milk all joy out of a product in pursuit of profit. So with marvel rivals coming up, I honestly can’t think of a reason as to why long standing dedicated players shouldn’t jump ship.
They had a gold mine of a licence and swrew it up.... It still baffles me how they threw everything out of the window... All they hadd to do is making a TV show like Arcane, add new maps, new gamemodes and ppl would loose their mind. Adding a campaign is a request players had since day 1.
It's funny you mention players dealing with the bullshit of Battlestate games. The moment they announced the unheard edition I stopped playing, uninstalled, and never booted it back up. I will never ever play that game ever again. They may already have the money I spent on that game in 2017, but I will not be adding to the player base.
From the moment 5v5, free to play, with a BP, and a store I knew it was over. They killed the game for 4 years and used the fact that the game was dying to make a "new" game.
The fact Aaron came on to the Group Up podcast talked to SVB and Flats and they are not shying away from this conversation that has been going on because of the state of tanks says something more then other devs.
I know other people have commented this already but he ignored the fact that in the blog post it blatantly talks about how they introduced open queue as well as role queue. As well as that open queue is god awful and unbalanced as hell it is entirely dependant on if you most likely have 5 dps players who can't play the other roles and just losing other than that great video
Open queue ranked only came in about a year after role queue was added, so in between that period there was no competitive open queue option. During this period, Blizzard hid the open queue mode behind an arcade option (Quick Play Classic) and ran the Overwatch League in the role queue format, and so role queue became the only mode where balance was addressed. Of course open queue is unbalanced now because the developers are only concerned with balancing within the limitations of role queue. Also I've been playing since 2017, support player playing open queue exclusively till today, and honestly I'm not concerned about the number of tanks/dps/support on my team so long as it works, because the charm of Overwatch is between hero to hero interactions, and that element isn't tied to roles.
@zanbot6842 I've been playing overwatch since it came out and while I enjoy open queue every now and then I don't think it should ever become the main game mode again as the devs find it hard enough to balance role queue let alone open queue. Also, I am interested in the new hybrid queue system, the devs hinted at in the blog post.
You’re right that all the updates they made could’ve been just changes in the original game. I think their reasoning was that the player base had declined so much by that point that a “big update” wouldn’t be enough to pull people back in. Which is fair I suppose, but it doesn’t erase the fact that this game was horribly mismanaged and failed to deliver on almost all of its promises. I’m glad the new dev team is trying to fix it, but it feels too little too late
I would have been so easy for Blizzard to do what Riot did and release a tv show to keep people hooked with the story. But they never cared from the start even when it was clear a huge chunk of the fanbase was only there for the story.
Yeah, especially with all of the lore and character info we don't even know about that would have been made for the MMO it was originally supposed to be. So much potential just flushed down the drain.
@@thechugg4372 Arcane took so long to make because they were working with an entirely new art style and the approval pipeline at Riot took ages to approve any of the story beats. In two years Overwatch will be 10 years old. A TV series could have been announced by now if Blizzard had any interest in making one.
@@PhoenixSaturnthat’s a huge risk. Honestly would’ve hurt more at the time. Imagine not getting anything promised by blizzard but then they shit out a tv show. People’s woo o ups literally be like “who asked for this?”
You guys seen that picture of Mcdonalds when were kids vs Adults? Thats how i feel about OW2, it's less colorful, less vibrant, less inviting, poorer interface and more bland UI. It's quite literally inferior in every imaginable way in my opinion.
You unfortunately cannot go back to OG Overwatch and have it be fun. Fundamentally, for all PvP shooters, if you’re not playing the game on day one with the same playing field, you will get stomped by sweats full stop. After the first few months, the meta is set and all fun is min/maxed out of it. Now if you’re competitively minded, it’s a haven. For anyone else, it’s a slog and fundamentally unfun to get stomped for 5 games in a row to maybe eek out a win when you’re average skill level.
I play OW2 about 8-12 hours every week with my Girlfriend. Most of the time it is still very enjoyable. IMO the biggest drawback between 6v6band 5v5 is the agency in each individual match. The games seem much more one sided in 5v5 due to the ease of counter picking Tanks. I loved playing tank in 6v6 but now it truly feels like a burdon.
You also had an offtank you help you out , I liked that synergy. Now you're alone and you get counter picked and you die so you have to change the tank even more ... making it even more frustrating to play.
@@bon3scrush3r I was a tank main in Overwatch 1. I mostly preferred to play Roadhog, but if need be I'd pick Rein or something. (I was no one-trick.) It was always fun to join a game and see what the other tank would do. Often they'd instalock Rein or some other main-tank and I'd get to go "Ooh, I get to do my favorite thing now :D" and play Roadhog. Other times they instalock Roadhog or some other off-tank and I'd get to be like "Ooh, I rarely play main tank. I guess we'll give Rein a shot this game" and no matter what I'd always have fun because I thought playing tank was fun. And then Overwatch 2 took my whole gameplay experience and tossed it in the trash, all so DPS players only had to wait 4 minutes for a game instead of 7. All I'm saying is that, if wait times for DPS players are so high because there are so many of them, maybe that has something to do with there being MANY more DPS heroes than tanks or supports. And maybe, MAYBE, the solution could have been a mix between more tank/support heroes AND making the game 7v7, so that way each game had two more DPS players, and then giving certain buffs to certain heroes as needed to survive a 3 DPS landscape. But noooo, destroy all the fun that the least-played role had. Sure.
Live service is killing gaming. STOP supporting live service, ALL OF IT. It is an unsustainable business model. Support for them is support for the over-monetization of gaming. You get the gaming landscape you deserve.
It's another case of "we are going to completely base our decisions on the sweaty pro scene" and that is not how 99% of people want to play. Overwatch was fun at release with ridiculous busted abilities and no role queue. I do not want to sweat, I want to have fun. I now play zero multiplayer shooters except occasionally TF2 because of hacking and sweat-focused balance decisions.
Preemptively adapting is such a goofy tactic, but it fits with what Blizzard has been doing. A bunch of suits sitting in an office going "Oh shit! Look at what they're doing!"
Blizzard was the beat company for me .. I played WC 2/3, SC 1/2, Diablo, WoW .. ever since WarCraft 3 refunded showed up, I canceled my subscription, deleted the client, my account is no longer active either. They did their best to turn me down, and I was a loyal fan and client since 2004.
My friend and i never got over the betrayal when they shut down overwatch 1 to try and force everyone to go to their over-monetized crap. We never touched it. There are too many better games to play that respect my money and time.
The fix for a lot of the issues with 6v6 was there from the start with open queue. Sure, more organized games is great for consistency but I was fine being the only tank on a team of 5 dps sometimes. It's why the game was fun for me tbh. I had agency to carry games with more than just skill. I could flex and babysit to win games too. The chaos was fun. Am I alone in this way of thinking? I really thought the only necessary change was making it so you can't have more than 1 of the same hero on each team. After that they were listening to their audience more than they should have. What they should do imo is go back to open queue but make it so that you can have you can't have more than 3 of any role in a game. That solves the queue issue and also make games more consistent while keeping the game mostly open. If they add hero bans on top of this then that solves issues like goats.
I used to play nothing but tank in comp during OW1. Now its unplayable. It feels terrible for every class, but especially tank. If you do good, the enemy team chooses new heroes to counter you, forcing you to either lose or swap heroes. Its nonstop hero swapping to counter the enemy tank, as the tank tries to keep switching to prevent from being at a disadvantage.
No, you're not alone. Instead of a fun game, we have a game where the developers impose their vision on how EVERY match should be played. Maybe they should have just limited the tank role to one to avoid a lot of stalemates.
The funny thing is 6v6 can be solved. It's just by that time, they just killed the game and the other roles were not getting content. Orisa rework could of been good in that format. New tanks we got would of solve it.
@@pippo17173exactly people forget ow1 only had 8 tanks and the game was abandoned for 3 years and there was cc plus stuns everywhere for the tanks to deal with but now? We have 12 tanks and we are getting the 13th tank this December so already tanks will be even more fun In a 6v6 format
@@kingclampz6081 also to add, brig and bap are the real culprits for causing people to hate tanks when they manage to keep them alive for so damn long.
They can open it back to 6v6 (because they cant balance tanks) but its still going to be plagued by awful balancing decisions like the entire implementation of hindered PS: This coming after the god awful HP change is hilarious
Not only the HP changes, the hitbox lol it's hilarious, Ashe and McCree hitting phantom headshots. That failed spectacularly, proving how this dev team had no idea how to balance the lone tank. And yes, they will struggle to balance 6v6, just like the previous team lead by Jeff (day 1 Brigitte was sin against humanity). It's a pointless endeavor because people will jump to Marvel Rivals anyway, I am willing to bet Overwatch will lose half of their playerbase in the first months, the poor little Paladins will be erased from existence. Overwatch is only alive because there was no direct competition, not even at the double A level. Now here it comes nextgen triple A hero shooter based on the Marvel IP, good luck competing with this monster
Patrolling the mines of Hoxes IV almost makes you wish for a “why is deep rock galactic so awesome!?” Video by the act man. Can I get a rock and stone!?
Role Queue isn't the problem. The monetization overhaul to milk players and scrapped PvE was the problem that left many people disillusioned enough to quit. For the latter half of 2023 I did quit, then I came back in early 2024. Role Queue improved the quality of games more than any other addition. The longest queue times in Quick Play aren't for DPS anymore, it's for Support. Meanwhile if you play Open Queue you get stuck with toxic DPS/Tank players forcing someone to capitulate being Mercy. Before Role Queue I could instalock a Tank like Reinhardt or Winston on the map Gibraltar, rush out to the first choke on defense, then notice as time was ticking down that not one of my idiot teammates bothered to pick a support. This is humiliating and awful. If everyone wasn't selfish and just queued for all roles -- which the daily challenges encourage -- everyone would be better off. I queue for all roles at least 3 times each day I play and get Tank 70-80% of the time. I do it more to get the 20/20 weekly challenge. Haven't gotten support in months.
Bruh i legit heard /believe that they knew pve was goint to be cancelled and instead of telling us about it.. they just stayed quiet and told us a few months after the release of ow2... Legit no good faith left i mean they JUST got rid of bobby not that long ago and the smell still lingering....
The revealed the cancellation of PvE in a sneaky way, that was horrendous PR, the worst kind. Make it seems like the Overwatch "2" trailers are examples of false advertisement, a scam. I don't think it was really that severe, they simply miscalculated their reach (as usual, Overwatch struggles with awful direction since day 1)... but like I said, when you act in a sneaky way, that generates a bad stench regardless
I think people forgot just how bad it can get in open queue unless you had a full stack or 5 grouped in OW1. And dont forget they didnt allow GMs to go pass a duo squad. Before role queue people would argue and complain about only 1 tank or 1 support (Possibly neither as well) and just ruin rank games. But with role queue, you avoid that entirely.
had enough moments of 5 dps and me as solo support to like role queue even if that made problems with finding matches. even had a 5 stack that went 5 dps that couldn't push through choke and acted as if they aren't to blame
I doubt he is talking about ranked. Ranked isnt even the issue either, because role queues make better sense there. Casual matchmaking adding forced role queue and class selection caps just added fucking lame layers to the game the casual person doesnt want to worry about. I remember when they added those and its precisely when the game wasnt as enjoyable to play.
I know this joke has been made a million times but.... It's not Overwatch 2, it's Overwatch 1.5 If the gamer literally replaces the original it's not a sequel. Hell, I still wish I could play the original. I don't even give a shit about 5v5 or 6v6
Calling it 1.5 is still a disrespect to the original game, this bs is OW 0.5. I'll admit I stopped playing for years because I was using a potato PC at the time, but I was still into the story and was going to come back whenever the PVE Story game mode is finished... which got cancelled after years of waiting :). Then my favorite playstyle in PVP (off tank) got deleted thanks to the change from 6v6 to 5v5! Screw you blizzard, never touching another game from them again.
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Blizzard recently came out to announce they were testing a 6v6 mode for Overwatch 2, making us all wonder: what was the point of Overwatch 2? Truth is, there never really was one. With the PVE scrapped, the only major change in the sequel was 5v5. So how did Overwatch 2 become a pointless sequel?
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Where's your RDR2 review bro? We've been waiting for months.
Act man p review Don’t starve together
Hey man of action have you ever played For Honor? If you ever did I'd be curious as to your take on a game like that
3 years wasted on no achieve missions. We could had gotten stories leading up to the team of overwatch being disbanded but nope it was the same always from 2020 to 2022. Then when PVE was finally announced we only got 4 missions.... Let that stink in how disappointing it was.
The cold hard truth is they never released overwatch two. They canceled it so they could remonetize overwatch one and call it overwatch two.
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I feel like I see this turtle guy in every comment section
Yea and just without full on campaign that is from two.
Yup when you install 2 it overwrites 1 on your hard drive. Literally the same game but not 6 on 6 and team comps were locked. They forced a downgrade on us
Overwatch was a franchise that could've been so much bigger than it was. It could've spawned so many more things like movies, shows, spin-offs, etc but Blizzard fumbled the bag so hard with this one. Overwatch is the definition of WASTED POTENTIAL
Overwatch COULD of been like LoL in the regards, a MASSIVE cashcow of a franchise that was sitting on there fingertips
But instead they thought a "good cashcow" is just remonitizing there game...........which well......just look how that went
it did spawned a lot of movies tho
@@JohnWick-rh1zzyou mean 16 minute cinematics for different characters?
@@thephoenix4093They might be referring to the popular “movies” starring most of the female heroes. I mean at this point, there’s more thought and effort put into them than the actual game.
they dindt fumble or waste anything with this ip shut up hater
Give Blizzard a break, they are a small indie company
I didn't realize this was Sam at first, then a giant wave of ohhhhHHHHHH hit me.
Also Blizzard: We killed what made OW great.
Noop,no excuse, blizzard had their chance, they have done goofed.
Sam what u doin here
As small as a ant..
I completely forgot Overwatch 2 was a game. Whenever OW came up my brain just defaulted to Overwatch when it was 6v6 and fun and not about "esports".
The sad truth is any game developer that starts to listen to the hardcore/eSports players instead of the wider community will inevitably lead its game to ruin. Because the eSports players don't play for fun, they play for victory and will optimize the fun out of the game as long as it gives them a 1% higher chance of winning a match
you mean porn?
@@dziosdzynes7663porn is signal handledly keeping overwatch alive
@@rodrigoperalta822 jesus these “esports” “athletes” just need to be shoved into a forest to f off they ruined cod and so many other great games just because they want to make some pennies playing a video game all day. It’s pathetic
I think Overwatch was always about esports. The Overwatch league was planned from the start.
No act man the sequel added a battle pass which is the most important component to a game
Hey now, who could forget about the skin shop?
@@SuperPowerButton I sure do love being able to buy skins that others put in effort to obtain with no drawbacks!
@@reallyfastturtle3272 I mean, yeah, totally ZERO drawbacks. So long as we don't count the time that they were recommending Torb skins while be was removed from play, or bastion skins while he was also removed from play. Don't you love buying overpriced skins for characters that you can't even use?
@@SuperPowerButton of course those characters were eventually added back, but yeah that was weird
@@SuperPowerButton wait, they removed the funny Swedish dwarf!?
FFS, in trying to avoid having the Engineer's Sentry, they went and made the bedshitting of the century!
From game of the year to a *storagefiller*
Sounds about right
Should’ve never won GOTY in the first place. Doom, UC4, and Dark Souls 3 were far better
@@Lifetime10154so annoying Doom got shafted so darn bad. That game was easily my GOTY
@@Lifetime10154i agree with you 100%
@@Kiryu_Kazuma01I agree doom was 👌
We long since knew this. Going back to 6v6 is a positive if anything but losing PVE was what actually showed people there was no point in this so called sequel.
It might not be that much of a positive with the queue times. To me it seems there was a good reason for 5v5
@@thegreatcrusade7297The queue times argument is bs for multiple reasons.
Even IF they were right, that’s shows theyre willing to make the game sub par just so that people can play more
And it’s NOT true or a representation of how queue times are now.
In October 2020, Overwatch had instant queue times for every role. What happened you may ask? More than 2-3 tanks were viable, all of the tanks were viable. The role was fun because there wasn’t an overly dominant meta (like double shield). I hate this misrepresentation when after role queue released, it was nothing but dominant metas that left no room for other tanks.
Not even talking about the fact that there were a lack of tanks and not many were fun. Now we have Ram and JQ as super fun tanks. Doomfist also brings the entire doom main community which is massive for tank populations.
The PvE is D R E A D F U L. The content they released of that is bottom tier junk.
@@thegreatcrusade7297 the switch to 5v5 was solely because about half as many people wanted to play tank
Its not a positive. It would mean we would have experienced a shitty 5v5 mode for nothing. Also the player base, what's left of it anyway, would struggle to adapt to 6v6, wouldn't you think? After all, they have gotten used to 5v5 for a long time.
1000+ hours in Overwatch, and less than 50 in Overwatch 2. Don't think anything would make me install the game again, I accepted the reality long ago lol. The canceled PVE, and paid events really killed it for me after they butchered PvP. The old lootboxes were so vanilla compared to the current model.
Overwatch 1 died just so we could have $20+ skins and battlepasses. Never thought I would miss lootboxes.
With loot boxes, I actually felt rewarded for grinding. Now I have to pay to grind, which is awful.😢
Especially with how good lootboxes were in overwatch 1 you could legitimately have every cosmetic in the game! It started going downhill with the eSports skins people started to pay for.
@@thechugg4372 i swear. I had so many credits saved up from duplicate that i could buy whatever event skin i wanted as soon as they dropped
Both systems are $hit.
One less smelly than other.
Up your standards ffs...
@@fr4nmo475 You at least got free currency for duped from the loot boxes. Got it whenever you reached max commendations or leveled up. I hate it but that system was better than what's in OW2
Blizzard nuked the entire OW franchise because they couldn’t figure out how to nerf goats comp.
Not even that. They knew what was the problem more or less, but they didn't wanted to ruin "hero fantasy" of certain characters, mainly Brig.
Also, i said "more or less" because well... They rarely let things just marinate and allow players to show if something works or not, they either keep pumping changes after changes or don't bother with anything.
@@nihili4196 I think it's the other way around, the balancing team never reacts, always procrastinating. Brigitte is the ultimate example, the worst design in Overwatch (nowadays you can argue Lifeweaver took her place), it took YEARS until the devs finally nerfed her. Since day 1 people complained about Brigitte, she is too strong, she is brain dead, etc.. The devs reacted years later, barely a inconvenience
@@RRRRRRRRR33 Brigitte is braindead? What are you saying? Maybe you were just quoting others but Brigitte is not braindead.
They nuked it because they forced jeff out of the company
except GOATS wasn't GOATS because of the 2/2/2 it was GOATS because of 3 tank 3 support. So moving down to 1 tank doesn't even make sense as a balance change.
It’s not even a sequel, it’s literally just DLC. No point at all after they scrapped the literal point that made it *2* which was beyond stupid.
Cant call it a DLC, if it removes more, then its added xD
Pretty poor excuse for DLC too, when the previous characters added we're free additions
The .exe literally still just says Overwatch. It was a patch that's all
@@edwardrichtofen611Sounds like counter strike 2 if you ask me lol, still play it all the time tho just annoying
The most laughable thing about all this is that they have the worst selective hearing when it comes to what the community wants. For example when Mercy gets changed in a way that upsets us Mercy mains they change the game to make us happy again, being one of their biggest parts of their community. But when Hanzo gets desyroyed with direct and indirect buffs or nerfs, they don't try and do a thing. It's a joke, no oneshots, a stupid speed buff to his already useless dragonstrike, and imcreasing the hitboxes to compensate is just funny
Now you know how the Caberknights feel.
Amusingly, though, many in TF2 are asking for Valve to remove oneshots from Sniper.
@@auraguard0212 anyone in the TF2 community that unironically thinks Valve will make balance changes at this point is fooling themselves
Guick question. when has Blizzard ever balanced their games?
Always look at changes from the pespective of "what takes the least amount of time, money, effort, or talent"
@@goon009 "Don't you guys have phones?"
Also small reminder that the skill tree/story/pve was cancelled way before the release of OW2, they purposely hid that to contain damage when the game released.
Not that I don't believe you, but source?
Yup. Exactly why it’s not on my hard drive. Who loses though? Me. I just don’t think that’s anything I can ever forgive.
@@AresGod0fWar "I just don’t think that’s anything I can ever forgive" where is your anime pfp?
@@EdwardGordington Is having an anime pfp supposed to be some edgy insult?
@@EdwardGordingtonbros comments are all hating. Bro got hating in his blood
Stopped playing after they cancelled the Borderlands-esque PvE and refused to make matchmaking reward personal contribution more. What a shame, the game has an excellent core gameplay loop.
I think blizzard screwing up so hard is going to be the reason Marvel Rivals will surpass OW2.
Rivals already looks like better character designs, and in a time where OW2 is struggling to get new players and pissed off a bunch of old players. Perfect recipe for a new game to take over
@@przemysawbrzeczyszczykiewi1211 as much as I hate ow2 you are actually coping so hard if you think rivals has even a slight chance of replacing overwatch
Matchmaking does reward personal contribution, if you're good enough at the game you can easily climb ranks, so it might just be a skill issue. Also to the other person here, as much as I hope rivals pushes OW to make better decisions I highly doubt that it will overtake it. Also I get that you hate the game but how can you actually believe that the character designs in rivals are better? Half of the characters take lots of inspiration from the ow characters anyway, but missing the charm of characters like rien and lucio. Sorry for yapping
@@calus_bath_waterIf it does as well as OW before they made OW2, then yeah it might and I'm hoping it does surpass OW2.
@@PotNoodle1234Excuse me? How do characters from MARVEL take inspiration from Overwatch? These characters have existed for decades before overwatch was even a thought in the creators brain.
One big silly mistake? More like one big cash grab
Eeeeeeehhhhhhhh why not both?
If by "one big silly mistake" you mean " a series of calculated actions to wring your wallet for every penny inside it", yeah that's right.
This is a heist they pulled on basically babies/modern gamers they hit a score, Aaron can only feel so bad he accidentally ruined the game while accidentally getting yacht money
They pulled a doctor disrespect, made promises and while they did that straight up hide the fact their just greedy
@@Epsilon430do you have a brain? He said it wasnt a mistake and that it was a cash grab, like read?
It sucks that Overwatch could dead ass be such a good game but Blizzard just doesn't care to make it a good game
There's another timeline where Overwatch 2 was just a massive update to Overwatch 1, was never marketed as Overwatch 2, got all the single player content we were promised, spawned an Arcane-esk show with 10/10's across the board. Unfortunately we live in the one where that didn't happen
I guess that's a timeline where someone with a passion for making fun games had the final say on everything for Overwatch instead of a passion for making the most money possible.
In that timeline, blizzard didn't have the same higher-ups, and OW2 never existed, cuz it were all implemented on OW1 from the get go
Overwatch 2 is just an update for OW1. It’s not a new game. I never downloaded OW2, OW1 updated to it. 😂
We are at the Homelander reality, the Devs either sexually harass everyone around them and/or drink lactating mother’s milk
One where we didn't have Jeff lose his passion and jump ship because of the shitty execs decisions. I want that timeline.
Blizzard: But But.... But But Money
We need more MONEH
How is it that they still make money?
Don't worry, I too, hate capitalism
That is the real reason why Overwatch 2 exists, even though I'm disappointed
Hey blizzard you want to know how you could get money? REVIVE THE PVE YOU PROMISE IN 2019!
It all boils down to one thing: They did not respect the casual player base. The OWL, the balancing, the cancelled PvE, the greedy monetization, it's all linked to the same core issue: Blizzard didn't give a shit about what most of the players enjoyed about this game. But hey, it's Blizzard. They have stopped giving a shit about players a long time ago.
@JackBytez don't forget they made brig, a hard counter to the then popular dive comp because casuals couldn't defend against it.
Bullshit. Having Unhealthy and Broken Metas which last for couple of months IS NOT listening to Competetive players.
Heck, Casuel Players even thought that Brig wasnt broken because they played her like a 2nd reinhard.
Im pretty sure her winrate sucked in low ranks because of that
Also don’t forget it’s Activision blizzard now
@@TheRevelationTheRevolution Of course. I consider StarCraft II the last game of "old Blizzard".
Diablo 3, HotS, Hearthstone and Overwatch came out during the transitional period. Some old talent still was there, but the cracks started to show.
The phase of true evil was entered with the announcement of iablo: Immortal. From that point onwards, things only got worse.
Which is weird because WoW has only been getting better and better lately.
The only reason they released _"Overwatch 2"_ was so that they could change the entire monetization structure.
It's been confirmed that Blizzard knew the PVE content was not happening way back in late 2021... Because they halted all development on the PVE content at that time and put everyone on getting _"Overwatch 2"_ ready for launch (which it STILL wasn't, as the launch was botched due to server issues)... then post-launch they kept everyone working on "Overwatch 2" and never put teams back on PVE content development.
So the only things they did were to change the monetization structure and make the game 5v5... Which I feel like they did for THE SOLE reason of trying to give _"Overwatch 2"_ its own identity... Not because the game was actually designed around 5v5. It was just a way of saying "Look! This is different than Overwatch 1... Please Clap.".
I played mostly tank and healer in OW1 and i made a really good friend who co-tanked with me, we made a really good team with him as Reinhardt and me as Zarya, and we really bonded playing those roles, but then OW2 came around and removed one of the tanks so we couldn't duo tank anymore. We still played together but we had to take turns tanking which eventually put a strain on things and we ended up drifting apart. I can legitimately say that OW1 made me a friend, and then OW2 was a leading cause in that friendship fading away.
I’m so sorry to hear that man. I can’t even imagine what that must be like.
@@JakeTheStakeNowIn3D5024 it's probably like OW2.
This is me and my buddy Devon exactly
That was depressing to read
I have similar stories.
Me and my ex use to be rhein and zaya mains
What's even worse is that Overwatch 2 isn't a second game, but a heavily monetized replacement of the original that still plays essentially the exact same otherwise. You literally can't play Overwatch 1 any more, and your only option is Overwatch 2.
How can it be a sequel when you can't even access the original game anymore? I guess Blizzard had to justify all the monetization by slapping a 2 on the title and calling it a sequel, instead of keeping the original name and calling it a glorified shop update which is exactly what it is.
Yes exactly this, If it really is a second game then i want a refund on the first game that i paid for that i cant play anymore. How is this even legal
It does NOT play like Overwatch 1. Game has lost some its charm and touch of its prequel. It is more stale and has a lower skill floor.
@@kims4149 much lower skill floor, they killed the game with lgbtqbbq supports that are brain dead easy to play and ruin an actual skillful player's day. whoever came up with baptiste, moira, the originial brig, and kiriko need to be fired, genuinely they should never be hired anywhere else.
@@whitebwoiexcept for Kiriko, all of these heroes are from OW1. And if you think Baptiste is "braindead" then you haven't played a lot of overwatch and don't know what you're talking about lol. The best you can do is shut the heck up instead of parroting popular opinions.
Overwatch can change but it’s really up to us the players to protest some changes, but its really difficult man
We'll market it as "New Slurm". When everyone hates it, we'll bring back "Slurm Classic" and make billions.
Yknow that Futurama joke was based on New Coke and Coke Classic right?
@@Mr-Escape-Artistdoesn't mean it doesn't apply here either
@Charles-sb9ky correct but it applies to overwatch too 😂
@@Mr-Escape-Artist Wait, a show from 20 years ago wasn't talking Overwatch 2?
@@ohaiduhgthis can't be
The problem with something like "Just add a separate lobby queue" is that it divides the player base and like any other quick-n-easy fix, problems tend to crop up elsewhere. Fewer players means longer queue times, longer queue times means fewer players. What blizzard should've done is make tanks and healers fun if they wanted to solve the "No one wants to play these 2 roles". Then they could get rid of role queue entirely and consolidate their entire ranked player base into one queue.
Blizzard got so desperate for players that they're reverse engineering the game back to Overwatch 1
They are calling their ex for a hookup.
@@MrFallenoneDaddy Geoff?
Their player counts are fine though? I know we're supposed to hate overwatch or whatever but the game is doing fine
Best thing they can do with that pice of poop at that point.
@@soxxks the problem (for activision) isn't that the numbers are "fine", it's that it's not growing. the entire point of the massive investment of OW2 and its steam release was for it to grow, and it kind of hasn't for over a year.
which is what is begging the question "what was the point". it could be making a ton more money and goodwill, but it's now diverting to OW1 because OW2 failed to generate enough new interest by not doin anything it promised.
The true, sole purpose of OW2 was live service model monetization. That’s it, that’s all. Same old greedy Blizzard.
I give you this, if they promoted the free to play transition as just one big "update", rename the game to "Overwatch Recharged" or something like that, the PR would be a little bit more positive. When you thrown a solid number, that raises expectations, it can turn into a double edge sword
The true purpose was to make a pve/story game and eventually an mmo, but blizzard fucked jeff's plans and made the trash we have today
I still get goosebumps watching the first OW2 trailer, especially when Genji comes flying outta nowhere to save Winston...it's so sad to see such a promising and fun game turn into what it is now
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Bro, Zero Hour might be one of their best cinematics! Such a shame that it went nowhere😔.
You cutting before Genji pulled out his dragon should be a crime
pulled out his WHAT
@MrRulet550 you heard the man
You don't want to make the dragon angry
They took the game I loved, replaced it with a turd and said "you're welcome"
I literally cannot play this game. I loved casually playing Overwatch with my hardcore player friends. They still play the game every now and then, but i honestly just have no love for a game franchise that has decided not invest in itself.
game is good lmao
@@gamerbeast3616 ow1 yeah
@@gamerbeast3616 What in the fuck are you talking about?
And then continuously keep lying to our faces about the state of the game
From a perspective of someone who loved overwatch for years and was a big part of my life, i felt wildly betrayed by overwatch 2. Casual progression (levels, EARNABLE lootboxes) being taken out of the game, being replaced by progression systems you had to spend money on (battlepasses). Locking heroes behind stupid unnecessary grind or again, behind a paywall. The awful changes to the ranked system and the inevitable cancellation of PVE, it felt so clear that Blizzard as a company didnt have the love for Overwatch anymore and that showed in OW2. No cinematics, a real lack of marketing and imo disgusting monetization changes; OW2 felt empty. Truly i cannot think of one change OW2 made from Overwatch that objectively benefited the players. Im glad to see the current devs speak so passionately about wanting to make changes that benefit the players, but im sure alot of people like myself who dont play anymore feel its too little too late. Great video man
"OW2 felt empty"
This statement sums it up perfectly. There was only 1 thing I think everyone was excited for about OW2, which was the PvE, and once that got nixed everything else fell apart because there was nothing to be enthusiastic for anymore. It's hard to imagine Blizzard was trying to do anything but crash Overwatch into the ground because every single decision they made for the game has felt like a deliberate attempt to spit on the playerbase.
The ONLY positive I can find is the ping system. The rest is just pointless to the player, downgraded/worsened or gotten rid of. Aside of the monetization which I HATE with every bit of my soul, I also HATE how they essentially stripped the game from community systems like endorsing enemy players, post game card system, post game chatting period of 30s (now it just plops you into battlepass rewards after potg), post match stay in group, or looking for group feature. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they announce clan system back when OW2 was first released or some time later? Did it even come out or did they state that it's being scrapped?
This is just me but i personally hated the introduction of 5v5 since removing a tank changed the game for the worse and made some of the tanks much harder and less enjoyable to play. I played since the beta and 5v5 just felt like it ripped out its soul.
Winston was my main and him becoming the primary tank completely ruined his play-style since his role is a secondary tank that jumps past the tanks and attacking the squishys (healers especially), jumping away when a tank or offense character comes to kill you/aid the healer.
Not to mention the terrible balancing and character decisions
They can say whatever they want, who knows the truth? At this point, they lost the trust of a lot of people.
Overwatch 2 is the only game that transitioned from a paid model to a free-to-play one and still managed to fail so miserably. I mean, how could you mess it up? Overwatch was already so popular and successful. Going free-to-play could have easily launched the game to the top of the charts.
That's the problem. No one in the player base wanted it to be free to play and extremely monetized with microtransactions everywhere. and the hero missions that was going to make the game be in any way different from OW1 got canceled months before the game came out, yet they still put it in the advertising.
@@caboose-kx8bi yeah right, Overwatch 2 is just unnecessary
They wanted a TF2 but with the "classes" being the characters locked to specific capabilities (AKA like subclasses, I.E. pure Demoknight instead of Demoman, or even HybridKnight.)
What they got instead was a giant pile of monetised bullshit.
Honestly the brutal FOMO that Overwatch 2 had killed my interest. It felt like I was held at gunpoint to keep playing it. After a while I didn’t fear missing out and instead wanted to miss out and give up on trying to keep up. FOMO does a better job at making players stop playing rather than keep them playing
It completely fucks with my head to think that Overwatch is nearly ten years old. I played the game back during its first year, 2016-2017, and that feels like it happened like a month ago.
I think it’s because this game feels like a product of modern times. Overwatch _feels_ like it could’ve been released in 2023 or 2024.
Jesus... Where did time go man?
Arkham Knight really makes you *FEEL* like you're Batman!
IGN probably.
I agree, it was very ahead of it's time in many ways. The gameplay was and still is fluid, the animations are some of the best in the cartoony game styles and it introduced lootboxes in mainstream gaming (we don't talk about that)
That was overwatch’s best selling feature, it was so fluid and colorful for what it is. These characters could have a cartoon and it would do ins a numbers. It would be the biggest cartoon since Ben 10. It’s crazy they left it all on the table. I mean kids will still play it so I guess they’ll be fine unfortunately…
@ricardobph wow, tf2 can't even get credit for its negative impacts on gaming.
If anyone didn’t know. Open queue is an option in ranked and casual modes. Is less popular because the “freedom and openness” just ends up meaning 4or5 dps for players on each team
It was dog shit and anyone who says otherwise didn't play when it was 5 dps and a hog basically being a DPS himself while the team spammed "We need a healer".
It was cancer incarnate. OW always catered to DPS and it if ever did it was patched out pretty quickly. Let the "free market" of role q times prove the argument. Even when DPS were "weak" they were still fun, had options to adapt to the enemy team and could still one shot in many instances.
it became to skewed back then from the original idea of capable, but team work dependent wipes and kills that anything less than a solo wipe became an affront.
Those same people have nostalgia for the worst period of the games balance and history. If main character syndrome was a class it was DPS.
Really? I get teams of 3 tanks two healers making it an annoying war of attrition that isn’t fun for anyone
@@davidgatsby3775 I played support and tank during those days. Didnt bother me much. You pretty much just changed one frustration for another. Now in O@ you get two healers but good luck on them ever being healers that you actually want. Damn LW mercy and moira mains.
Not really, in this patch all i see is the fucking boring op tanks
As someone who mostly played open que ranked, you are forgetting the tragedy of quad tank. A virtually unstoppable comp if you played any dps other than echo or reaper, even then you would have 3 tanks and one healer.
you may ask how is it a tragedy if no one played it, I say it was very underrated and where I had most of my fun until headshot mitigation passives and armor buffs. It did seal my opinion however that 1 tank is far to linear for a game like overwatch. It’s not very fun to hug the objective 70% of the time until an opening happens
The main issue that nobody talks about is that those queue times also include when blizzard practically abandoned the game. No duh the queue times are gonna be long if you lose a ton of players from no balance update. That and the fact that double shield was the meta during that content drought makes their entire reasoning for going to 5v5 a self created problem from abandoning overwatch 1
I know I am a bit late to the party but it's insane to hear the sentence "Sony's Concord will release in a few weeks" with the current knowledge of Concords... "debut".
The biggest blunder is that Overwatch 2 doesn’t feel like Overwatch in any way. Even the main menu feels off. When I first started Overwatch 1, it felt so fucking good to play. I loved the characters and the mystery behind the lore, we got lore bits here and there and it felt like Christmas came early every time a cinematic dropped. Multiplayer felt great and loot boxes were actually perfect because I was able to earn free skins because I played a lot. The only thing I wanted in OW1 was a story mode. I think everyone wanted that. What a shame it turned out like a lifeless money sink that it is. I would be buying the game a thousand times over if I bought all the skins they offered. Rewarded skins for character progression would be a cool idea though. I wonder if they even considered that.
The funny part is, the characters in the game wouldn’t agree with how the game is now.
There's a welcoming feeling when you boot up the game and is greeted by the entire roster with the OG We Are Overwatch OST blaring the brass horns then you log in to OW2 and is greeted by... a soulless remix without the horns. They even got the perfect recipe for post-game screen with all chat on down to the last notes of the Victory OST which they then reduced to nothingness in OW2. Even the Play of the Game section feels lifeless with that sorry remix. And this is just the presentation side of what went wrong with this "sequel"
They stripped it of its soul and personality to be generic steam shooter #432
the fact that blizzard is so unbelievably braindead that they didn't mitigate the negative press of cancelling OW2 pve by releasing an animated series like riot did with arcane is crazy to me. Arcane cost $90m to make and the estimated profits are over $8billion with 150m+ new league accounts. All this after blizzcon announced pve is coming when they knew 2 years prior the pve content was cancelled just to get a few battlepass dollars for a quarterly report.
I can agree with that but iirc arcane took quite a while to make. Seeing as blizzard was going into it already expecting ow2 to be a mega smash hit success they wouldn't have had anywhere close to enough foresight to get that in the works beforehand
You think an animated series can help mitigate that negative press, oh how hilarious
@heistingcrsusader_ad3223 worked for Riot, nobody talks about the lawsuit they went through anymore.
@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 oh, it absolutely would.
I mean, problems with balance were enough to bury PvE over time, something actually nice would work so well.
But for that Blizzard would have to think
this common is the reason why I don't read comments.
are you four years old? you must be
The fact that the original Overwatch won GOTY 2016, and is now unplayable is an absolute crime. The GOTY from 8 years ago is completely unplayable, and there were so many better options that lost to the hype over overwatch at the time.
Still upset over that decision even now, DOOM got robbed fr
@@SmokeyOwOs Yeah Doom or even Uncharted 4 should have won, or even Dark Souls 3.
Tbh this what happens when a pvp only game wins goty
goty ow was great the sad part was everyone hated the game even celebs, top streamers, esports, even shroud himself said ow1 was bullshit even if it won goty 2 times and the entire core game was fun to play
when ow2 came out yes i even hated it coz it didnt feel like a sequel and the addicting nature isnt there anymore instead it was just skins and skins and more skins with 5v5 it just didnt feel fun
yet top streamers, esports, and celebs said ow2 is a fun and better even if its low tier mid at this point Gen alpa, brainrots, egirls, and Gen Z players have ruined this game and so many games u play now is so unplayable ever since they introduced 5v5 since we got a tank who is either fucking brainrot noob or bot and u got ur supports who are fucking throwers who think they are the next tiktok prodigy player
ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT
I remember ow1 when it had the greatest moments of all it had satisfying kills, good content, and a lot of good ass fun shit i ever had in my life but now its all gone
wdym unplayable have u like tried it? i play it often and its in a pretty good spot rn
People don't grasp the severity of the downgrade that happened between OW and OW2 because for the longest time we were surfing around the Monetization and PVE conversations
where as a lot of things happened to the existing game, it's gameplay and character integrity and some of it happened exactly because of PVE.
- The engine, Tank Engine 2 is nowhere near as good or fit for the fidelity required for a competitive game, even if you play casually, i wonder how would casuals rate the visibility in a average overwatch match, i bet a lot of them feel disoriented and confused. Tank engine, Overwatch was put together by industry veterans, the entire project was worked on by Veterans, by the time OW2 came around, by that time those Veterans have moved on from the project or from blizzard entirely, not only a bunch of newbies made the engine but they made it with the incentive that this has to look good when you're doing PVE missions, sandstorms, light scattering, bloom, etc.. This all still in the game despite none of it getting used and it affects the game requirements, it affects Ram usage (Went from 2GB to 4GB of ram on lowest settings for no visual benefits) a lot of effects, shields, projectiles, abilities gained and emitt light that in a PVP match, is only bothersome and straining to look at. Peoples original argument back in OG OW for 5v5 was that we had a terrible double shield meta, lots of lasers, effects, visual clutter, we argued that 5v5 would reduce that by a lot, little did we comprehend how OW2 will pan out in terms of it's new engine, not only it's still as if we had 12 players on the field but it's worst so i can't even imagine adding that 2 tank back further devastating the visual fidelity. To add, ever since not so long ago they further diminished the integrity of a FPS / Moba game by ruining the Hitboxes intentionally, so casuals can get shots even tho the hitbox would suggest that they missed by like 2-3 head width. Yes, it's real..
-The Match making, this bleeds a little bit into the previous point given the tough balance of tanks and the supports keeping them up, tanks make or break the game, a good tank will win every game but at the cost of having to be a meta slave, play the wrong tank, play badly, and you cost people the match. To much responsibility, with to much focus on you alone. On an other note, matchmaking is terrible, i think casuals need Skill based match making, it's in their favor, for as long they don't exceed 55% win rate, if you do, you nose dive.
-Lastly, character integrity.. I don't care about woke, i don't care about political angles but all of these characters have one thing in common and nothing of value beyond that, is their sexual or racial identity, and the typical "i'm cool" cocky Tony Stark like character behavior, who they are, What their importance is, anything at all that adds character is none existent. I don't know who these characters are, i would argue ever since Baptiste we've been struggling to get anything of value to add to the story, world, or even just a interesting character (Not Gameplay) but even before that it was difficult to take it seriously, everyone remembers Sigma's trailer.. Let's put that in a retrospective context, he's the feet, silly music guy.. Absolutely destroying that initial trailer hype.
Hes not Lex Luthor, hes just some tall bald guy that likes feet and music. That's abysmal if we ever wanted a serious story. Don't ever make an OW series because this is not the material for it.
So you'll use Kriea? And not give us the KOTOR 2 video?
*"Apathy is death. Worse than Death"*
Never thought I'd say this but they should NOT have removed lootboxes. You could previously get every skin from the game by grinding.
I remember a previous OW2 video doing the math and concluding it would take around 300 years or something absurd like that in order to get everything.
Same. Once you played long enough and had almost everything you could farm a shitload of coins to purchase whatever event skins you missed.
1,000,000,000%. I understand the issue with loot boxes when the only way to access them is to pay money (looking at you Rocket League), but in games like Apex Legends where you get a free Loot Box per day, or Overwatch 1 where you'd just randomly get them by leveling up or have a guaranteed legendary item gifted to you around the holidays, that wasn't bad at all. I built up a really nice collection of OW1 skins purely from random loot box drops, spending $0 outside of the $30 investment to buy the game. I haven't bought a single OW2 skin simply because I don't receive enough of their in-game currency to get stuff for free. They literally took a mechanic that was blamed for being exploitative to people with gambling addictions, but which cost $0 for the average player, and have now made it exploitative to EVERYONE because the skins are ridiculously priced at $10-$20 EACH! It boggles my mind that stuff I once got for free out of random loot boxes is now on a pay-with-real-money marketplace for outrageous prices, and nobody talks about how exploitative that practice is because it is a trillion times worse than loot boxes ever were.
They could just reimplement the loot boxes back and integrate them into the BP, like how Siege has the Alpha Packs in their BP.
I saw this video that showed how long it would take to get just one legendary skin for every hero in the game at that point. Over 20 years of grinding, if I'm not mistaken.
One of my bro's his girlfriend was a top overwatch player. But lately we played helldivers 2 and his gf was playing overwatch. The cute introvert girl from real life...turned into a frustrated swearing monster. Oh how does she hate the sequel. She cursed activision into oblivion. I had 380mm artillery shells landing next to me and i could still hear Her yelling in the background how incompetent of a skidmark blizzard is.
E...if you read this..i heard everything.
She got corrupted lmao
Tell her to play helldivers 2. Or tf2 .
@@alexbrinzan9061. Maybe hd2, tf2 is bot filled mess
@@krazyd0nut404 Well it's seems to be fixed (for now at least)
@@krazyd0nut404 community servers dont have bots.
5v5 was supposed to fix the problem that *NOBODY QUEUES TANK*. That's the core problem: Nobody wants to play tank, nobody wants to play support, either, but it sucks far less than playing tank, because as a tank in Overwatch, your job is to be a giant punching bag for every piece of bullshit in the enemy team's kit. That's your job, to be a literal piñata for the opponents to bludgeon. And if they buff tanks up to the point where that isn't absolute torture, then the game stops being fun for anyone else. It's a fundamentally flawed game design, a PVE paradigm mapped onto a PVP game, and it fucking sucks, and always will. That's why everyone wants PVE Overwatch.
The funny thing is I believe they came out recently and backpedaled on queue times being the reason. Because queue times never got better. There are still like ten minute queue times for dps and they always knew 5v5 wasn’t going to change anything because now while tank didn’t struggle quite as hard you still couldn’t find supports
Tank was actually fun in ow1, it's just that some people couldn't stand working in tandem with the other tank as that was too hard for them. That's why the tank population was so low, it had too high of a ceiling but that doesn't mean that they should rip away the only thing that NO OTHER GAME has to become a shitty shooter game.
I literally went from playing tank religiously to not touching it for months, it's so unfun.
@@KURENANI No. No it isn't. There might be one in a hundred or one in a thousand players who actually want the tank role. Everyone else has to be coerced into doing it, which is what Role Queue is really about: Forcing players to do things they don't actually want to do. If nobody plays Tank the way you want them to play, it's because they don't want to do the job *period*.
The most popular tank in OW was Roadhog, because it was the least tank-like of any of the tanks. It's not a coincidence that he was also the least *effective* tank, because the good tanks were the ones with barrier spam, because barriers don't confer ult charge on the people shooting them. Which is the other reason they got rid of 2 tanks: DPS were quitting the game because spending the entire game shooting barriers was boring AF.
So instead of making a game in which the players can actually do things they enjoy, Team 4 insists on making everyone wait until *someone* volunteers for the drudgery that is playing Tank or Support.
@@AaronMichaelLong
1.
Roadhog has never been the most popular tank in OW1, I played every day for 2 hours and I only saw a roadhog player twice a week. So your point doesn't stand at all, also his playstyle was far different from the shield tanks so if you are playing him as one, of course, he gets less value.
2.
DPS players are too stupid to shoot from different angles that's why they get nothing done and have no fun. That is mostly their fault outside the unkillable sigma/orisa duo.
This could have been fixed with just a little tweaking like making Orisas fortitude cooldown longer and less effective or Nerf sigmas grasp to last shorter and maybe a longer time to wait after retracting his shield so there is a cost to doing it. Just like that, the game is fixed.
"DPS players are too stupid to shoot from different angles that's why they get nothing done and have no fun."
That is an utterly insipid remark. When you've got two tanks spamming barriers into a linear map with few flanking routes and ample chokepoints, it doesn't matter how smart you are.
Kindly explain to me how you're supposed to use "off angles" at the first choke in EIchenwalde? Or Blizzard World? Or Hollywood? Or Dorado?
Overwatch is a very simplistic game, with very predictable, linear maps, and built-in voice comms.A solitary player flanking by themselves is feeding, unless they have abilities which afford them a free exit from an engagement, like Genji, Tracer or Sombra.
I love how you claim that Orisa Sigma is the result of player "stupidity", when the best players in the world at the end of OW1's run were constantly being thwarted by the omnipresent dual-shield meta. Is Carpe stupid? Is Fleta stupid? Is SoOn stupid? No. When the metagame produced by the designers is so fundamentally broken that they have to completely re-design the game to fix it, it's not the result of individual player stupidity. It's *DESIGNER* stupidity.
And the problem with your fix is that it would balance dual shield, but it would also make these tanks completely hopeless paried with any non-barrier tanks. Your solution is "erase the character" with extra steps. Which is exactly what Blizzard did with their other moronic design choice, Brigitte.
The reason they switched to 5v5 is because the OW development team is absolute garbage. they couldn't balance goats, so they made role queue. Then they couldn't balance double shields, so they made 5v5. They also know that by adding 6v6 back into the game, they admit this game was a failure, so they're trying to save face.
This.
Nah 5v5 better
Wonder why TF2 stood alone for the longest time? Hero shooters are impossible to balance - rewards gadget and utility/ultimate spam.
I actually believe that big part of this was Overwatch league. As they where trying to balance game for the highest rank player base so that the games would be more fun to watch (remember hero pools?). It wasn't possible to balance it to be as fun for casuals. And now when Owl is out of the picture there is nothing stopping them to put all the focus on preferences of majority players, which i believe is that good balance not necessarily equals fun.
@@death_forsale1362 5v5 feels like a ch1nese knock-off mobile game.
Whats funny about those $15 pve missions, is that the missions themselves are actually only worth $5. It comes in a bundle with 1000 overwatch credits which are $10
I got that $40 bundle during release. Even if $5, better off buying some indie game on steam.
what a thing to say... you are the ideal customer in blizzard's eyes
Ok is there a way to buy just the missions?. Oh wait why am I asking that it should have been free.
@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 nope. Has to be the $15 bundle
@@silenf519 huh??
Playing as a main tank, having a buddy covering you up was a great feeling
Zarya and Rein was something special ❤
The synergy was awesome, it made it rewarding if you can communicate with each other, push abilities together - actually punish if timings were right. I miss Zarya-Rein, so much. D.va-Winston. Winston bubbled as he dived in. Endless possibilities....
... now its haha Mauga go brrrr charge
@@Labyethan Right? I miss playing tank. I can't do it alone. Too much pressure. And like you said, no synergy without another tank.
@@vellathewenchthat was like 1 in 10 matches. Most matches were a miserable Roadhog lockdown
@@ChocolateFudgeWave that's generous, most times I have/see now is counterswapping or Mauga on Mauga action. I asked my team what they wanted, they said Mauga - next thing I know I got 12,000 damage but 2/2/4, because Mauga on Mauga is ass!
@@vellathewench Speaking to the choir, man. I miss those days - now, as I wrote that, I realized the new tank heroes won't even work in 2/2/2. Who can Ramattra syngerize with tank wise? Junker Queen? Mauga? New heroes aren't designed with the idea of teamwork, because if we're honest, and we're seeing it with Juno - sure she can heal, but with mobility she has, she's just Lucio 2.0 with a little bit of Ana there.
It's just damage. Just damage, or selfish playstyles. We used to shun Reddit Lucios, but now its the norm to be that way. Tanks now aren't the same tanks, no one wants to play Rein anymore, and no ones scared of Reaper who was supposed to be the guy who shredded tanks.
How it aged like milk for concord in this video
I can’t stand open queue. I don’t find it fun when 4 people choose DPS and spam “I need healing” and refuse to play a different role to help the team.
At my high diamond elos I rarely see Dps, all I see is 4 tanks 1 healer or 3 tanks 2 healers.. you cant win otherwise
Yeah, it was never any fun. That's why they switched to role queue. Anyone who complains about role queue being bad for the game was ALWAYS a DPS.
@@vellathewench there's more to a game than winning, for most people who play it.
@@auraguard0212you clearly didn't even read. They said nothing about winning, they said it isn't fun. I absolutely agree with them. I'm not trying to deal with everyone trying to play low health dps constantly.
Yeah that was always annoying, but it was also fun seeing weird comps like that work. I remember one of the best games I've had was against a team of nothing but squishy dps on rialto and losing. It was hard fought but fun.
I think it's more so just toxic mentality of some players always serving their own needs first. Playing support I've been trashed talked by tanks not supporting them while they try to 1v6 the enemy team and hardly look out for anyone on our team.
Overwatch 2 selling points: It doesn't have loot boxes, it has a cool PvE campaign, 6v6 is now 5v5, no more of 2cp maps (even though they were the best maps in the game (Hanamura and Volskaya my beloved)) abunch of new heroes
What we got: a battle pass that makes EA look like generous saints in comparison. No PvE campaign. It might still be 6v6.
And not to mention, out of all the new heroes, we got:
3 New Tanks, Doomfist is now also a tank and Orisa has a brand new kit.
3 new supports(soon to be 4 with Juno)
And only 2 DPS (even after they moved Doomgist)(Venture, just like the Playstation 5 with exclusive games that aren't remakes or remasters, has no Skins)
They also removed Mei's Freeze and McCree's flashbang.
DPS players are not eating good.
I'm glad I dropped OW2, I absolutely loved OW1, I had hundreds if hours in it. I could barely play a week of OW2.
You want a Free Team-Based Hero Shooter that doesn't want to suck your soul? Paladins is right there.
Also, they could definitely have kept OW1 and 2 as separate games, just like how EA kept PvZ Garden Warfare 1 and 2 separate.
Players can still play GW1, and others can play GW2.
Anyways, Make a video on Paladins or something.
Yo if you’re looking for a free team based hero shooter Mecha Break is currently in a beta and it’s some of the most fun I’ve had gaming in a while. It’s basically a mecha game with objective based team gameplay. Think armored core but overwatch. It’s legitimately really fun.
At least you could earn loot boxes and earn everything in the game $20 for a recolors is just outrageous
Yes! I second Paladins. It's not perfect but it's fun, and vastly shorter match time. That's where I went.
I agree with you.
Also pvz garden warfare 1 and pvz garden warfare 2 is super good better then overwatch 2.
@@frosty4822 I still play GW2 whenever I feel like it. It's amazing whenever you get put in a match with no hackers or bots.
Sadly GW1 is mostly infested with Hackers so there's not much to do there, The single-player is still fun tho.
the problem with 5v5 is that in order to balance the tank role they had to make each tank viable which fixed the tank role but broke the individual tanks as a result.
Crazy how a game can expand to this degree and still have almost zero lore to its name. That’s all I ever hear Overwatch fans ask for, and the one thing they want, some freaking story, they cannot get. And no I’m not talking about outside sources like books. I mean in-game
They used to have a yearly story mission for free but they cancelled those too because why make the game fun when you can make the game miserable but sell trash skins for 20 bucks
Sadly there isn't much of a story that can be told without it being generic Avengers style get-togethers to smash some boring robots.
Because you're still using the same multiplayer abilities and weapons/ammo in the PvE modes we got. They didn't even bother making it feel different. So imagine you're playing as Widow in her campaign or whatever and all you do is snipe, snipe, snipe while grappling from one point to the next. An actual snoozefest. They don't care to develop new things for something that won't make them money.
*BASED*
Then they released the ages of the characters that somehow broke the lore of each and every character.
@@LightTrack- Ah yes, the great and glorious French (and somehow fucking Thanos skinned, for some reason) combo of "Totally didn't rip off the Sniper Rifle from TF2" Windowlicking Weirdo with "Totally not the grapplehook from MannUp mode", Widowmaker.
Blizzard and Activision chose money in the short term by cutting corners, cancelling large sections if not all of the sequel and re structing the store to put the fear of FOMO in players, rather than money in the long run by putting time and effort to develop a genuine sequel. Genuinely sad because it could have had such a good PVE mode and because of its already deep lore it could have even expanded into multiple series revolved around certain heros. Actually get sad thinking about what they could have done with such marketable and popular IP and comparing it to what they gave us😞
Fun fact: That Hanzo/Genji cinematic had the OG Mortal Kombat movie's Shang Tsung narrate it. Was kind of icing on the cake for a mind-blowing cinematic. Also, the role queue is what made me walk away from the game; I had liked it since beta & that just killed it for me.
They're threatend by Marvel Rivals
Good thing Rivals is a wake up call for Blizzard to step it up and actual fix a broken game with terrible systems.
@@HawkknightXC88a wake up call which will likely be ignored
@@Lusk1993they won’t be able to ignore it depending on how it does
@@maddog_27blizzard will still find a way to fail
Now I wish blizzard would kickstart the justification of the 2 in Overwatch 2. Imagine Rivals releases a PVE with skill trees and shit and does super well
Thank you for being a part of destiny Content. I never thought this could happen but please keep doing it. You are a level headed person and someone like you giving his opinion is important not only for the U.S.A but also EU. That is why Actman is so awesome
I find it so funny how Concord was so unoriginal with its characters designs that people just referred to every character as their “Overwatch Counterpart”.
If there’s a single few things Overwatch still nails is the character designs
Totally agree and rule34 know this too 😂
I mean this already kinda happened with Tf2 and overwatch, I reckon if Tf2 was more popular than it was when ow released people would've reffered to zarya as heavy or junkrat as demoman
I mean they just look allround worse than the overwatch chars aswell, imo the entire game is just a worse version if overwatch espically considering its gameplay and even seeing this such as the ranked mode, like its a complete joke tbh
@@Moter. that did not happen, Weird tf2 glazer. We get it a game is your entire personality keep it to yourself please 🙏
Also zarya is nothing like heavy (gameplay likes and looks) same with Junkrat.
I disagree, Kiriko, Lifeweaver, Illari, Soujorn, Venture etc.. all lame designs, the "lore" is stupid. Kiriko worked with the scummy audience who jerks off to cartoons, but her "arrogant brat" personality is so unlikable, she uses magic in a sci-fi setting lol But to give them credit, Juno looks amazing, shockingly balanced, Juno feels like the early years of Overwatch
4:53 goosebumps
Man... shitty monetisation to cancelled PvE
How the mighty has fallen
Oh god this aged perfectly with overwatch 2 classic...
"It would make Overwatch 2 a pointless sequel." - In my eyes, Overwatch 2 *IS* a pointless sequel. I tried it a bit in the beginning, and I didn't feel that it made any changes at all apart from "forcing" the meta to be 5v5 instead of 6v6, which they could've just done in OW1.
As soon as they announced the cancellation of PvE mode was the moment I felt that OW2 was/is a scam.
A quick correction: There have been Role Queue AND Open Queue for both quick and competitive play, but they stopped balancing the game around open queue so any changes to role queue would also effect open queue. This doesn't change the entire message of the video, but you were talking about this when it already exists.
It's beyond disingenuous when that blog post says "when we went to 5v5 queue times were much shorter" as if 5v5 was the sole reason and not, y'know, being FREE TO PLAY as opposed to costing 40€ or 60€ it you're on console. Like, come the fuck on man.
One of the devs in charge of the matchmaking already talked about this after the blog. They said if OW1 had gotten more updates and was free with 6v6 that would've helped with queue times, but it wouldn't have been the improvement needed to fix the queue time problem. Basically, 5v5 was the only answer they had based on their data and how people played the game.
@@Nikoemmp their data cost them the very player base they were trying to preserve
@@azzy9293 I dunno man. I’d rather have 10 sec queue times on quick play than the 5mins it used to be before. No balance or format change matters if the queue times are high.
A near infinite playerbase means nothing when none of those players are playing tanks. The ratio of players in each role determines how fast games start, not how many players there are total
@@aaronb6878almost like the problem is roll queue like Actman said
To be completely honest, reading through many of the comments, many of you have the wrong impression about what happened to Ow and how it became so bad. I've played throughout the entire games lifespans, and have kept all with ALL of the drama the game and the company has had relating to this game, and even not relating to Ow but still impacted it. There is just SO MUCH stuff that's happened that have made this game distasteful to everyone. From queue times, cheaters, toxicity, 5v5 vs 6v6, patch notes, hero fantasy, Brig, GOATS, old vs new hero designs, Ow League, Hong Kong stuff, Bobby Kotich, sexual harrasment, different ideas for the games future and how unprepared the devs where (tbf they all came in from WoW, not exactly a great fps background there), all the lies, big promises, lootboxes, battlepass and expensive skins, pve, pve locked behind a pay wall for minimal content, powercreep and SO, SO much more that making an entire exhausted list of all the things that has led to today's day would be insane.
In sumary: Overall, most damaging thing they've probably done was cancel pve lol.
I think you hit the nail right on the head, also if you are someone who was playing during overwatch one what do you think of role queue? I think anyone who played during open queue would know that dealing with people who would only choose DPS creating stacks like 1-4-1 or even 0-5-1 was horrible, then came the creation of the GOATS meta which if you didn’t copy you would easily get crushed by, honestly I think it was a bad idea giving players the responsibility to choose adequate roles for the match,
The worst part of all of this is the same geniuses at blizzard that demanded overwatch 2 probably still have their jobs
I wish we lived in a world where the actual creative minds got to be the ones in control of their creative output.
I will play the devil advocate, most likely this PvE expansion was planned by the own devs. Overwatch players had a weird fixation with Jeff Kaplan (or whatever you spell his name), the dude had superficial "nerdy" charisma and that hooked people somehow, but he was always a horrendous director. Day 1 Brigitte, I don't need to say anything else... so, I think they had this "story mode" planned, the producers and executives considered that a good opportunity to move on to free to play model and the rest is history... a really ugly history, Jeff was a terrible director, the current director is also awful, this is the achilles heel of Overwatch: misguided direction ruined a golden goose
The 2 in its name is the most pointless change ever since we were getting a worse live service monetisations format, cancelled promises, chaotic 6v6 to a boring 5v5, more maps removed, poorly priced skins… etc.
And also does anyone felt like we lost the souls what makes Overwatch? Cinematic animation & music were lessen to incorporate crossover collaborations. Like it’s not the same game you once loved to play.
The only reason I was excited for Overwatch was the promised Story Mode
Then that was scrapped
It was at THAT point I wondered what the point of it was in the first place
The problem with making different queues for any particular preference is that it makes matchmaking take *FAR* longer, especially for the game modes and options which are the most niche. If nobody wants to play open queue because they're tired of playing on a team with 6 DPS, even though they themselves refused to queue as anything but DPS, the queue will just become an eternal waiting room.
Yeah people act like 6 v 6 will save the game but all it will lead to is 5+ minutes to get into a game.
@@Mrz-bq2yb It's been a minute since I've played OW, but I thought 5 minute queues were the norm now. The problem is, the queues will always be long because nobody wants to queue flex, and as long as the queues pop fast, there's no incentive to queue flex. If they made the format 10 DPS to 1 support and 1 tank, they might actually get a team comp which matches the preferences of the actual player base.
Yet the queues were fine in OW 1 :/
Perhaps the decision makers should've thought long and hard about things they removed /overwrote which worked and then not lose a ton of their playerbase.
@@Jizzlewobbwtfcus You are on drugs. The queue for DPS was, every time I logged on, between 15 and 30 minutes.
@@AaronMichaelLong 15-30 minutes? Were you playing in a mud hut in Africa or something?
Used to be a diehard tank main in Overwatch ever since beta. OW2 has caused me to completely put the game down and honestly I haven’t played for months. Being the only tank on the team can be fun at times but is frustrating at most. The pressure, the counterswap meta, the constant “tank diffs”, creates an experience I cannot recommend for anyone especially competitively. The underlying fact is OW2 is the single worst case of greed and a lack of competence I’ve ever seen in a triple A game. It feels soulless , uninspired and funny enough has removed more meaningful features than it’s added. Tell me in what way was the removal of player borders good for the game? Or the after game match cards? Or the real time endorsement system? All of it simply idiotic and it goes to show the lengths a company will go to completely milk all joy out of a product in pursuit of profit. So with marvel rivals coming up, I honestly can’t think of a reason as to why long standing dedicated players shouldn’t jump ship.
They had a gold mine of a licence and swrew it up.... It still baffles me how they threw everything out of the window...
All they hadd to do is making a TV show like Arcane, add new maps, new gamemodes and ppl would loose their mind.
Adding a campaign is a request players had since day 1.
It's funny you mention players dealing with the bullshit of Battlestate games.
The moment they announced the unheard edition I stopped playing, uninstalled, and never booted it back up. I will never ever play that game ever again.
They may already have the money I spent on that game in 2017, but I will not be adding to the player base.
good on ya
thank you
From the moment 5v5, free to play, with a BP, and a store I knew it was over. They killed the game for 4 years and used the fact that the game was dying to make a "new" game.
The fact Aaron came on to the Group Up podcast talked to SVB and Flats and they are not shying away from this conversation that has been going on because of the state of tanks says something more then other devs.
This!! Seeing no one giving credit to the fact that they did that is sad
I know other people have commented this already but he ignored the fact that in the blog post it blatantly talks about how they introduced open queue as well as role queue. As well as that open queue is god awful and unbalanced as hell it is entirely dependant on if you most likely have 5 dps players who can't play the other roles and just losing other than that great video
Open queue ranked only came in about a year after role queue was added, so in between that period there was no competitive open queue option. During this period, Blizzard hid the open queue mode behind an arcade option (Quick Play Classic) and ran the Overwatch League in the role queue format, and so role queue became the only mode where balance was addressed. Of course open queue is unbalanced now because the developers are only concerned with balancing within the limitations of role queue.
Also I've been playing since 2017, support player playing open queue exclusively till today, and honestly I'm not concerned about the number of tanks/dps/support on my team so long as it works, because the charm of Overwatch is between hero to hero interactions, and that element isn't tied to roles.
@zanbot6842 I've been playing overwatch since it came out and while I enjoy open queue every now and then I don't think it should ever become the main game mode again as the devs find it hard enough to balance role queue let alone open queue. Also, I am interested in the new hybrid queue system, the devs hinted at in the blog post.
Holy shit perfect video to watch on break
You’re right that all the updates they made could’ve been just changes in the original game. I think their reasoning was that the player base had declined so much by that point that a “big update” wouldn’t be enough to pull people back in. Which is fair I suppose, but it doesn’t erase the fact that this game was horribly mismanaged and failed to deliver on almost all of its promises. I’m glad the new dev team is trying to fix it, but it feels too little too late
12:22 does blizzard know the reason double shield happened was because they abandoned their game to make a “sequel”
I would have been so easy for Blizzard to do what Riot did and release a tv show to keep people hooked with the story. But they never cared from the start even when it was clear a huge chunk of the fanbase was only there for the story.
Yeah, especially with all of the lore and character info we don't even know about that would have been made for the MMO it was originally supposed to be. So much potential just flushed down the drain.
Okay bro it's not easy making a show like that, you talk about arcane and that show took like a decade to make.
@@thechugg4372 Arcane took so long to make because they were working with an entirely new art style and the approval pipeline at Riot took ages to approve any of the story beats. In two years Overwatch will be 10 years old. A TV series could have been announced by now if Blizzard had any interest in making one.
Why would you care about story in a pvp game lol
@@PhoenixSaturnthat’s a huge risk. Honestly would’ve hurt more at the time. Imagine not getting anything promised by blizzard but then they shit out a tv show. People’s woo o ups literally be like “who asked for this?”
0:23 Kid named finger
Shame
Walter
This popped up as the "featured" comment around the exact timestamp, yet I had to scroll a couple hundred comments down to see it and respond.
Waltuh.
NO HALF MEASURES WALTUH
Waaltor
You guys seen that picture of Mcdonalds when were kids vs Adults?
Thats how i feel about OW2, it's less colorful, less vibrant, less inviting, poorer interface and more bland UI.
It's quite literally inferior in every imaginable way in my opinion.
You unfortunately cannot go back to OG Overwatch and have it be fun.
Fundamentally, for all PvP shooters, if you’re not playing the game on day one with the same playing field, you will get stomped by sweats full stop.
After the first few months, the meta is set and all fun is min/maxed out of it.
Now if you’re competitively minded, it’s a haven. For anyone else, it’s a slog and fundamentally unfun to get stomped for 5 games in a row to maybe eek out a win when you’re average skill level.
Overwatch die with Jeff Kaplan from Overwatch team
If he go down, he take with Blizzard with him
Wrestle with Jeff
Prepare for death
I play OW2 about 8-12 hours every week with my Girlfriend. Most of the time it is still very enjoyable. IMO the biggest drawback between 6v6band 5v5 is the agency in each individual match. The games seem much more one sided in 5v5 due to the ease of counter picking Tanks. I loved playing tank in 6v6 but now it truly feels like a burdon.
You also had an offtank you help you out , I liked that synergy. Now you're alone and you get counter picked and you die so you have to change the tank even more ... making it even more frustrating to play.
@@bon3scrush3r I was a tank main in Overwatch 1. I mostly preferred to play Roadhog, but if need be I'd pick Rein or something. (I was no one-trick.)
It was always fun to join a game and see what the other tank would do. Often they'd instalock Rein or some other main-tank and I'd get to go "Ooh, I get to do my favorite thing now :D" and play Roadhog. Other times they instalock Roadhog or some other off-tank and I'd get to be like "Ooh, I rarely play main tank. I guess we'll give Rein a shot this game" and no matter what I'd always have fun because I thought playing tank was fun.
And then Overwatch 2 took my whole gameplay experience and tossed it in the trash, all so DPS players only had to wait 4 minutes for a game instead of 7.
All I'm saying is that, if wait times for DPS players are so high because there are so many of them, maybe that has something to do with there being MANY more DPS heroes than tanks or supports. And maybe, MAYBE, the solution could have been a mix between more tank/support heroes AND making the game 7v7, so that way each game had two more DPS players, and then giving certain buffs to certain heroes as needed to survive a 3 DPS landscape. But noooo, destroy all the fun that the least-played role had. Sure.
@@bon3scrush3r And the enemy also had an offtank to help mitigate that help you were getting.
Live service is killing gaming. STOP supporting live service, ALL OF IT. It is an unsustainable business model. Support for them is support for the over-monetization of gaming. You get the gaming landscape you deserve.
Helldivers 2, Deep Rock Galactic
@@linknanami Good games attached to a cancerous business model, what's your point? Live service needs to go regardless.
It's another case of "we are going to completely base our decisions on the sweaty pro scene" and that is not how 99% of people want to play.
Overwatch was fun at release with ridiculous busted abilities and no role queue. I do not want to sweat, I want to have fun.
I now play zero multiplayer shooters except occasionally TF2 because of hacking and sweat-focused balance decisions.
Preemptively adapting is such a goofy tactic, but it fits with what Blizzard has been doing. A bunch of suits sitting in an office going "Oh shit! Look at what they're doing!"
I don’t get it. Are you a Japanese
Blizzard was the beat company for me .. I played WC 2/3, SC 1/2, Diablo, WoW .. ever since WarCraft 3 refunded showed up, I canceled my subscription, deleted the client, my account is no longer active either. They did their best to turn me down, and I was a loyal fan and client since 2004.
My friend and i never got over the betrayal when they shut down overwatch 1 to try and force everyone to go to their over-monetized crap.
We never touched it. There are too many better games to play that respect my money and time.
The fix for a lot of the issues with 6v6 was there from the start with open queue. Sure, more organized games is great for consistency but I was fine being the only tank on a team of 5 dps sometimes. It's why the game was fun for me tbh. I had agency to carry games with more than just skill. I could flex and babysit to win games too. The chaos was fun. Am I alone in this way of thinking? I really thought the only necessary change was making it so you can't have more than 1 of the same hero on each team. After that they were listening to their audience more than they should have. What they should do imo is go back to open queue but make it so that you can have you can't have more than 3 of any role in a game. That solves the queue issue and also make games more consistent while keeping the game mostly open. If they add hero bans on top of this then that solves issues like goats.
I used to play nothing but tank in comp during OW1. Now its unplayable. It feels terrible for every class, but especially tank. If you do good, the enemy team chooses new heroes to counter you, forcing you to either lose or swap heroes. Its nonstop hero swapping to counter the enemy tank, as the tank tries to keep switching to prevent from being at a disadvantage.
No, you're not alone. Instead of a fun game, we have a game where the developers impose their vision on how EVERY match should be played. Maybe they should have just limited the tank role to one to avoid a lot of stalemates.
The funny thing is 6v6 can be solved. It's just by that time, they just killed the game and the other roles were not getting content. Orisa rework could of been good in that format. New tanks we got would of solve it.
@@pippo17173exactly people forget ow1 only had 8 tanks and the game was abandoned for 3 years and there was cc plus stuns everywhere for the tanks to deal with but now? We have 12 tanks and we are getting the 13th tank this December so already tanks will be even more fun In a 6v6 format
@@kingclampz6081 also to add, brig and bap are the real culprits for causing people to hate tanks when they manage to keep them alive for so damn long.
Those cinematics were so pristine like why did they stop man i loved every single one of them
because they put way more resources into the actual game now
@@Grizzy6122JAJAJAJA
@@jacksonville9642 it’s true lol, just look at the comparative update cadence
@@Grizzy6122 yes, yes for sure
@@jacksonville9642 it’s objectively true, you can’t actually back up anything you say so you just say that
I think only dps players don’t like role queue. I hated being the only support or tank player every match.
As usual, great video!
yes it was fuck blizzard
They can open it back to 6v6 (because they cant balance tanks) but its still going to be plagued by awful balancing decisions like the entire implementation of hindered
PS: This coming after the god awful HP change is hilarious
Nobody's playing tank, what should we do?
Reduce the tanks needed for games!
Aaaand suddenly any tank that has a direct counter became useless.
@@smeegy1tbf no tank hard counters another besides Mauga. The dps and supports are the ones that can stop tanks from playing the game
Not only the HP changes, the hitbox lol it's hilarious, Ashe and McCree hitting phantom headshots. That failed spectacularly, proving how this dev team had no idea how to balance the lone tank. And yes, they will struggle to balance 6v6, just like the previous team lead by Jeff (day 1 Brigitte was sin against humanity). It's a pointless endeavor because people will jump to Marvel Rivals anyway, I am willing to bet Overwatch will lose half of their playerbase in the first months, the poor little Paladins will be erased from existence. Overwatch is only alive because there was no direct competition, not even at the double A level. Now here it comes nextgen triple A hero shooter based on the Marvel IP, good luck competing with this monster
@@smeegy1 and off tanks just... can't tank alone... because they were meant to be ... off fkg tanks................. 😑
Patrolling the mines of Hoxes IV almost makes you wish for a “why is deep rock galactic so awesome!?” Video by the act man. Can I get a rock and stone!?
ROCK! AND! STONE!
FAKARL!
IF YOU DON'T ROCK AND STONE, YOU AIN'T COMING HOME!
Role Queue isn't the problem. The monetization overhaul to milk players and scrapped PvE was the problem that left many people disillusioned enough to quit. For the latter half of 2023 I did quit, then I came back in early 2024. Role Queue improved the quality of games more than any other addition. The longest queue times in Quick Play aren't for DPS anymore, it's for Support. Meanwhile if you play Open Queue you get stuck with toxic DPS/Tank players forcing someone to capitulate being Mercy. Before Role Queue I could instalock a Tank like Reinhardt or Winston on the map Gibraltar, rush out to the first choke on defense, then notice as time was ticking down that not one of my idiot teammates bothered to pick a support. This is humiliating and awful.
If everyone wasn't selfish and just queued for all roles -- which the daily challenges encourage -- everyone would be better off. I queue for all roles at least 3 times each day I play and get Tank 70-80% of the time. I do it more to get the 20/20 weekly challenge. Haven't gotten support in months.
Bruh i legit heard /believe that they knew pve was goint to be cancelled and instead of telling us about it.. they just stayed quiet and told us a few months after the release of ow2... Legit no good faith left i mean they JUST got rid of bobby not that long ago and the smell still lingering....
The revealed the cancellation of PvE in a sneaky way, that was horrendous PR, the worst kind. Make it seems like the Overwatch "2" trailers are examples of false advertisement, a scam. I don't think it was really that severe, they simply miscalculated their reach (as usual, Overwatch struggles with awful direction since day 1)... but like I said, when you act in a sneaky way, that generates a bad stench regardless
I think people forgot just how bad it can get in open queue unless you had a full stack or 5 grouped in OW1. And dont forget they didnt allow GMs to go pass a duo squad. Before role queue people would argue and complain about only 1 tank or 1 support (Possibly neither as well) and just ruin rank games. But with role queue, you avoid that entirely.
had enough moments of 5 dps and me as solo support to like role queue even if that made problems with finding matches. even had a 5 stack that went 5 dps that couldn't push through choke and acted as if they aren't to blame
I doubt he is talking about ranked. Ranked isnt even the issue either, because role queues make better sense there. Casual matchmaking adding forced role queue and class selection caps just added fucking lame layers to the game the casual person doesnt want to worry about. I remember when they added those and its precisely when the game wasnt as enjoyable to play.
@@gesi7072roles q allows you to pick DPS and dont listen "YOU ARE SUPPORT PLAYER GIVE ME GENJI AND PICK MERCY!" every single time
@@gesi7072roles q allows you to pick DPS and dont listen "YOU ARE SUPPORT PLAYER GIVE ME GENJI AND PICK MERCY!" every single time
I know this joke has been made a million times but....
It's not Overwatch 2, it's Overwatch 1.5
If the gamer literally replaces the original it's not a sequel. Hell, I still wish I could play the original. I don't even give a shit about 5v5 or 6v6
Calling it 1.5 is still a disrespect to the original game, this bs is OW 0.5. I'll admit I stopped playing for years because I was using a potato PC at the time, but I was still into the story and was going to come back whenever the PVE Story game mode is finished... which got cancelled after years of waiting :). Then my favorite playstyle in PVP (off tank) got deleted thanks to the change from 6v6 to 5v5!
Screw you blizzard, never touching another game from them again.
the old game was Overwatch, and this is Overwatch, too!!