This is some amazing shit! We should all be deeply grateful that things like exist -- there will NEVER be another Coltrane and any example of his work is priceless. And it's definitely Philly Joe Jones. Trane wasn't working with Elvin during this time -- Philly JJ was his go to drummer.
Great clip, glad I stumbled on it. Trane is one of the a very few artist that you can tell in one note like Miles. I feel an Elvin like presence in this clip... here is what I think. Trane had reel to reel recorders he practiced with. They were sitting in a hotel room on the road somewhere and just got high. They were having a drink and Trane hit the record and picked up his horn. Listen to how laid back the groove is. Cats was wasted hahahaha...
Thanks for posting this, which is an excellent five-minute insight into the artist's process. As for the comments made by some of the viewers . . . thanks for putting up with hypersensitive people who are best left ignored.
Many drummers used to play in telephone books with brushes and this is very clearly a pair of brushes here, playing in a telephone book. You can hear typical snare drum rudiments / phrases AND the ghost notes in between, something that could be reproduced much better by a pair of brushes. Elvin Jones learned by playing in telephone books with his brother, as well as many, many other ones.
@musikaudios You are soo right, people are clueless these days to anything that's not packaged & sold in stores. Practically anything that's not fragile can be a percussive instrument! These guys played horns that were held together with rubberbands and they STILL sound like gold.
Guys, Coltrane is playing the head to Four in the beginning. This is probably from the Workin With The Miles Davis Quintet session, given that the recording is also in 1956
Yes, that´s it, a phone book, it is very clear that he is playing on a phone book. Many jazz drummers used to practice on these types of surfaces, specially when they were in a small room and there were no drum-sets.
@Flextones Yes it is the theme '' Four '' AND they are trading fours too. The '' someone '' is not only keeping time behind him, but also is improvising too. Last thing, a '' percussion instrument '' sometimes could be something very simple, like a Telephone Book ( Elvin Jones´s brother for example used to teach him how to improvise and/or acompany other players only in Telephone Lists ).
YEAH I HAD HEARD ABOUT PHILLY JOE PLAYING ON A BOX OR A CHAIR BEFORE. ONE OF THE GREATEST DRUMMERS, WHEN HE PLAYED WITH MILES EVERY DRUMMER I KNEW TRYED TO PLAY LIKE HIM.
Tinges of Stan Getz in there at times. This is amazing audio, and so different than Trane was playing 10 years later. Its too bad these guys didn't record more of their practice sessions!
@musikaudios You TH-cam criticizers you pay too much attention on details to correct them instead of simply enjoy the deepness of music. Man, it is SO SIMPLE. I only tried to find a title that could fit with what is happening on this ' video ' - or ' audio ' file. Maybe as I am not american and not british my english is not perfect but anyone who cares more about music than to correct titles I bet they enjoyed it a lot ( and still enjoy ) with their not armed souls. Free your mind.
i think that the more i listen to this recording the more one truth stands out. clearly someone recorded a duo between john and a tapper. the sensitivity that john displays is staggering, considering the advancements we tend to associate with him i.e. 'sheets of sound'. i think this is one of the most astounding displays of empathy and humanity that i have ever witnessed. - that in itself convinces me that it's J to the C (also listen to him say 'we're trading fours now' at 1:28) :)
This is definitely Coltrane. Who else would it be? Coltrane is a God. You can hear everything Coltrane and as musikaudios said it's Coltrane during the 50s. Immaculate time, that sweet lush tone, what makes you think it isn't Coltrane?
This is absolutely tap dance inspired phrasing of the percussion. Are there notes with this? Is it Papa Jo Jones? Could also be a tap dancer - Baby Laurence?
It’s sad how many people who think they are familiar with Trane can’t recognize his “musical face” here. Recognizing a musician like Coltrane is a lot like recognizing a human face. No matter what the angle, time of day or age, you know it’s them in an instant. And so it is here. An this is especially evident in subtle nuances that have to this day defied perfect imitation. So cool to hear him like this!
This is in the same bag as he playing in '56, similar to the way he played on Relaxin'... People are just used to his studio sound, which is much more present when there's a designated mic for his horn! Like think how he sounds for a few notes in the very beginning of his solo on (I believe) "If I were a Bell" it's sounds a little distant & dark at first like he was running to the mic! Same sound....
@khaosx12 Of course that is a type of practice. You can call it rehearsal or a jam inside home or anything similar, but that is a practice. It is another musician with him, playing in a surface, like many drummers from the past used to do. About the ' damn picture and the title ' , is it so important comparing to the rarity that this archive is ? Sound is more important. And what you mean by ' impersonate yourself with the pioneers ? '
You are the one who need to listen to Coltrane PRE Miles quintet era, even PRE ' Trane & Monk ' duets ( although it was a quartet, it was a duet ) . Go to listen to Coltrane in Blue Note sessions with other leaders. You can´t suggest as you did to someone to listen to ' ANY ' Coltrane album or live performance because his style changed a lot over the years.
It's absolutely Trane. It'd be a lot easier to imitate his later playing but to be able to pull off an imitation of how he played during his Prestige years, with that time-feel? No way man - this is Trane, nobody has that feel.
@mmorseca Many drummers used to play in telephone books with brushes and this is very clearly a pair of brushes here, playing in a telephone book. You can hear typical snare drum rudiments / phrases AND the ghost notes in between, something that could be reproduced much better by a pair of brushes. Elvin Jones learned by playing in telephone books with his brother, as well as many, many other ones.
@jimSTRATemblin I won´t insist, I have the original of this and I can hear it very loud in a good cd player with good amplifiers and the sound keeps clear. But, if you disagree, ok ...
This sounds, to me, very similar to a track of one of the four albums Coltrane recorded with the Miles Davis Quintet around 1956-1957 (Cooking, Steamin', Working, Relaxing). Not sure which though, but it definitely sounds like it is off one of those albums.
@jovesheerwater Oh God, not this again ... yes the piece is ' Four ' but what he´s doing with the percussionist is called ' trading fours ' in the jazz language. You know what is it ? After around 1 min and 40 seconds they start to trade FOURS. Each one improvises 4 bars.
Not Coltrane phrasing ? This is Coltrane during the 50´s .Listen to Coltrane PRE Miles first quintet era, even PRE ' Trane & Monk ' duets ( although it was a quartet, it was a duet ) and Blue Note sessions with other leaders.
this is hank mobley. JK. this IS john coltrane. if you you're still not sure, forget about the saxophone playing (which i feel evolved over a span of time and consistently reflected various states of inebriation) and, listen closely to the individual who 'count's in' the 'jam session' and reference any interview you can find
He begins practicing his trading fours with a drummer (his feet) at 1:40, as clearly indicated by the video description. If you had bothered listening to the video, you would have known this. Good grief.
For example, as a paralell, if I publish any Elvin´s performance from the 50´s, few people would be able to recognize him because that unique Elvin´s style that started to be very clearly and easily recognizable was very different before that.
musikaudios tudo bom? Que maravilha poder ouvir esse audio! Vi num post que vc é brasileiro. Assim como todos, sou um grande admirador desse ícone da música. Vc teria como me dizer quem foram as pessoas q tiveram acesso e q te passaram esse audio? Estou no Canada fazendo doutorado em música, sou saxofonista profissional e minha tese diz respeito sobre a prática da improvisação no saxofone sem acompanhamento a partir de uma harmonia pré-estabelecida. Seria muito interessante utilizar esse audio para ilustrar a prática sem acompanhamento, ainda mais vindo do Coltrane :) Gde abraço!
Oi Tiago, sim sou brasileiro, me chamo Pedro Mendes. Não sei quem teve acesso a esse áudio, eu troquei com um músico. Bom, meu contato está na tela do video, qualquer coisa me escreva ! Abraço
Only one more detail : I didn´t say it IS definetly a telephone book, I said it is something similar to a telephone book ( as other ones here said the same ).
I'm sure this is Elvin Jones! At first I thought it was Philly Joe Jones but I soon recognized that unmistakable beat of the great Elvin Jones and then listening to his groans when sharing 4 bars.
Yes, probably Elvin, Ricardo ! Elvin´s groans are unique, specially in live recordings ! And, about the ' sharing 4 bars ' thing, that is exactly what I tried to mean when I wrote ' Trading fours '. As I didn´t know he exact expression in english,I wrote ' trading fours ', I was trying to say ' sharing 4 bars '. Cheers ! Pedro Mendes
Hello Peter! Trading four bars seems to me pretty good too. What is more meaningful is to confirm that there are still many people with musical sensibility despite the fact that the environment does not look favorable for musicians such as drummers Elvin Jones and, in fact, Edison Machado, his fellow musician from Brazil . To be honest, I do not really appreciate the taste of many drummers nowadays, in spite of their great exploits. Miss that contagious rhythm with such elegance and energy, full of spaces. Therein must be missing the tap dancing, as suggested by SahvannahAmaka.
Grande Ricardo, aqui Pedro Mendes, eu que coloquei também aqueles videos todos do Machado, onde vc aparece em um inclusive, também coloquei aqueles áudios como do ao vivo do Agostinho dos Santos, o ' Boa Nova ' projeto do Machado, o ' Turma da Gafieira ' e outras raridades. Legal que estamos conversando em inglês, e legal saber que ficou ok o ' trading four bars ', eu realmente nunca soube como exatamente os músicos gringos chamam isso, por isso, traduzi como entendi. Quando eu for tocar no assunto do Coltrane e no outro que vc tocou, dos bateristas mais atuais e o assunto desse video áudio especificamente, voltarei ao inglês, assim os outros podem ler e participar dessa discussão; aliás, essa discussão parece interminável, se você ler com paciência as postagens mais antigas verá que um monte de gente acha que o som percussivo que está ' trading fours ' com o Coltrane vem de um sapateador. Muitos acham que é um batera. Pra mim é claramente o Elvin e tocando num tipo de lista telefônica ou talvez em alguma outra superfície similar. Pode ser num quarto de hotel, os caras praticando antes de alguma gig, sei lá ... e o pior é que se vc olhar as diversas outras postagens, verá que tem alguns caras que dizem que nem é o Coltrane aí ...
Ricardo dos Santos Grande Ricardo, aqui Pedro Mendes, eu que coloquei também aqueles videos todos do Machado, onde vc aparece em um inclusive, também coloquei aqueles áudios como do ao vivo do Agostinho dos Santos, o ' Boa Nova ' projeto do Machado, o ' Turma da Gafieira ' e outras raridades. Legal que estamos conversando em inglês, e legal saber que ficou ok o ' trading four bars ', eu realmente nunca soube como exatamente os músicos gringos chamam isso, por isso, traduzi como entendi. Quando eu for tocar no assunto do Coltrane e no outro que vc tocou, dos bateristas mais atuais e o assunto desse video áudio especificamente, voltarei ao inglês, assim os outros podem ler e participar dessa discussão; aliás, essa discussão parece interminável, se você ler com paciência as postagens mais antigas verá que um monte de gente acha que o som percussivo que está ' trading fours ' com o Coltrane vem de um sapateador. Muitos acham que é um batera. Pra mim é claramente o Elvin e tocando num tipo de lista telefônica ou talvez em alguma outra superfície similar. Pode ser num quarto de hotel, os caras praticando antes de alguma gig, sei lá ... e o pior é que se vc olhar as diversas outras postagens, verá que tem alguns caras que dizem que nem é o Coltrane aí ...
@jovesheerwater I didn´t understand anything you wrote. I am brazilian and I don´t understand what you said. The only thing I know is that you first came to this video to correct what I wrote as a title. So I need to tell everyone who corrects the title that they ARE trading fours. And they are doing that as some sort of practice. It is not a live gig and it´s not a studio sessions, recording session. Again : you call it a rehearsal, a practicing or anything similar to that.
@whitehotmagazine You need to listen to more brushes sounds, on snares or in books / magazines. I have the original of this here, it is almost 7 mins long and I can listen loud and realize the ' ghost notes ' of a typical brush stick sound.
@busterbrownation Why the conversation almost never takes a more simple and musical direction ? It is waiste of time trying to judge any person only through words written in a cold screen.
There’s always something that comes along that makes you realize Coltrane is even better than what you already thought
This is some amazing shit! We should all be deeply grateful that things like exist -- there will NEVER be another Coltrane and any example of his work is priceless. And it's definitely Philly Joe Jones. Trane wasn't working with Elvin during this time -- Philly JJ was his go to drummer.
Coltrane's horn sounds so beautiful when he plays soft like here.
Søren Siegumfeldt 100% agree, nuanced and beautiful
Am now listening to "The Gentle Side Of Trane", on CD. It's smooth and tasteful.
this is such an awesome rare thing to hear....
Great clip, glad I stumbled on it. Trane is one of the a very few artist that you can tell in one note like Miles. I feel an Elvin like presence in this clip... here is what I think. Trane had reel to reel recorders he practiced with. They were sitting in a hotel room on the road somewhere and just got high. They were having a drink and Trane hit the record and picked up his horn. Listen to how laid back the groove is. Cats was wasted hahahaha...
Pozdrawiam..jestem amatorem...
Z przyjemnoscia slucha sie tego grania. Saxofon ..barwa..tempo. itd..co mam powiedziec...dziekuje mu za to
amazing time and feel in his playing. He grooves!
How do you can say that isn't John...his sound is absolutely inimitable
In 2021 there is this kid ..he clone coltrane
sound, phrases, timing...
This is a great piece of music with historical significance, as with anything associated with John Coltrane. Thanks for posting this!!
very nice. I especially liked Coltrane's playing during this time period.
Great Phrasing........Playing with his HEart......balance technique and soul.....unlike a lot of other cats
holy shit! I can't believe I never heard this before! pure gold!
Thanks for posting this, which is an excellent five-minute insight into the artist's process. As for the comments made by some of the viewers . . . thanks for putting up with hypersensitive people who are best left ignored.
Many drummers used to play in telephone books with brushes and this is very clearly a pair of brushes here, playing in a telephone book. You can hear typical snare drum rudiments / phrases AND the ghost notes in between, something that could be reproduced much better by a pair of brushes. Elvin Jones learned by playing in telephone books with his brother, as well as many, many other ones.
Could easily also be a tap dancer.
Fantastic!!! Beautiful - Keni
beautiful.
@Bebopopotamus Amen. More people need to think like you. God bless you.
Thanks for posting this, almost certain he's trading with a tap dancer.
Thanks very much for this, Musikaudios.
@musikaudios You are soo right, people are clueless these days to anything that's not packaged & sold in stores. Practically anything that's not fragile can be a percussive instrument! These guys played horns that were held together with rubberbands and they STILL sound like gold.
Guys, Coltrane is playing the head to Four in the beginning. This is probably from the Workin With The Miles Davis Quintet session, given that the recording is also in 1956
@Flextones
This is fantastic and beautiful!!! - Keni
Yes, that´s it, a phone book, it is very clear that he is playing on a phone book. Many jazz drummers used to practice on these types of surfaces, specially when they were in a small room and there were no drum-sets.
Beautiful
@Flextones Yes it is the theme '' Four '' AND they are trading fours too.
The '' someone '' is not only keeping time behind him, but also is improvising too. Last thing, a '' percussion instrument '' sometimes could be something very simple, like a Telephone Book ( Elvin Jones´s brother for example used to teach him how to improvise and/or acompany other players only in Telephone Lists ).
lovely
Definitely PJJ....using all those rudimental Wilcoxon licks.
2:38
Happybday trane
Golden..
YEAH I HAD HEARD ABOUT PHILLY JOE PLAYING ON A BOX OR A CHAIR BEFORE. ONE OF THE GREATEST DRUMMERS, WHEN HE PLAYED WITH MILES EVERY DRUMMER I KNEW TRYED TO PLAY LIKE HIM.
@musikaudios It was Philly Joe Jones, on a phone book.
❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥
Tinges of Stan Getz in there at times. This is amazing audio, and so different than Trane was playing 10 years later. Its too bad these guys didn't record more of their practice sessions!
Nothing at all of Getz. Getz lines totally different it is the changes on tune you hear
@@citypulse922 I think he meant the sound, of which there are similarities, because of their mutual influences.
Love the lick in 3:30!!!
lol. yeah thats a little gem in there
' Jazz Police Cadets ' - I loved it. They are milions and millions they are everywherese.
@musikaudios You TH-cam criticizers you pay too much attention on details to correct them instead of simply enjoy the deepness of music. Man, it is SO SIMPLE. I only tried to find a title that could fit with what is happening on this ' video ' - or ' audio ' file. Maybe as I am not american and not british my english is not perfect but anyone who cares more about music than to correct titles I bet they enjoyed it a lot ( and still enjoy ) with their not armed souls. Free your mind.
i think that the more i listen to this recording the more one truth stands out.
clearly someone recorded a duo between john and a tapper.
the sensitivity that john displays is staggering, considering the advancements we tend to associate with him i.e. 'sheets of sound'.
i think this is one of the most astounding displays of empathy and humanity that i have ever witnessed.
- that in itself convinces me that it's J to the C
(also listen to him say 'we're trading fours now' at 1:28)
:)
The drummer sounds more like a stepdancer - must be Philly Joe, I would say.
Wow that is so true. I can imagine someone tap dancing
Gerhard Bauer it's absolutely philly joe tap dancing . Good ears!
Thanks for the inner sanctum!!
Wow!
This is definitely Coltrane. Who else would it be? Coltrane is a God. You can hear everything Coltrane and as musikaudios said it's Coltrane during the 50s. Immaculate time, that sweet lush tone, what makes you think it isn't Coltrane?
This is absolutely tap dance inspired phrasing of the percussion. Are there notes with this? Is it Papa Jo Jones? Could also be a tap dancer - Baby Laurence?
This video shows just good Coltrane really was
It’s sad how many people who think they are familiar with Trane can’t recognize his “musical face” here. Recognizing a musician like Coltrane is a lot like recognizing a human face. No matter what the angle, time of day or age, you know it’s them in an instant. And so it is here. An this is especially evident in subtle nuances that have to this day defied perfect imitation. So cool to hear him like this!
TOTAL GROOVE.
This is in the same bag as he playing in '56, similar to the way he played on Relaxin'...
People are just used to his studio sound, which is much more present when there's a designated mic for his horn! Like think how he sounds for a few notes in the very beginning of his solo on (I believe) "If I were a Bell" it's sounds a little distant & dark at first like he was running to the mic! Same sound....
Coltrane and Hendrix luv em both icons of their instruments.....
@khaosx12 Of course that is a type of practice. You can call it rehearsal or a jam inside home or anything similar, but that is a practice. It is another musician with him, playing in a surface, like many drummers from the past used to do. About the ' damn picture and the title ' , is it so important comparing to the rarity that this archive is ? Sound is more important. And what you mean by ' impersonate yourself with the pioneers ? '
You are the one who need to listen to Coltrane PRE Miles quintet era, even PRE ' Trane & Monk ' duets ( although it was a quartet, it was a duet ) . Go to listen to Coltrane in Blue Note sessions with other leaders. You can´t suggest as you did to someone to listen to ' ANY ' Coltrane album or live performance because his style changed a lot over the years.
@musikaudios not practicing Four? THough he does trade fours later on...
It's absolutely Trane. It'd be a lot easier to imitate his later playing but to be able to pull off an imitation of how he played during his Prestige years, with that time-feel? No way man - this is Trane, nobody has that feel.
@mmorseca Many drummers used to play in telephone books with brushes and this is very clearly a pair of brushes here, playing in a telephone book. You can hear typical snare drum rudiments / phrases AND the ghost notes in between, something that could be reproduced much better by a pair of brushes. Elvin Jones learned by playing in telephone books with his brother, as well as many, many other ones.
@jimSTRATemblin I won´t insist, I have the original of this and I can hear it very loud in a good cd player with good amplifiers and the sound keeps clear. But, if you disagree, ok ...
It's somebody tap-dancing, folks!
This sounds, to me, very similar to a track of one of the four albums Coltrane recorded with the Miles Davis Quintet around 1956-1957 (Cooking, Steamin', Working, Relaxing).
Not sure which though, but it definitely sounds like it is off one of those albums.
This standard is called Four
When Trane says: "...trade fours." that's his voice (not that it isn't obvious that it's him playing tenor).
what is it about coltrane that makes me want to get my lazy ass off a computer and jam every time i hear him?
@Bebopopotamus Agreed!
@jovesheerwater Oh God, not this again ... yes the piece is ' Four ' but what he´s doing with the percussionist is called ' trading fours ' in the jazz language. You know what is it ? After around 1 min and 40 seconds they start to trade FOURS. Each one improvises 4 bars.
does anyone know who the tapper is?
human music beats the shit out of auto tune :)
@docolli Yes, that´s it, very simple.
yeah
@busterbrownation None taken. I did thank the uploader for sharing. Very few people do that. 'Ironic'????? Suggest you look up definition.
Not Coltrane phrasing ? This is Coltrane during the 50´s .Listen to Coltrane PRE Miles first quintet era, even PRE ' Trane & Monk ' duets ( although it was a quartet, it was a duet ) and Blue Note sessions with other leaders.
If you listen for example to Jimmy Woode ' Conflict ' album you will see a different Elvin Jones.
This is great. i don't know where you got this tho....?
but thanks for posting
Didn't the Yellowjackets use auto tuning on one of their recent albums?....
P.S I agree with you ;D
this is hank mobley.
JK.
this IS john coltrane.
if you you're still not sure,
forget about the saxophone playing
(which i feel evolved over a span of time and consistently reflected various states of inebriation) and,
listen closely to the individual who 'count's in' the 'jam session' and reference any interview you can find
People that only know the later Coltrane forget how great he was on tenor .
no
Huh? Lol if you only know later trane you would still understand how great he was on the tenor
listen to how john is able to slowly elevate the tapper's phrasing
He begins practicing his trading fours with a drummer (his feet) at 1:40, as clearly indicated by the video description. If you had bothered listening to the video, you would have known this. Good grief.
it is indeed! nice ears... philly joe on chair :-) he could swing with anything!
What’s trading fours
Sure is him
For example, as a paralell, if I publish any Elvin´s performance from the 50´s, few people would be able to recognize him because that unique Elvin´s style that started to be very clearly and easily recognizable was very different before that.
He’s doing a lot of Charlie Parker licks. Especially at the beginning.
@musikaudios sounds like he's practicing Four, then trades fours.
musikaudios tudo bom? Que maravilha poder ouvir esse audio! Vi num post que vc é brasileiro. Assim como todos, sou um grande admirador desse ícone da música. Vc teria como me dizer quem foram as pessoas q tiveram acesso e q te passaram esse audio? Estou no Canada fazendo doutorado em música, sou saxofonista profissional e minha tese diz respeito sobre a prática da improvisação no saxofone sem acompanhamento a partir de uma harmonia pré-estabelecida. Seria muito interessante utilizar esse audio para ilustrar a prática sem acompanhamento, ainda mais vindo do Coltrane :) Gde abraço!
Oi Tiago, sim sou brasileiro, me chamo Pedro Mendes. Não sei quem teve acesso a esse áudio, eu troquei com um músico. Bom, meu contato está na tela do video, qualquer coisa me escreva ! Abraço
@Dmila220 ???
@savealifemusic2 Sorry I contributed to your favorite videos list.
Trading fourS, yes.
Only one more detail : I didn´t say it IS definetly a telephone book, I said it is something similar to a telephone book ( as other ones here said the same ).
@jazzflutist lol don't why but that made me laugh kinda hard
You need to ask to Trane and Philly ...
If this isnt Train that I dont know how to spot train anymore or this is a complete clone. This is a incredible thing to hear.
What's the tune he plays in the beginning
And it's the tune he plays on the entire clip. The rest of the time he is improvising over the chord structure of the song.
I'm sure this is Elvin Jones! At first I thought it was Philly Joe Jones but I soon recognized that unmistakable beat of the great Elvin Jones and then listening to his groans when sharing 4 bars.
Yes, probably Elvin, Ricardo ! Elvin´s groans are unique, specially in live recordings ! And, about the ' sharing 4 bars ' thing, that is exactly what I tried to mean when I wrote ' Trading fours '. As I didn´t know he exact expression in english,I wrote ' trading fours ', I was trying to say ' sharing 4 bars '. Cheers ! Pedro Mendes
Hello Peter! Trading four bars seems to me pretty good too. What is more meaningful is to confirm that there are still many people with musical sensibility despite the fact that the environment does not look favorable for musicians such as drummers Elvin Jones and, in fact, Edison Machado, his fellow musician from Brazil . To be honest, I do not really appreciate the taste of many drummers nowadays, in spite of their great exploits. Miss that contagious rhythm with such elegance and energy, full of spaces. Therein must be missing the tap dancing, as suggested by SahvannahAmaka.
Grande Ricardo, aqui Pedro Mendes, eu que coloquei também aqueles videos todos do Machado, onde vc aparece em um inclusive, também coloquei aqueles áudios como do ao vivo do Agostinho dos Santos, o ' Boa Nova ' projeto do Machado, o ' Turma da Gafieira ' e outras raridades. Legal que estamos conversando em inglês, e legal saber que ficou ok o ' trading four bars ', eu realmente nunca soube como exatamente os músicos gringos chamam isso, por isso, traduzi como entendi. Quando eu for tocar no assunto do Coltrane e no outro que vc tocou, dos bateristas mais atuais e o assunto desse video áudio especificamente, voltarei ao inglês, assim os outros podem ler e participar dessa discussão; aliás, essa discussão parece interminável, se você ler com paciência as postagens mais antigas verá que um monte de gente acha que o som percussivo que está ' trading fours ' com o Coltrane vem de um sapateador. Muitos acham que é um batera. Pra mim é claramente o Elvin e tocando num tipo de lista telefônica ou talvez em alguma outra superfície similar. Pode ser num quarto de hotel, os caras praticando antes de alguma gig, sei lá ... e o pior é que se vc olhar as diversas outras postagens, verá que tem alguns caras que dizem que nem é o Coltrane aí ...
Ricardo dos Santos Grande Ricardo, aqui Pedro Mendes, eu que coloquei também aqueles videos todos do Machado, onde vc aparece em um inclusive, também coloquei aqueles áudios como do ao vivo do Agostinho dos Santos, o ' Boa Nova ' projeto do Machado, o ' Turma da Gafieira ' e outras raridades. Legal que estamos conversando em inglês, e legal saber que ficou ok o ' trading four bars ', eu realmente nunca soube como exatamente os músicos gringos chamam isso, por isso, traduzi como entendi. Quando eu for tocar no assunto do Coltrane e no outro que vc tocou, dos bateristas mais atuais e o assunto desse video áudio especificamente, voltarei ao inglês, assim os outros podem ler e participar dessa discussão; aliás, essa discussão parece interminável, se você ler com paciência as postagens mais antigas verá que um monte de gente acha que o som percussivo que está ' trading fours ' com o Coltrane vem de um sapateador. Muitos acham que é um batera. Pra mim é claramente o Elvin e tocando num tipo de lista telefônica ou talvez em alguma outra superfície similar. Pode ser num quarto de hotel, os caras praticando antes de alguma gig, sei lá ... e o pior é que se vc olhar as diversas outras postagens, verá que tem alguns caras que dizem que nem é o Coltrane aí ...
+Ricardo dos Santos Jones was nowhere near Coltrane in 1956. It's Philly Joe.
@jovesheerwater I didn´t understand anything you wrote. I am brazilian and I don´t understand what you said. The only thing I know is that you first came to this video to correct what I wrote as a title. So I need to tell everyone who corrects the title that they ARE trading fours. And they are doing that as some sort of practice. It is not a live gig and it´s not a studio sessions, recording session. Again : you call it a rehearsal, a practicing or anything similar to that.
@musikaudios Btw, I added '' TRADING FOURS AFTER 1 MIN 40 SECS '' to the main title. Is it more clear now ?
@whitehotmagazine You need to listen to more brushes sounds, on snares or in books / magazines. I have the original of this here, it is almost 7 mins long and I can listen loud and realize the ' ghost notes ' of a typical brush stick sound.
Do you still have the original? Would you be willing to share the whole 7 minutes with us?
@busterbrownation Why the conversation almost never takes a more simple and musical direction ? It is waiste of time trying to judge any person only through words written in a cold screen.
In 1956??
Lol. I hope there aren't guys who can't realize this is John Coltrane.
Gotta stay in the shed young'ins. Get the records out.
It sounds like someone is TAP DANCING on this!!! I don't know who it could be though...
playing drums on books
@invisiblekid14 if this is from 1956 then its probably 90% philly joe jones
fourS?
They are trading fours (bars of music).
@khaosx12 Don´t worry, I will find a time machine, put you in and send right back to that day.
Trading twos at the end
Yay-AH!!!!!!!!!