I love how you can hear Jimmy humming the solo to himself. It shows how insanely intentional each note is; always knowing exactly where he’s going to go even when he’s improvising.
Theres other things that are cool about it too. My jazz teachers always used to tell the percussion section to hum to themselves so that they can have good phrasing, because many beginners will go on forever and have few rests, if any at all, because they don't have to stop playing to breath like wind players. Humming to themselves makes it so they have to breath, and they have better phrasing in their solos.
More like his absolutely ridiculous work ethic. Sure it's easy to look at players like this and say they were born with the natural ability to do so. When you put in the insane amount of practice time that Coltrane did you WILL end up a monster. Given you dont mindlessly noodle and think that's practice
I wish I lived in a time where I could talk about the music of all my favorite jazz legends with common folk. Instead, late nights in my bedroom by myself, trying to figure out why I love this music so much. John Coltrane is one of my best friends and I've never even met the guy and he never knew I exist
dont worry... its sad your comment...made me think.. but there are those of us who feel exactly the same as you ...i am a sax player of about fifty years of experience and 70 years now...I am here to look and learn and appreciate in wonderment and reading you post is very important to me..it struck a chord right here in my heart my friend..Coltrane does that to us ...love and peace to you..and music...
Indeed, so underrated... He played this kind of solo before anyone else, and that tone is to die for. Rock solid. I've listened to this particular solo so many times that I can sing it, I may try to transcribe it on my double bass too (listening to Jimmy made me start double bass 8 years ago).
This is easily my favorite jazz quartet of all time. Coltrane with his lightning fast tenor licks, Mccoy Tyner with his incredible solos, Elvin Jones' ride cymbal of justice, and Garrison's smooth bass lines.
Tyner is unlike anyone else, his emphatic left hand and the bright sound of his articulations bring a real warm humanity to his often alien, strange chords and inhuman technical mastery
Thanks so much for posting this! It reminds me of the 1st time I heard the John Coltrane Quartet at the Village Gate (NYC) in 1962, playing this song. I heard him again at the Jazz Workshop in Boston in 1964 with Rashid Ali and Pharoah Sanders (augmenting the quartet) and Coltrane's sound and tone had undergone a major transformation.... as a result of a spiritual awakening. For the first set they played one song that lasted for one hour, it was an energized, meditative trance. I have read that "he believed not only in a universal musical structure that transcended ethnic distinctions, but in being able to harness the mystical language of music itself." This was very evident, because having the privilege of witnessing this set, it was a musical and spiritual experience of the deepest level..... for me and my friends.
I am taking a deeper dive on McCoy Tyner; uh.....holy crap his playing is just plain genius. nothing more to add to Coltrane's genius that hasn't already been said. But McCoy is mighty mighty.
National Educational Television? Damn man this was the kind of stuff they were showing on educational television back in the day. That's awesome. It's appropriate though, I mean there's so many things to be learned from a performance like this. And it's very inspiring to say the least. Talk about an education
No musician on the level of the greats like Trane and Bird and so many others can be imitated. This is something that African Americans don't relate to in words. We can play in their memory,but never in their likeness. This is spiritual music from the soul,so who can occupy the soul of another in their personal renditions. Just play from your own space and ability.The music is freely flowing from within your own ability and soul.Ponder!
Regardless of your ethnicity, you don't want to imitate any jazz player. If you play jazz or anything like it, you should develop your own style from the very beginning.
@@Steinbach1984 well thats just wrong. Every jazz musician ever imitated the masters before them and thats how they developed their style. Thats how Jazz (BAM) progresses. How are you supposed develop your own style if you dont study the source or imitate when you are young. Its like trying to learn a new language without hearing anyone actual speak it. Bird studied the masters before him like lester young and coleman hawkins to develop his style. Almost everyone who actually knows music would disagree with your statement.
@@bebopshulang To be inspired by someone isn't the same as trying to failthfully imitate (=copy) someone's style. If you play jazz, you'd better listen how Bird, Trane and other greats did it. But if you're going to play a solo, you shouldn't say "I'm going to play a solo in the style of Coltrane". Of course, your solo is likely to be influenced a lot by him because his influence is huge. But you don't even want to copy him.
Laurie Savage yes, seems like they all died young. Guess the lifestyle they lived was toxic, but what a treasure they left us with !!!!! This thing called jazzzzzzz!!
As a trombone player at the age of 20 it gives me chills on just thinking on how amazing John Coltrane is and how people my age don't know who he was or what he did to change music. I am happy to have the privilege to understand the fundamentals of this genre of music and the different ties to vast genre's that branched off jazz.
It was no different for me. When I was 14, (1974) if I even said the word "Jazz" people would hold their noses and say it's "corny old square geezer music" I discovered Coltrane through one of my friends' older brother, and I was hooked. Trying to get anybody to even acknowledge that such a thing existed was like screaming my lungs out in a soundproof room. H.L. Mencken said "Nobody ever went broke from underestimating the stupidity of the American public". He was right.
Jimmy Garrison shows us what the bass is all about. Happy birthday up there, John, 93 today. This must be one of the best films of the Quartet. The close-ups are brilliant.
This is brilliant. Coltrane steps back and showcases tyner and garrison, who are equally brilliant. Then as a finish, coltrane and jones take it somewhere else - maybe jazz heaven
one of the great benefits of the internet and youtube, being able to share in the privilege of hearing this group of master musicians.. this goes beyond where the spoken word can go, thank you.
This is equivalent to classical music, so here there are no frontiers, no races, no languages... only celestial music, non stop improvisation. I understand this music from the moment that touch inside me, independent if I am black or white, American or illegal alien!
I don't hold a eurocentric standard or metric of excellence so in my view this is just great music, incomparable to the classical greats, of course, totally subjective.
@@theilluminedone7896 I couldn't disagree more vehemently. This music certainly IS comparable to the classical greats. In fact, I and many others would say that jazz is a form of American classical music. The music of Coltrane and Bird is just as profoundly excellent as that of Mozart and Handel. Both jazz and European classical music are spiritual and beautiful in their unique ways. But to each their own, I suppose.
I've been transcribing Coltrane's solo at the end and every phrase is so dense and brilliant. It made me think about the album Radiant Imprints by James Brandon Lewis and Chad Taylor, where the head for each tune is a Coltrane line. And they can make a song based off that one line. It totally makes sense now. Each line is so impactful.
There was a 6 month period in my life when I listened to this particular one every bit of free time I had. It was the only music that was speaking to me. And when I wasn't listening, it was playing in my head. If ever I was obsessed with some piece of music, this was it.
I'm still as awestruck by these cats as I was the first hundred times I listened to them. I just now discovered that this genre of jazz is on TH-cam! It's amazing to actually see these guys create this! Can't wait to see more!
I. Could. Not. Stop. Watching. This. Mesmerized. Smitten. I barely remembered to breathe. I guess that's what happens when the music is breathtaking. Thanks for posting this.
Being able to see this song in live like that is simply a blessing!!! John Coltrane... A Master And with McCoy, damn and that bass, too, wow Jimmy G. was preachin' 🙌🙌🙌🙏🙌🙏🙌
An incredible moment captured in time. Brilliant.
The world's greatest Jazz Quartet bar none.
Lots of great ones. But, I'd have to agree.
Live footage of Coltrane is a treasure.
It should be considered heritage of the mankind.
yeah
So true
so true
So true
Saw this group 4 times each time was great I am 81 years old
Your truly blessed
A lucky man god bless
I am in awe. What a blessing!
What a life🎉
I'm jealous of you sir !!
I love how you can hear Jimmy humming the solo to himself. It shows how insanely intentional each note is; always knowing exactly where he’s going to go even when he’s improvising.
Bro you nailed it. The correct perceived notion of the event he played.
Breathing it into being
Well put!
Theres other things that are cool about it too. My jazz teachers always used to tell the percussion section to hum to themselves so that they can have good phrasing, because many beginners will go on forever and have few rests, if any at all, because they don't have to stop playing to breath like wind players. Humming to themselves makes it so they have to breath, and they have better phrasing in their solos.
@@benjaminmcclelland2464 what a beautiful tip
Bass solo is an acid trip.
Jimmy Garrison is the man
BASS SOLO Very Long
I want to go back in time and buy Jimmy Garrison a fan.
@@zackstewart4109 lmao his solo was so fire it made him sweat from the heat.
Elvin hits the hell out of the kit
ブルージャイアントのおかげでこの曲を知れて、ジョンコルトレーンを知れた。感謝
Me to
Everytime I think I found a new favorite jazz musician I remember John Coltrane exists
Jimmy Garrison on the bass is beyond belief. I love how everyone else is just letting it ride.
A whole course of study could be built around this performance.
i could listen to mccoy tyner all day
Oh yeah...
Tyner is on fire here!
As a pianist, Just "imagine" that my 1 lonely like is the 50,000 that your comment should get lol.....
Yup, sickness, insanity, and I came here to listen to Elvin lol
J.W. Comer RIP
RIP
Dude fr
Coltrane's talent is terrifying
Costas Bakopoulos - .....and utterly stultifying at times.... I mean my god man have some mercy on us.
Well I mean the man would practice like 16 hours a day so that has something to do with it!
It’s not talent...
Genius
More like his absolutely ridiculous work ethic. Sure it's easy to look at players like this and say they were born with the natural ability to do so. When you put in the insane amount of practice time that Coltrane did you WILL end up a monster. Given you dont mindlessly noodle and think that's practice
Coltrane was one of God's Chosen Soul Messengers...anointed with no peers.
Coltrane single-handedly changed the genre of jazz and worked hard to cultivate his talent! 11:33
His passion was unmatched. He's my number one.
I wish I lived in a time where I could talk about the music of all my favorite jazz legends with common folk. Instead, late nights in my bedroom by myself, trying to figure out why I love this music so much. John Coltrane is one of my best friends and I've never even met the guy and he never knew I exist
+Totally Tubular Bro, that's a brave share. It's gotta be true for anything outside mainstream music.
I relate to your comment so much. What makes me even more sad, is that Jazz is not as popular as it used to be :(
there are lots of us out there if you look!
dont worry... its sad your comment...made me think.. but there are those of us who feel exactly the same as you ...i am a sax player of about fifty years of experience and 70 years now...I am here to look and learn and appreciate in wonderment and reading you post is very important to me..it struck a chord right here in my heart my friend..Coltrane does that to us ...love and peace to you..and music...
We are lucky. We get to see and hear true beauty that the average person will never delve into.
Jimmy Garrison is an incredibly underrated bassist. That solo, god damn, one of the best live solos I've heard in a while.
You should see Stanley Clarke play live. He can solo and play the bass as a percussive instrument. saw him live at the Blue Note in NYC. check him out
mike FRIED I sure will.
amen, brother.
Indeed, so underrated... He played this kind of solo before anyone else, and that tone is to die for. Rock solid. I've listened to this particular solo so many times that I can sing it, I may try to transcribe it on my double bass too (listening to Jimmy made me start double bass 8 years ago).
👴🏻 I WEAR A BRA AND PANTIES AND I WALK FUNNY.
McCoy Tyner SNAPPED on this track tho whatttt 🥵👌🏾
This is easily my favorite jazz quartet of all time. Coltrane with his lightning fast tenor licks, Mccoy Tyner with his incredible solos, Elvin Jones' ride cymbal of justice, and Garrison's smooth bass lines.
Zachary Ree
Then when you add Eric Dolphy the whole thing goes to the strathosphe!!
The ride cymbal of justice lol
Ride cymbal of justice! Yes we dig!
They're incredible. You might enjoy Max Roach's ensembles... th-cam.com/video/EsAnAQfdyKY/w-d-xo.html
It's a Blessing to be able to hear this Masterpiece in 2024
This makes me proud to be an African American.
Tracy Simmons jazz is a mix culture of black and white musical genius.better to be proud to be a human
Tracy Simmons So you should.
I am not African American, but this music is so fantastic that it makes me happy that it makes you proud.
barkofink
Where was the white musical genius in jazz that happend to mix black culture.
+Tracy Simmons This make me proud to be a human being.
Elvin Jones is LEGENDARY
I’ve never heard a more burning piano player in my life!!!!
One of the best however looking for other for sure😮
Tyner is unlike anyone else, his emphatic left hand and the bright sound of his articulations bring a real warm humanity to his often alien, strange chords and inhuman technical mastery
well put - alien chords that are so abstract yet so cool and appropriate
Jazz is a whole different world.
facts
Such controlled intensity...
RIP McCoy Tyner (1938-2020)
Thanks so much for posting this! It reminds me of the 1st time I heard the John Coltrane Quartet at the Village Gate (NYC) in 1962, playing this song. I heard him again at the Jazz Workshop in Boston in 1964 with Rashid Ali and Pharoah Sanders (augmenting the quartet) and Coltrane's sound and tone had undergone a major transformation.... as a result of a spiritual awakening. For the first set they played one song that lasted for one hour, it was an energized, meditative trance. I have read that "he believed not only in a universal musical structure that transcended ethnic distinctions, but in being able to harness the mystical language of music itself." This was very evident, because having the privilege of witnessing this set, it was a musical and spiritual experience of the deepest level..... for me and my friends.
Wow lucky you were alive in the time of Coltrane.
What wonderful music inspired many great muscians
You were very lucky, Kent.
Rekindles my faith in Jazz!
Well said! That must have been some experience on many levels.
Kent Hewitt poll
I am taking a deeper dive on McCoy Tyner; uh.....holy crap his playing is just plain genius. nothing more to add to Coltrane's genius that hasn't already been said. But McCoy is mighty mighty.
THIS MAKES ME PROUD TO BE A HUMAN BEING.
This man John Coltrane has saved my life, I would do anything to have witness a great like him…. Love you Mr. Coltrane
Yes,i agree.Same thing for me,Coltrane is immortal
Check out My favorite things. A masterpiece.
❤@@andregallileibalangock2378Trane had saved my life too!! I treasure his recordings, with Miles Davis
This performance is not just a gem. Its a golden crown covered with countles gemstones.
That bassist really put everything in his solo, i can see him sweating and humming every each note. True work of art.
Who’s watching this in 2020 to revive the spirit of jazz
Adam Elbakouri it’s time for this to be cool again
I prefer this type of jazz. I listen to it almost daily
@Olin Young yeah, Those people have no idea of this music. Jazz is REAL music
Jazz music is such a pure expression of the soul...
Me! Absolutely love & adore me some Coltrane. I hear his music & I am go into another realm. Just sheer heaven.
Best jazz quartet ever. Garrison tells a beautiful story on his bass...
Would you even say better then Miles Davis, Wynton Kelly, Jimmy Cobb and Paul Chambers.
@@waynejohanson1083 Not better , different.
Chick out Mr. Garrison’s left hand: Specially made for that Instrument.
@@waynejohanson1083 yes.
McCoy's solo is so sweet... in and out of time and smokin'!
+Keith Bickerstaffe True Dat!
Effortlessly
4th's comping takes me to dreamland...
that comping is excellent.
That's why I call him "The Real McCoy".
National Educational Television? Damn man this was the kind of stuff they were showing on educational television back in the day. That's awesome. It's appropriate though, I mean there's so many things to be learned from a performance like this. And it's very inspiring to say the least. Talk about an education
@GamerMan57 My thoughts exactly!
Right?
Jazz is a very important part of music education. This is extremely inspirational to enjoy watching!!
It is now classic jazz. It will survive as long as the classical music "by Hayden, Mozart and Beethoven.
Beethoven once treated Haydn with reference and considered him as good as Bach and Mozart. 9:06
No musician on the level of the greats like Trane and Bird and so many others can be imitated. This is something that African Americans don't relate to in words. We can play in their memory,but never in their likeness. This is spiritual music from the soul,so who can occupy the soul of another in their personal renditions. Just play from your own space and ability.The music is freely flowing from within your own ability and soul.Ponder!
Well said Albert Brown
There are no Trane knockoffs for sure. It's hard to believe they are even making the music it's so magical.
Regardless of your ethnicity, you don't want to imitate any jazz player. If you play jazz or anything like it, you should develop your own style from the very beginning.
@@Steinbach1984 well thats just wrong. Every jazz musician ever imitated the masters before them and thats how they developed their style. Thats how Jazz (BAM) progresses. How are you supposed develop your own style if you dont study the source or imitate when you are young. Its like trying to learn a new language without hearing anyone actual speak it. Bird studied the masters before him like lester young and coleman hawkins to develop his style. Almost everyone who actually knows music would disagree with your statement.
@@bebopshulang To be inspired by someone isn't the same as trying to failthfully imitate (=copy) someone's style. If you play jazz, you'd better listen how Bird, Trane and other greats did it. But if you're going to play a solo, you shouldn't say "I'm going to play a solo in the style of Coltrane". Of course, your solo is likely to be influenced a lot by him because his influence is huge. But you don't even want to copy him.
In my 40's and just discovering this. Floored by how wonderful this is.
Anything you find in the music store. If it say "Coltrane" its all good.
That bass!
He died too young
Luke Green yes, walkin! !!!!
Laurie Savage yes, seems like they all died young. Guess the lifestyle they lived was toxic, but what a treasure they left us with !!!!! This thing called jazzzzzzz!!
Luke Green - As a bass enthusiast this performance by Jimmy Garrison has sent me straight into 7th heaven.
@@lucky4724 McCoy is still with us, Elvin died at 76
This quartet is one of the most amazing combos I've ever hear...
Heard*
Heard*
Heard*
Jazz, America's contribution to classical music. Tyner always leaves me astonished.
As a trombone player at the age of 20 it gives me chills on just thinking on how amazing John Coltrane is and how people my age don't know who he was or what he did to change music. I am happy to have the privilege to understand the fundamentals of this genre of music and the different ties to vast genre's that branched off jazz.
It was no different for me. When I was 14, (1974) if I even said the word "Jazz" people would hold their noses and say it's "corny old square geezer music"
I discovered Coltrane through one of my friends' older brother, and I was hooked. Trying to get anybody to even acknowledge that such a thing existed was like screaming my lungs out in a soundproof room.
H.L. Mencken said "Nobody ever went broke from underestimating the stupidity of the American public". He was right.
ALL Live footage of Coltrane is a treasure.
Jimmy Garrison shows us what the bass is all about. Happy birthday up there, John, 93 today. This must be one of the best films of the Quartet. The close-ups are brilliant.
This is brilliant. Coltrane steps back and showcases tyner and garrison, who are equally brilliant. Then as a finish, coltrane and jones take it somewhere else - maybe jazz heaven
This is by far one of the greatest things I've ever seen or heard.
yes it is
yes it is
yes it is
I totally agree!
Loot Brute Completely agree
Adding some love for Elvin here. When I first GOT how he drums I was blown away.
In my opinion this is and always be the greatest era of Jazz!💯
Let's make a new greatest era of Jazz - together ! ! !
one of the great benefits of the internet and youtube, being able to share in the privilege of hearing this group of master musicians.. this goes beyond where the spoken word can go, thank you.
McCoy Tyner at 25 yrs old... oh my goodness. What an unbelievable quartet, thank you for sharing
i love the doublebass solo by Jimmy Garrison!
Guido upright bass brother
Guido (o()
It makes me really happy that this video has been seen 216,603 times as of now
It's 1 011 538 now :)
2,012,000
We still are not worthy.
Coltrane blows me away. I wish he had lived much longer. He had the soul of a god.
Brad Martisius I agree, freight trane !!!! vampin
ブルージャイアントでジャズいいな！って思った新参にわかですが、もっと色んなジャズ聴きたいなぁ...。。
Tranes solo is mind blowing. He was truly ahead of his time.
And still is.
I have a feeling he will always be ahead of his time.
of his time ( one CANT be ahead of one's time)
Coltrane’s entrance at 8:25 might be the coolest solo entrance of all time
"ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY" 🎷
Nah, Bill Evans' entrance in "Nardis" tops this. It is sick....th-cam.com/video/qAeMI8w_9xc/w-d-xo.html
5:03 Agree Bill Evans is also a great instrumentalist, you cannot stop listen to these exceptional mucians.
This is equivalent to classical music, so here there are no frontiers, no races, no languages... only celestial music, non stop improvisation. I understand this music from the moment that touch inside me, independent if I am black or white, American or illegal alien!
I don't hold a eurocentric standard or metric of excellence so in my view this is just great music, incomparable to the classical greats, of course, totally subjective.
@@theilluminedone7896 I couldn't disagree more vehemently. This music certainly IS comparable to the classical greats. In fact, I and many others would say that jazz is a form of American classical music. The music of Coltrane and Bird is just as profoundly excellent as that of Mozart and Handel. Both jazz and European classical music are spiritual and beautiful in their unique ways. But to each their own, I suppose.
Gentleman Martin Haggis 69 preach
Люблю Колтрейневскую атмосферу 🎷🔥🔥🔥
jimmy's solo here is so sweeeeet!
I've been transcribing Coltrane's solo at the end and every phrase is so dense and brilliant. It made me think about the album Radiant Imprints by James Brandon Lewis and Chad Taylor, where the head for each tune is a Coltrane line. And they can make a song based off that one line. It totally makes sense now. Each line is so impactful.
Coltrane may have had the greatest tenor sax tone of all time.
christopher fischer newk(sonny rollins) was pretty intense also !!!!
LUCKY 472 yeah I love Sonny’s sound too! I also like Dexter Gordon’s and Brecker’s sound
christopher fischer dexter, an brecker, yes !!!! GIANTS !!! CHEERS
@@lucky4724 Saxaphone Collosus is a classic.
John Coltrane could say so much with so few notes. So good....worth listening over and over.
Uh so few notes? Lol
bro he plays like every single not in this
McCoy really does kill it here. This has to be my favourite performance, ever.
McCoy Tyner... wow!
All of Coltranes musicians on this set.
I feel 'cool' / hip here just watching it!.
The finger focus on Tyner at 1:42 or so got me wide eyed. Incredible show from the full personnel.
RIP dear McCoy. Thank you for your gift. We enjoyed every single note and will keep doing so.
Rest in peace to all of them
RIP másterchief of harmony McCoy Tyner March 6 2k20
I was too young to have seen JC but I was lucky enough to catch McCoy Tyner and wow! He was amazing. They were giants.
that's a beautiful program, it's a shame we don't have more interest in producing such --commercial television is such a wasteland.
There's all sorts of good stuff going on today, it's on TH-cam, and begging for views. #ShamelessSelfPlug
Talent like this has very little commercial potential
Jimmy Garrison on fire here! Love the solooooo!
"Stellar Regions" (1967) is an absolute MUST-HAVE! That record permanently changed the way I think of music.
This has got to be the hottest quartet of all time. Man they really cook.
McCoy was always the star of the show in my mind.
There was a 6 month period in my life when I listened to this particular one every bit of free time I had. It was the only music that was speaking to me. And when I wasn't listening, it was playing in my head. If ever I was obsessed with some piece of music, this was it.
I in
John. Just him and his saxophone. All complications of life dealt with musically. I can see why he’d be so devoted.
有難いナ、素晴らしい映像が、次から次へとアップしてもらえる時代だ❗😊
Saw BLUE GIANT recently and this track is a part of the soundtrack for the movie, absolutely amazing, eases the soul
A uniquely American art form created by geniuses like Coltrane. One of the most amazing artistic contributions to this world.
Orgasmic Jazz....and Hey, Jimmy Garrison have pure fire on his hands, God, they are the fucking best!
Can't get enough of 'Trane. I was floored by the rawness and grit of the upright bassist Jimmy Garrison. Oh, that pianist is divine
This music goes way beyond jazz.....this performance is so beautiful and deep. ,
I can't get enough of this video. Of course Coltrane was amazing as usual but McCoy!!! He's a master!!!
That’s the Greatest till now!2024!
McCoy Tyner...My Goodness...!!
Let's be honest, that is just wonderful man
Jimmy Garrison!!!!! So country! So soulful, funky, buoyant, beautiful!
Amen to this Gospel !
R.i.p McCoy! What an incredible musician you were!
McCoy tyner wherever you are; I hope your restin at ease!
I'm still as awestruck by these cats as I was the first hundred times I listened to them. I just now discovered that this genre of jazz is on TH-cam! It's amazing to actually see these guys create this! Can't wait to see more!
I. Could. Not. Stop. Watching. This. Mesmerized. Smitten. I barely remembered to breathe. I guess that's what happens when the music is breathtaking. Thanks for posting this.
Being able to see this song in live like that is simply a blessing!!! John Coltrane... A Master
And with McCoy, damn and that bass, too, wow Jimmy G. was preachin' 🙌🙌🙌🙏🙌🙏🙌
Look how hard they are grooving at 1:12. Pure soul. Pure passion. You can't fake that.
Jazz Giants!
What blessings!
Ah the genius of Coltrane, let alone the genius of jazz music.
These videos should be national treasures if they are not.
that's a big wow...any video of COLTRANE is most appreciated. and the tune with the over the top musicianship exudes JAZZ to nth degree.
the tune also reminds me a bit of ELVIN JONES' tune DEAR JOHN C
One of the most innovative groups