"Tired of seeing this stuff put in upside down"
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After 30 years in this business, the correct way to install crown is the way where you get paid.
Exactly Jonathan- this is another "The toilet paper flap goes behind", "No- it goes out front" argument. I hear people waste their time arguing about whether drywall goes on vertically or horizontally etc. In the end it's whatever makes the paying customer happy!
@@Rick-the-Swift I guess they must be the architects that took part in designing the mouldings.😁😁😁😁😁😁😝
Bingo.
Amen
Only right way is tight miters. All that really matters
I’m just a man with two hands that likes to make things that look cool. Love it!
My favorite line from this video as well!
I am a custom home builder and live by that motto
That is a much better saying than "There is never time to do it right the second time, so do it right the first time" which I tried to teach to my apprentices' when I was still working.
ha ha, i typed the same thing before i saw your post
After 35 years in the business it’s good to see a young man doing things the right way. You’re a true craftsman, Richard. You make our industry proud!!
In older houses with real lath-and-plaster walls, driving a nail to hang a picture or artwork was asking for cracked, flaking, or spalling plaster. The only safe way was to hang the artwork suspended from a fixed rail -- hence the advent of "picture molding" or "picture rail."
In my old apartment, in a building built just after WWI, I hung all my pictures from the picture moulding. Not only did the plaster remain in good nick, but when I moved there were no holes in the walls to patch.
Correct! I have picture rail molding in my den and dining room. House built in 1920.
@@troygraham2238 It is nice because you can move your art around and not have to mess with the plaster walls. We had it in our house when I was a kid. I miss it because my current home does not have it.
In an art class, the professor talked about picture frame molding and they sold clips for it in the art store downtown. The college used it in the gallery for students to show their work. I was already familiar with it because my grandmother had it in her house and that's how she hung up pictures. It's really an awesome molding.
How was the picture molding installed on the plaster in order to avoid the aforementioned problem?
That part around 2:20, where you zoomed in and out at the Windsor1 drawing diagram and the actually install had me cracking up, I wish you kept it going!!! Good job getting his back!
If he turned it over it would look stupid. Every house I have ever seen with crown molding, it was installed the way that guy was doing it. I don't know why anyone would think it was wrong.
@@greyeaglem It used to be a big deal, & was based on classical architecture styles, like Greek capitals on pillars, for instance. But, that is only one way...LOTS of materials look great used upside down, backside-out, etc. ...It’s in the eye of the beholder, for Pete’s sake! Use the materials to get a look you like, that most folks might also like if thinking to sell it.
@@Chimonger1 I just have never seen a crown molding installed any way other than what he was doing. If you turned it upside down, you would have a wide piece like an upside down ledge sticking out all the way around. I have never seen that ever, even in houses dating to the 1700s. I was surprised that so many people thought it was wrong.
@@greyeaglem Yep! But, some like it that way around (no accountin’ for some folks!😉
It’s mostly a matter of what the owner likes.
I'm a contractor who's been watching your channel for a few years now and really enjoy your positive attitude. Whether it has to do with the "correct" use or orientation of products or the proper pronunciation of wainscoting (or is it wainscoating? LOL), your attitude of "it doesn't really matter as long as it's installed securely and looks good to the customer" is awesome. I've learned from you and changed several of my methods because of you. The world needs more people like you! Thanks for continuing to put out great content that is not only informative but entertaining as well.
I’m 71- still an active carpenter and woodworker. You.... are extremely good and knowledgeable. I learn all the time from your videos. Thank you.
I'm a 72 retired trim carpenter like your work thanks for the great videos, I will pass them on to young carpenters
"I'm just a man with two hands who likes to make things look cool."
Translation: I know what I am doing and have talent and style.
There is only one correct way to install any trim, the way it looks good to you and your customers.
Well actually it only need to look good for customer because he might want you to do something that you think is ugly but what he adores.
@@mr.wizeguy8995 Exactly correct.
That’s true ugly to you’re eyes but beautiful to theirs
Spot on.
Exactly.
Much respect for going to bat for another carpenter with proof. Love your channel, ex carpenter here with around 10 or more years experience. Just to let you know I learn alot from watching, new and different ways of doing things. You're never to old or experienced to learn. Keep doing what you're doing much respect and you are really good at what you're doing thanks.
Who needs college??
This young man has taught himself a valuable skill - which he has obviously mastered to a high level. He seems like a very smart, well-rounded, articulate person. Very cool.
Very nicely done......ive been at this for 40+ years.....love to see the attitude of" we'll figure it out and make it work"...... Nice job.....well done
Yo bud, I have so respect for you havin' Katz' back, even if that happened years ago. That's huge.
Nice “panel moulding”! I like your philosophy on moulding... “do what looks cool” and that moulding sure does look cool. 😎😎
I like how you wait for the saw to stop before you pick it back up, I always wait for it to stop
Thanks for keeping it real. I never listen to those people that think they know how to build.
“Brush my teeth with it.” Lol! Can’t wait for the next video.
I'm impressed that you're finding clients that want this style still! I would love to do stuff like this but everyone wants reclaimed barnwood feature walls and concrete floors.
I call those people insecure trend followers.. If you told them that smearing feces on their walls was the hot new look that would impress their friends, they would do it. Pathetic! Yes, I'm glad he finds clients that choose what they actually like. Barn wood belongs in barns, and concrete belongs in cellars and garages...better off keeping your thinking "inside" the box.
Great video.
I used to own a 1914 craftsman that was built by a contractor for his family and had all the original details and finishes, well kept up. Picture hangar rail was in every room of my house installed under the crown molding. It was also used as trim on top of the six inch baseboards, inverted 180 degrees with the rounded part facing down. It is a very nice detail.
Great video. I've been a cabinet maker and custom finisher for over 20 years now and you're right! Wood working is an art form and you can't tell another man, on the design side of things, how to do something. Having said that, generally the wider edge of the profile goes towards the bottom in order to bring the crown forward. Doing this allows the profile to be seen when a door is added below it. I have installed it upside-down in order to have a wider edge to the ceiling so I can run a piece of quarter round against a really bad ceiling line. Cheers man, good videos!
Man, I am learning so much from you. Since I'm in the middle of a whole house remodel, and I'm a retired Ironworker (hence near zero finish carpentry experience) , all the tips and tricks are GREATLY appreciated. Charlie Mike!
Also, concur on the WindsorONE products. Just wish they offered it in different species, like red oak.
I just installed picture moulding on my plaster walls. The house is from the 1920’s. Now I don’t have to drill holes in the lathe and plaster to hang a picture 👍. I learned how to cope the corners from your videos. Thank you‼️😀
I grew up in Boston in an apartment building built in the 1870s. Picture molding, but we used hammered in picture hooks anyway. Cracking in the plaster was behind the picture - but what a mess to move a picture! So, as I recall, we didn’t.
I'm a 20 year carpenter that just learned more in this video than anything I've ever seen on TH-cam.
Love the way this came out!
You are a very talented young man - it is such a joy watching you work, I’m just a lady with some power tools trying to learn the proper way to upgrade the woodwork in my home. So glad I found your channel!
Your work is top quality & willingness to take the time teach is much appreciated. Thank You!
I'm constantly loosing my pencils, just ordered a real back. Learn something every time I watch your videos
Larry Fedewa There’s an even better holder than the tethered holders in my opinion. It’s magnetic. One part goes on the pencil, the other part you can clip on your shirt or anywhere you want. It allows you to write anywhere without being limited by the string, then put the pencil back on the holder clipped to you.
You would be blown away by how much I take from what you do and now I do it myself on my own jobs , the CA glue was the start haha but yea mate I’ve learnt soooo much from this channel and I been a carpenter for 18 years, mostly framing but past few years doin 2nd fix
Even an old episode probably a year ago you done a transition on baseboard and pretty much that week I had a situation where I could do a transition and it come up that good.
Cheers mate 🤙
Just completely modernized a 1955 mobile home on the inside/still 1955 "deco" on the outside. Very expensive redo. I used basic base trim on the floors AND windows to save money and it looks great! Had many nice comments on the results. Everyone asked where I got the idea but of course I didn't admit it was a money thing. The trim around the windows is "backwards". The outside has been sandblasted and painted with original colors and new windows and now I'm looking for Lucille O'Ball and Desi Arnez to walk out the front door!
Superb! I look forward to seeing the finished product! Thank you for sharing the work you are doing in your own home. Your work is inspiring.
'White like the rest of the trim... or lime green.'
Mega lol.
Lime. I vote for lime.
I’m guessing the 3 people that hit the thumbs down are the same people who were saying the trim was installed up side down
And they're still in bed.
I'm sure it's accidental. If you are right handed the thumbs down button is exactly aligned with your thumb as you go to scroll down.
Happens to me a bit, only notice when I scroll back up and see a blue thumbs down. Really bad layout from TH-cam..
Haha yes the Monday morning quarter backs. Haha
Yes, upside down comments!
maybe they were trying to like the video but were using the like button upside down.
You make your work so easy. Thoroughly enjoy watching all the different projects you have done.
I truly appreciate people who are perfectionists in their craft!....anyone can put up molding, but if it isn't perfect, it is an eyesore.
“The other choice was lime green”
Always hit your viewers with an exit troll.
tscoffey1 pistachio is the new lime
Yeaaaah ... I'm not seeing the señora being too peachy with that. :P
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I'd go with Ryobi green myself!
You've always put out great content but this has to be one of my favorites. Nicely done!
The greatest ability of the finish carpenter is to be creative. Taking given profiles and doing something out of the box and ending up with awesome results is what we do.
Talented, creative, smart, funny, humble and good looking. Great guy. Love your work.
I also make it a habit to cut all my left miters first (rough length) , then all my rights. Saves a ton of time and increases accuracy since you only move the saw 2x.
That’s why you don’t pay attention to comments. Lots of armchair quarterbacks that have done it all, except they havent
Doggone experts, at everything.
That’s awesome! I grew up in an old (~ 165 y/o) house that had picture molding in nearly EVERY room (except kitchen & baths) installed 12” below the 10” high plaster ceilings. I absolutely loved the millwork and casework in that house & still have some of it! The craftsmanship of the windows, doors, casings, arches and rough framing was incredible. I learned to appreciate quality craftsmanship while renovating that house, and I truly appreciate seeing in practice today. Keep up the good work!!
Hi I love the way you use the picture rail molding as a panel molding. I’m a preservation architect and I always think using moldings out of the box for which they were intended is creative, fresh and adds a uniqueness to the project. Bravo!
Your edits and zoom in on the Windsor 1 is hilarious! Love it.
I've seen that molding before in a very old school. It actually had pictures hanging off of it. I love that large bead.
I believe the trim was used and older houses that had lath and plaster houses that had lath and plaster.
I guess the walls were too brittle to put a nail just anywhere. Pictures were also very heavy.
It’s a museum type hanging rail. You can change the paintings/pictures out more often without having to make new holes in the wall.
Hey you are rolemodel material man! I have watched your videos for a long time and always enjoyed how you're not only a master carpenter but so humble and kind! Nice of you to defend another carpenter too, it shows your character. Keep it up!
As a older finish carpenture your doing really good for a young finisher you will only get better. Keep up the good work. And remember there was only one perfect carpenture.
I just realized the user who commented @ 1:12 is called "Master Of Masters".......very humble attitude there buddy. lol
Whose hack are they talking about. 🤣🤣
The “Master of Masters” obviously doesn’t have a masters in proper English.
@@jimserhant7741 obviously can't even master their own life.
Donovan Fulton That was directed towards “Master of Masters”, not me, right? Lol
@@jimserhant7741.....nah. just decided to make the master joke and throw it in the complete opposite direction.
Yeah that makes sense.
Dude, when the "zen" music started at 12:25 I almost fell out of my chair. Well done Sir! Lmao
Great series so far. Appreciate you putting in the hard work to make and edit these videos to help show me some great ideas. I know it can slow the job and takes a lot of time to edit. You do awesome work!
Well said! You nailed it. You said something in a video one time that made so much sense. “ clients don’t care if it’s coped or mitered they just want want what’s going to last over the long haul and what looks good” (paraphrased) as the saying goes work smarter not harder, there’s nothing wrong with pocket holes!!!😎👍🏿✅ that wall rocks!!
Molding is intended to be installed the way you want to. Only non creative carpenters follow the rules.
I totally agree!
if your not a creative carpenter you wont work for long. especially if you're doing onsite installation. it's nothing but creative problem solving with wood.
What rules? It's usually only opinions people are putting out there from what I can tell ;)
I've done a lot of raised panel work and that molding looks good.
You use those two hands for creating and producing fantastic results in what you deliver for your customers and share with all of us. It's not only cool - but the way you explain how, what and why you do the project/job/work shows you love what you do, that so great. Loving it..
Man my English is not to well but I can tell you that I watch your videos because I learn the way you do it and I like the way too, I’m a framer and I start practicing finish carpentry watching your videos. Thank you for sharing.
To quote that song, “people throw rocks at things that shine” , if you or the customer like the way the molding looks, then it’s installed correct. Btw that wall looks awesome! I tried the CA glue for toothpaste... do not recommend. 🤣
There's only one wrong way to install trim, and that's when it looks like shit.
That looks awesome! You guys do great work. Thanks for taking the time to do all these videos.
Retiring this year, after 50 or more years in the biz, as they say. You have the main ingredient that it takes to be a great craftsmen. Your imagination and a desire to make things look good. Years ago an old timer told me me to throw my square and levels back in the truck. Square, level boring !! Thats what he said. God gave you 2 eyes. Trust your gut and go with it!! You're an artist! Go and create my friend!!
“This house is just a lab, for me to try new things”......🤣🤣🤣
Brush my teeth with it 🤣😂....man that wall is going to look awesome!
Beautiful Work, Gorgeous Miters, I love the Glue Techniques and your openness to new ideas. Keep it Up
Amazing, exactly what I’m looking for. Thanks for sharing all the details on installing this trim in this fashion.
"Im just a man with two hands, that likes to make things look cool" Damn if that aint how things are suppose to be with all of us! Keep on making things cool!
My vote is “Lime Green” with “Florescent Yellow Dots”. Come on now you want to be out there and different right? Trim looks awesome!
Gary is a good man. Watched that exact video and many of yours to do crown and baseboard. Both of you provide terrific instruction and information!
Pretty cool, I like how you used a molding profile that normally wouldn't be used for this application. At the end of the day it's what ever the customer likes. In this case it's you so hats off to you.
I have that moulding in my office and I actually have pictures hanging from it. 👍😅
That is awesome! I'm going to use it for the intended purpose very soon
@@FinishCarpentryTV the dining room of the Cosmopolitan Hotel in Old Town San Diego has this too. As I understand it, they used to do it a lot more with plaster lathe walls, because doing a regular picture nail could fail a chunk of the wall, so tossing a hook over a rail made more sense, and they were easier to move around.
@1:50 i'm just a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude in FinishCarpentry TV shirt!!! (apologies to Tropic Thunder, one of the greatest comedic movies EVER) Richard, if you like it, that's all that matters! Love your channel. And @7:00, let me fix the subtitle for you. "if Ashley doesn't like it, she'll make me do it over" 😁
The large bead is what appealed to me as well when you first showed us! It creates excellent depth on the stiles and rails. I really really enjoyed this video Richard! Like most all your other videos I just might watch it a few more times today!
Found your channel a few days ago, and I've watched a few of your videos now. I can tell you enjoy and care a lot about your craft. It's fun and interesting to watch you execute on a build. Really cool stuff, and you've got a great personality too. Thanks for sharing this stuff with us, it's gold man. 🍻
just remember the person that has to live with what you build is the only opinion that matters in the long run
Picture rails - how very Victorian.
You do absolutely outstanding work, Marine! Semper Fidelis and stay safe.
Yeah you rock, It’s all about getting creative with these moldings. Love your videos and have learned a lot. I installed my crown moldings in my living room thanks to you.
Shout out to Frank! I love it.
as soon as i saw the miter glue i knew scott would be popping up 😂😂 honestly religiously watch you scott and just started getting into finnish carpentry tv
What's the name of that instant glue? I would like to find some I love it
Your 💰 your rules .👍
I learn a lot from your videos don’t stop sharing. Thank you
Thanks for putting these videos out. I find this stuff fascinating. I'm just a hack, but I inspire to be better and have been binge watching your videos.
Remember this: "The dogs bark but the caravan goes on". Keep the good job as always. Regards from Lisbon/Portugal 👍
I don't understand the meaning
@@frazzle657 In fact, it means in general terms: "life goes on even if some will try to stop progress." and "people may make a fuss, but it won't change the situation." Bye.
@@joaomourato3395 I understand now... Thanks
You don’t have a college degree? In my book you’ve got a PHD in teaching and craftsmanship!
What did you spray on that trim to glue it?
@@timthetoolmansampson3463 the spray is the activator i think its called. it basically helps the glue set up in about ten seconds instead of 45
@ The Sage, yeah I spoke too soon and finished the video and he explained it!!🤣🤣. Lesson learned, watch the whole thing, then ask questions!!!
@@timthetoolmansampson3463 haha no prob
So no debt and actual skills..
My daughter who lives in Chicago loves classic millwork/moldings! I have viewed your videos to gain ideas and tips. By the way, in today’s environment not going to college is a competitive advantage!
You are going to make a lot of people better at their craft by the time you are taking to share your knowledge, THANK YOU !!
I've been doing this for 35 years, and I can say unequivocally , that there is no right way to install crown " right side up", it's a very subjective thing, most times you'll see the bullnose, or the cove on the bottom, but other times you won't, IT"S NOT WRONG!, I've seen chair rail both ways, it might look strange to one person, and normal to another. casing should go on one way, usually.
1:52 Now there's a T shirt.
I really did enjoy your video, I appreciate the tips, and I loved the cool look of the finished wall.
I'm a 67 year old guy who did go to college...I guess so I could spend 40 years of my life working in an office that I eventually came to hate...even though I always knew that I really wanted to build cool things, as you mentioned (and demonstrate so well)!
A few years ago, I decided that it was not to late for me to do something else, something I loved...so I took early retirement and began acquiring some of the knowledge, skills, and tools, that I would need...and I now spend my days making my home the place I always wanted it to be...with my own hands!
And the point of my story was simply to tell you that you are obviously so much more than a man with a pair of hands (who likes to make cool things, lol!). Good luck to you in your endeavors, in your career, and especially in your life...and never stop learning new things!
I look forward to seeing more if your work!
-Henry C.
Thank you for this. I like how you paused to show the details on the molding. The end result was very cool!
Lime Green?. No way mate! Industry standard is the Hi Vis Green.
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I love Hi Vis Green!
Maybe Milwaukee Red or DeWalt Yellow.
What is that spray he’s using at 13:20?
Edit: never mind he answers at 16:00
You must be new here. Welcome!
He washes his 🦷 with that
Looks great man looking forward to seeing it complete , keep up the great work !
Your luck with outlet placement never ceases to amaze me. 100% of the projects I do an outlet is always in the damn way. Even when I plan around it that outlet shifts in the middle of the night just to screw me over the next day.
I'm hooked on this show....and I'm a framer...
Not lime green! Like the Dodge color? Noooo jk
Do you still caulk the outside edge where the round part meets the frame or no? Doesn’t look like you would need to which makes it an even better reason to use this
I’m sure he will even if the gap is minimal that’s what separates good from great imo
Yes we do. It will bother me if we didn’t caulk it. It would look unfinished . I cut the tip on the tube small and just put a small bead there and passed over it.
Love how much trim can dress up a home. Even a simple home can be transformed with some intricate trim work. Great skill to have and you show it well.
You are so good with your pre-cutting and assembly where everything fits so perfectly. I love the look and detail! Thank you for sharing and be careful if you have dentures when using the glue on your teeth if you accidently get the fixer in your mouth the dentures become permanent!
Lime green? Your funny, and it ends.
My funny? His funny? Our funny?
I was like what? I’m not a finish carpenter but I even know that crown was right as is.
It so nice to watcha true craftsman working and sharing your knowledge. I love the tips and I am planning on getting some CA glue and spray to have in bag of tricks.
The genius comes in the creative use of the molding, and this gentleman is a creative genius! He is precise and aware of what a beautiful assemblage entails. I love watching him work!
I would say these days college prevents free thinking. So your probably better off.
My probably better off? Or his probably better off? What about her probably better off?
I took carpentry and cabinet making at my local community college. It didn't change my thinking hahaha
@Chiafade now so in other words his blanket statement is bullshit.
University wouldn't change me either I've always been a socialist 😄
"I got the glue on my tongue mihijo"
Nice looking wall! Thanks for clearing up that confusion with moldings. Great video!
Dude I love your videos I am retired from carpentry but have to say I am totally addicted to your Channel.. Great Stuff. The folks who speak negative's are just jealous of your excellent work. Blessings