When I started, getting the double drop on point you really had to know the tracks like the back of your hand... to be able to see the full waveform in software is extremely helpful, definitely saves from some trial and error
Beatjump eliminates trial and error on the digi side, getting familiar with how fast the stylus travells across a record (assuming you can see the grooves) can be very helpful on the analog side. Obviously there is some variance with the latter depending on volume levels but you can still get a feel for it.
Yeah I'm an old school happy hardcore vinyl dj from the 90's, just bought and set up a ddj400 and downloaded a load of dnb and 140, can still beat match after all these years and picked up the bars and phrases with hardcore straight away but can't get the timings with the double drops. Only about 15 hours in so will keep trying
The secret is knowing your tunes, knowing the drops, reading the vinyl grooves or wave visual. Knowing what tunes go well, realising that vocal into vocal is not a good option 😂 And then just practise ❤️
This is exactly what I struggle with. SOmetimes it looks like it'll make total sense for me and then it sounds dogshit. Then other times the keys aren't supposed to go well together yet it fucking SLAPS. God, I just wanna get better at it, its so frustrating!
Thanks for the great tutorial. Double dropping is one of my favourite techniques to add more spice, energy and tension to my mixes. I use it a lot in my dirty progressive psytrance sets :) However, what I like to do is always create some space for the other track, either by using the hpf/lpf or by pushing the mids and highs a bit lower on both tracks, also changing them during the build-up to add extra tension and release. In my experience, the mixes sound cleaner, the volumes are better matched and you can hear what is going on in the tracks better.
Seems there’s a new name for everything. 😂 What is explained here is what I fundamentally consider to be...well...DJing. 🤷🏻♂️ BITD (25+ years ago), I relied on my track knowledge, phrasing and also looking at the upcoming vinyl groove patterns in front of the needle (the reason for those turntable pop-up lights kids! 😂) to achieve what is referred to here as a "double drop". Once tracks were saddled in, techniques such as transforming (using the channel’s line selector), cutting, chopping etc added the creative spice to the dish.
Nice examples. My .02: find tracks that really speak to each other and use this technique sparingly. This was so much harder back in the vinyl days but you’ve really got your pick of the lot now - it should surprise and delight the listener. Blow a mind or two by cutting to an unexpected third track with an energy shift and then stab the first two back on their accents with the channel faders. Dialogue man.
I’ve done things similar to this, but I really like the idea that the outgoing track, we don’t have to keep the drop, we can hot cue back to a less busy section of the track before removing it.
9:32 sounds hard in fairness, but EQ is king when doubling two major drops. In fact filter mixing is way better if you have a habit of double dropping tunes. Vocals are so good for it too. Also, am I the only one who gets OCD when seeing people not set beat grids? Anyone can play how they want obvs, just I am a bit too obsessed with beat grid setting.
I know I'm late, but I'm proud to have made my own double drops today! I mixed them using Ableton though. Here's what I did: 1. Culture Shock x Sub Focus & Wilkinson - Discotheque Illuminate 2. Synergy x Oliverse and MUZZ - Illuminate Unspoken I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could review them for me. I'll send the audio files to those who'd be willing to help me! Thank you x
Idk but neurofunk is way different when it comes to double dropping in key. I think that just comes down to neurofunk not beeing all to melodical :P. Also alot of stuff works together without really knowing your tracks ive noticed that when playing b2b sets!
As a 20+ year DJ mainly DnB / Breakbeat.......... A "double drop" just sounds like (and I mean no disrespect)....... mixing. Working 2 tracks together, on beat, in phrase / key, and riding it till ..... probably the breakdown or the next 16 for another layer to come in on the 2nd record / track. Is that correct ? I've just never heard it called that. It just sounds like mixing is being described to me tbh.
Exactly what I came to the comments to say and you saved me the time. 🙏🏼 What is explained is fundamentally…well…DJing. BITD, I needed to rely on my track knowledge, phrasing and also looking at the actual vinyl groove patterns in front of the needle (That’s why turntables had pop-up lights kids! 😂) to achieve what is referred to here as a “double drop”. Once tracks were saddled in, techniques such as transforming, cutting, chopping etc added the creative spice to the dish. 😉
I never what this term meant!... In hipbop this is just what djs do. Using the croasfsde once the tracks are are in or trnsforming on olfer mkxers... crossfading back and forth.
4:30 - What is your method for placing markers at 64 (or any amount of) beats before a drop? How do you figure out where it’s 64 beats before a drop? Are you counting backwards from the drop or can the software figure this out? It would be very cool and I assume totally possible for you to place a marker at the drop itself and then press a button that jumps back 64 (or any amount of) beats to where you can then place that marker.
When you go into rekord box on your laptop you can open up a song in performance mode, go to the drop. Then find the tab with hot cues, select beat jump tab, scroll across to 64 (or however many beats you want) and select forwards or backwards that many beats. This saves SOOO much time and I wish I knew it sooner. Goodluck
Surely switching to a cue point on the drop will make your mix not beatmatched because your timing will rarely be 100% perfect. Or are we playing in sync mode here?
If you adjust your gains ahead of time there's no need to mess with them live. I either filter out the secondary track a bit, or lower the eq's and volume just a tad. So the primary track can shine
I use double drops already but wanted to watch for some tips. I loved the Chase and Status one where you switch back to the drum buildup as the double drop instead of the actual drop itself. Gonna look for ways to experiment with this now. Just one question - do you set some kind of quantize on those cue points or are you just good at hitting it at exactly the right moment without having to make beat alignment adjustments?
this tutorial is actually very good regarding double drops, i did a dancefloor 2022 mix in my channel with a lot of the things he explains full of double drops if you want to check out how to put this in practice.
Because I mix dnb predominantly using the bpm slider usually takes far to long when I’m trying to go for things like doubles, switches or triples as I usually have my hotcues set 16 beats before the drop, I know how to beat match because with stuff like house and garage it’s not as quick. But dnb I struggle and have to use sync else I’ll miss the queen points. How do you change the bpm quicker than the bpm slider?
First two tracks yes, both jump up, solar system I'd say is dancefloor dnb, and no problem is probably jump up as well with jungle influences, might call it ragga dnb. Chase and status have a pretty unique sound
You can fix it by re-analysing the track at a higher range of bpm, like 90-213 or something on those lines, a lot of my DnB tracks were set at half their actual BPM and this fixes this, doesn't matter too much though in the grand scheme of things.
Also at 7:48 when you use Hot Cue A, that should for sure be a red line on that beat and 8:26 when you start mixing you can see that the other track's beat grid is correct and they don't line up
The best is when you’re an old school dj and you can read records. Since it’s all players now it’s easy to do quadruple drops. Oh how times have changed.
Yes, I hate seeing people use smart phones. I myself am old school, and still use Morse code and smoke signals. I also like to paint, but who needs to BUY paint? I'm old school and extract my paint dye from plants and other organic matter.
depends on how it sounds when you do that. if it sounds good then do it again. Also keep listening to music until you KNOW what will sound good and then you wont need to ask anyone if it sounds good or not.
It's not ideal. While 2 tracks could be perfectly in key it's still possible for basslines to cancel each other out if they aren't in phase. Having said that it can occasionally sound good doing this but generally isn't reccomended.
so it would be at 16 bars? when you say 64 beats before the drop? Sorry the maths side of things mucks me up sometimes, i do these double drops by ear and practicing over and over, but would be good to understand the maths behind it properly. Ahh my ADHD brain
There are a few ways. If you're familiar enough with your gear you can eyeball it. There are bar lines in the waveform every 4 beats. With a lot of setups, there is also a special highlighted bar line every 4 bars (16 beats). He's also using the "beat jump" controls to move around. They move the play head exactly a set number of beats. 16 beats (4 bars) is common, since that's the minimum length of a musical phrase in a lot of genres. So you just find the drop point and hit the "beat jump" button backwards 4 times. 16 x 4 = 64 beats.
That’s very cool but I think it’s mainly something that the DJ will do and everyone is just trusting that he’s not faking the sliders 😂😂 but the double drop sounds great 👌
This the only mix I ever uploaded on TH-cam. Crazy how it was 10 years ago now ! Has a few good examples of utilizing double drops for transitions in it tho. Have a listen 🎶 th-cam.com/video/f_s0Z3AV2ew/w-d-xo.html
13:50 This is terrible advice. Its far better to remember all of your tracks yourself. Force yourself to really know your music instead of having the computer handling it for you. That way you get to be a DJ instead of a “end user”.
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When I started, getting the double drop on point you really had to know the tracks like the back of your hand... to be able to see the full waveform in software is extremely helpful, definitely saves from some trial and error
U just gotta remember if the drops 22, 44, 1:06 or 1:28 when it comes to like 90% of Dnb songs
@@de3.pe3 16, 32, 48 or 64 bars ;)
Beatjump eliminates trial and error on the digi side, getting familiar with how fast the stylus travells across a record (assuming you can see the grooves) can be very helpful on the analog side. Obviously there is some variance with the latter depending on volume levels but you can still get a feel for it.
Doing it on vinyl with no cue points was hard going 😂
Yeah I'm an old school happy hardcore vinyl dj from the 90's, just bought and set up a ddj400 and downloaded a load of dnb and 140, can still beat match after all these years and picked up the bars and phrases with hardcore straight away but can't get the timings with the double drops. Only about 15 hours in so will keep trying
The secret is knowing your tunes, knowing the drops, reading the vinyl grooves or wave visual.
Knowing what tunes go well, realising that vocal into vocal is not a good option 😂
And then just practise ❤️
i resorted all my tracks into many vocals vs basically now vocals after i had realised that.. x)
Depends what the vocals are
Nothing like a surprise duet :D
This is exactly what I struggle with. SOmetimes it looks like it'll make total sense for me and then it sounds dogshit. Then other times the keys aren't supposed to go well together yet it fucking SLAPS. God, I just wanna get better at it, its so frustrating!
Fire starter drop literally was 🔥 🔥 🔥
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Setting a 8 or 16 bar loop on track b before its drop makes this process much easier
Thanks for the great tutorial. Double dropping is one of my favourite techniques to add more spice, energy and tension to my mixes. I use it a lot in my dirty progressive psytrance sets :) However, what I like to do is always create some space for the other track, either by using the hpf/lpf or by pushing the mids and highs a bit lower on both tracks, also changing them during the build-up to add extra tension and release. In my experience, the mixes sound cleaner, the volumes are better matched and you can hear what is going on in the tracks better.
Seems there’s a new name for everything. 😂 What is explained here is what I fundamentally consider to be...well...DJing. 🤷🏻♂️
BITD (25+ years ago), I relied on my track knowledge, phrasing and also looking at the upcoming vinyl groove patterns in front of the needle (the reason for those turntable pop-up lights kids! 😂) to achieve what is referred to here as a "double drop". Once tracks were saddled in, techniques such as transforming (using the channel’s line selector), cutting, chopping etc added the creative spice to the dish.
I really appreciate that he played it with the hot cue jump and without it. Helped to really see that every little thing can be a benefit to your mix.
Nice examples. My .02: find tracks that really speak to each other and use this technique sparingly. This was so much harder back in the vinyl days but you’ve really got your pick of the lot now - it should surprise and delight the listener. Blow a mind or two by cutting to an unexpected third track with an energy shift and then stab the first two back on their accents with the channel faders. Dialogue man.
I’ve done things similar to this, but I really like the idea that the outgoing track, we don’t have to keep the drop, we can hot cue back to a less busy section of the track before removing it.
I’ve never heard of this trick before so thank for learning.
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Double Drops are life
What a tune 2:50 , Dub phizix. Proper mad in a rave and a nice double that
This guy explains things very nice and calm. Kept me interested
The spacing tip is gold
I've been doing this since the 90s. Didn't know it had a name.
9:32 sounds hard in fairness, but EQ is king when doubling two major drops. In fact filter mixing is way better if you have a habit of double dropping tunes.
Vocals are so good for it too.
Also, am I the only one who gets OCD when seeing people not set beat grids? Anyone can play how they want obvs, just I am a bit too obsessed with beat grid setting.
You are a great teacher
Oh my days - more PRODIGY, please!!!
Super good demonstration! Love this guy
This was amazing! Can you guys do more DnB specific videos??❤
I’m still learning how to then come out of the double drop. Sometimes is a bit jarring. Still green 😂
I know I'm late, but I'm proud to have made my own double drops today! I mixed them using Ableton though. Here's what I did:
1. Culture Shock x Sub Focus & Wilkinson - Discotheque Illuminate
2. Synergy x Oliverse and MUZZ - Illuminate Unspoken
I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could review them for me. I'll send the audio files to those who'd be willing to help me! Thank you x
You guys read my mind, nice one for releasing this video :)
👊🏼 thanks for watching!
Wow was thinking I should learn double drops for dnb that’s awesome
Thanks for watching!
This whole video just melted my brain
I can't learn nuffink when you drop those jammin' beats, bruv! HAHA!
love that bro
Idk but neurofunk is way different when it comes to double dropping in key. I think that just comes down to neurofunk not beeing all to melodical :P. Also alot of stuff works together without really knowing your tracks ive noticed that when playing b2b sets!
Thank you so much 🙏🎉
Wow! Great video thanks guys,
Thank you!
thank you just came back from leeds fest and im ready to make some skanky bass lines
R u sure.
@@outsidewithdj He was not ready 😭
Sick guy
Nice 🙌 crossfader 🥳 well explained
Thanks for watching!
Excellent
thank
As a 20+ year DJ mainly DnB / Breakbeat.......... A "double drop" just sounds like (and I mean no disrespect)....... mixing. Working 2 tracks together, on beat, in phrase / key, and riding it till ..... probably the breakdown or the next 16 for another layer to come in on the 2nd record / track. Is that correct ?
I've just never heard it called that. It just sounds like mixing is being described to me tbh.
Exactly what I came to the comments to say and you saved me the time. 🙏🏼
What is explained is fundamentally…well…DJing.
BITD, I needed to rely on my track knowledge, phrasing and also looking at the actual vinyl groove patterns in front of the needle (That’s why turntables had pop-up lights kids! 😂) to achieve what is referred to here as a “double drop”. Once tracks were saddled in, techniques such as transforming, cutting, chopping etc added the creative spice to the dish. 😉
Nice one!
Strategy is fucking goated
amazing
Thanks for watching!
Your waveforms looks different. Can i know how to get this enlarged waveform?
I never what this term meant!...
In hipbop this is just what djs do. Using the croasfsde once the tracks are are in or trnsforming on olfer mkxers... crossfading back and forth.
4:30 - What is your method for placing markers at 64 (or any amount of) beats before a drop? How do you figure out where it’s 64 beats before a drop? Are you counting backwards from the drop or can the software figure this out? It would be very cool and I assume totally possible for you to place a marker at the drop itself and then press a button that jumps back 64 (or any amount of) beats to where you can then place that marker.
When you go into rekord box on your laptop you can open up a song in performance mode, go to the drop. Then find the tab with hot cues, select beat jump tab, scroll across to 64 (or however many beats you want) and select forwards or backwards that many beats. This saves SOOO much time and I wish I knew it sooner. Goodluck
Surely switching to a cue point on the drop will make your mix not beatmatched because your timing will rarely be 100% perfect. Or are we playing in sync mode here?
You can use quantise for this, sync doesn't have to be enabled :)
I was hoping for more of how to mix double drops in relation to levels and clipping and if adjusting gains is a good idea
If you adjust your gains ahead of time there's no need to mess with them live. I either filter out the secondary track a bit, or lower the eq's and volume just a tad. So the primary track can shine
I use double drops already but wanted to watch for some tips. I loved the Chase and Status one where you switch back to the drum buildup as the double drop instead of the actual drop itself. Gonna look for ways to experiment with this now. Just one question - do you set some kind of quantize on those cue points or are you just good at hitting it at exactly the right moment without having to make beat alignment adjustments?
Quantize is turned on for that transition. I only really turn it off when I want to do faster hot cue play 🙂
how do you know how many beats before the drop ?
Steal following your channel at 6 am in france 🌃
how to select tracks to play dnb EXAMPLE: should we download the exetended tracks
Alot of things you need to think about before doing double drops .... Like will I die ?! 🤣🤣😜
So a double drop is a mashup
I learned all this shit by myself without having to watch a tutorial.
congratulations
Cool story bro
Do you want a biscuit
Good stuff, where's he from? Sounds Barnsley or maybe West Yorkshire?
Leeds! 🙂
this tutorial is actually very good regarding double drops, i did a dancefloor 2022 mix in my channel with a lot of the things he explains full of double drops if you want to check out how to put this in practice.
Because I mix dnb predominantly using the bpm slider usually takes far to long when I’m trying to go for things like doubles, switches or triples as I usually have my hotcues set 16 beats before the drop, I know how to beat match because with stuff like house and garage it’s not as quick. But dnb I struggle and have to use sync else I’ll miss the queen points. How do you change the bpm quicker than the bpm slider?
what would the sub genres of both songs fall into? jump up?
First two tracks yes, both jump up, solar system I'd say is dancefloor dnb, and no problem is probably jump up as well with jungle influences, might call it ragga dnb. Chase and status have a pretty unique sound
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Where do I get one of those laptop levitators?
Triple flips come on
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Double drop usually involves sipping something 🤪... 🤫shhh!
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i liked when they both dropped together more
Yea def
could you do one for triples? would appreciate it
Just find me on Twitch and see it first hand. I'll give you a direct tutorial live.
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@@skaterzero07 Every Tuesday and Saturdays, 7pm ET.
Slightly off-topic question:
Why is the right CDJ unit showing 87 BPM?
Is an error on the part of Rekordbox?
Yes I think it's indeed a fault of recordbox, not sure what happend but it should be double the amount, so 174
You can fix it by re-analysing the track at a higher range of bpm, like 90-213 or something on those lines, a lot of my DnB tracks were set at half their actual BPM and this fixes this, doesn't matter too much though in the grand scheme of things.
@@looqaa297 it sucks when syncing
Pause at 7:25
I think the beat grid for No Problem is off, because the downbeat is not on the first beat of the drop. Am I wrong?
Also at 7:48 when you use Hot Cue A, that should for sure be a red line on that beat and 8:26 when you start mixing you can see that the other track's beat grid is correct and they don't line up
@@dietwaffles5907get to where you don’t need lined up beat grids like him
The best is when you’re an old school dj and you can read records. Since it’s all players now it’s easy to do quadruple drops. Oh how times have changed.
Read record?? Like seeing in line x theres more going on = the drop is in XY Bars?
Yes, I hate seeing people use smart phones. I myself am old school, and still use Morse code and smoke signals. I also like to paint, but who needs to BUY paint? I'm old school and extract my paint dye from plants and other organic matter.
Anyone a spotify playlist with this exact kinda dnb?
when double dropping, is it ok to have both eq bass in 12 oclock position [,the tracks are being mixed in key] or do the clash with each other
depends on how it sounds when you do that. if it sounds good then do it again. Also keep listening to music until you KNOW what will sound good and then you wont need to ask anyone if it sounds good or not.
It's not ideal. While 2 tracks could be perfectly in key it's still possible for basslines to cancel each other out if they aren't in phase. Having said that it can occasionally sound good doing this but generally isn't reccomended.
just dont do it. at least not at 12 o`clock
it *can* blow out speakers to have both at 12 oclock
Does anyone know what CDJ’s he’s using?
CDJ-3000
Isnt "Double Drop" just blending two tracks.
so it would be at 16 bars? when you say 64 beats before the drop? Sorry the maths side of things mucks me up sometimes, i do these double drops by ear and practicing over and over, but would be good to understand the maths behind it properly. Ahh my ADHD brain
But how tf he know that its 64 beats away from the drop? Can i move certain beats away from a cue? and how?
There are a few ways. If you're familiar enough with your gear you can eyeball it. There are bar lines in the waveform every 4 beats. With a lot of setups, there is also a special highlighted bar line every 4 bars (16 beats). He's also using the "beat jump" controls to move around. They move the play head exactly a set number of beats. 16 beats (4 bars) is common, since that's the minimum length of a musical phrase in a lot of genres. So you just find the drop point and hit the "beat jump" button backwards 4 times. 16 x 4 = 64 beats.
These days with drum n bass it’s almost harder not to double drop. Try not to overuse it imo
I saw that Quantize is not set on the second round of mixing Chase and Sub
Nice, can we see the same tricks on vinyl, now?
How do u know where 64 bears before the drop is ??
That’s very cool but I think it’s mainly something that the DJ will do and everyone is just trusting that he’s not faking the sliders 😂😂 but the double drop sounds great 👌
if you ain't double droppin 80% of yur set and cut n choppin them doubles...you ain't mixin son!
Fierce, Randall, Marky (the list goes on) beg to differ…
no ty
Sarcasm detected lmoa
Don't worry kids, just hit the, "Sync" button and you're good to go.
Secret? Lol
This the only mix I ever uploaded on TH-cam. Crazy how it was 10 years ago now ! Has a few good examples of utilizing double drops for transitions in it tho. Have a listen 🎶 th-cam.com/video/f_s0Z3AV2ew/w-d-xo.html
Jamie's looking a little rough these days, huh? :(
New skool djs are so lame 😮
Yeye but do you even dj?
'double drop' aka just mixing 😂😂
does not work with jungle, drunfunk or more sophisticated dnb.
oh man i totally dissagre 07:45 - that was proper switch
effn genzs.
:DDD
what you call "double drops" is just mixing two tracks together...
:o
I'm watching trying to figure out wth I'm missing lol
Anyone can do this now... yawn.. enjoy
13:50 This is terrible advice. Its far better to remember all of your tracks yourself. Force yourself to really know your music instead of having the computer handling it for you. That way you get to be a DJ instead of a “end user”.
9:30 I actually like it better like this
adding a new level?
guys double drop exist from the cassette mixing
today doesn mean much casue anybody can double drop or triple drop...