The Most Broken Character in Melee (is actually competitively viable)
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Super Smash Bros. Melee is a game that’s been played competitively for over 20 years without any balance patches that you’d probably see from more modern competitive titles like League of Legends and games like League of Legends…like Street Fighter.
But despite not having regular updates or buffs or nerfs or DLC, some characters in Smash have become secret pocket picks for very specific situations. Link.
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Honestly shout out to the insane production. Seriously, anyone who has video edited knows what an insane task it is to produce a high quality 20 minute video, all the green screen cutouts, the research, the footage of the matches, the keyframing, the transitions, humor, the script that needs to be written. Melee has some insanely talented content creators. Thanks for the hard work Walt, it's appreciated! Really wish Aklo beat Zain, but every loss makes victory taste sweeter.
I really appreciate this! I actually hit an unreal groove yesterday and banged out practically this entire video in a day LOL but it is definitely a big process! Hope to hear more from you soon!
@@turndownforwalt On camera stuff is awesome. It's great to have interview footage and the more it cuts down on needing additional b-roll and animations, the faster you can turn this stuff out and add in animations where they matter most, showing frame data, slow-mo plays, etc..
Big agree
I got into melee when me and my younger brother ran set after set of "swordfights" on our Gamecube. He would use Marth and I used Link. Final Destination. Every time. We were like 8 and 11 at the time so I hadn't gotten into the larger melee scene. It was just the two of us picking out the two coolest guys with swords and going at it. Seeing Link actually fighting with the big dogs warms my deeply nostalgic heart.
Now we wait to see how long until Link wins a major
Solo link or just or counterpicks?
With the huge asterisk of being attached to a Fox main.
Who is link bad against?
@@MaximumBloop all of the relevant characters except marth and a few others on FD
@@MaximumBloop spacies and sheik and falcon and probably yoshi
I played in the VERY EARLY days of competitive Melee. And Link was actually used for a solid year or 2. Kid, Kleister, Sixx...
Now that is super interesting! Melees history is very cool. I remember once on an infernoOmni video, he brought up links down throw up b being in contention to be banmed! Was there similar talks in your region?
back in the day they called him a “marth counter” lmao
Link back then in old school his “Up-B” was the best edge guard tool and it was pretty effective due to the meta not being so developed and players playing more stale.
Other than a “Marth counter pick” , back then the stage pick was also different, we didnt have the “standard” of having those 6-7 stages , so you could cheese on some stages like Rainbow Cruise LMAO
Anyways , Link also back then was one of the easiest characters to L-Cancel and it have a small advantage before players catch up skill wise. But yeah , thru the meta Young Link was better at some point because of Armada counter pick to Hbox puff and when other players start playing Young Link they discover more things from
him. Now Aklo is pushing the Link mainly as a counter to floaties and Marth on FD or on stages he personally struggle against those characters
Marth: "You call throwing a bomb around swordsmanship?"
Link: "Hey, as long as it works."
Nice one
Manifesting a reality where hbox becomes the Cuban Link to overcome his zain problem
After Armada's Yink... How the turntables
The Cuban Link LMAO god tier slippi tag
good u didnt give away TOO many of our secrets.... sincerely the Link Community. Also not giving hunybear, savestate, tpn, or zlow any mention is truly a crime.
Isn't savestate a pedo or something
ganonwalt jumpscare
AKLO with commentary cross-up reversal at the end hahaha
Are we 20TF now? (TF stands for Triforce)
It'd be better as 20NP because link gets no pussy
the year is 20TF
the meta has developed, and now the only viable characters are the 3 sides of the triforce: Link, Zelda (not sheik), and Ganondorf
This one's fun to watch for me. I had just gotten eliminated from my Splatoon bracket literally in the room in front of this one at Riptide, and me and my group were walking around the venue to see cool stuff, and I just get jumpscared by Link being on Winner's finals?
I'm not a Melee player but I do kinda follow along with what's going on with it and have a moderate amount of knowledge on the game but I just was not ready for it, I HAD to stay in and watch this live, and my heart sank when I saw the last stock on game 5 :(
Was still really insane to watch though! And watching this video gave me a lot more context for things that confused me in the moment :)
I've always believed that while the match up is close, what gives marth an advantage is the huge difference in x factor: marth always has dair on the table, which will kill link by 50% if hits, while link does not have something in that ballpark in return. And the slower games link plays makes this a painful difference.
The way you awkwardly stared into the camera after “but hey you know what would go a little bit farther? If you subscribed to the channel!” Made me actually sub, what a dude lmfao
I remember being very surprised when a Melee player told me Link was a counterpick for Marth 10 years ago
Seems to me that counter picks are one of the largest ways to raise the skill ceiling left in a 20+ year old game. It can add an entire extra dimension to one's game.
He’s also potentially viable in smash 64. I say potentially because, even though smash 64 Link has potentially the worst recovery in smash bros history (yes, even Little Mac and Ultimate Doc have arguably better recoveries), Link does have a chance due to the prevalence of Kirby and Puff in the meta. Those 2 are common in 64’s meta due to their relative ease of use compared to the other top tiers, and their easy combos, Kirby’s up tilt chain and Puff’s FThrow->Rest.
Link’s projectiles can zone them out, and because of their low weight, being able to pop them up to the top blast zone with both his Uair and Dair does give him a fighting chance. He struggles heavily against the other top tiers, but he can stand as a capable secondary for people getting into smash 64
The hitstun of that game makes every character but Luigi and Ness viable, that isn't special
Puff is not common at all. And Kirby is a little bit less common due to pika’s popularity. He is still strong but solo kirby mains aren’t a common occurrence. Though rare, Link, like all 64 low tiers, has some great players for sure but he is not viable unfortunately.
@@TDG386ness is probably one of the best low tiers at this point because his punish game is nuts lol
@@KBorg64 I mean I was at supernova and saw plenty of Puff players in the bracket. She's not as heavily used as Kirby, Pika, or Fox, but she has a place in the meta
Kirby still wins though.
1:50 The remix goes so unbelievably hard
I've been playing for 2 years, and I had no idea about the Marth crouch power shield tech. That's super useful.
As an avid lover of puns. 6 : 30 was much appreciated thank you. Awesome video! I'm learning so many cool editing tricks from you. Thank you for the inspiration!
Link easily on the come up. That super major win is getting closer and closer in sight
Zain doesn’t have a mid tier weakness people just don’t respect mid tier players
Yeah which is funny since they've been told over the years that "You people shouldn't be losing to these characters as those characters are straight up trash and unviable" lol
@@ClassicBentobox aMSa’s H2H on Zain would like a word
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Alright well all you have to do is ignore his H2H with Aklo, and with aMSa, and with Axe, and… hmmmm….
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The replay camera editing is so dope!!
Nice to see a Link video but I don't know if merely being close to 50-50 against a single high tier is considered viable. He's so much worse vs. any other high tier except Peach that any competent player who has a an actual pocket Fox etc. would just wipe the floor with Link instead.
As a counterpick, that can at least justify his use in tournaments. M2K's Fox mostly saw use against Jigglypuff and is still somewhat discussed today, and we have to mention that time Hbox pulled out Ness just to counter Armada's Young Link (which, in turn, was countering his Jigglypuff).
I don't know if it makes a viable main, but we could conceivably see someone counterpick Link in top 8 of a major, which would be hype as Frick.
sheik obliterates link as well as you'd expect from the mid tier destroyer
@@moobs Any high tier besides Peach and Marth walks all over Link.
@@dim3tapp link can at least combo spacies, sheik kills link in 2 neutral wins and is incredibly easy to do
@@btf_flotsam478 there's no reason for anyone to counterpick Link against Marth when Sheik exists though
In my Melee years I had a local Link that beat me pretty consistently called Spife, and I also had the opportunity to play against the then top level Link Skler. The matches against Spife, and especially Skler, really helped me learn the MU, to the point that the other low level Links didn't have much of a chance against my Marth, so I have a pretty good idea from memory what Link looks for in the MU. That was all to say, Aklo is _really freaking good_ . Link was already better against Marth than people realized, but Aklo does things that make me question the MU, from a (now) theory-crafting position.
Zain might dislike the MU, but Aklo is _really freaking good_ so he makes it look less like a 6-4 in Marth's favor and more like an even MU, maybe even in Link's favor on certain stages
really outdid urself with this intro
That’s mad impressive what Aklo can do with Link. Nobody else has a shot of taking down Zain with that character.
My friend in college used Link while he and I were cooking our college players. As a Marth main he was my worst matchup. Not only did he know how to do a lot of tech as Link, his up b can be brutal. It kills early and the sour spot sends Marth at a terrible angle if Marth overshoots the ledge while recovering.
1:46 "Ewww"
1:51 "Ewww Brother!"
1:58 "What's that?!"
Edit: Got Link Pocket against top tier sword boi before GTAVI
Loved the video. Its crazy how much it feels like your already great editing improved over the past year. Can't wait to see the next one
We got snake in melee before gta6
Always astounded by your creativity with your editing, but this intro might just be your best work
The fact that someone mentioned Aniki, takes me back. How long it’s been, wow
This is the year for mid/low tiers to get some love, hoping this’ll extend for the future of melee
The on camera stuff is great I think the passion shines through and you have good presence
0:16 Wait but...The red Walt wasn't...Link...
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Link has tools at many ranges, and while most of them aren't broken, the fact that he has decent moves in most situations is a pretty good advantage when it comes to fighting a character that excels specifically in the mid range.
this more on camera style commentary was goated would love to see more of this style !!!
Lol someone in the Marthcord literally said "You Marth's shouldn't be losing to DK and Link those characters are straight up trash and unviable" well I can imagine them eating their words now
The pausing leaving the game at the start was so well done.
I know it might've been simple, but it was clever.
Do you think Link's frame rate issue on his attacks will hold him back drastically? Or will a more disciplined game style correct that?
Also in that grand finals. Watching it back, I know it was probably nerves, but Aklo approaching Zain that early after spawn I think is what did him in.
i havent played melee in over a decade but i still love these videos so much
Walt has one bag under his eye for every green screen transition
lost my voice in the crowd at riptide screaming my heart out at the zain aklo set
Hilarious thumbnail, awesome editing, great pacing
W Walt
There will be a day when a Young Link wins a major in a losers runs against the 5 gods and borp and i will be there watching with my kid that i will have in 7 years more or less and Hungrybox will explode after screaming for 2 hours 34 minutes and 32 seconds, melee is sick.
Wait, are people only just now realizing that Link has a good or at least a better matchup against Marth than Fox does?
I thought we all knew that for a while now. I remember people watching whatshisname losing to that Link player and the commentary was all, "Yeah, this is one of Link's only good matchups against any of the top tiers." Or maybe they said, "best" or "least bad" but I dunno. I've mained Marth and always felt like Link wasn't an easy matchup specifically, but nobody ever put the time into the character aside from PM players who came over to Melee and decided that they didn't want to swap mains which is... not a lot of people to be fair, but it was enough people in my scene that I realized the character was actually decent back in 2015.
I’ve always loved the mid-tier counter but I draw the line at Link dittos. We can’t be doing that guys 😂
I can’t wait for the young link content in the future, it’ll be far away, but as of now there are cracked young links in the discord. I’m sure they will be noticed
No Hunybear mention in a link video right after he made the highest placement of a solo link main at a modern Major ever is big sad 😢
I like seeing melee link because oot link is literally me.
11:20 - Aklo didn't use Bair here, it's Nair. Specifically its the janky late-late hit of Nair that stays active long after Link puts his foot away.
How does he turn around? It looks like a left facing nair
That's definitely bair
That is how Link’s nair works but this is bair!
I've been maining Young Link for a couple months now. I think he's so much fun and im so happy to see the link representation from Aklo
You can't say it didn't have any balance patches after the Wobble ban in 2019
Link discord talks a lot of smack about acid drop. The consensus is that talking about it is setting link back, not bringing him forward.
yo this editing is off the hizzle fo shizzle, Walt.
Been watching for awhile but first time commenting. Just wanted to say that your videos are always incredible, informative, and the editing is a constant inspiration for someone newer to the process. Thanks for all you do Walt!
the irl edits are already fucking gold.
Marth is such a weird character. Random struggle mu's with lower tiers.
Will you do a video about Game & Watch in the future as well? While there is no recent reason for that, noone plays him, but I was convinced for years that specifically these 3 Mid Tiers, DK, Link, G&W are actually much more viable, only needs some genius to show the world
Glock in my Toyota has had some success with him recently.
@@RyumaXtheXKing
Really that's nice to hear
Common Walt W post. Been wondering what makes this counter pick good so was hyped to see this vid come up. Aklo also seems like a cool dude love that
Now do a video about why zain blinks so slow
technical deepdives on how matchups work ❤
The best character in melee is completely viable. Thanks interwebz, I never would have guessed
Man, I heard that Pizza Tower and Rivals of Aether musics!
What an amazing video. I have a newfound respect for Link and the people who play him
Incredibly well made video, also your hair is dope Walt
Doing calf raises to this video just to feel something
As a link main, this was so fun to watch
walt u a legend my man keep bussin these vids out cus we feastin out here
LINK TOO! THE RECENT MELEE DLC IS INSANE!
Now I kinda want a Young Link to succeed too
He and Mario a bit too stubby.
I though young was supposed to be better?
We had those couple times with Armada using YL for Hbox at least
Aklo is so sick. Thanks for showcasing his talent and sharing some neat stuff about link 😎
A link video and Hunybear isn’t mentioned?
We going to see any Rivals content? 👀
I could be convinced…
what a good video. ya knocked it outta the park yet again, walt :D
also, when dk link grands at a major
Absolutely insane intro. I loved it
Street fighter has had ONE dedicated balance patch. Might not be the best for balance patch comparisons 😭😊
I love all the editing, these videos are great
if you don't know what a character you've never studied before will do, just camp and watch
Someone will win a tournament with Mario and when that happens I’ll die happy
insane editing as always
If a dude can beat HBox with Bowser, anything can be viable
So many DLC characters being added to Melee! First DK, now Link??
i am Just Glad Link is Usable
Bro the thumbnail LMAOO
Among competitive fighting games, I never realized how big of a raging boner the melee community has for the word “viable”.
It’s really the year of mid tier characters doing well in majors I guess
Walter, you are my favorite melee nerd
So glad that Link's finally getting some attention tbh
I hope the Hero of Time wins a major. That would be really cool.
Top teir editing buddy.
Perfect thumbnail!
your videos rock man. one of the few channels i smash watch whenever new post. keep it up
How will this affect Venezuela's economy?
When I stopped taking the game seriously in the past 3 years I started using link.
He's very good. He's just too committal. Forward smash, Dash attack, up b, GRAB.
If links grab grabbed Ariel opponents, he would be beyond viable even if he had an actual chain grab.
But that's my biggest gripe with him as a character, for extra frames for a grab and all somebody has to do is jump to avoid getting grabbed. Especially with how good his grab confirms are.
Anyways, bomb is goated third. Best, projectile behind Shiek needles and Falco laser
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Walt =goat for editing
Question bout Link's Bomb jump; why does he need to throw it and hit it go to do another Up-b? Can't he just pull one out, hold onto it, up-b, bomb goes off in his arms and he gets knocked out of the free fall animation that occurs after up-b and just do another up-b again?
to my understanding, the explosion would simply be too slow if he just pulled bomb. If hes holding bomb, he could totally have it det in his hands for a bomb jump but he cant just pull it right then and there for that to work. Hence, hes gotta detonate it himself w/ unstaled up b