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I remember Hugs telling a story that after MOAST 3. People started to think Isai winning was a fluke. At that point Isai had never beaten Chu dat, so he posted on smash boards “I will beat chu dat at mlg.” And then 3-0’d chu, just to let people know there’s no such thing as a fluke.
Fun fact: the third wheel of this era, Azen, was briefly the best Mario Kart DS player in the world early into the game's lifespan, and, by briefly, I mean for literally less than a day
I had top 10 times on 2 separate tracks for about 3 months, but was mediocre at every other track. Yoshi falls and SNES ghost valley Usually finished 2nd or 3rd in online lobbies on other tracks
AN ISAI (and Ken!) DOCUMENTARY IN 2024!? I never expected another well put together video about this specific part of the golden age of melee. Isai is one of my fav players, he's got this intriguing aura to him. I really loved that documentary about him, super cool. :O
The scene in the original smash doc where they say "Mel was watching...and Isai went super Saiyan" and somehow the line wasn't cheesy at all and made me tear up
Awesome video Could’ve used more breakdown on the actual matches, I feel like there was not enough time spent on his comeback in the gameplay sense Really amazing editing thiugh
@@turndownforwalt i'm really hoping the community eventually figures out a tool besides frame by frame TASing to recreate old matches in HD. If I had infinite time I'd be doing a lot of that. We just need to make a tool that makes TASing much easier, and it feels like M-Ex has the pieces in place to make it happen.
@@shabe99 yeah, I had initially wanted to TAS a full HD remake of the set but it was just way too much work for way too little reward unfortunately. I actually don’t really know about M-Ex, I’ll have to check that out!
@@turndownforwalt tbh i think we should try to get a community bounty/kickstarter going to make the tools. Like they figured out how to make all the crazy savestate DI editors and custom characters, in principle we can make a UI to TAS ingame and export to a slippi replay.
I actually can see that and heavily relate - I like to play games socially. If it's for myself, I lose interest quickly; but, if friends are involved, I'm a lot more engaged. I was a big Isai fan. I always cheered for the underdog and he made Falcon look so good in his prime.
Loved seeing Caveman in this video. Caveman is such an integral part of Melee history, and there is such little content about him. Would love to see a documentary about Caveman and the Smash capital of the world, Crystal City
wasnt there some tourney where isai played with a tag that was a girls name and he like popped tf off? i forget which one that was at amazing video walt, truly wonderful content. never stop!!!
In the beginning where your talking about side kicks made me think of MKBIGBOSS and how when MKLEO was doing super good he would bring him along and MKleo ended up picking up ROB to help because Bigboss was plateauing and honestly I thought he was going to be forgotten soon after then now Bigboss has awesome matches everytime and pretty much never gets washed and never goes out without a fight and he got much better everytime I see him!
I have not heard 6 of the best players from the golden area in so long. Mainly the other three besides Ken, Isai, and Aden, plus there were Chillindude, Husband and Wife, Wes, and few other guys who were from east and West coast. I can’t pronounce since it sound like “the most” but a different word, but this was set in the grand finals, all the way back in early of 2005.
My Isai story: At FCD, one of my Indianapolis locals came running up to me after a first-round set, screaming "I just beat Isai!" I tried to celebrate with him, then after he left rolled my eyes and went over to him and kind of chewed him out, saying he was screwing over players later in the tournament by fooling around early and getting lower seeds. Sure enough, next round he was in my pool as a low seed. To tell the truth, at this point I don't remember the exact words that we exchanged, but at the end of our set, where I put up a fight but he won 2-0, he said something to the extent of "this is what you wanted right?" and I answered, "yep!" He got the 2 seed in our pool under Vidjo, eliminating poor entering-2-seed Green Mario in the process, then went on to the third round where he tanked all of his matches while I went on to the final Top 32 bracket. Isai in a nutshell lol, always loved the dude but kind of a TO's nightmare.
This kind of just felt like a retread of the key points from the Samox documentary, even missing some of the context from that video (that maybe it was because Isai wanted to win the cape that was a prize at that tournament). The production value is really good, and I want to keep seeing stuff from this channel, but I feel like it's a little bit of a waste using this very cool content making machine on stories that have already been told by someone else in ways that still hold up, especially with how ubiquitous the narratives of the Samox doc have become. I thought maybe this would challenge Samox's perspective or something, which I was excited for because I do think we're too uncritical of that single creator's point of view when considering our history. I would have been more excited for that kind of idea.
All very fair points! I’m not sure if you’re new to my channel, but this is part of a 10-part documentary series reviewing the best sets in Melee, so this was going to be covered no matter what. I don’t really think there’s another angle to what Travis had already presented in The Smash Brothers (especially in terms of just like, it being the same set), and I also don’t think someone already telling a story disqualifies others from covering the same topic, but I did lean pretty heavily into the hero/sidekick motif to try to give a more unique perspective. I hope that makes sense and thanks for the comment!
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I remember Hugs telling a story that after MOAST 3. People started to think Isai winning was a fluke. At that point Isai had never beaten Chu dat, so he posted on smash boards “I will beat chu dat at mlg.” And then 3-0’d chu, just to let people know there’s no such thing as a fluke.
I love that Isai still competes in 64. Its nice hes still around.
Him winning SSC last year was insane to watch. Felt good to see him win again
Do you know if he is still good?
Won ssc last year, so i would say so @@meee_5155
@@meee_5155he’s in contention for GOAT in 64
@@meee_5155 Give his games a watch!
I will always be blown away by the production quality of TDFW videos.
Really means a lot. I hope I can keep on impressing!
It's all about the passion
Fun fact: the third wheel of this era, Azen, was briefly the best Mario Kart DS player in the world early into the game's lifespan, and, by briefly, I mean for literally less than a day
Azen was like a beast on other games , like he could pick any "video game" and dedicate time into it and can become a beast.
Zgetto was the best at that and he was a top eu fox during like 09-011
Lfg
Azen Zagenite… ran into him online and he was so fast I thought he was cheating. 😭
I had top 10 times on 2 separate tracks for about 3 months, but was mediocre at every other track. Yoshi falls and SNES ghost valley
Usually finished 2nd or 3rd in online lobbies on other tracks
Isai was such a beast. He was the only player in 2005 to take tournaments off Ken. Without these losses, Ken would've had a flawless year.
Isai if he tried is such a funny meme but it really is crazy he was this gifted at the game but couldn’t enjoy it as much as he enjoys 64
Walt really said "What if Lemmino, but Melee?"
“Anachronistic tech” is the perfect description for just how far ahead Isai was during his time.
Thank you for covering the old days, I find them so interesting
AN ISAI (and Ken!) DOCUMENTARY IN 2024!? I never expected another well put together video about this specific part of the golden age of melee. Isai is one of my fav players, he's got this intriguing aura to him. I really loved that documentary about him, super cool. :O
The scene in the original smash doc where they say "Mel was watching...and Isai went super Saiyan" and somehow the line wasn't cheesy at all and made me tear up
My boy Brent D. Vickers killin’ it on the script here
🙏🤙
Dude the combo Isai starts at 6:17 is dope
Reverse bair -> upair -> edgecancel -> dair. Sick startup even for today. What a beast
Walt’s selection of music is just so crisp and amazing most of em are on my playlist.
Whats the track used at the beginning?i tried following the link in the description but i couldnt find it x.x
@GanonAutumn777 it’s called firecracker by Lemmino everything’s in the description btw
@@GanonAutumn777it’s called firecracker by lemmino
@fisherOD thank you
@@GanonAutumn777 you’re welcome
Thank you so much for this. Isai has always been one of my favorite players and stories. So I'm so happy you made a documentary about him
It seems like yesterday but yet also feels like 100 years ago.
Good stuff and keep up the content!
I just came back to that video because that intro is just so good The editing, the sound, the mood... very well done!
Man the editing and storytelling in your videos is really good.
Lovely video Walt. The content and writing is so clean and so precise great stuff.
this channel is so goated. insane production and style. thanks for doing what you do.
The amount of work put into this! 😱
You're so talented, your team too. Thanks for this amazing video, love from France ❤
Awesome video
Could’ve used more breakdown on the actual matches, I feel like there was not enough time spent on his comeback in the gameplay sense
Really amazing editing thiugh
In fairness I tried to limit showing gameplay because it's literally in 240p and some people may not be able to understand what they're looking at LOL
@@turndownforwalt i'm really hoping the community eventually figures out a tool besides frame by frame TASing to recreate old matches in HD. If I had infinite time I'd be doing a lot of that. We just need to make a tool that makes TASing much easier, and it feels like M-Ex has the pieces in place to make it happen.
@@shabe99 yeah, I had initially wanted to TAS a full HD remake of the set but it was just way too much work for way too little reward unfortunately. I actually don’t really know about M-Ex, I’ll have to check that out!
@@turndownforwalt tbh i think we should try to get a community bounty/kickstarter going to make the tools. Like they figured out how to make all the crazy savestate DI editors and custom characters, in principle we can make a UI to TAS ingame and export to a slippi replay.
One of the best melee videos ever, congrats!
Awesome video about a Melee classic! Love all the different media references that show just how crazy Melee is
the writing and production quality of this is insane. always a treat when you upload
love the story telling in this, can't believe I can just watch something as beautiful as this on TH-cam
The editing quality on this is just INSANE.
The production quality. Damn
Great vid
I thought the beginning sounded like a LEMMiNO video and lo' and behold, the track is indeed from a LEMMiNO video.
Just LEMMiNO
Loving the thumbnails they are very sick.
Good shit man love your content
You got me to play melee and I love you for it
Thanks
That thumbnail is hands down the sickest nastiest thumbnail art I've seen yet, shoutouts the the artist man I NEED more
Another banger Walt, well fucking done. Watching this kind of videos always make me want to boot up and play some smash.
Probably the best melee video I have ever seen
What in the ever loving style was that intro? That was so unbelievably above anything I could have previously conceived just wtf
Random thought
But it's crazy to think that both parts of Sephirothken's tag are now in Smash
He's named after Ken from Survivor, not Ken from Street Fighter
you should link to samox and the smash documentary in the description. you gotta respect your elders.
There are 3 guarantees in this world: death, taxes, and TDFW's videos being the best.
another banger, as always
Your videos are always so good!! you inspire me a lot
Awesome vid Walt! Keep up the excellent work!
Those opening credits were amazing. Also shield dropping in 2004 is absolutely insane... Great documentary, man.
This is the first time I pause a video to click on the like button within the first 15 seconds. What an intro!
The real sidekick to Isai is MEL.
Amazing video, keep this up man!!
I actually can see that and heavily relate - I like to play games socially. If it's for myself, I lose interest quickly; but, if friends are involved, I'm a lot more engaged.
I was a big Isai fan. I always cheered for the underdog and he made Falcon look so good in his prime.
What a masterpiece Walt, it so good that looks like a movie
Loved seeing Caveman in this video. Caveman is such an integral part of Melee history, and there is such little content about him. Would love to see a documentary about Caveman and the Smash capital of the world, Crystal City
underated channel
Isai is my favorite smash player. He has such a fun legacy behind him. This mystic that never wears off IMO.
I wasn't in the scene during this time, but it's always fun to hear about old school legends!
13:56 ONE PIECE MENTIONED !!
BRO THE EDITING IS NUTS
Isai is a Smash legend that will always be one of the greatest to ever do it. Mans deserves infinite respect
turn down for awlt
waltuh
"The best players are remembered... but legends never die."
Follow your heart, kid, and you can never go wrong.
You want me to whiff punish The Beast???
Beautifully documented. Isai the underrated goat🔥🔥
That intro was fantastic walt.
We love a Big Trouble In Little China citation!
Great vid Walt 👍
video quality is off the charts
10/10 thumbnail
INTRO IS SO CRISP🎉
This is what Melee should always be like. I miss the old days for sure.
Nice vid man, keep it up.
Based on the thumbnail I've been eyeing all week, I assumed this was gonna be about how Wizzy is the best in the world right now
wasnt there some tourney where isai played with a tag that was a girls name and he like popped tf off? i forget which one that was at
amazing video walt, truly wonderful content. never stop!!!
You are correct! He wore the tag MEL. it was this exact tournament the video is about!
@@brentos78 ah okay i didnt make the connection lol thanks for clearing that up!
In the beginning where your talking about side kicks made me think of MKBIGBOSS and how when MKLEO was doing super good he would bring him along and MKleo ended up picking up ROB to help because Bigboss was plateauing and honestly I thought he was going to be forgotten soon after then now Bigboss has awesome matches everytime and pretty much never gets washed and never goes out without a fight and he got much better everytime I see him!
The doc already covered all this
In LOTR I'd say Frodo and Sam are both sidekicks that are thrown into the hero role without knowing wtf is going on
I wished i've could witnessed this era of melee...
Im turning up for walt right now this was great!
I have not heard 6 of the best players from the golden area in so long. Mainly the other three besides Ken, Isai, and Aden, plus there were Chillindude, Husband and Wife, Wes, and few other guys who were from east and West coast. I can’t pronounce since it sound like “the most” but a different word, but this was set in the grand finals, all the way back in early of 2005.
The joke about Ike is because of his quote in Fire Emblem Path of Radiance: "I fight for my friends"
This is peak content
Never forget that Isai was so good at Smash 64 that it took the rest of the field a decade to catch up
bro dropped a movie on halloween and thought we wouldnt notice
My Isai story: At FCD, one of my Indianapolis locals came running up to me after a first-round set, screaming "I just beat Isai!" I tried to celebrate with him, then after he left rolled my eyes and went over to him and kind of chewed him out, saying he was screwing over players later in the tournament by fooling around early and getting lower seeds.
Sure enough, next round he was in my pool as a low seed. To tell the truth, at this point I don't remember the exact words that we exchanged, but at the end of our set, where I put up a fight but he won 2-0, he said something to the extent of "this is what you wanted right?" and I answered, "yep!" He got the 2 seed in our pool under Vidjo, eliminating poor entering-2-seed Green Mario in the process, then went on to the third round where he tanked all of his matches while I went on to the final Top 32 bracket.
Isai in a nutshell lol, always loved the dude but kind of a TO's nightmare.
People don’t know this but the true source of power pushing both Ken and Isai was Mana Cloud.
turn down for ult is the sidekick we need
Yooo, great topic already :D
looks like i am watching a well designed short film
a hero and his sidekick, Shrek and Donkey 😎
isai is the most important person to ever play the game.
Really well done video. Do you watch rhystic study? You both have similar styles of video editing
I've been a member of Sam's Patreon for a couple years now! He's a huge inspiration of mine!
@@turndownforwalt his videos are great, i can definitely see the inspirations there
4:27 I liked the little reference
Sick vid Walt PogChamp
4:33 note that he's still the greatest 64 player of all time. Anyone who picks a different player is a fool.
Isai was a time traveller
melee man, what a game
This kind of just felt like a retread of the key points from the Samox documentary, even missing some of the context from that video (that maybe it was because Isai wanted to win the cape that was a prize at that tournament). The production value is really good, and I want to keep seeing stuff from this channel, but I feel like it's a little bit of a waste using this very cool content making machine on stories that have already been told by someone else in ways that still hold up, especially with how ubiquitous the narratives of the Samox doc have become. I thought maybe this would challenge Samox's perspective or something, which I was excited for because I do think we're too uncritical of that single creator's point of view when considering our history. I would have been more excited for that kind of idea.
All very fair points! I’m not sure if you’re new to my channel, but this is part of a 10-part documentary series reviewing the best sets in Melee, so this was going to be covered no matter what. I don’t really think there’s another angle to what Travis had already presented in The Smash Brothers (especially in terms of just like, it being the same set), and I also don’t think someone already telling a story disqualifies others from covering the same topic, but I did lean pretty heavily into the hero/sidekick motif to try to give a more unique perspective. I hope that makes sense and thanks for the comment!
@@turndownforwalt I wasn't aware it was a part of a series actually, thanks for that context. I'll definitely go check out the other installments
I feel like I've seen this before!
Good film walter
Ken was on Survivor he's my GOAT
Isai is a legend
Summoning Walt
What's the song at start of chapter 3 and 4?
It’s insane how shit Ken is by todays standards but that’s just how far the game has come
Oh god Marth in the cover art 🥴
Amazing
I see Isai i click