submersible well pump repair
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- Franklin electric submersible pump.
Model 2445049004 1/2 hp
submersible well pump. This motor falls outside of my realm of knowledge. That's a nice way of saying,,,, I got no idea what I'm doing.
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When I was a kid, we called men like you geezers...and it was a high compliment. :-)
Well it's nicer than what the school kids call me. Fatty Mcfattemous. Kids are cruel!
And now I am one. If only I had know old age would creep up on me so damned quickly.
Brad you have some great replies, what a compliment to you to have such knowledgeable people who follow your vids.
I'm humbled and impressed.
All of the submersible pumps that I've seen used on the ranch use the Franklin electric motors, and they are not cheap. The 220v pumps seem to be throw away pumps. Every time I've had to replace a submersible the well water people leave them for me to dispose of. In the long run, they're cheaper to operate than the wind mills that had to be serviced every year.
Franklin is a great company, they make submersible well pumps! High Quality!
Yeah I've done a little research and they have a long history.
Judging by the other projects I've seen you pull off I have faith that you'll get this figured out.
+Carolina Prepper Getting it apart was 2/3rds the battle. Now that its apart,I can see what parts it need. it needs a stator, an upper bell bushing and lower bell bushing. If I can get those parts cheaper than buying another motor,it will be great.
@@bctruck do you operate in SA
Looks like a brushless motor. More than likely one of the bushings crapped out causing it to go off center and contact the side/tear up the metal. You should be able to put a new bushing in(more the likely the impeller side) and as long as the motor itself isn't shot, fire it back up.
Yup, that can be fixed if it hasn't eaten itself up. They've been selling that exact same motor since around 1950. Hope you can fix it, new they run a little over $300.
I found a parts list last night and today I'll see how much a new stator and upper and lower bushings cost. This has been repaired under warranty 3 times already. I'm betting all they did was flush out the bits and pieces and put it back together.
BCtruck, rebuild, repair,repurpose sounds like you've got a plan of attack! Hope it works out, wait for the update video.
Pump windings are all encased and sealed in the outer stainless cylinder. Rotor runs in water which lubricates the bearings. The bottom end bell of the motor which you took off first was the Kingsbury thrust bearing assembly; this is a vertical load bearing. I doubt that the top bearing wore enough to allow the rotor to wear though the outer case lining. Most likely had a tiny leak that allowed water to get into the windings and caused a short that cooked water or plastic materials which expanded (exploded) and pushed the inner lining into the rotor. Not repairable. Just get a replacement Franklin Electric submersible pump motor. The 4"motors are all standard mount 1/4 to 5 hp. A used one from an older replaced pump would be fine as it will not be at the bottom of the well if it would wear out and need to be replaced.
>>>Not repairable. Sad. I'm trying to disassemble a 5HP 3-wire motor now. Bought it off ebay years ago, and most likely got ripped off. It's probably junk too. It's just sad that 50lbs of iron, copper, and stainless steel have to junked.
@@danlefever6254 very helpfull reply. Just one thing... Can i use normal water inside for the cooling liqued?
Now I see why we get along so good lol.
+Liza Trainer Hehehehehe!!! The sad part is,this couldnt be saved. I could buy the bushings,but they dont sell the stator,which is the part with the most damage. I ended up buying a new motor. I got it super cheap off ebay. I should have it tuesday and by wednesday,the catfish will be happily playing in the fountain of water the new pump will create.
Couldn't find a nine but had an extra 8 laying around heated it up and bent it a bit works perfect
It looks like you already got some help on this one. Good luck.
Brushless inductive motor like Sixtyfive said check your bushings, also OHM your windings to make sure they are not open or when its wet they short out. In a last ditch effort to save it, if shorted to ( Wore into windings ), you can cook it in the oven ( low heat ) to boil any remaining water out of the windings, and dip in some varnish , not always a win, but if it's shorted what do you have to loose.
Thanks. This aerator is out in the middle of the pond and when I finally get the anchors removed and the thing pulled into shore,then all the nuts and bolts to remove it from its floating platform and the bracketry that holds the motor inside that,it's a couple hours of work. I'm gonna try and talk her into buying a new motor with a warranty.
Looks just like the motor from a submersible pump like my well had, that has been converted to an aeration pump. I'll poke around the shop tomorrow and see if I still have an old one laying around, I can't remember if it was the motor that went bad or the pump itself. If I find something I'll send you a message.
+rchopp Maqn that would be awesome! Im going to the big city tomorrow. Im gonna go to a pump and motor shop that the franklin dealer said was a local rep. Maybe he will have a cheap way out of this mess. The lady has lost about 100 fish so far. Mostly breem,but several monster catfish too.
CCI Also makes a pre-segmented version of the Quiet. Although for your Armadillo problem you may want the solid bullet; Opossum is another type of critter.
JP in MT
I have 3 tiger 1022,s. Two of them Ive done my bctruck tune,tweak and trigger work on. The third is bone stock. The CCI quiet functions flawlessly in the tuned up rifles but jams about every other round in the stock one. If I had subsonic,I would try that in the tuned ones and see what happens.
The problem is the velocity. Quiet's are bout 710 fps and subsonics are about 1050. That is why your "tuned" ones work better. The subsonics will still make noise, more than the Quiet's, that's why I use a "can" and Shorts. NO recoil and the neighbor (about 6' away) would never know of the critter's demise. But it is more money and a 6 month wait.
Did same one bottoms thrust bearing is called a kingsberry the sleeve bearings are carbon. Made sleeve bearings out of graphite impregnated UHMW and re- used kingsberry
Well Brad I have encountered this motor once in my life and it was in FLA.
It was in a Koi pond and same issue.
The S. Steel sleeve degrades and starts to flake.
It is a sealed stator and rotor but once compramized there is no hope
Prices range from 390.00 to 600.00 sorry to say she got me.
I shall be happy if you beat her but alas I feel it may be a cause best left.
John
Thanks John. That is exactly what has happened. This is the fourth time since 2012 this pump has failed. It was under warranty three times and I'm betting they only did the minimum to get it out the door and nurse it through the warranty.
+John Solar 283 ™ Funny thing John you were the first one I thought of when BC was asking for help. I had no clue but figured you may have something to give him a hand. Hope things are going well.
jman
Go to your local water well contractor and get a used submersible pump and harvest the motor off of it. They're the same.
I have faith in you ! Shhh go to the junk yard, grab a prius water pump and go to town :) You can do a solar pump instead.
This is a 12 amp pump. It would require a big solar panel but that would be a great way to go. This pump runs 24/7 but it doesn't need to. If it only ran during the day,that would be plenty.
There was just a knock at my door and some guy named Doc Brown and some kid named McFly were asking about where they could find you...something about you having part of their flux capacitor. Not sure what it was all about but their car was sweet!!!
Did you actually make contact with mcfly? If you did then you e interrupted history by altering the space/time continuum!! In my world there is a foreigner named Obama,who managed to become ruler of the world. I knew this couldn't have happened any other way!! I blame you!!!
Well I did offer them both some candied bacon that I had just made and after their 3rd pound McFly looked at his watched and exclaimed "Doc we are late we have to get back to 2008 and stop this travesty!" Doc said something about it not being a big deal, no one would vote for him and that the bacon was more important. So I blame the bacon.
Hey BC ...your subscribers are AWESOME..these tips and ideas are very very cool..your in my thoughts with getting a solution for your friend and her fish
Thanks!
I've seen solar powered submersible pumps that have a good lift (don't know about 12 feet, but definitely 8 or so) that are relatively inexpensive, so if you can't find a replacment motor in a sane budget range it might be worth setting up a small solar charging system, and just use a 12 volt solar pump. Once motors start eating their own jackets, its never a good sign. You'll be in my thoughts.
My god!! Don't you ever sleep? Solar is a real consideration.
BCtruck, rebuild, repair,repurpose Sure, I nap from time to time, but not with an older feral mama and 4 brand new babies in the nest room that aren't doing well. One baby was stilborn, and she's wanting to disown another (it has a club hind foot), so I've got my paws too full to sleep for a couple weeks. I use my solar water pump as an evaporative cooler sort of thing, works slick. Bet it would work equally well as a pond aerator.
good luck
+deenaj44 Thanks!
I hate 9mm. It fits nothing but one bolt that I have ever found, but I have to keep them in my tool box, just in case. BTW the metal "sleeve" is the seal for the field coils and the armature seems to have hit. Epoxy might do the trick. The armature bushings will have to be replaced.
Yep. It appears the worn bushings are what caused the inner sleeve to wear through. The stator sleeve isn't a serviceable item and they don't sell the stator. I had to buy a new motor.
Sad!
tep agreed w/ grayv ! 110V @ 10-12 AMPS WOW FOR A 1/2 HP IS WOW I'd say its done and set her up w/ something better !
I'm not sure what better would be. I'm thinking about a pool pump on her pier with some pvc pipe with a bunch of holes drilled in it
Did you get any good advice? I think I knew less about motor than you did. Good luck
Yeah it was new to me. I'm glad I tore into it. Now I have some idea how they work. Great advice in the comments.
I found it, sent you a PM. Schematic and parts list.
Got it! Thanks Rick!
+BCtruck, rebuild, repair,repurpose
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Eggggggggzackly what I was thinking!
I really doubt there is a way to fix it... just a guess but I think what your looking at is what seals the electrical part of the motor from the water....would account for the original cost. Just a guess ..
+Rich 372 I think you may be right.
I believe that is correct. It is actually more than that, I think. I think that water is pumped trough that 'jacket', to keep the motor cooled.
Hey I am trying to find out how to repair the cable seal on top of the motor
Fish tank sealant?
Maybe you can scrape all that metal out and put something in there too in case it like I don't know new metal have some sort if you can solder it in there somehow sending lots of prayers because I know how that feels that woman needs it but no money I get it I'm having the same issue
PROBABLY COST YOU MORE FOR PARTS TO FIX IT THAN IT WOULD COST BUY A DIFFERENT ONE
Wrinkle internally. Possible rotor rubbing
No way in replacing the shell
did you ever get this to work?
+mojoe60 nope. it was not repairable. i bought a new one for 300 bucks. her own stepfather sold this motor for 1600 bucks. what a thief!
call support.
Personally, I'd put a fork in that steak, its done..... Once you tear through the stainless insert, I'm not really seeing a way to seal it again. I'd just get a cheap sump pump and make something functional until you can find something better.
Sump pump is what I'm using temporarily now.
couldn't you temporarily arc a garden hose into the air and achieve the aration for the fish.
or in my little pond I have two small aquarium air pumps.
Right now I'm using a sump pump with PVC pipe with holes drilled in it to rain back into the pond.
THAT IS YOUR BEARING IT DROPS DOWN
conserned citisone nope! There are no bearings in it. None.
These motors are not designed to be repairable. As a couple of the commentors point out, the parts and labor would exceed the cost of a new motor. Also, for those of you buying through the internet be aware that most munufacturers will not warranty failures even if they occur during the warranty period. A professional installer that is educated on these motrs and their proper installation should be consulted to help insure against premature failure when this equipment is reinstalled. They typically last many years, mine is 26 years old.
Intended to say they will not warranty products purchased through the internet.
Michael Keen Sr. this motor was repaired twice under warranty, so obviously they are designed to be repaired. "Consult a professional to make sure it's properly installed". Boy did you stumble across the wrong channel.
Michael Keen Sr. that's not true either. This motor was purchased through the internet and it was rebuilt twice under warranty. The third time it went out it was no longer under warranty.
searched part list ?
Yep. I'm gonna find out how much the parts I need are as compared to just buying a new motor with a warranty.
BCtruck, rebuild, repair,repurpose
Probably those pump not for extented use but casual (I got 150m delivery pump, powerfull for cheap,
but rust on exterior tube after only one year immersed)
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That is a joke on the price you can buy a submersible septic tank pump for 200 ish an plumb it to Pvc An make a spray system with pvc above the water to make it recirculate it will have plenty pressure when reduced down a size or 2
1- septic pump little giant will run 3 sprinkler heads surely it will do the pond just fine it can be wired direct with a breaker an timer to run it in cycles
Its absolutely a ripoff but this wasnt mine. I was fixing it for someone else.
Ouch, Not a clue buddy
That makes two of us!!
I'm working on a similar pump today, the numbers are 244 504 6110. can you tell me where you bought your pump?
Billy Horton I bought it on eBay. Cheapest place I found.
Thank you
295.00 ON EBAY
Thanks. That may be the route I go.
+BCtruck, rebuild, repair,repurpose bought it today. Thanks.
Im glad it helped,the prices varied all over the web and that one was the best.