Powder Coating At Home With Amazing Results!
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Guys, it has been too many years since I've done any powdercoating. Happy to show you that powder coating can be done at home with amazing results.
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What should I powdercoat next?
Frame! Or subframe? Or bars? Or wheels??
Hubs
The rims and the hubs :D maybe also the bars ;)
all of the above ^
Frame for sure
This is like a baking show for men
Except that it's a how-to that women enjoy too.
@@combatgirl38 ok
I saw other guys taking apart metal toys in 40 pieces , paintstripping , sandblasting, welding, grinding, putty it, sanding and powdercoating and put it together in video,s of 10 minutes...
and they dont talk!
@@combatgirl38 feminist
As i am working in powder coating industry too, some helpfull tips:
- you should put the ground on the grid and not on the piece as it will leave you with uncoated marks. Use copper link between grid and the piece
- preheating or not depend also on the powder you choose and the thickness you want
How does preheat effect the thickness? Does it make it more thick?
as a 8 year pwdr coater i gotta say : love the enthusiasm but never ground from your parts kids and recoating doesnt require the part to be hot . thats what the kv setting is for , first coat you spray higher kv second coat or "recoat " you spray lower kv
Preheating depends mainly (I think) on whether the powder coat compound is a thermoset or thermoplastic, and should just follow the powder manufacturer's application instructions.
@@vadaszmate1400 no
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I've found that sanding the part with 80 grit, (specially on factory powder coated parts) before applying the paint remover makes the remover work faster. Good video!
For hard to reach places on your part, you can put acetone on a sprayer and then blow it with compressed air. That will remove any oils leftover.
As soon as I saw the bags, twisted, folded over and a giant zip tie I knew you got your colors from prismatic. I've had nothing but great success with their stuff.
The spring looks great!!
Fascinating! I'm an avid DIY guy and always wondered if powder coating could be done at home. That finished project looks fantastic! Thanks for sharing the process.
I'm wondering if a heat gun used from a sensible distance would work almost as well as an oven and quicker i would think?
Hello Cameron, Thanks for the video. Although I am an old guy, I am restoring a 1983 Honda XL 500 R. I am new to powdercoating but now I will do likewise for my rear coil spring. I use a friendly paintshop over here in Brittany, France. Thanks again.
Hey Cameron, I see you've removed the top burners from the stove. I had a similar setup some years ago. I placed some fiberglass insulation in the space left by the removed burners. Then placed a 3/4" piece of MDF on the top bolting to the metal top with some lag bolts in each corner. That made a nice work-top. The insulation and wood top also serve to insulate the stove for uniform temperatures. I never had any problems with the wood burning at 450f the old metal top took up most of the heat that made it through the insulation. The spring turned out really nice. Best of Luck, Tom
Great video except one thing. Don't ever sand blast or glass bead springs. It acts like shot peening and changes the surface tension in the spring steel and your springs will have a different height, and compress / return rate.
It may not matter depending on application, but when I was going to the Dana / Spicer Tech school in Toledo Ohio, to prove the theory, our instructor took two identical new valve springs, glass beaded one, and we tested it on a valve spring tester.
The glass beaded spring was almost an 1/8" (.125) taller, and lost a significant amount of pressure at the same assembled valve spring retainer height. I was surprised at the amount of change, and thought I'd possibly save someone from damaging their springs.
Keep up the great content.
I'd be more concerned with that oven destroying any heat treatment that spring had!
@@chasepalagi7675 That would make for great content for some enterprising TH-camr. Take three identical springs. Valve springs would be perfect because they're small and come with tension specs at a compressed height. Check height and tension, then glass bead one, heat one up to the temperature of powder coating, then put them all side by side and see what the free standing height is , and then what the tension is at a given compressed height. You could obviously test with two after testing, but it would be cool to see all three versions side by side. Excellent point on the possible heat damage.
Now where do we find a TH-camr to carry out this experiment ........ 😀
heat will cause the same effect
Chase Palagi - Springs are tempered much hotter than 450 F, not to mention the spring, being as thick as it is, isn't in the oven long enough to even equalize at that heat, so most the heat is really only on the surface of the steel. In other words, it shouldn't affect the original temper.
@@lsubslimed : Also let the springs slowly air cool at room temeperatures, and not accelerated cooled, lets say dipping in water.
This is the third video I’m watching from your channel.
The level of detail is what got you another subscriber. Thank you 🙏
I had no idea that you could powder coat at home with such awesome results! Man that chrome looked great. I am going to look into getting a setup for powder coating, thanks!
restoring my 1979 KD80 and this convinced me to powder coat (black) all the original parts. very cool.
Do you still have it? Use to have one a few years ago, I loved it
Omg pleas reveal where you got the rebuild supplies, I need a piston and ring for mine but cant find it
Definitely my favorite cooking show!
First time viewer, I like your style. Simple informative and great results. Thanks for the video!
Great job! The chrome coat was impressive by itself. Love the transparent red too.
that spring looks delicious
This video makes me remember your really old video from like 5 years ago when you did tutorial how to powder coat engine parts. Keep it up my man!
What is that logo as your profile pic. If you made it: that is sick.
This comment reminds me of when you watched the video until the four minute mark and acted like you were there from the beginning...lol
Sweet, that came out really amazing.
Never knew you could achieve that effect with powdercoating.
Great video. Thanks 👍
This was AWESOME! What a satisfying, almost mesmerizing video to watch! The results look perfect too! This was a very well made video. I watch a lot of videos, where the creator seems to leave out important information, or is vague about something. This was perfectly informative and very thorough. This really makes me want to do my own powder coating!
As I am a powdercoater you can powdercoater right after it comes out of the oven. For a better finished it’s best to do it right way :)
Tyler Nadort hey I have a question, is it a good idea to powder coat right after heating the part up? And at what temperature would be good
Also a powder coater. Not actually necessary to leave the heat In The item. If you have a decent gun you can half the voltage and it goes on no problem 👌👌
I coat everything hot
I do a ton of custom but mostly industrial . Just got a 10x10x30’ batch oven
I'm also a powdercoater, at our shop we coat the parts cold then put them in the oven. Usually comes out great
Great video! i might add one caution not that many people would run into it. That bio degradable aircraft paint remover was still relatively new when in my Marine squadron in the mid '70's I got the task of doing some paint removal on big aircraft parts. We nicknamed that remover "whale snot" something I call it to this day. The caution is this. Do the whole thing at once. Do not apply any more than you can scrape/wash off before it starts to dry. If you get tired, do not take a "lunch break" in the middle of removal after whale snot application if you are doing lots of parts or work. If that stuff dries... It dries as it looks. All bubbled up and flakey. With the strength of steel damn near. Annnd another app of remover now, will not touch it. It will need hard core sanding and grinding off.
Amazing work Cameron! Very informative and exciting to watch how it's all done!
at my previous job there was a powdercoating (production)line, with pretreatment chemicals set to 60 degree C, they were dragged along for 15 minutes before getting hit with the powder. Basicly cool your part to about 45C and you are good to go. These were oiled metal parts and did an alkaline degreasing and cleaning (2 stages with rinsing and rinsing after rinsing) of the parts. Afterwards they went in an inline oven to be baked. taking material thickness and line speed into consideration it was from 75min to 110min on temps between 210 and 280C.
I just wanted to tell you you're an amazing person and to keep up the good work :)
When you get done with this do a 500 so you can have all of the CR's lined up with each other
I can't believe how easy it is to powder coat and achieve amazing results!
I've been spray painting for years, i've only recently started using candy colors
as i don't pay for paint so i get to try some cool colors!
But i can tell you after watching that, powder coating is a picnic compared
to spraying acrylic, 2pac etc.
I guess your limited though with only being able to powder coat metals.
Dude awesome video. Car here looking to learn a bit about powder coating wandering if I’d be able to do it myself and you gave so many little tips and showed exactly how it’s done. Definitely will be looking into starting to do this myself. I hit that subscribe button man you earned it.
That's going to look like jewellery on your bike. Nice job.
Here qi0
I never realised this was something you could do at home. Brilliant job!
Got u a sub playa, been cerakoting for couple years and looking to start laying the powder and stumbled over here. TH-cam obviously recommended given my search and gonna thank the homie cuz can’t wait see how this turns out and your previous vids. Looks good broheim
I have to say I had very little interest but now I'd love to try this! highly impressive results dude! Great job!
What a fantastic painting, this painting looks beautiful.
You could have as well hooked the alligator clip to the oven grille instead of the spring.
Or even on one of the diamond hooks he was using, I work as a powder coater on a paint line and our whole line is grounded and it just travels through the hooks and works perfectly fine
Does the area that the hooks set at and the gator clip not get any powder coat on it because of them being "blocked" or does it do a pretty good job of getting it still since it's "grounded/electrified"?
@@dakotamaatman1598 There is usually a small hook shadow, but that can just be touched up with spray paint.
But he didn't, so what?
@@famousforever8556 lol hes pointing out what he could have done so he could get full coverage.. just stfu you pansy little bitch
Your video 5 years ago about powdercoating got me to start testing out coating, now I own my own powdercoating buisness 🤘 been doing it full time for the past 2.5 years
That's crazy man! Hope it's going well
Thanks for inspiration Man! That spring came out bloody nice!
Mask and eye protection a must do.
And environment protection as well.
Nice job man, looks absolutely awesome! Thanks for sharing your experience with powdercoating.
Great video thank you bro as a student in industrial/aerospace painting I have found my way with powder coating and its great for the environment
You can mix powdercoat with thinner and spray with a conventional gravity feed spray gun. I have even used it through an air brush. With spray gun and airbrush you can do fades and such. I mix in a plastic bottle with marbles and strain, as the powder can be susceptable for lumps.
If the spring isn’t closed fully at each end, it’s very easy to thread heat shrink tubing onto the spring. Light oil helps get it on and protects underneath when the heat shrink is shrunk. You can get a lot of different colours and the final piece is a thick plastic coating and will last for ages.
evilution great idea I'm going to give it a go
It will also trap moisture inside and rust ...
Not a good idea. Sorry. You will end up with rusty, weak, springs covered in faded, stained and brittle rubber. Shrink wrap isn't designed for that application.
If your going to do that just plasti dip them.
Love your idea but I just had a spring crack on me (car) and that was because of ONE tiny spot of corrosion ... so the "light oil" probably won't be enough. Better do a proper passivation first, the the oil... also, there is heat-shrink with heat-activated glue on the inside (in that case I'd drop the oil thing)...
Great video!! Speaking of suspension is it a necessary maintenance to change the oil in the shock?
GRIPTILIAN 511 only if your seal rings are leak
Your suspension definitely needs to be serviced regularly. I'm a B rider and I service mine every season. fresh fluids and a revalve definitely make a difference and it helps keeps your parts from wearing as fast. Don't wait for your shit to start leaking to service it.
So happy to see. Thankfully.
This was amazing. Simple to the point and it looks KILLER.....
Damn that chrome looks really good, I didnt expect it to look that chrome
"I didn't expect it to look that chrome" Lmaoo 😂😂
@@lordsumitsah you know what I mean 😂
When heat treating items such as springs you need to keep in mind that you will alter the spring rating of the spring steel. So try and be careful of the temp in your oven and the duration of the heat treatment.
How do you be careful when the temp range is necessary?
I was just wondering whether or not the oven got hot enough to mess with the spring steels' tempering ?
Awesome video bro, that spring looked sweeeeet!
Awesome video. I have been considering powder coating myself but was a bit overwhelmed with the idea. Great instructional video!
Wife: Finally he's not in the garage and cooks a meal in the oven.
Me: He'll yeah boy these springs will look awesome!
Will the aircraft remover remove any and all of my aircrafts?
I accidentally sprayed some in the stunt plane I was once in. I had to open my parachute.
Be careful with polish remover if you are a Polak.
Lucas LLorens. My first job as a apprentice aero engineer was paint stripping inside a fuel tank, I still remember that stuff dripping down my back!
351cleavland is 9
@@hintzofcolorconcepts omg thank you for posting this. Disaster averted
Those results are pretty amazing
Excellent! Some really good, clear advice on such a sketchy subject.
Nice looking end product.
Thanks for sharing.
It's gonna look like the Factory Honda's do! Thanks for the awesome videos and explanations!
Cameron, first off I'm new to your channel and love it already. Question for you, were you worried at all about heat from the oven changing the molecular structure of the spring?
In blacksmithing we temper knives after quenching to slightly soften the metal to make it strong and not so brittle.
Thoughts?
not much of a concern i guess, since the spring is also powder coated from the factory. recoating with far less heat wouldn't change the properties of the material tho. but i could be wrong
There is not enough heat for it to change that spring. The spring would have to be Red hot in order for it to change shape
Just gold, thanks cameron!
Great job done by Cameron Niemela 👍👍 nice and informative project with practical👍👍
Great video!!
I hardly ever Comment on TH-cam vids, but I can't resist this one,, Very Awesome Video, great job and excellent explanation,, Keep it up,
Hello there, I know nothing about this stuff so watched out of curiosity and was really happy to see how someone turns an ordinary thing into something special. I collect alarm boxes in the UK and resently had a go at spray painting na box orange to give it a new look. It was enjoyable and I suppose this must be too.
Stay safe and take care.
That spring color is rad. Thinking I may get a set-up now.
Also... sorry I forgot... DO NOT USE A RAG AS THE FINAL TOUCH. even a micro fiber rag will leave contaminants... use a clean burning bunsel or gas burner ALWAYS. Not a lighter or candle..
Not sure if the yellow was an attempt to look like Öhlins :-)
The red you made is mezmerizing and fits to Honda much better.
Thumbs up for disposing the mess in responsible manner.
Karel Fortl Lol, yea - I caught that too. Responsible manner = garbage > landfill > watertable 🙃
Degreaser in the sink? Not sure if that is biodegradable.
Amazing... Never thought powder coat can be this much awesome.. A pro job...
Man that looks sick!!!! Nice job
dang i had the same reaction Eric from 'That 70's' show had when he was tossed the keys to his dads old car "BITCHIN!"
How is the powder coating affected by the compression/rebound of the spring? Is it flexible enough to cope or would it start to chip off over time?
Good question but Powder coat becomes almost a plastic instead of regular paint. Therefore it should be able to hold up to the flex just like plastic would. Powder coat is really chip resistant
Springs hold up great with powder coating. Stock springs come powdercoated along with most aftermarket.
Cameron Niemela love your work on TH-cam and business as well m. But you need to upload more often haha
Brodie Bennett powder coating is very durable if cured correctly. You should be able to take a large flake sample and fold it onto its self without it cracking. It will handle the movement of a spring.
Powder coat is a plastic. It's basically powdered plastic. Similar to laser printer toner. You should really wear a dust mask when working with powder coat. You don't really want to breath it too much.
Legit. Legit. A+ result at the end there even if the process didn’t go perfectly.
Outstanding perfect work of art, thanks for sharing it with us. 🙏🏼
Powder coat the foot pegs and triple clamps the same red color as the shock
Foot pegs would look good as that chrome color so it looks titanium
Never look like be like
wow this guy is more baked than the spring!
Yeah, and?
Cameron, I am truly impressed. Nice job, great video. Thanks!!
Would the heat of the oven change the heat treatment of the spring?
“Majority of the paint was eaten by the stripper” lmao
I chuckled at this exact part too. LMAO
Always wondered what else people who laugh at "I just blew a tranny" find funny
Man that spring turned out sweet, i build alot of project bikes my self and just happend to come acorss your videos you just earned a subscriber.
Thanks Tony!
About to try PC'ing for the first time, great tips, thanks 👍
Is that chrome powder coat conductive? How will the red powder stick into it if?
booger king
It doesn’t need to be conducive, if the base is. It uses static electricity to hold it on, like a balloon on a wall.
Also, the red stuck because the chrome was still sticky from the heat. I think
So you do need to be careful to make good contact with the base metal with the earth clip after the first coat? Easy enough while the first coat is still soft I suppose.
My understanding is that it's not good to heat Springs up like that it takes the tamper out of them
mr hambuger That depends on how hot you get it, the oven heat shouldn't hurt.
You need to heat most spring steels up to around 1400-1500f for the annealing process, most ovens max out between 500-700f. My home oven will go 550f cooking or 750/800f on a self clean cycle.
@@ryanwilson_canadaWho knows what steel it is but I'd bet it is something with .6% to .9%carbon. Probably something like 5160 and the ideal temperature for tempering most spring steels would be around 700°F
That is not to say that it can be done under that temperature.
@@chasepalagi7675 yep. Tempering can start to be done at 200°C (about 400F) and it modifies the microstructure of the steel. It shouldn't be done on springs, cuz they'll probably have a plastic deformation as soon as you mount them again.
Nice....looks like another skill I need to pick up. I know the most tedious part is the prep work for powder coating, but the end result is worth it.
Wow, that spring is a beauty!
Wear glasses/goggles and a respirator
I agree 1000%!!
Hi there.A spring is made by hardening, and then tempering a coil of high-carbon steel. When you reheat hardened tempered steel in an oven to 350 or 450 degrees, you can change the temper and thereby change the characteristics of the spring. Essentially, you can make it less springy. If the part heats unevenly, it will be even worse. The temperature required to change the mechanical characteristics of the spring varies depending on the specific alloy used to make it and on the length of time the spring is held at temperature. Unless you are able to cut off a small piece of the spring to have it tested, you have no way of knowing the alloy used, and so have no way of determining whether baking on the powder coating is going to change its springiness. (Often, they are made of 5160, but on a Japanese motorcycle shock, who knows?)It's very cool to see the powder coating process, and the finished part looks great, but it is a terrible idea to do this on a spring unless you are able to keep the temperature very low for a very short period of time. Sorry for the turd in the punchbowl.
r11449 typically to adversely effect an items temper it must be heated to its original tempered heat. That’s not to say it may slightly degrade it but I would say decades of powder coating springs would prove it negligible in this application.
350F is only 175C there will be absolutely no change to the structure of the steel at this temperature. A quick look at a phase change diagram for a generic high carbon still or a stainless spring steel shows no structural change till 750C. I'm sure his spring will be fine.
You are not exactly wront. But not exactly right either. As a blacksmith for the last 20 years, tempering is a large part of what i do. 350 to 450 is too low of a temperature to affect an item of that thickness. If it was 20 gauge then 450 could changw the twmpwrature.
It's not hot enough to ruin the temper.
The oven may be set at 400 but that heating element looked red hot at 700 to 800 . It will create hot spots and can 800 deg alter the spring ? You may not change the hardness but you can change the temper. Or spring rate.
Very detailed, super easy steps and great video. Thanks a lot.
Great work.... Great clarity and simplicity...... Powder coating made easy
"toss the paint stripper in the garbage" is the responsible way of disposing it? :)
Maybe taking it to the harzardous substances disposal site would entitle better to the "responsible" term :)
Add vinegar then bin it
You're doing it wrong bro! You're supposed to sniff the powder!
@@infidelsinc3482 you ever thrown a dead hooker off a bridge?
@@mikeeaston4431 is that an invitation? If so, I'll bring the lotion
@@infidelsinc3482 hahaha
he already did that cant you tell?lol
@@infidelsinc3482 who killed the Hooker?
Wow! That really came out nice! Great job!
Really beautiful work. Perfect color choice.
This Dude died a week later.
Yeah, no breathing protection while paint stripping nor powder coating. You only get 1 set of lungs dude.
I worked at a big trailer place that used metal flake blasting and large powder coat ovens. Everyone was breathing in metal dust and powder. Everyone is still fine.
Say good bye to your spring, you cant heat parts like that
Haha 500°F isn’t going to hurt anything. Heating it until it turns red at 1200° would be a diff story.
Well done man.... Loved watching this
i never knew they made chrome powdercoat. nice work!
Dude that's sick. And super easy I'm definitely buying one.
Bro your videos are amazing and think it's awesome how u show us everything with amazing footage
as a powdercoater i would say you did pretty good. a few things i would do different but i believe you did them that way because you are at home instead of a shop so i wont nitpick. good job
Great results... looks really cool in that hot red.
That's pretty sick dude! Great job
Am wanting to get back into repairing quads and my bikes and now Getting into hydrographic dipping and after seen what you done with power coating I may have to get into doing that too thanks
This made it so much more understandable
At least you admitted that you put the red on. It turned out awesome and yeah it looks great!! 🙂