Chris is my cousin in law, and he’s put an insane amount of time and effort into growing his business from its humble roots as a side project in the garage. Super stoked to see his hard work pay off!!
@@velocitypowdercoating7670 I see you only have 1 vid on your channel. I was hoping you made videos. You should do aesthetic based videos on powder coating things. I would watch it all day!
I've been doing powdercoating at home for a while now, Eastwood makes a fantastic powdercoating kit that comes with everything you need including masking tape, plugs and 1lb of powder. Pair that with a used oven and a harbor freight sandblast cabinet and you have a setup that will allow you to get good results for years. I highly recommend it for anyone who maybe has multiple projects that they want to paint themselves. Cameron Nimela has a great video showing how to do it well
His brother has a lot of videos on it as well. I noticed in this video he didnt keep the hopper steady or even with all the shaking which probably didnt help with an even feed
Lol I was just gonna bring up the Eastwood products. I've used them a lot and yeah a blasting cabinet is excellent. The parts have to be clean and grease/whatever free. We have a standard kitchen oven in the family shop we do all kinds of stuff in. I've never tried wheels but valve covers and whatnot have been a breeze. I don't see why we can't do anything that will fit in the oven though 👍
@@michaelevans2989 fry the parts you're trying to degrease? Lol I see where you're going with that but I just imagine people putting parts in fryer oil 🤣.
I'm forever impressed by Zach's willingness to scrap everything during a project and start over if there's been a mistake or other factor that's going to lead to a flawed result. I think most folks would go "eh fuck it close enough" and press onward instead of rolling back and starting again. You can tell he's really dedicated to showing the level of quality that is possible in DIY but also how much effort it takes to achieve it. He's really giving it his all to try and match the professional grade result but also giving a fair appraisal of what is and isn't worth it in terms of effort and cost. I know that's the whole point of this segment but still. Exceptionally well done.
Well i mean a powder coated valve cover means you went the extra mile from spray paint/wrinkle paint so you when you want to show off the vc itll look good i would do the same if im not happy, if its a part with function same thing as well i wouldnt want rust to build up because of my fault for being lazy
Zach seems like such a genuinely good and hardworking guy, I automatically love any video that he’s in. I can really relate to him, I’d like to think that I’m the same kind of person.
Zach's reaction to the fact that getting the valve cover powdercoated was already cheaper than what he'd pay to DIY it immediately got my like. Nearly killed me.
Was not expecting that. Usually DIY is like, "save a little money for a little shit" this one was INSTANTLY "spend more money for more shit." I usually like DIY, cuz I like to do stuff. Just anything I can put my hands on in this computer-based world; I want to learn. Maybe I can help a friend or relative. This one was just straight: fuck you, get it done.
Really just depends on equipment - honestly, for jumping into ANY sort of hobby or trade, $400 in tools is pretty cheap, and is already going to pay for itself in 2 uses. As long as you arent just using it once then throwing it away, youre probably going to break even at the very least, and definitely save some money in the long run. If youre a hands-on person, like learning new skills, and have the space to store the tools, DIY really does seem worth the effort in this case. But of course, theres bound to be some parts you'll have to take to a professional anyway depending on the limitations of your oven size.
@@merylsmith8297 I came here to say this. If it's just a one off, it probably doesn't make sense However, if you plan to do quite a few parts, then it might start to make more sense. You could also do some parts for friends to try to get some moneies.
Kinda depends though right? If your just doing your valve cover it's cheaper. But would it be the same if you were spraying your wheels or something? Either way I'd probably just get it done. Personally don't have enough stuff that would need powder coating to justify have a oven and the space it would take up
Thank you for this episode, i was planning to paint the valve cover on my mx-5, but did not know professional powder-coating was so cheap, It's clearly a WIN for the pro in my opinion !
Yea feels like a no brainer. Not much cost, or time, and you get literally a perfect result. The better example i think wouldve been wheels. Because if its 200 a pop, then diy all the way. But for a vc seems overkill to diy
@@scuderia_team I think that's the big question really. How many parts are you getting done? Though I imagine you might get a discount after so many. haha.
@@cainadkins3985 You made one 20 inch pizza, meanwhile you'd need to heat up 4 desperate wheels. The time it would took for all 5 is already exhausting.
For a 1 time job, the pro was definitely way more worth the time, money and effort, but if you want to build a setup to continuously do more jobs, the DIY is clearly the winner.
I agree with you. If I'm planning on powder coating multiple pieces on a project vehicle it's worth building a diy setup and doing a few rounds of practice pieces. If I just want one thing powder coated pro is probably better. Space would also be a deciding factor.
Powder coating is super fun and forgiving. Next time you see over spray in a small spot you can just give it a light blow and the excess usually just flies off. Another solid tip is to start with the weird corners and crevices and end with light spraying over the entire part. Yours looked my great for a diy set up! Keep these types of videos coming!!
A few points here from someone who runs a big commercial line. That final rinse should be RO/di water. This ensures that any hard minerals in the water from the tap are rinsed off. It’s the stuff that you can’t see that will cause bad adherence and flaking years down the road The pre bake is technically called out gassing, this is especially critical with aluminum. This step removes impurities deep inside the metal. With out a pre bake, it will out gas with the powder on it and cause bubbles and bad adhesion, leading to failure of the coating. Powder coating it’s more technical that it is made out to be. There is a ton of science involved. Small projects like this are absolutely possible for the small guy.
Hey out of curiosity I also do commercial powder coating we run our ovens at 385 and bake our rims for 30 minutes for powder and 15 for clear..lately we've been getting too many fish eyes how can I fix this??
@@zee_rowe I like how people think it's funny what @iwantsex said, but everybody is giving your comment likes and not theirs 🤣 everybody is scared they gonna come after them if they interact with that channel lol
I like your comment as I work at a place that does powder coating as well. The only thing I think they forgot to address in the video that is crucial to a lot of applications was the durability. That is one of the main reasons for powder coating and they didn't do a scrap piece to test durability. With hand sanding instead of blasting, I'd be willing to bet the coating didn't adhere nearly as well and will chip off easier.
The issue you had with too much powder is because you don’t want horizontal laid parts. The powder in excess must be able to go away and the part need to catch the powder it needs thanks to grounding , also you can build an agitator with a simple rc motor and something that makes it unbalanced and cause vibration. I’m not a pro but I do a ton of power coating for my off-road builds and no one in my area does powder coating so I have no choice. Also steeling the hold dish washer from your wife and buying her a new one helps a lot in the cleaning process😂😂😂😂
@@Catrik for me is toughness even though modern paints are a lot stronger than they used to in some cases. I use powder coating on stuff that will get beaten because it chips out harder and is a little more scratch resistant. Same reason I think people raptors or line x truck beds
I think that job would be fun. I love pressure washing, and sandblasting, and spray painting stuff. I HATE washing, sanding, or painting anything by HAND, lol!
@@jeffrykopis5468 I love it. We have a small blast booth like the one in this video and then a big one inside a 40 foot shipping container raised up 10 feet with a grated floor so the sand all falls down into a bin beneath. Anything that can fit through the doors i blast in there its fucking so fun.
@@wretchedslippage3255 I bet. I know it's (literally) a blast to blow all the dirt, grease, algae, and mouse turds off a painted part or car, then blow the paint and rust off the metal. Very satisfying. And that beautiful finish when it's all done. Money.
2:05 Powder coating is an Electro-static adhesion of powderized polymers such as Polyester, Urethanes or even Epoxies. An electrical charge is applied to powder as it leaved the spray gun to be applied to an electrically grounded part. As a Powder coater I can let you know some of the things I would do if you were to do this DIY. Brake clean spray is a friend when getting heavy grease out of tight spaces that your fingers can't get into. Prebaking isn't a bad idea for something like a valve cover which has how many years of oil baked into it. Getting the part up to the cure temperature of the powder to be used and holding it for about 10 minutes will make sure that any solvents or residues that show themselves during the cure cycle, Won't. Don't skimp on masking. It's the easiest thing to do and the hardest thing to fix if you realize AFTER you cure the part. Have the cure oven at a higher temperature than you need. Curing the powder isa range of temperature, It might say 400F for 10 minutes, but you can get away with curing it at 375 for 15. So the closer you are to that range is also the closer you are to burning the finish. Brittle, discolored. That is VERY heavy powder BTW. Not the cure, when you were spraying it went straight to the floor. need slightly more air flow, but have to be cautious about the mess without a booth.
If anyone is considering messing with a basic setup, I've had decent luck with the inexpensive Eastwood gun with a couple of simple mods you can find online to make powder delivery more consistent. A good ground is important for good adherence, so if you can attach directly to a grounding rod, that would be ideal. I just picked up the largest counter top oven I could find, and only do small parts, but it's been nice not having to send the small stuff out as I have quite a lot of miscellaneous brackets and other metal parts that will PC well. I definitely prefer PC to paint when possible. Also you can pick up an assortment of PC plugs and caps fairly inexpensively at Amazon or other places so it might be worth the investment vs. tape if you plan to do more than a couple parts -- incidentally I use them for painting too.
I was thinking that a vibrator taped or glued to the hopper would probable improve powder flow. And yeah, that kind of vibrator. Doesn't have to be an anatomical one, unless you're nasty like that.
I have been a project engineer in the field of Powdercoating/Ecoating for a few years now and I’m really impressed by this episode. Jobe did a great job of breaking down the important parts of what makes this process work and made it fun and easy to understand! Great job guys, love your content!!
I used to powder coat throttle bodies, valve covers and other random things on GM as a side business with my dad. Definitely something that requires the at home person a lot of rinse and repeat in order to do it well.
I started working at a powder coating shop a couple weeks ago. I'm a pressure washer right now but get to learn powder coating once a spot opens up. Definitely seen alot of cool stuff already. Loving it there sofar.
I like the honesty, worth the mention though that there’s an in between option for the gun. Eastwood dual voltage is well worth the extra still without breaking the bank
In my experience with the HF gun, some of those fisheyes in the powder can be caused by arching a spark from the gun to the part. Usually from trying to shake the hell out of the gun trying to get the powder out. It was super frustrating. Eventually I got some good results but it was never without some hassle.
Home powder coating is great IF you plan on doing it fairly often. I do it all the time and get perfect results. It is super easy and I love that there is almost no drying time. OTOH if you would do it rarely I'd just go to a powder coating shop as the minimum run charges are normally pretty low meaning you don't have to worry about owning equipment including an oven (which never seems to be large enough)
Yeah a car rim won't fit in any house oven that I'm aware of. A larger commercial one of some sort, even used, might be hella expensive. I know there are restaurant supply places that often have used ovens and racks and what not, after doing a reno.
Exactly, I wouldn't call this a "win" myself. It only makes sense if you're going to powder coating stuff on a fairly regular basis. If you're just doing one car, or one project, just take it to the pro.
you have to factor in that the pro's do the job all day, so the tools they use often cost a lot more due to them being quicker or less annoying to operate 8 hours a day, rather than just a better quality finish.
Zach being disappointed when hearing the pro price and realizing he spent that much just for the oven is quite honestly the funniest thing I have every heard in my entire life. I was laughing for like an hour straight. I owe you a beer if you’re ever in Denver.
How is that funny? You missed the point. The point is that you would allready have all the tools in the future for the next parts. For any additional part you would only pay around 10 do 20$. And you can get the tools huch cheaper than he did (you can probably find working oven at the scrapyard, or buy it for $30. Anso the poinder coating gun can be chaper that he paid.
Love the video, something I thought about during this whole thing is "wear gloves" you can use a stronger degreaser if you wear gloves so it doesnt chew through your hands, and it would make the process a little faster.
My son bought an Eastwood powder coating kit and has been having fun powder-coating car parts, tools, and even glassware using the hot flock method. His wife wanted a new stove so he turned his old one into his dedicated powder-coating oven. He is fortunate because he uses a wash tank and sandblaster regularly. These two pieces of equipment make the prep process very easy.
Didn't even watch the video but DIY powder coating is the defiantly worth it! I started with a Eastwood setup so entry level Quailty spray gun and would sand blast outside with a harbor freight gun. Now I invested into a small oven and sandblasting cabinet in my garage and its so awesome able to quickly do small parts and accessory's. I won't rattle can anything anymore now that I have a setup to coat parts. Now large parts I take to my guy and no way avoiding that with things that are big like suspension components or quad frames.
Could you list to me a decent go to setup to get stated I want to start on brake calipers ! For myself and maybe even turn it into something more seems more than possible to achieve thanks !
Let's take a moment to also appreciate the work of the Editors and Sound Engineers at Donut. Their work is top notch. Excellent job guys. Makes me come back for more!
I worked a job powder coating for about a year on much bigger stuff. We always clean with acetone never water and use a propane style torch to burn out the gasses and other contaminants deep inside the metal and whatever sand is left from the blast cabinet. Also definitely lay some powder coat primer and sand it down to make sure the final product will not have any impurities. That being said, such a super fun episode to watch as always
I started home powder coating in 1998 with the eastwood home kit. I have done hundreds of wheels valve covers car frames, truck frames, motorcycles etc . Definitely worth it. Made my own oven by getting heating elements and regulators form some trashed ovens sheet metal and insulation.
The equipment and experience is everything. Many people who have good equip and do powder coating on the side are more than happy to let you watch and learn when you give them business and a part to coat or 2.
Now that you have the tools, you can powder coat anything for the rest of your life. A lot of the issues he was having can be fixed with experience and maybe some small equipment upgrades if you end up really enjoy it. At least that's how I'm approaching it.
I restore Military trucks and I am in the final stages of a 50 Dodge Power Wagon this one was a complete frame off and rebuilding of every component, 2 year project and doing my own powder coating was a big part. I started with the Eastwood basic kit then upgraded to a Red line gun then built a bigger oven etc. The only parts of my PW that I didnt powder coat myself were the BIB pieces like the diff housing and frame of the truck virtually every other component on the truck was powder coated by me! Powder coating is a truly wonderful way to make metal look beautiful and it last just about forever. I have been at it a whole lot for almost 4 years now and the farther you get into it the more adventurous and creative you get. You also will learn a lot of new questions concerning WHY didnt this metal take the ground like it should have or why did I get a different finish than expected, all I can tell you is everythign your do is more learning and it just keeps getting better all the time! Start getting into it and enjoy the journey I know I sure have and will continue to do so for a very long time!
Doing such a powder coating on a home machined part at I would call it awesome. The problem I see is, that it is to messy for both private and commercial use. As a private person, you likely wont get the volume to justify the mess. Going commercial - e.g. finish custom machined parts - scaling it would scale the mess, so... Also keeping in mind that the pro only needs 200$ including cleaning.
It definitely seems like it would be something you would have to want to do, if you have a project car and you’re passionate about it, and enjoy working on it yourself it doesn’t seem like a bad idea. If you don’t care if somebody else does the work it seems like taking it to a pro is obviously the better option, especially if you don’t plan on powdercoating often cause it was like double the price
i was surprised by how good that looked! I was expecting to see some uneven spots where the gun sprayed too much but it looked great, considering trying this in the future.
I've done some powder coating with a Eastwood gun on small parts (catch can, splitter bars & lug nuts). Its fun but messy as heck cos the powder get everywhere. But the sense of satisfaction is priceless. 😀😀
I Cerakote my valve cover. If it’s good enough for my boom sticks, it good enough for my valve cover. Heat resistant, almost completely scratch proof, and spread wet instead of powder
If you want a diy setup i highly suggest going with a Hotcoat system from Eastwood. The cheap unit is ok for occasional use but step up to the next level if you want to be happy. You can run a cheap bucket siphon sand blaster but its a mess! Ive done an engine bay that way. Also if you cant get an oven there are uv curing lamps but you will want to get the low temp powder if you try that. It is very much an economy of scales. The air compressor and air dryer is another thing you need. Want to be sure the air is dry and pressure regulated.
The important part is that it's not as difficult as it seems. Paint is usually something I fear doing because of the possibility of messing it up but this just shows that you really just need confidence
nah paint is really hard to get right. His diy cover looked like SHIT! Is it good enough? Maybe.. but it's like 1/5 compared to the 4/5 job the pro did.
Man seriously. Zach Jobes content on donut is the only content that's worth watching. He does such a good job and actually knows about working on cars, unlike everyone else on donut. Good shit. 👌
done a few years powder coating and its so much fun. couple of tips. being too close will cause a lot more static build up which makes "fisheyes" pop up since its a cheap gun, flow/build up issues inside are pretty normal, regular blowing out will help with it spitting and leaving lumps. best way for something like this is to get the tight spaces/corners first then stand back, turn up the air flow and spray from distance, essentially letting it fall without adding more and more static. still an awesome job for a first try. wish i did that good on my first run hahaha
I try to powder coat all my own parts, just like anything prep is the key. I like the fact that the part is ready to handle unlike paint, and always prebake any part that has been subject to oil or other highly contaminating substance. I use a cheap Sears unit that works great sandblasting is a must.
I am glad that you made this video. I have been looking into getting the equipment to do it myself. The only experience is a few years ago when I used to live in Florida and my buddy did powder coating all the time. He had the professional oven, the chemicals, and the sandblaster. Me starting off I don't have that so this video definitely helped me out with learning what I could achieve and what to spend a little bit more on a better gun because as you said in the video it is honestly worth it. Thank you again for this very helpful video
Been home powedercoating for over 20 years and still have my powdercoating original cabinet which was a 60 inch widescreen TV box. with a house filter in the rear with attachment to use a shop vac .. cost less then $2 to make is now decades old and other then the cost of house filters works fine. Can powdercoat stuff for less then $3 in materials what it would cost me hundreds to pay someone to do per item. Just gotta learn what not to do .. and it helps having a professional blasting cabinet. and electrolosis tank home made as well (for rust)
I used to powder paint, for a company. Hanging parts and running the assembly line and running one side of a powder booth. Don't miss that job. Lol.. Great video I enjoyed it.
Im thinking about refurbishing my wheels because the clear coat is mostly gone and theres some paint getting removed now. 8:47 is some coated CE28n wheels which is my wheels... guess I gotta do it now.
Most of the time you pay for the experience and time someone has consumed to learn and other times for the equipment. Doing things yourself may not have the best outcome but it's a learning experience and over time you might reach the level of a pro.
From the sound of it part of your your problem was air pressure. My powder coat system operates at 5-10psi, I use a regulator and filter right at the gun. My gun is an Eastwood, and has a little thumb switch to add the charge. Additionally a previous comment said hanging parts and this is a good point too. But again, far from professional, bought the kit to do my own stuff.
I bought a $130 gun from Eastwood and it works pretty darn good. I've been very happy with the results and after watching this video I can say that the Eastwood gun out performs the harbor freight gun. The Eastwood gun also has two power settings. In my case I got the oven free so I have less than $150 in the entire setup. It's fun and it's cool to do it myself and my results especially with a little practice have been more than acceptable
@@TheDarkPacificbeen to few powder coating places down here and all of them were $600+ for cam covers. So I guess I just need to ship mine to this dude.
The biggest obstacle to powder coat DIY is size of the oven. I used an Eastwood garage kit to do a set of Jeep Wrangler wheels for my first try ever but the 15” wheels barely fit in the old oven I had. For anyone that actually wants to try it themselves I recommend it, but few pointers to be able to plan ahead: Have a good and accurate regulator for your compressor (usually you want like 15psi tops). Have some good in line desiccant filters and moisture traps in the air line, you want the air as dry as possible. And do your best to avoid getting the tip of the powder gun nozzle too close to the part, you can cause an electric arc to jump to the part which will leave a crater in the powder that will end up in the final product….learned that the hard way lol
Hey @Donut, quick tip for you. Shiny surfaces will test lower with a laser temp gun, dull or black surfaces will show more accurately. Usually at my work I use a touch probe temp gauge or if I can't do that, I put something that is dull or black in the oven with my parts and will test those instead of the shiny parts.
My buddy and I have had success with it. Sending it out works great if you live near a city with access to a shop. I'm a professional homeowner and live out in the sticks. I use an old oven to do my own powder coating.
This was the best Donut production I have seen. I will say that I've seen 75% of the content on here from the channel's inception. Bravo. The ford GT up to speed is a close second.
I use that mask every day at my job and just those filters alone are meant primarily for fumes, not for dust or fine particulate. I'd highly recommend getting the dust filters to go along with it when you're doing anything with fine particles.
doesn't pertain exactly to this video, but thank you so much for all the amazing content. I've been working on my car and slowly becoming more of a car person over the past few years. Donut media was a big help with so many projects and inspiration. Now, I'm that guy in an old Saturn Sky where I'm asked all the time, "Why are you adding a supercharger? It'd be cheaper to just buy an old corvette and faster." And of course, my response is, "True... But this is fun, sooooo...."
No matter what no one said doing any diy was going to be easy. But for those that don't mind spending the money then I am glad to take your money like any shop while providing a service. If a diy wants help then most shop or guys will give advice here on TH-cam or other platforms I know I do to help anyone out. Now for most diy'ers they roll up there sleeves and get dirty. Doing it by yourself and showing your work is a priceless reaction on anyone's face. Just my 2 cents.
after seeing the reletive ease with he did this project made me way more interested in at home powder coating. I love the look of a good powder coat over painting and I might do this myself if I ever have a good reason to.
look into the ez 50 and or the ez 100 gun. they work pretty good for a starter wanting to get a little more into it. prismatic powders have a great selection to choose from color wise. pick up a used sand blasting cabinet. I recommend around an 80 grit sand to use in it. great finish and not to rough. pay close attention to the cure cycles of the powder... most are around 400 degrees *part temp* which means the timer starts when the part you are coating reaches 400. up in ohio a k series valve cover we usually coat for around 50 to 60 bucks depending on color and what you want done.
I had to comment once my guy had to redo his work, which was his first time powder coating anything. Love it. Knew he could do better after his first go
This is cool. Alternatives are thin ceramic coating paint which sprays on. A heat gun could be substituted for an oven but more labour. For my high compression engine I need maximum heat rejection so I'm going for a mirror polish bare surface. Also, people literally leave old ovens by the side of the road and scrap metal people just take them. So you can get that for free just by driving around. Or look on freecycle.
Ive been noticing a lot of attention being brought to powder coating by big channels in recent months. As a someone who owns a powder coating shop i thinks its awesome!! Its kind of hard to explain this process to someone who has never heard of it or seen it being done so thanks Donut Media 🍩 🤘🏻
I've a stalled resto project and have access to an old oven and I'm now really considering taking on powdercoating parts myself. Think I'd spend a little more on the gun though given I don't have much cost for the oven. Awesome video, loved it.
I have the Eastwood powder coating gun. I enjoy it. I have powder coated motorcycle parts, hand gun slides, and other items. I was looking at the Harbor Freight system when I first started, but I did not like the foot switch. The Eastwood beginner system has a handheld trigger system which I think it works better. Inconsistencies are kind of tricky and frustrating, but when it flows out it seems to come out pretty well. I am looking into upgrading to the Eastwood pro setup eventually.
some manufacturing processes ive seen also apply a static charge to the thing they want to powder coat to make the coating more efficient and prevent too much loss
We bought a used powder coating system with 12 pounds of paint off eBay for $125.00. Picked up an old stove for free only the oven worked. Took the oven back to the shop put a few test parts in our sandblast cabinet to clean them up. Turn the oven on to preheat to 400°. Here is a tip warm up your part first you can use a small propane torch as you run the heat over the part you will see moisture drawn out. Apply powder and back for 20 minutes let cool. I have done valve covers, oil pans, coil springs anything that will fit in a standard kitchen oven.
Something that was shown to me for powder coating was using your phones flashlight to look for any reflections in the metal, it helps to know if you have enough paint layed down
Orange Peel is the term you're looking for. Also in my humble, the shaky shaky never works. Always have more material than you think you'll need. And always clean the gun in between procedures. If you're not willing to let something go and you want to respray it, clean up and start over proper. I'm a cabinet and house sprayer (but have shot some cars and some parts professionally), but take it with a grain of salt, as all painters are nuts lol. All in all that thing was spraying like a champ. Great video man! (Oh and I would be wearing a respirator even when I was pouring that shit by the way).
I did the DIY version of this several years ago. It's not hard to find old ovens for free. I picked an old one up from behind Lowes. It looked like it was from the 80s but worked perfectly. The biggest problem I had was getting the powdercoat into crevasses. Sometimes the powder just refused to go.
Having done many a 'for a buddy' Cerakoting jobs, you'll definitely eat your shirt on prep time and materials in a DIY setup, especially if you're doing other project simultaneously that don't involve the coating process, but the fun in doing a pro-level custom job comes with its own satisfaction for sure. I've never done powdercoating like this as I get very good results from Cera that involve higher abuse/aggressive/challenging environments, but it looked like an interesting and very similar process for 90% of the job.
The fact that i Watch this despite i have no plans to powdercoat says alot about this channel and the hosts. So entertaining and interesting everytime.
honestly, i like that outcome, i mean powder coating, you have everything, you can DIY powder coat your wheels, valve cover, manifold, even do it for some friends, i definitely call that DIYable
I love how you guys are so honest, even including the failed powdercoat attempt. This is what gives donut its shine over other car youtubers!
They fail so we don’t have to
@E Van tell the doc to decrease the dosage.
Most car channels seem quite honest to me
Devin Niemela does a great job also
I see what you did there.
Chris is my cousin in law, and he’s put an insane amount of time and effort into growing his business from its humble roots as a side project in the garage. Super stoked to see his hard work pay off!!
He came across really genuine, friendly, professional and humble. Wish they would make another episode with him
No question about it, he is the definition of professional.
@@ethelryan257 Thank you!
@@velocitypowdercoating7670 I see you only have 1 vid on your channel. I was hoping you made videos. You should do aesthetic based videos on powder coating things. I would watch it all day!
@@velocitypowdercoating7670 you should definitely throw up some videos on the process on your channel.
I've been doing powdercoating at home for a while now, Eastwood makes a fantastic powdercoating kit that comes with everything you need including masking tape, plugs and 1lb of powder. Pair that with a used oven and a harbor freight sandblast cabinet and you have a setup that will allow you to get good results for years. I highly recommend it for anyone who maybe has multiple projects that they want to paint themselves. Cameron Nimela has a great video showing how to do it well
I'm doing the same thing and get great results. 70 dollar stove Eastwood kit and the harbor freight sand blaster. Set up works great!!!
@@hensley1175 same here just get a turkey fryer to degrease your parts that are oily
His brother has a lot of videos on it as well. I noticed in this video he didnt keep the hopper steady or even with all the shaking which probably didnt help with an even feed
Lol I was just gonna bring up the Eastwood products. I've used them a lot and yeah a blasting cabinet is excellent. The parts have to be clean and grease/whatever free. We have a standard kitchen oven in the family shop we do all kinds of stuff in. I've never tried wheels but valve covers and whatnot have been a breeze. I don't see why we can't do anything that will fit in the oven though 👍
@@michaelevans2989 fry the parts you're trying to degrease? Lol I see where you're going with that but I just imagine people putting parts in fryer oil 🤣.
I'm forever impressed by Zach's willingness to scrap everything during a project and start over if there's been a mistake or other factor that's going to lead to a flawed result. I think most folks would go "eh fuck it close enough" and press onward instead of rolling back and starting again. You can tell he's really dedicated to showing the level of quality that is possible in DIY but also how much effort it takes to achieve it. He's really giving it his all to try and match the professional grade result but also giving a fair appraisal of what is and isn't worth it in terms of effort and cost. I know that's the whole point of this segment but still. Exceptionally well done.
well I mean, he is going to put that in the car so wouldn't you want to make it look as nice as possible?
@@robertneagu5891 you’d think so but some people just don’t give a shit
Well i mean a powder coated valve cover means you went the extra mile from spray paint/wrinkle paint so you when you want to show off the vc itll look good i would do the same if im not happy, if its a part with function same thing as well i wouldnt want rust to build up because of my fault for being lazy
Zach seems like such a genuinely good and hardworking guy, I automatically love any video that he’s in. I can really relate to him, I’d like to think that I’m the same kind of person.
Zach's reaction to the fact that getting the valve cover powdercoated was already cheaper than what he'd pay to DIY it immediately got my like. Nearly killed me.
Was not expecting that. Usually DIY is like, "save a little money for a little shit" this one was INSTANTLY "spend more money for more shit."
I usually like DIY, cuz I like to do stuff. Just anything I can put my hands on in this computer-based world; I want to learn. Maybe I can help a friend or relative.
This one was just straight: fuck you, get it done.
Really just depends on equipment - honestly, for jumping into ANY sort of hobby or trade, $400 in tools is pretty cheap, and is already going to pay for itself in 2 uses. As long as you arent just using it once then throwing it away, youre probably going to break even at the very least, and definitely save some money in the long run.
If youre a hands-on person, like learning new skills, and have the space to store the tools, DIY really does seem worth the effort in this case. But of course, theres bound to be some parts you'll have to take to a professional anyway depending on the limitations of your oven size.
@@merylsmith8297 I came here to say this.
If it's just a one off, it probably doesn't make sense
However, if you plan to do quite a few parts, then it might start to make more sense. You could also do some parts for friends to try to get some moneies.
@LeoS Seems to a me a more mature reaction than shitting on people for no reason in youtube comments.
Kinda depends though right? If your just doing your valve cover it's cheaper. But would it be the same if you were spraying your wheels or something? Either way I'd probably just get it done. Personally don't have enough stuff that would need powder coating to justify have a oven and the space it would take up
Thank you for this episode, i was planning to paint the valve cover on my mx-5, but did not know professional powder-coating was so cheap, It's clearly a WIN for the pro in my opinion !
Yea feels like a no brainer. Not much cost, or time, and you get literally a perfect result. The better example i think wouldve been wheels. Because if its 200 a pop, then diy all the way. But for a vc seems overkill to diy
@@scuderia_team I think that's the big question really. How many parts are you getting done? Though I imagine you might get a discount after so many. haha.
@@scuderia_team yeah but who has an oven that will fit your wheels though to cure it
@@acaza1234 one at a time lol I can make a 20 inch pizza why not a 20 inch rim
@@cainadkins3985 You made one 20 inch pizza, meanwhile you'd need to heat up 4 desperate wheels. The time it would took for all 5 is already exhausting.
For a 1 time job, the pro was definitely way more worth the time, money and effort, but if you want to build a setup to continuously do more jobs, the DIY is clearly the winner.
I agree with you. If I'm planning on powder coating multiple pieces on a project vehicle it's worth building a diy setup and doing a few rounds of practice pieces. If I just want one thing powder coated pro is probably better. Space would also be a deciding factor.
Yeah, I wonder if the gun they bought can be modded to run better...
@@Tojoblindeye im not sure about that gun, but i have seen people use the gun from eastwood that is similar in price and it seems to work better.
I think the dent pro would be worth it
And if you are good enough at it you could probably make some money from it
Powder coating is super fun and forgiving. Next time you see over spray in a small spot you can just give it a light blow and the excess usually just flies off. Another solid tip is to start with the weird corners and crevices and end with light spraying over the entire part. Yours looked my great for a diy set up! Keep these types of videos coming!!
A few points here from someone who runs a big commercial line.
That final rinse should be RO/di water. This ensures that any hard minerals in the water from the tap are rinsed off. It’s the stuff that you can’t see that will cause bad adherence and flaking years down the road
The pre bake is technically called out gassing, this is especially critical with aluminum. This step removes impurities deep inside the metal. With out a pre bake, it will out gas with the powder on it and cause bubbles and bad adhesion, leading to failure of the coating.
Powder coating it’s more technical that it is made out to be. There is a ton of science involved. Small projects like this are absolutely possible for the small guy.
^ what an excellent response to such a technical insight to powdercoating
Great points thank you
Hey out of curiosity I also do commercial powder coating we run our ovens at 385 and bake our rims for 30 minutes for powder and 15 for clear..lately we've been getting too many fish eyes how can I fix this??
@@zee_rowe I like how people think it's funny what @iwantsex said, but everybody is giving your comment likes and not theirs 🤣 everybody is scared they gonna come after them if they interact with that channel lol
I like your comment as I work at a place that does powder coating as well. The only thing I think they forgot to address in the video that is crucial to a lot of applications was the durability. That is one of the main reasons for powder coating and they didn't do a scrap piece to test durability. With hand sanding instead of blasting, I'd be willing to bet the coating didn't adhere nearly as well and will chip off easier.
The issue you had with too much powder is because you don’t want horizontal laid parts. The powder in excess must be able to go away and the part need to catch the powder it needs thanks to grounding , also you can build an agitator with a simple rc motor and something that makes it unbalanced and cause vibration. I’m not a pro but I do a ton of power coating for my off-road builds and no one in my area does powder coating so I have no choice. Also steeling the hold dish washer from your wife and buying her a new one helps a lot in the cleaning process😂😂😂😂
Since you're doing offroad stuff I'm assuming top visual quality isn't your main priority - what pros do you think powder coat has over 2K paint?
@@Catrik for me is toughness even though modern paints are a lot stronger than they used to in some cases. I use powder coating on stuff that will get beaten because it chips out harder and is a little more scratch resistant. Same reason I think people raptors or line x truck beds
Does the dish washer work good? What do you use in the dish washer to clean the parts?
Hell yeah! The best part for me working at a sandblast and powdercoating place is ive been able to do my wheels, whatever parts I want for FREE BABY!
I can powder coat stuff for free at my school and we have a sandblaster too
I think that job would be fun. I love pressure washing, and sandblasting, and spray painting stuff. I HATE washing, sanding, or painting anything by HAND, lol!
@@jeffrykopis5468 I love it. We have a small blast booth like the one in this video and then a big one inside a 40 foot shipping container raised up 10 feet with a grated floor so the sand all falls down into a bin beneath. Anything that can fit through the doors i blast in there its fucking so fun.
@@wretchedslippage3255 I bet. I know it's (literally) a blast to blow all the dirt, grease, algae, and mouse turds off a painted part or car, then blow the paint and rust off the metal. Very satisfying. And that beautiful finish when it's all done. Money.
2:05 Powder coating is an Electro-static adhesion of powderized polymers such as Polyester, Urethanes or even Epoxies.
An electrical charge is applied to powder as it leaved the spray gun to be applied to an electrically grounded part.
As a Powder coater I can let you know some of the things I would do if you were to do this DIY.
Brake clean spray is a friend when getting heavy grease out of tight spaces that your fingers can't get into.
Prebaking isn't a bad idea for something like a valve cover which has how many years of oil baked into it.
Getting the part up to the cure temperature of the powder to be used and holding it for about 10 minutes will make sure that any solvents or residues that show themselves during the cure cycle, Won't.
Don't skimp on masking. It's the easiest thing to do and the hardest thing to fix if you realize AFTER you cure the part.
Have the cure oven at a higher temperature than you need. Curing the powder isa range of temperature, It might say 400F for 10 minutes, but you can get away with curing it at 375 for 15.
So the closer you are to that range is also the closer you are to burning the finish.
Brittle, discolored.
That is VERY heavy powder BTW. Not the cure, when you were spraying it went straight to the floor. need slightly more air flow, but have to be cautious about the mess without a booth.
great info
Thanks for the info!
Also use a good light source so you see if your powder layer is too thin.
@@slomo9831 Just not so bright that it washes out your view of the part.
@@FelixUmbra true, I just noticed how dark his working area was. 🙂
If anyone is considering messing with a basic setup, I've had decent luck with the inexpensive Eastwood gun with a couple of simple mods you can find online to make powder delivery more consistent. A good ground is important for good adherence, so if you can attach directly to a grounding rod, that would be ideal. I just picked up the largest counter top oven I could find, and only do small parts, but it's been nice not having to send the small stuff out as I have quite a lot of miscellaneous brackets and other metal parts that will PC well. I definitely prefer PC to paint when possible. Also you can pick up an assortment of PC plugs and caps fairly inexpensively at Amazon or other places so it might be worth the investment vs. tape if you plan to do more than a couple parts -- incidentally I use them for painting too.
Eastwood makes lots of great stuff.
I was thinking that a vibrator taped or glued to the hopper would probable improve powder flow. And yeah, that kind of vibrator. Doesn't have to be an anatomical one, unless you're nasty like that.
I have been a project engineer in the field of Powdercoating/Ecoating for a few years now and I’m really impressed by this episode. Jobe did a great job of breaking down the important parts of what makes this process work and made it fun and easy to understand! Great job guys, love your content!!
The DIY process also doesn't account for the cost of a good compressor, which can be costly for those that don't have one.
you don't actually need a compressor or powdercoat gun to powdercoat.
But once you have one you can use it for so much
@@creepyloner1979 How would you apply the powder without the powdercoat gun?
@@mpr746 Just throw the powder real hard /s
@@Evios62 I'm hoping that is not his answer 🤣
Pro powder coating is priceless especially when you get wheels done
I used to powder coat throttle bodies, valve covers and other random things on GM as a side business with my dad. Definitely something that requires the at home person a lot of rinse and repeat in order to do it well.
I started working at a powder coating shop a couple weeks ago. I'm a pressure washer right now but get to learn powder coating once a spot opens up. Definitely seen alot of cool stuff already. Loving it there sofar.
How is it going?
@@airconditioningsounds9316 apparently he died in a bizarre pressure washing accident
@@airconditioningsounds9316 he just couldn´t handle the pressure
I like the honesty, worth the mention though that there’s an in between option for the gun. Eastwood dual voltage is well worth the extra still without breaking the bank
In my experience with the HF gun, some of those fisheyes in the powder can be caused by arching a spark from the gun to the part. Usually from trying to shake the hell out of the gun trying to get the powder out. It was super frustrating.
Eventually I got some good results but it was never without some hassle.
Kinda seems like the powder bottle needs a vibrator taped to it
Powder coat James, that would be entertaining
That man needs to be protected at all costs
Gotta pre-order that much powder....
Excellent
as a professional powder coater I really appreciate this video I definitely learned alot when I started so I understand the pain in the beginning
Home powder coating is great IF you plan on doing it fairly often. I do it all the time and get perfect results. It is super easy and I love that there is almost no drying time. OTOH if you would do it rarely I'd just go to a powder coating shop as the minimum run charges are normally pretty low meaning you don't have to worry about owning equipment including an oven (which never seems to be large enough)
Yeah that's what I thought. Esp with the oven, that you can only fit the tray of meatloaf. Can't go bigger than that unless going industrial
Yeah a car rim won't fit in any house oven that I'm aware of. A larger commercial one of some sort, even used, might be hella expensive. I know there are restaurant supply places that often have used ovens and racks and what not, after doing a reno.
Exactly, I wouldn't call this a "win" myself. It only makes sense if you're going to powder coating stuff on a fairly regular basis. If you're just doing one car, or one project, just take it to the pro.
It would be really cool to see how well a medium quality powder gun would do. Somewhere around the $200-$400 range
You know reviews and other videos exist besides donuts right? look em up dawgg
you have to factor in that the pro's do the job all day, so the tools they use often cost a lot more due to them being quicker or less annoying to operate 8 hours a day, rather than just a better quality finish.
This new series is great. Love it.
Zach being disappointed when hearing the pro price and realizing he spent that much just for the oven is quite honestly the funniest thing I have every heard in my entire life. I was laughing for like an hour straight. I owe you a beer if you’re ever in Denver.
How is that funny? You missed the point. The point is that you would allready have all the tools in the future for the next parts. For any additional part you would only pay around 10 do 20$. And you can get the tools huch cheaper than he did (you can probably find working oven at the scrapyard, or buy it for $30. Anso the poinder coating gun can be chaper that he paid.
@@drister007I've also seen people combine two ovens on top of each other for bigger parts!
agree!! my toutght also. i have made my oven for almost free material @@drister007
@@drister007I don't get it either. It's like saying it's cheaper to get your tires changed at a shop because an impact gun costs more than that.
Love the video, something I thought about during this whole thing is "wear gloves" you can use a stronger degreaser if you wear gloves so it doesnt chew through your hands, and it would make the process a little faster.
My son bought an Eastwood powder coating kit and has been having fun powder-coating car parts, tools, and even glassware using the hot flock method. His wife wanted a new stove so he turned his old one into his dedicated powder-coating oven. He is fortunate because he uses a wash tank and sandblaster regularly. These two pieces of equipment make the prep process very easy.
This series is so awesome! I really like that insight from the pros and gives people WHY things cost what they do. Plus Zach always goes max effort🙌
Didn't even watch the video but DIY powder coating is the defiantly worth it! I started with a Eastwood setup so entry level Quailty spray gun and would sand blast outside with a harbor freight gun. Now I invested into a small oven and sandblasting cabinet in my garage and its so awesome able to quickly do small parts and accessory's. I won't rattle can anything anymore now that I have a setup to coat parts. Now large parts I take to my guy and no way avoiding that with things that are big like suspension components or quad frames.
Could you list to me a decent go to setup to get stated I want to start on brake calipers ! For myself and maybe even turn it into something more seems more than possible to achieve thanks !
$200 is honestly such a good price for a starting 4 cylinder coat!
😬 clearly west coast pricing. It costs 1/4 that around here. A guy I know how a full set of 18" wheels done in black for $600
@@sinformant yhea i know a guy that can do it cheaper kind of stuff. nobody trusts that shit
@@daize4743 lol it isn't a guy, there are multiple companies around here
Yea when I got my valve cover done it was 60$ and it lasted a few years
That’s overpriced as fuck .
Let's take a moment to also appreciate the work of the Editors and Sound Engineers at Donut. Their work is top notch. Excellent job guys. Makes me come back for more!
You guys are literally the reason I have started doing so many car mods at home myself! Thanks for yet another diy idea to make the wife mad 🤣🤣
I worked a job powder coating for about a year on much bigger stuff. We always clean with acetone never water and use a propane style torch to burn out the gasses and other contaminants deep inside the metal and whatever sand is left from the blast cabinet. Also definitely lay some powder coat primer and sand it down to make sure the final product will not have any impurities. That being said, such a super fun episode to watch as always
I never miss a Zack video. He always gives a good explanation of what to do and tries his best. 👍
I started home powder coating in 1998 with the eastwood home kit.
I have done hundreds of wheels valve covers car frames, truck frames, motorcycles etc .
Definitely worth it.
Made my own oven by getting heating elements and regulators form some trashed ovens sheet metal and insulation.
You know you've got one of the best channels on TH-cam when the sponsorship is literally one of the best parts of the video...
Pun intended
The equipment and experience is everything. Many people who have good equip and do powder coating on the side are more than happy to let you watch and learn when you give them business and a part to coat or 2.
Now that you have the tools, you can powder coat anything for the rest of your life. A lot of the issues he was having can be fixed with experience and maybe some small equipment upgrades if you end up really enjoy it. At least that's how I'm approaching it.
I was thinking the same way , and now that i know that i could buy myself some equipment iam really considering to buy some
I restore Military trucks and I am in the final stages of a 50 Dodge Power Wagon this one was a complete frame off and rebuilding of every component, 2 year project and doing my own powder coating was a big part. I started with the Eastwood basic kit then upgraded to a Red line gun then built a bigger oven etc. The only parts of my PW that I didnt powder coat myself were the BIB pieces like the diff housing and frame of the truck virtually every other component on the truck was powder coated by me! Powder coating is a truly wonderful way to make metal look beautiful and it last just about forever. I have been at it a whole lot for almost 4 years now and the farther you get into it the more adventurous and creative you get. You also will learn a lot of new questions concerning WHY didnt this metal take the ground like it should have or why did I get a different finish than expected, all I can tell you is everythign your do is more learning and it just keeps getting better all the time! Start getting into it and enjoy the journey I know I sure have and will continue to do so for a very long time!
For a home job it looks good. The cheapo gun inconsistency spray doesn't give me confidence
Doing such a powder coating on a home machined part at I would call it awesome.
The problem I see is, that it is to messy for both private and commercial use.
As a private person, you likely wont get the volume to justify the mess.
Going commercial - e.g. finish custom machined parts - scaling it would scale the mess, so...
Also keeping in mind that the pro only needs 200$ including cleaning.
It definitely seems like it would be something you would have to want to do, if you have a project car and you’re passionate about it, and enjoy working on it yourself it doesn’t seem like a bad idea. If you don’t care if somebody else does the work it seems like taking it to a pro is obviously the better option, especially if you don’t plan on powdercoating often cause it was like double the price
You can buy a hand held media blaster with a hopper, that will cut your time and effort even less. I think the DYI valve covers looks great btw!
i was surprised by how good that looked! I was expecting to see some uneven spots where the gun sprayed too much but it looked great, considering trying this in the future.
I've done some powder coating with a Eastwood gun on small parts (catch can, splitter bars & lug nuts). Its fun but messy as heck cos the powder get everywhere. But the sense of satisfaction is priceless. 😀😀
I Cerakote my valve cover. If it’s good enough for my boom sticks, it good enough for my valve cover. Heat resistant, almost completely scratch proof, and spread wet instead of powder
Oh shit.. ..
@@Tojoblindeye only real issue…price. Cerakote ain’t cheap lol
If you want a diy setup i highly suggest going with a Hotcoat system from Eastwood. The cheap unit is ok for occasional use but step up to the next level if you want to be happy. You can run a cheap bucket siphon sand blaster but its a mess! Ive done an engine bay that way. Also if you cant get an oven there are uv curing lamps but you will want to get the low temp powder if you try that.
It is very much an economy of scales. The air compressor and air dryer is another thing you need. Want to be sure the air is dry and pressure regulated.
The important part is that it's not as difficult as it seems. Paint is usually something I fear doing because of the possibility of messing it up but this just shows that you really just need confidence
nah paint is really hard to get right. His diy cover looked like SHIT! Is it good enough? Maybe.. but it's like 1/5 compared to the 4/5 job the pro did.
Man seriously. Zach Jobes content on donut is the only content that's worth watching. He does such a good job and actually knows about working on cars, unlike everyone else on donut. Good shit. 👌
I was JUST looking into doing this in my garage. Thanks Zach for making all the mistakes for me!!! Love 🍩
Oh don't worry, you'll still make mistakes. Good luck.
done a few years powder coating and its so much fun. couple of tips.
being too close will cause a lot more static build up which makes "fisheyes" pop up
since its a cheap gun, flow/build up issues inside are pretty normal, regular blowing out will help with it spitting and leaving lumps.
best way for something like this is to get the tight spaces/corners first then stand back, turn up the air flow and spray from distance, essentially letting it fall without adding more and more static.
still an awesome job for a first try. wish i did that good on my first run hahaha
This is a great series concept. Keep it coming!
I try to powder coat all my own parts, just like anything prep is the key. I like the fact that the part is ready to handle unlike paint, and always prebake any part that has been subject to oil or other highly contaminating substance. I use a cheap Sears unit that works great sandblasting is a must.
This type of content never fails to amaze me.
I am glad that you made this video. I have been looking into getting the equipment to do it myself. The only experience is a few years ago when I used to live in Florida and my buddy did powder coating all the time. He had the professional oven, the chemicals, and the sandblaster. Me starting off I don't have that so this video definitely helped me out with learning what I could achieve and what to spend a little bit more on a better gun because as you said in the video it is honestly worth it. Thank you again for this very helpful video
Donut always has the best sponsorship ads, I don’t mind watching them because they make them so funny and interesting
For the record, this is the only channel i don't FFW the publicity, dudes i love your creativity.
I'd be curious to see how the at home job holds up down the line. I've seen some at home powder coat jobs start to flake off after a couple of years.
I think it’s also because you have to powder clear coat them to preserve the powder coat and finish.
Been home powedercoating for over 20 years and still have my powdercoating original cabinet which was a 60 inch widescreen TV box. with a house filter in the rear with attachment to use a shop vac .. cost less then $2 to make is now decades old and other then the cost of house filters works fine. Can powdercoat stuff for less then $3 in materials what it would cost me hundreds to pay someone to do per item. Just gotta learn what not to do .. and it helps having a professional blasting cabinet. and electrolosis tank home made as well (for rust)
This is awesome. Wonder if it would be a bit more easy with rims?! I'm considering trying this with a set of rotiform CCVs....
You'd need to find an oven big enough to fit the wheel into
06:35 lol @ that sound effect. I love the honest take; it's one of the reasons why I watch you guys. Thumbs Up!
I think you totally knocked that Valve cover out of the park Zach.
I used to powder paint, for a company. Hanging parts and running the assembly line and running one side of a powder booth. Don't miss that job. Lol.. Great video I enjoyed it.
Most every shop should have a sandblasting cabinet.
Im thinking about refurbishing my wheels because the clear coat is mostly gone and theres some paint getting removed now. 8:47 is some coated CE28n wheels which is my wheels... guess I gotta do it now.
Most of the time you pay for the experience and time someone has consumed to learn and other times for the equipment. Doing things yourself may not have the best outcome but it's a learning experience and over time you might reach the level of a pro.
From the sound of it part of your your problem was air pressure. My powder coat system operates at 5-10psi, I use a regulator and filter right at the gun. My gun is an Eastwood, and has a little thumb switch to add the charge. Additionally a previous comment said hanging parts and this is a good point too.
But again, far from professional, bought the kit to do my own stuff.
After you clean it you have to use gloves, the oils in your hand will make powder fail.
I bought a $130 gun from Eastwood
and it works pretty darn good. I've been very happy with the results and after watching this video I can say that the Eastwood gun out performs the harbor freight gun. The Eastwood gun also has two power settings. In my case I got the oven free so I have less than $150 in the entire setup. It's fun and it's cool to do it myself and my results especially with a little practice have been more than acceptable
$200 is the cheapest I've ever heard from anyone. That's actually kinda insanely low priced.
I'm saying. It's probably because the shop specifically does powdercoating and very little else.
@@TheDarkPacificbeen to few powder coating places down here and all of them were $600+ for cam covers. So I guess I just need to ship mine to this dude.
@@DBuilds yah no shit. Like its almost stupid not to, at the price.
@@DBuilds did you ship your covers to him?do you have any details on how he did?
@@rpdallast5965 nah man still doing performance work to my car. I'll look into it after I'm doing lighting money on fire.
i think this is the only channel i watch the ads all the way through cause of how entertaining yet gets the point across.
Day 312 of asking Donut to bring old B2B back
The biggest obstacle to powder coat DIY is size of the oven. I used an Eastwood garage kit to do a set of Jeep Wrangler wheels for my first try ever but the 15” wheels barely fit in the old oven I had.
For anyone that actually wants to try it themselves I recommend it, but few pointers to be able to plan ahead:
Have a good and accurate regulator for your compressor (usually you want like 15psi tops).
Have some good in line desiccant filters and moisture traps in the air line, you want the air as dry as possible.
And do your best to avoid getting the tip of the powder gun nozzle too close to the part, you can cause an electric arc to jump to the part which will leave a crater in the powder that will end up in the final product….learned that the hard way lol
to Cameraman/editor: bro, stop zooming in and out so agressively.
Hey @Donut, quick tip for you. Shiny surfaces will test lower with a laser temp gun, dull or black surfaces will show more accurately. Usually at my work I use a touch probe temp gauge or if I can't do that, I put something that is dull or black in the oven with my parts and will test those instead of the shiny parts.
So your 400°F temp may have been more like 425°F
I love how DIY lost on every front and Zach still counted that as a win for DIY 🤣🤡🤡
My buddy and I have had success with it. Sending it out works great if you live near a city with access to a shop.
I'm a professional homeowner and live out in the sticks. I use an old oven to do my own powder coating.
This was the best Donut production I have seen. I will say that I've seen 75% of the content on here from the channel's inception. Bravo. The ford GT up to speed is a close second.
I use that mask every day at my job and just those filters alone are meant primarily for fumes, not for dust or fine particulate. I'd highly recommend getting the dust filters to go along with it when you're doing anything with fine particles.
doesn't pertain exactly to this video, but thank you so much for all the amazing content. I've been working on my car and slowly becoming more of a car person over the past few years. Donut media was a big help with so many projects and inspiration. Now, I'm that guy in an old Saturn Sky where I'm asked all the time, "Why are you adding a supercharger? It'd be cheaper to just buy an old corvette and faster." And of course, my response is, "True... But this is fun, sooooo...."
Absolutely love the small 3D animations on all the equipment you use!
No matter what no one said doing any diy was going to be easy. But for those that don't mind spending the money then I am glad to take your money like any shop while providing a service. If a diy wants help then most shop or guys will give advice here on TH-cam or other platforms I know I do to help anyone out. Now for most diy'ers they roll up there sleeves and get dirty. Doing it by yourself and showing your work is a priceless reaction on anyone's face. Just my 2 cents.
Learning is life. Thanks guys for the awesome content. Shout out to Chris's business. That's an affordable yes to great work. Be proud and keep going.
after seeing the reletive ease with he did this project made me way more interested in at home powder coating. I love the look of a good powder coat over painting and I might do this myself if I ever have a good reason to.
look into the ez 50 and or the ez 100 gun. they work pretty good for a starter wanting to get a little more into it. prismatic powders have a great selection to choose from color wise. pick up a used sand blasting cabinet. I recommend around an 80 grit sand to use in it. great finish and not to rough. pay close attention to the cure cycles of the powder... most are around 400 degrees *part temp* which means the timer starts when the part you are coating reaches 400. up in ohio a k series valve cover we usually coat for around 50 to 60 bucks depending on color and what you want done.
I had to comment once my guy had to redo his work, which was his first time powder coating anything. Love it. Knew he could do better after his first go
This is cool. Alternatives are thin ceramic coating paint which sprays on. A heat gun could be substituted for an oven but more labour. For my high compression engine I need maximum heat rejection so I'm going for a mirror polish bare surface. Also, people literally leave old ovens by the side of the road and scrap metal people just take them. So you can get that for free just by driving around. Or look on freecycle.
Ive been noticing a lot of attention being brought to powder coating by big channels in recent months. As a someone who owns a powder coating shop i thinks its awesome!! Its kind of hard to explain this process to someone who has never heard of it or seen it being done so thanks Donut Media 🍩 🤘🏻
I've a stalled resto project and have access to an old oven and I'm now really considering taking on powdercoating parts myself. Think I'd spend a little more on the gun though given I don't have much cost for the oven. Awesome video, loved it.
I have the Eastwood powder coating gun. I enjoy it. I have powder coated motorcycle parts, hand gun slides, and other items. I was looking at the Harbor Freight system when I first started, but I did not like the foot switch. The Eastwood beginner system has a handheld trigger system which I think it works better. Inconsistencies are kind of tricky and frustrating, but when it flows out it seems to come out pretty well. I am looking into upgrading to the Eastwood pro setup eventually.
some manufacturing processes ive seen also apply a static charge to the thing they want to powder coat to make the coating more efficient and prevent too much loss
No way that was a "C+"!!! Looks pretty good, Zach! At least a B++!!!
We bought a used powder coating system with 12 pounds of paint off eBay for $125.00. Picked up an old stove for free only the oven worked. Took the oven back to the shop put a few test parts in our sandblast cabinet to clean them up. Turn the oven on to preheat to 400°. Here is a tip warm up your part first you can use a small propane torch as you run the heat over the part you will see moisture drawn out. Apply powder and back for 20 minutes let cool. I have done valve covers, oil pans, coil springs anything that will fit in a standard kitchen oven.
Something that was shown to me for powder coating was using your phones flashlight to look for any reflections in the metal, it helps to know if you have enough paint layed down
Orange Peel is the term you're looking for. Also in my humble, the shaky shaky never works. Always have more material than you think you'll need. And always clean the gun in between procedures. If you're not willing to let something go and you want to respray it, clean up and start over proper. I'm a cabinet and house sprayer (but have shot some cars and some parts professionally), but take it with a grain of salt, as all painters are nuts lol. All in all that thing was spraying like a champ. Great video man! (Oh and I would be wearing a respirator even when I was pouring that shit by the way).
I did the DIY version of this several years ago. It's not hard to find old ovens for free. I picked an old one up from behind Lowes. It looked like it was from the 80s but worked perfectly. The biggest problem I had was getting the powdercoat into crevasses. Sometimes the powder just refused to go.
Best wishes to you all, from, Auckland, New Zealand, awesome vid and commentary and what a cool nice guy at the pro shop.cheers for posting🍻🍻🍻🙂🙂🙂
Having done many a 'for a buddy' Cerakoting jobs, you'll definitely eat your shirt on prep time and materials in a DIY setup, especially if you're doing other project simultaneously that don't involve the coating process, but the fun in doing a pro-level custom job comes with its own satisfaction for sure. I've never done powdercoating like this as I get very good results from Cera that involve higher abuse/aggressive/challenging environments, but it looked like an interesting and very similar process for 90% of the job.
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The fact that i Watch this despite i have no plans to powdercoat says alot about this channel and the hosts. So entertaining and interesting everytime.
honestly, i like that outcome, i mean powder coating, you have everything, you can DIY powder coat your wheels, valve cover, manifold, even do it for some friends, i definitely call that DIYable