13.24 @ 107 quarter and 5.3 second 0-60 on crappy old tire technology is really impressive. Imagine it launching on modern Michelin Pilots. Even better times.
Whats cool about these old cars is they can be made to handle quite a bit better by just doing some bolt on work Modern springs, bushings, shocks, and sway bars will do a lot for the old full body on frame cars of the 50's-70's. Then mounting new radial tires and rims also helps tremendously.
I worked at Demmer Engineering as a young teenager, watching these cars being built. We were told not to say anything about them because GM wasn't happy about the Olds General Manager doing this without total approval. The '68 Hurst Olds was almost as fast as the '66 W-30, probably the fastest "stock" production car made by Olds.
Hi Tbone, I lived in Lansing for a couple of years and made sure to take some pictures of the outside of Demmer Engineering for posterity's sake. Hey, I was ten years old when I was in the Superior Pontiac store in Flint or Saginaw with my grandpa, when two car haulers loaded with the first '69 Carousel Red GTO Judges were being delivered. THAT, was something! Have a good one.
390 H.P. is Waaaaaay underrated for this beast. Lying about H.P. numbers (to the low side) was common in those days. This car is the holy grail for Olds lovers!
True they were all underrated.. My buddy had a '70 4 4 2 W-30 with stick grind camshaft 328 duration craiger hot pipe headers and Holly card a few timing tricks and running 12:60's in the 1/4 mile... And it had the "F" Marine Heads that the Factory used that year myself I had a '66 425ci. Automatic in a '67 Cutlass Supreme that was totally rebuilt putting out 525HP the 330 ci. 4-Speed that came out of the '67 went into a '64 F-85 Deluxe that was also done making 400HP they where nice motors to work on and easy to make HP with ... Like Joe Mondelo said you can squeeze 100 HP just out of the heads itself...
@@peterrivney552 Our family car was a 1965 Olds Dynamic 88 (two door) with a Rocket 425 and a stock TWO BARREL. The thing would roast the right rear tire from a stop for as long as you held the gas pedal down and up-shift gears while it was doing it. LOL. Low end torque like crazy.
That car was a beast! I owned a 1972 cutlass supreme 350 rocket with a shift kit and posi traction. Boy did i loved that car! Wish i still have it today! Ohhh...and those polyglass tires only last you a week if your lucky! With all them burnouts and cornering! The tires where done!😎👍
@TechMaven ... while you are correct about the 308 cam in the non air Hursts, and the Ram Rods, and W31s, you are incorrect on the 68-69 W30 cars, they were equipped with a 328 duration cam.
Agreed. A very bold and distinctive design. Once they did that wide-split grille (following Pontiac 9 years later) they never left it, and led to some very bland, awful designs in the coming years.
And the 1968-69 Olds lookwd terrific, too! This H/O is one of those in these years with curvy styling. So svelte these Olds mid-sizes were that GM nicknamed them "Youngmobiles!"
People mentioned the cam here. This was a Hurst Olds, not a 442. More of a specialty car. The H/O had better heads, cam, headers, ect, they mention that in the video. In fact, the 442 didn't have a 455 in 68, they had the Olds 400. The Hurst Olds was more like the Shelby Mustang's of the era or the ZL-1 Camaros. It was a car you could buy at the dealership, but it was a bit more special.
I had a '68 442 and every mod they put on this Hurst was a great idea, particularly the rear stabilizer bars, glass tires, full race cam. Ram air came with the 442 and if you were either lucky, well connected or rich, you could get the 455 ci. The track times 0 to 60 mph @ 5.3 seconds were representative of the breed. For its time this was one mummy f-er of a fast car.
Those are my 2 favorite brands also! I had the Hurst, a 67 442 and a 69 442. And if you watch all these vids, the Olds' handled FAR better than the rest!
john robert I had a much later 1982 Cutlass with the 4.3 (260cid) V8 and later on a 1988 Monte Carlo with the 4.3V6. Anyway, the Olds and Chevy are supposed to be on the same chassis, but I have to tell you the Olds both rode and handled so much better!
trucking604 Most of my Chevy head friends look down on Olds and Pontiac, but Olds and Pontiac were way ahead of Chevy, especially in the early days of NASCAR. Olds had a high compression OHV engine in 1949, Chevy only had a 216 cid inline six.
With tuning and exhaust work there was another 50 hp over factory specs in most of these old big block cars. But the motors were only good for a limited time by today's standards. If you raced them they didn't last long. But overhauls were cheap and easy. And at overhaul you could make them so they would last at speed. I learned to race using FE Fords in a Mustang. It was a blast. 400 hp and 3000 pounds was pretty easy. Some of the 60s factory rides were 500 hp and
Not really Robert the cam in this is what was stock in the Hurst edition. The Hurst edition had a big cam and was way more powerful than the regular run of the mill 442. As for the headers I'm not sure if they meant the stock manifolds or actual headers. And if they meant actual headers how much do they flow because the stock manifolds from what I know were not very restrictive.
The motor was breathed on. The cam had an adv duration of 308* on both side - still not as wild as the 400 w30, but enough to wake it up. And headers mean headers. I was there. 5.3 is impressive, 3600# isnt light and bias ply tires need about 20# of air to get any traction. Give me a ‘66 W30 - bolt on headers - and you’re gonna walk this like she’s standin’ still....
ALthough I like the styling of the 72 Olds 442 the best, this car is a stone cold killer...390 HP, and you could hear the excitedment uin Buds voice just describing it....What a car...Does anybody know what the MSRP was back then?
Love watching these old road tests! This one hits home because I have #511 of 515 at home in the garage....full frame-off resto nearly complete. When I show it, I'm sure I'll have this video playing on my iPad!
Radial tires do t like to drift. They like adhesion then they’re like ice skates. Heavy under steer and 500# of tq can walk around a corner if you stay in it.
I agree. I googled a couple of variations and this take is really the only one that came close to making sense: Mau Mau is a card game for 2 or more players that is popular in Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands[citation needed] and some other areas. For more than 5 players, 2 packs of cards may be used. Whoever gets rid of his/her cards first wins the game. Mau Mau is very similar to the game Uno and Flaps, both belonging to the larger Crazy Eights or Shedding family of card games. Contents
I am 65 and love these old beasts rolling around the tracks, in the mid 70's i had a buddy who bought a 66 442 X drag car with a 455 that was balanced, W-30 cam and the REAL TUBULAR AUTOMOTIVE headers which kept blowing gaskets but with 433 gears it ran strong and surprised plenty of people
If you compare to new cars with similar weight and quarter times it’s about right. Compared to the other engines of the time and ratings, I guess it could be said the numbers are on the low side. Takes a good running car to go 13.2 back then. Heck LS2 vette is advertised in motor trend or motor week at 13.0 and weighs what 3300 with claimed 400hp 400tq. Less the weight and figure the olds is loosing a few tenths to wheel spin and you have similar numbers. I bet that vette with auto would be a super close comparison bc I believe my LS2 vette numbers are from stick. They claimed the 05 LS2 GTO 13.2@107 400hp/tq. 🤷🏻♂️Fun to think about.
@@allentoyokawa9068 no not the case, all mid tier performance engines up to the 1969 model year were underrated for insurance purposes and in 1970 from the 1hp / cubic inch law, it wasnt until 1971 where compression ratios would drop from further insurance complications, same in 72 as with rising gas prices and leaded fuel on the way out, no way to lubricate the high performance valves properly, and so on Hemis have been built to factory spec and make 475hp, same with the LS6 454 and also in 69 with the copo 427 435hp, and the 290hp 302 z28 motor... thats a laugh, they rated them at lower RPM, if you watch a stock drag video on here somewhere of a verdero green 68 GTO with a ram air 4 was half a fender behind the tuxedo black LS6 Chevelle, rated 390hp vs a rated 450 hp? in essentially the same car being an A body? ram air 4 was hella underrated
@charbilly Hey, great to hear of a fellow Minnesotan who owned a '68 Hurst Olds. I was a junior in High School-Lincoln Senior High School in Bloomington, when I got my introduction to the car. A friend and classmate had an older brother who had bought one. Being totally mesmerized by muscle cars, I practically fell over when I saw this Hurst Olds. I didn't get a ride, but I can attest to the fact that it lays down the greatest rubber patches you have ever seen.
Awesome. Before 'hooking up' was discovered. They'd just boil the tires until they finally caught traction, and all 0-60 times and 1/4 times were done with the rear tires smoking all the way through. I wonder how fast those cars really were if they could actually hook up.
Awesome combo of speed and comfort. The only thing I dont like about the Hurst/Olds is that they were only available with the Turbo 400 auto trans with no 4 speed option. But they were still one of the nicest overall muscle cars ever built along with the Olds 442, the Buick GS/GSX, and the Mercury Cougar XR-7. They were definitely an executive muscle car
my dad bought a 1968 442 brand new right before i was born. it was jueneu grey with black twin racing stripes, 400 cu. inch automatic floor shift. he had it until 1973 when he wrecked it. my mom told me that she had no idea why cars had to be made to go so fast
at 5:14 it looks as though there is a heat pipe coming up to the air cleaner, i do not think this would be here if headers got installed but i will say the cam sounds more like the 328 than the 308.
adfasdfasdfluy the ram air consisted of a dual snorkel aircleaner with hoses going to air scoops mounted under the front bumper. The engine was a 455 cid Olds rated at 390 HP and 500 ft/lbs torque, The keynote feature was the Hurst His/Hers shifter and a beefed TH400 auto, I bought one in the summer of 1968. I had a 67 442 which I had taken in to the Olds dealership in Hopkins, Mn. The Hurst Olds was sitting on the showfloor and I took it for a test drive and bought it on the spot. Thanks!
Lord Apophis i remember when they were new i also remember a couple weeks ago there was a 68 olds hurst like that sitting outside in front of a shop in front of a 68 nova and now there not there now its a prius taking its spot😑😑😑 how disappointing it was to me now i dont have something to look at while i go to the grocery store
13.24 107mph et for H/O vs 14.1 for Hemi Charger 500 - and do you think Hemis had AC? This is the all time Bud Lindeman Car and Track record to my knowledge and information. IMO, Olds was not just the best supercar, but the best car in the world overall at the time certainly if cost is taken into consideration - in many ways though, even if cost was no object.
That's bull shit. First the reg olds ran 14.6 Amy Hemi car with tune no, put timing where they wanted it, mess with the carbs and slowest real world was 13.5 or 6. HEMI CUDAS AVERAGED 13.05
@11second69nickeynova Wrong a regular " hemi tune. Real dealers would tell you the specs they were meant to run at, they would turn from ,13.05- 13.5. I own a Speed Shop and A- 12 69 440 6bbl runner and I have beaten 3 Hemi cars that were stock and not tuned the others that put their timing where intended, adjusted carbs etc usually ran from 13.4 or 5 down to 13 o5 If you were a good HEMI TUNER, 12.88 TO 12.92 WERE RIGHT FOR E BODIES
5.3, on bias-ply? Crazy. Listen to that thing idle. Too bad they didnt have slotted and cross drilled rotors. The idle eminds me of a Hemi Dodge Dart GTS that I rode in once, and it was scary.
+eric wsmith With very slight differences,mainly having to do with clearance issues for disc brakes,and how the center caps attach? (Like on a '68,they bolted in from behind,but soon they just pried off and pressed in with metal 'tangs'?)
They were referred to as super stock 2 wheels. The super stock 1 wheels looked a lot like the 69 SS Chevelle wheels and we're still available on 442's.
@zLOSTNOMOREz haha no kidding! I hope that someday when my funds are all set up that my '77 Cutlass Supreme will sound just as good as this '68 does and handle even better! Still cry every time I watch a video about Oldsmobiles knowing they'll never come back.
That lope in the cam is the same cam used in the W31 manual trans cars. They are lumpy! In 70 with that cam power brakes were not available because of the lack of engine vacuum. As far as the spin out goes, look close at who it was driving. It was Jack Watson and he was pushing that car to the limits since he loves putting on a good show. I have a 68 442 4 speed and can say it handles very well for an unrestored old war horse but lacks that 455 punch!
Hurst Always Did Such Cool Set-Ups, Especially on the with Olds- But Any Car Manufacturer Hurst was Contracted with Came Out Amazing, Look at Those 390-401 SC Ramblers or the Hurst Grand Prix was Really Something......
The way they show the acceleration clips, seems to imply they are doing neutral drops. You hear them rev it, then see the shifter go in low, and then its sideways 😂
@@MrTheHillfolk You can tell becsuse, to me, it's so obvious. I dont think they had good quality interior camera setups in those days and the clip is so short. Why not show a longer clip shifting?
I miss the days of personal luxury vehicles. Today the look alike SUV and pickup truck craze is as boring and sleepy as hell. No lines....just rectangles and squares.
These cars were under appreciated for years....you could pick them up for close to nothing. People started to wake the f-up and now their through the roof. Good luck trying to find one in original condition.....
It's amazing how things change. Those Goodyear Polyglas tires were likely bias-ply or bias-belted ply tires, NOT radials, and they were whitewalls on a performance car! Europe was quick to adopt radial tires and disc brakes in the '60s, but it took the USA until the '70s to get on board. I know for a fact that in 1975, some of the low cost American cars had bias ply tires and front drum brakes standard. It's all relative to the times, I'm sure. They called that Olds' handling good. Mostly I'm seeing a really sloppy handling car with a lot of body roll. Also, it has a ton of understeer mitigated ONLY by heavy use of the throttle. That's the joy of incremental improvements: modern cars handle SO much better, but it didn't happen overnight.
This test car has no A/C which means it has the 3.90 rear and hot 308 cam. Also the non A/C tranny has firner shifts and higher shift points. It was stock except for a set of headers and likely a "prep for the press". 13.2 at 107 is the fastest of all tests MaccalsntDead has posted, including the big bad hemi....Second fastest? The 71 W-30 convertible!
That wasn't a stock cam even for a Hurst Olds. That idle was way lumpy when he first drove up in that car. It was common for car companies to cheat and send testers test cars with hot tunes.
I believe that cam is stock for that car. Cams then had huge duration and big overlap, but not much lift. Modern high performance cams have much more lift and much faster ramp times to open and close. The new cams smoke the older cams, more power and better idle/driveability. I believe that cam is stock for that car.
13.24 @ 107 quarter and 5.3 second 0-60 on crappy old tire technology is really impressive. Imagine it launching on modern Michelin Pilots. Even better times.
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Whats cool about these old cars is they can be made to handle quite a bit better by just doing some bolt on work Modern springs, bushings, shocks, and sway bars will do a lot for the old full body on frame cars of the 50's-70's. Then mounting new radial tires and rims also helps tremendously.
Just some modern sticky tires does alot, even with boaty suspension as long as its not a bumpy corner they are fair.
1970 Camaro control arms, with custom tie rod ends to use them on the Cutlass, really helps a lot.
I worked at Demmer Engineering as a young teenager, watching these cars being built. We were told not to say anything about them because GM wasn't happy about the Olds General Manager doing this without total approval. The '68 Hurst Olds was almost as fast as the '66 W-30, probably the fastest "stock" production car made by Olds.
Hi Tbone, I lived in Lansing for a couple of years and made sure to take some pictures of the outside of Demmer Engineering for posterity's sake. Hey, I was ten years old when I was in the Superior Pontiac store in Flint or Saginaw with my grandpa, when two car haulers loaded with the first '69 Carousel Red GTO Judges were being delivered. THAT, was something! Have a good one.
Oh yeah, my Dad had a '68 Cutlass S W31 Ram Rod 350, and I had a family member that was the personal pastry chef to the Old's family.
Jack was only supposed to put a maximum of a 400 cid under the hood but somehow was able to secured a deal to get the tornado 455 cid.
I am a die hard Ford fan, but this car is incredible. I love this car. I have to be honest, this car is beastly. Great job olds.
390 H.P. is Waaaaaay underrated for this beast. Lying about H.P. numbers (to the low side) was common in those days. This car is the holy grail for Olds lovers!
They estimate it closer to 440hp.
True they were all underrated..
My buddy had a '70 4 4 2 W-30 with stick grind camshaft 328 duration craiger hot pipe headers and Holly card a few timing tricks and running 12:60's in the 1/4 mile... And it had the "F" Marine Heads that the Factory used that year myself I had a '66 425ci. Automatic in a '67 Cutlass Supreme that was totally rebuilt putting out 525HP the 330 ci. 4-Speed that came out of the '67 went into a '64 F-85 Deluxe that was also done making 400HP they where nice motors to work on and easy to make HP with ... Like Joe Mondelo said you can squeeze 100 HP just out of the heads itself...
@@peterrivney552 Our family car was a 1965 Olds Dynamic 88 (two door) with a Rocket 425 and a stock TWO BARREL. The thing would roast the right rear tire from a stop for as long as you held the gas pedal down and up-shift gears while it was doing it. LOL. Low end torque like crazy.
The 68-69 Hurst Olds were Beasts. Would spin the tires for a block and was like sitting in your living room
That car was a beast! I owned a 1972 cutlass supreme 350 rocket with a shift kit and posi traction. Boy did i loved that car! Wish i still have it today! Ohhh...and those polyglass tires only last you a week if your lucky! With all them burnouts and cornering! The tires where done!😎👍
185 HP...
@TechMaven ... while you are correct about the 308 cam in the non air Hursts, and the Ram Rods, and W31s, you are incorrect on the 68-69 W30 cars, they were equipped with a 328 duration cam.
5.3 seconds is still good, even today.
5.3 seconds to 60mph? Imagine if there was no wheel spin? And holy torque monster. Epic car.
It had a 390 bhp 455 under the hood so it doesn't surprise me
@@johnmiller9024 Surfing those car magazines like a boss John!
'68 was the best looking year. The front end on the '68s should have been carried over a few more years.
Agreed. A very bold and distinctive design. Once they did that wide-split grille (following Pontiac 9 years later) they never left it, and led to some very bland, awful designs in the coming years.
I like the closer headlights.
'68 was the best looking year. These cars had it all. Looks, comfort and performance.
And the 1968-69 Olds lookwd terrific, too! This H/O is one of those in these years with curvy styling. So svelte these Olds mid-sizes were that GM nicknamed them "Youngmobiles!"
Man, that suspension is tight. Hardly any brake dive at all, even from 70 miles per hour, quite exceptional. And the handling definitely looked sweet.
Listen the idle on that! Bad ass. Good ole Doc Watson.
0-60 in 5.3 seconds is supercar territory even today, 50 years later
Thats crazy if you think about it....50 years!
If that car had modern rubber like Michelin Pilots, it surely is a high 12s car, probably dipping to 4.8 0-60.
People mentioned the cam here. This was a Hurst Olds, not a 442. More of a specialty car. The H/O had better heads, cam, headers, ect, they mention that in the video. In fact, the 442 didn't have a 455 in 68, they had the Olds 400. The Hurst Olds was more like the Shelby Mustang's of the era or the ZL-1 Camaros. It was a car you could buy at the dealership, but it was a bit more special.
Makes me wonder how well the a/c worked with that huge cam.
@@hendo337 compressor is run off a belt, air is pushed by an electric blower motor, camshaft has zero to do with a/c
But the under hood shot shows no a/c, and stock exhaust manifolds.
I had a '68 442 and every mod they put on this Hurst was a great idea, particularly the rear stabilizer bars, glass tires, full race cam. Ram air came with the 442 and if you were either lucky, well connected or rich, you could get the 455 ci. The track times 0 to 60 mph @ 5.3 seconds were representative of the breed. For its time this was one mummy f-er of a fast car.
13.24 in the quarter, astounding! Especially for a pretty big, relatively heavy car! Braking is just as impressive.
trucking604 QUickest and fastestof all the Car & Track tests on youtube. 2nd was the 71 W-30 convertible! Go Olds!!
john robert My brother had a '69 years ago. I always like it when Oldsmobile, as well as Pontiac come out on top!
Those are my 2 favorite brands also! I had the Hurst, a 67 442 and a 69 442. And if you watch all these vids, the Olds' handled FAR better than the rest!
john robert I had a much later 1982 Cutlass with the 4.3 (260cid) V8 and later on a 1988 Monte Carlo with the 4.3V6. Anyway, the Olds and Chevy are supposed to be on the same chassis, but I have to tell you the Olds both rode and handled so much better!
trucking604 Most of my Chevy head friends look down on Olds and Pontiac, but Olds and Pontiac were way ahead of Chevy, especially in the early days of NASCAR. Olds had a high compression OHV engine in 1949, Chevy only had a 216 cid inline six.
This was a fully warranted car. When you bought a Hemi it came with a 90 day warranty no shit. My toaster has a 90 day warranty.
Extremely fast car, and its a great family car if you can dig that
@Samsgarden That's what a well-geared trans, rear-end, and a GREAT engine can get you in such a large, heavy car! Wish my '77 was that fast!
Allways loved the looks and performance numbers of these early Hust/Olds. Thank you
unbelievable.... 0-60 in 5.3 seconds. lawd thats numbers of todays car's.
+Brian Mcghee And that's with PolyGlas tires!
And that is 5.3 seconds on crappy old technology tires. On modern gatorbacks, its probably 4.9 to 5.0 seconds.
With tuning and exhaust work there was another 50 hp over factory specs in most of these old big block cars. But the motors were only good for a limited time by today's standards. If you raced them they didn't last long. But overhauls were cheap and easy. And at overhaul you could make them so they would last at speed. I learned to race using FE Fords in a Mustang. It was a blast. 400 hp and 3000 pounds was pretty easy. Some of the 60s factory rides were 500 hp and
What is sad is lots of the people here,greatest generation have past. Rest in Peace. My Dad is 92,and still with us.
One of the greatest cars ever made
0-60 in 5.3!? that's a second faster then the GT500KR and it'll keep up with many of today's performance cars
Considering the crappy tires they had in 1968, 5.3 seconds is astonishing!!!
It is indeed fast; although, they did work the engine a bit. A cam and headers makes a big difference.
Not really Robert the cam in this is what was stock in the Hurst edition. The Hurst edition had a big cam and was way more powerful than the regular run of the mill 442. As for the headers I'm not sure if they meant the stock manifolds or actual headers. And if they meant actual headers how much do they flow because the stock manifolds from what I know were not very restrictive.
number3665 nice set up
The motor was breathed on. The cam had an adv duration of 308* on both side - still not as wild as the 400 w30, but enough to wake it up. And headers mean headers. I was there. 5.3 is impressive, 3600# isnt light and bias ply tires need about 20# of air to get any traction. Give me a ‘66 W30 - bolt on headers - and you’re gonna walk this like she’s standin’ still....
13:24@107 out of the box , still good numbers by today's standards. I sure miss those cars.
Dumbass. It is dubbed in
107 in the 1/4 mile..thats crazy fast for a car running 1960's bias ply technology!
5.3 seconds on those skinny bias based tires! Put modern rubber on it easily a mid 4 second car.
ALthough I like the styling of the 72 Olds 442 the best, this car is a stone cold killer...390 HP, and you could hear the excitedment uin Buds voice just describing it....What a car...Does anybody know what the MSRP was back then?
'72 in gold or black paint. Ok white also. And silver.
I had no idea they were that fast to 60 mph.
The tires of the time were like rocks, imagine what these cars can do on modern rubber!
The inverted air cleaner cover seems incongruous with the "ram air" option. This would completely defeat all the plumbing required for the latter.
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Ditto bugged me too
@@ztwntyn8 - Lid isn't "inverted", decals still showing, they just used a taller than stock air filter element... prolly 3" instead of 2"...
Arguably the best overall muscle car performer of that year. Capable of better times with modern tires
Couple of days before watching this I read Special Interest Autos lengthy test of this car. Excited to see this video.
My 68 Olds. Toronado with 10.25 to1 comp. would feel like your back was stuck to the seat upon hard acceleration!..haha
Love watching these old road tests! This one hits home because I have #511 of 515 at home in the garage....full frame-off resto nearly complete. When I show it, I'm sure I'll have this video playing on my iPad!
You still own it?
These shows are classic...love em!!
Thanks for sharing! That is beautiful to watch! I was born when this car was shredding rubber. I can almost smell it though.
@DJM442 That's what you call torque. Most of the performance cars built today don't even know what that is!
And in three short years from this, cars were ruined until the 90s.
Yes sirrrr. A runner. And all the drifting stuff that's popular now they were doing back then anyway.
Radial tires do t like to drift. They like adhesion then they’re like ice skates. Heavy under steer and 500# of tq can walk around a corner if you stay in it.
I agree. I googled a couple of variations and this take is really the only one that came close to making sense: Mau Mau is a card game for 2 or more players that is popular in Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands[citation needed] and some other areas. For more than 5 players, 2 packs of cards may be used. Whoever gets rid of his/her cards first wins the game. Mau Mau is very similar to the game Uno and Flaps, both belonging to the larger Crazy Eights or Shedding family of card games.
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5:21 A little thing called Ram Air. Does it work like it's supposed to with the top of the air cleaner flipped upside down?
That's extra Ram-Air
Lid isn't "inverted", decals still showing, they just used a taller than stock air filter element... prolly 3" instead of 2"...
I am 65 and love these old beasts rolling around the tracks, in the mid 70's i had a buddy who bought a 66 442 X drag car with a 455 that was balanced, W-30 cam and the REAL TUBULAR AUTOMOTIVE headers which kept blowing gaskets but with 433 gears it ran strong and surprised plenty of people
This engine is so underrated at 390hp
They estimate closer to 440hp gross.
@@Bridging_the_Political_Divide 440 hp at the crankshaft is probably about right. WAY over 500 lb ft too which was the best part.
If you compare to new cars with similar weight and quarter times it’s about right. Compared to the other engines of the time and ratings, I guess it could be said the numbers are on the low side. Takes a good running car to go 13.2 back then. Heck LS2 vette is advertised in motor trend or motor week at 13.0 and weighs what 3300 with claimed 400hp 400tq. Less the weight and figure the olds is loosing a few tenths to wheel spin and you have similar numbers. I bet that vette with auto would be a super close comparison bc I believe my LS2 vette numbers are from stick. They claimed the 05 LS2 GTO 13.2@107 400hp/tq. 🤷🏻♂️Fun to think about.
gross hp, so probably a lot less
@@allentoyokawa9068 no not the case, all mid tier performance engines up to the 1969 model year were underrated for insurance purposes and in 1970 from the 1hp / cubic inch law, it wasnt until 1971 where compression ratios would drop from further insurance complications, same in 72 as with rising gas prices and leaded fuel on the way out, no way to lubricate the high performance valves properly, and so on
Hemis have been built to factory spec and make 475hp, same with the LS6 454 and also in 69 with the copo 427 435hp, and the 290hp 302 z28 motor... thats a laugh, they rated them at lower RPM,
if you watch a stock drag video on here somewhere of a verdero green 68 GTO with a ram air 4 was half a fender behind the tuxedo black LS6 Chevelle, rated 390hp vs a rated 450 hp? in essentially the same car being an A body? ram air 4 was hella underrated
@charbilly Hey, great to hear of a fellow Minnesotan who owned a '68 Hurst Olds. I was a junior in High School-Lincoln Senior High School in Bloomington, when I got my introduction to the car. A friend and classmate had an older brother who had bought one. Being totally mesmerized by muscle cars, I practically fell over when I saw this Hurst Olds. I didn't get a ride, but I can attest to the fact that it lays down the greatest rubber patches you have ever seen.
These were nice looking cars!
Awesome. Before 'hooking up' was discovered. They'd just boil the tires until they finally caught traction, and all 0-60 times and 1/4 times were done with the rear tires smoking all the way through. I wonder how fast those cars really were if they could actually hook up.
Ringer?? No. Tuner? Yes! Like Shelby with Ford, and Yenko with Chevrolet, Hurst worked with Oldsmobile.
I get a kick how so many shows of this era have "Beatnik" Bongos being soundtracked it stead of the much cooler "Santana" percussion of 1968-72 ! : )
They called this the corvette killer! I had two of them!
Tireshredderjoe I had a non A/C 68 H/O. Awesome.
I own a Corvette that is probably only slightly quicker than the 1968 Olds, but it has decades of technology behind it.
Awesome combo of speed and comfort. The only thing I dont like about the Hurst/Olds is that they were only available with the Turbo 400 auto trans with no 4 speed option. But they were still one of the nicest overall muscle cars ever built along with the Olds 442, the Buick GS/GSX, and the Mercury Cougar XR-7. They were definitely an executive muscle car
There was one 4-speed built but they were scared of it breaking loose and going sideways and the law suits...
Gawd I'd love to have one of those. What a beauty. This is a great video.
the good ole days
Huh?
my dad bought a 1968 442 brand new right before i was born. it was jueneu grey with black twin racing stripes, 400 cu. inch automatic floor shift. he had it until 1973 when he wrecked it. my mom told me that she had no idea why cars had to be made to go so fast
I love it! We always gave them the respect they deserved. These cars were not a secret back then. Most people new how quick and fast they were.
azbeeman yet they were underrated for insurance policies so they are way faster then rated.
at 5:14 it looks as though there is a heat pipe coming up to the air cleaner, i do not think this would be here if headers got installed but i will say the cam sounds more like the 328 than the 308.
Rest in Peace,"Shifty Doc" Watson
adfasdfasdfluy the ram air consisted of a dual snorkel aircleaner with hoses going to air scoops mounted under the front bumper. The engine was a 455 cid Olds rated at 390 HP and 500 ft/lbs torque, The keynote feature was the Hurst His/Hers shifter and a beefed TH400 auto, I bought one in the summer of 1968. I had a 67 442 which I had taken in to the Olds dealership in Hopkins, Mn. The Hurst Olds was sitting on the showfloor and I took it for a test drive and bought it on the spot.
Thanks!
What an awesome video!
Brilliant video :) I think he says 13.24 seconds over the 1/4 mile, which is pretty fast! Or even a "goin' Jesse"
I need a time machine!
Lord Apophis i remember when they were new i also remember a couple weeks ago there was a 68 olds hurst like that sitting outside in front of a shop in front of a 68 nova and now there not there now its a prius taking its spot😑😑😑 how disappointing it was to me now i dont have something to look at while i go to the grocery store
I like all 1968 Oldsmobiles!
My Dream Car!
These are probably my favorite year Oldsmobiles.
Put slicks on it 12s all day long with AC running.
Oh the days of 7 inch slicks for stock classes at NHRA events.
Really wish Bud did the "70 LS6 And GSX road tests.
13.24 107mph et for H/O vs 14.1 for Hemi Charger 500 - and do you think Hemis had AC? This is the all time Bud Lindeman Car and Track record to my knowledge and information. IMO, Olds was not just the best supercar, but the best car in the world overall at the time certainly if cost is taken into consideration - in many ways though, even if cost was no object.
That's bull shit.
First the reg olds ran 14.6
Amy Hemi car with tune no, put timing where they wanted it, mess with the carbs and slowest real world was 13.5 or 6.
HEMI CUDAS AVERAGED 13.05
@11second69nickeynova
Wrong a regular " hemi tune. Real dealers would tell you the specs they were meant to run at, they would turn from ,13.05- 13.5.
I own a Speed Shop and A- 12 69 440 6bbl runner and I have beaten 3 Hemi cars that were stock and not tuned the others that put their timing where intended, adjusted carbs etc usually ran from 13.4 or 5 down to 13 o5
If you were a good HEMI TUNER, 12.88 TO 12.92 WERE RIGHT FOR E BODIES
Very hot car for sure.
5.3, on bias-ply? Crazy. Listen to that thing idle. Too bad they didnt have slotted and cross drilled rotors. The idle eminds me of a Hemi Dodge Dart GTS that I rode in once, and it was scary.
This looks like two guys having a conversation while one of them eats an ice cream cone.
I have myself 350 olds 68 but these are really beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the most awesome video!
Thank you so much for saving and posting!
Old,s kept those same wheels until about the late 80,s !
+eric wsmith With very slight differences,mainly having to do with clearance issues for disc brakes,and how the center caps attach? (Like on a '68,they bolted in from behind,but soon they just pried off and pressed in with metal 'tangs'?)
They were referred to as super stock 2 wheels. The super stock 1 wheels looked a lot like the 69 SS Chevelle wheels and we're still available on 442's.
@zLOSTNOMOREz haha no kidding! I hope that someday when my funds are all set up that my '77 Cutlass Supreme will sound just as good as this '68 does and handle even better! Still cry every time I watch a video about Oldsmobiles knowing they'll never come back.
That lope in the cam is the same cam used in the W31 manual trans cars. They are lumpy! In 70 with that cam power brakes were not available because of the lack of engine vacuum. As far as the spin out goes, look close at who it was driving. It was Jack Watson and he was pushing that car to the limits since he loves putting on a good show. I have a 68 442 4 speed and can say it handles very well for an unrestored old war horse but lacks that 455 punch!
The W-31 camshaft had less duration than a W-30. Both were long duration camshafts though
Omfg this thing was ahead of its time.
Awesome video man
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Air conditioning and stereo/tape - with 500 ft/lbs of torque @ 3600 rpm. Factory headers and cam. Yes, please.
8:26 .... more fun than a Mau Mau convention on Saturday night? I didn't realize what a festive people the Mau Mau were in the 60s.
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Hurst Always Did Such Cool Set-Ups, Especially on the with Olds- But Any Car Manufacturer Hurst was Contracted with Came Out Amazing, Look at Those 390-401 SC Ramblers or the Hurst Grand Prix was Really Something......
It's a "Goin' Jessie!" First time ever hearing that phrase and I've been around a while.
New polyglas tires squealing away.
1:25 "But, I did want you to talk with Jack........." And yet, we're WATCHING YOU talk with Jack, Bud!!!!!!
These cars carry themselves literally momentum is a major factor in taming these monsters
The long snout lean raked roofline aerocoupe body is still the best car body of any era.
Oldsmobile 442’s, Oldsmobile w machines and Hurst Olds are the best of the era.
wtf is a "goin jessie". love it!
A commotion or uproar or soneone that's energetic
The way they show the acceleration clips, seems to imply they are doing neutral drops.
You hear them rev it, then see the shifter go in low, and then its sideways 😂
He's not really shifting while driving. That shifting footage was edited in.
@@MrJohnnyDistortion haha I hope so, otherwise the next clip would be the transmission throwing up underneath the car 😝
@@MrTheHillfolk
You can tell becsuse, to me, it's so obvious. I dont think they had good quality interior camera setups in those days and the clip is so short. Why not show a longer clip shifting?
I think they do tire spin for the camera but the driver feathers it for the actual time trials...
why is the air filter cover on upside down? so much for getting cold air
One of the best all time cars of the era. Hands down top 3 cars for 68
More fun than a mau-mau convention on sat nite..and a well tuned car.
Love the choppy cam in it.
+rompn4x Yeah, almost sounds like he has open headers too
I miss the days of personal luxury vehicles. Today the look alike SUV and pickup truck craze is as boring and sleepy as hell. No lines....just rectangles and squares.
These cars were under appreciated for years....you could pick them up for close to nothing. People started to wake the f-up and now their through the roof. Good luck trying to find one in original condition.....
OLDSMOTORQUE!
It's amazing how things change. Those Goodyear Polyglas tires were likely bias-ply or bias-belted ply tires, NOT radials, and they were whitewalls on a performance car! Europe was quick to adopt radial tires and disc brakes in the '60s, but it took the USA until the '70s to get on board. I know for a fact that in 1975, some of the low cost American cars had bias ply tires and front drum brakes standard.
It's all relative to the times, I'm sure. They called that Olds' handling good. Mostly I'm seeing a really sloppy handling car with a lot of body roll. Also, it has a ton of understeer mitigated ONLY by heavy use of the throttle. That's the joy of incremental improvements: modern cars handle SO much better, but it didn't happen overnight.
This test car has no A/C which means it has the 3.90 rear and hot 308 cam. Also the non A/C tranny has firner shifts and higher shift points.
It was stock except for a set of headers and likely a "prep for the press". 13.2 at 107 is the fastest of all tests MaccalsntDead has posted, including the big bad hemi....Second fastest? The 71 W-30 convertible!
That wasn't a stock cam even for a Hurst Olds. That idle was way lumpy when he first drove up in that car. It was common for car companies to cheat and send testers test cars with hot tunes.
I believe that cam is stock for that car. Cams then had huge duration and big overlap, but not much lift. Modern high performance cams have much more lift and much faster ramp times to open and close. The new cams smoke the older cams, more power and better idle/driveability. I believe that cam is stock for that car.