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1969 Hurst / Olds Muscle Car Of The Week Video #69
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- 1969 Hurst / Olds Muscle Car Of The Week Video #69
Back before 1970, GM had a mandate that limited the engine cubic inch displacements in midsize "A" body cars like the Chevelle, GTO, and Cutlass 442 to 400 cubic inches. However, George Hurst and Doc Watson were able to create a special version of the Olds 442 that broke the mold, and allowed for an Olds 455 to be installed and sold through Oldsmobile dealers. Called the Hurst / Olds, these cars came to be in 1968, and by 1969, they were widely known for their outlandish styling, fully-loaded option list, and excellent performance. This example from the Brothers Collection is an unrestored survivor, a original car that was driven often... the way Hurst would have wanted!
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Beautiful car. Can you imagine living back then buying one of these in 1969 brand new and driving it away from the dealership. I would be listening to Crosby, stills and Nash or ccr . A great time to live in. Awesome cars and sweet music Era.
Back in 1971 I bought a used one from a Oldsmobile Dealer that was on display. It was my dream car to have. Long story short, I happen to run into the original owner of the car. I took my dads flat tire to a gas station in our town and that's were the original owner was getting his car an oil change. He started a conversation by asking if he could look at my car. After he came back he said that was his car that he traded in for the new Olds getting the oil changed. I just by chance mentioned the mileage and how it was just [ I don't remember the exact number now but it was 17 thousand plus] and he quickly said no. It was 34 thousand plus when he traded it in. He gave me the number and said if he could help me in anyway call. With proof of mileage from work done on the car [ from the original owner ] and the dealer not wanting to go to court. I got to keep the car and 3500$. Basically I got the car for free because they turned the odometer back and I could prove it!
Steven Reinke hey was this car 1969 Oldsmobile better than a 1971 mustang boss 351
Very kool 😎👍
Damn bro ! Great thing he held onto receipts
My husband and his twin brother both had 69 Hurst Olds when we first got married.
They were Bob and Rod Campbell, Waltham, Mass.
My Uncle had one of these 69' white / gold Hurst/Olds. He allowed me to drive it when I was 17ish. Still one of my favorite cars ever.
Your uncle sounds cool
I had a 68 Hurst/Olds that was painted to match the 69 H/O. the original owner was the bodyshop manager at Barker Olds in Bloominton IL. When he saw the 69 cars he liked them so much, he repainted his 68 to match. He did a fantastic job..but not sure it was the right move, but we never knew those old hot rods would ever be worth what they are today!
My husband bought one new in Carrollton, Oh. He owned it when we met. We went on our honeymoon in it. Ours didn't have ac although some sold in the west did. We owned it until about 20 years ago. It got to be a chore to keep up. But it was a wonderful car and amazingly fast. When you tromped on it, you could watch the gas guage drop!! Fun, fun car!
How often I saw the same thing! By the way your non-AC car would've had a 3:91 rear end whereas the ones with it, a 3:08, so much better mileage with a still impressive 1/4 mile time of 13.9. The 400's were much more forgiving as I had one of each; 70 W30 and 69 W30 with W25 hood.
it got to be a chore but if you waited that would have been a car worth over $100,000 now
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 If it had next to zero miles on it and was fully restored in immaculate original condition which you rarely if ever see on that car. Otherwise it would be worth no more than half that.....not that I wouldn't want to own one!
I remember the gas gauge drop well. If I kick it down into passing gear just to get around somebody when I looked at the gas gauge it had dropped 1/4". Totally worth the rush though. I got 8 miles per gallon and 6 miles per gallon with the AC on.
I was fortunate to work and drive a 1969 Hurst Olds. I was an Oldsmobile mechanic for Linda Oldsmobile in the Bronx at that time. Memories....⚙
When I was a kid, late 60's early 70's there was one of these in my little town in New Mexico. Rode the the bus or walked by it all the time. I was so impressed by this car. The Golden age of Muscle cars. Never had an Olds, but had three GTO's.
So much an evil shame....no oldsmobile no Pontiac or anything like real genetic 60 to 70s muscle cars left.
The new stuff....is for new kids.
Great memories of cars gone by...
I lived near the Lordstown Ohio plant.
That is a great travesty for many reasons.
I remember as a teenager hearing those Oldsmobiles coming down the street. Before I turned my head, I could tell by the unique rumble they had. Love my Olds.
Yes sur. The sweet sound of Olds V8 engines...my family lived in all the 60 70s GM v8 cars. But the Olds cars.....were a tad more special .
@Leo Coffy // Agreed. I grew up a Chevy/GM guy, but I could recognize a Ford Mustang from a block or two away! 😄👍👌✌🇺🇸
I have been in this hobby for 32 years....and the 68 and 69 Hurst Olds have always been in the top ten on my list.
Not to mention the 1970 Buick GSX
Cool car American muscle in the making.
Having driven my 70 W30, and 67 442 with 455 transplant, I can only imagine this car was fun to drive as well. Thumb up.
In the 60s and through the 70s my daddy had used car lots and I grew up on them working on cars. I became a professional transmission rebuilder. but on the car lots I got to drive and work on them all! I remember daddy had one of these exact cars on his lot. it was beautiful! the dual gate shifter was known as a "his and hers" shifter. GTOs had them also,,,,,,,,,,,
One of my favorite Oldsmobiles ever produced. My faves are the 68 Hurst/Olds and 70 442 W30
Same here...mostly noticed that most dreamt of 69 but few of us loved 68...loved the 68 tough look..those split four circular headlights resembles of true muscle car..and that flat headlights stacked between body and bumper...badazz
Awesome car's😎👍
A dream car of mine. Such a tough looking car..
Bob Saget SAME HERE! Just Looking At It Makes Me Want One Also! LOL!!!
Man...GM A-body's in any year were bad-ass gorgeous...is that a real word?
You got that right 👌
Exactly true 😎👍
A local dealer had one of these. My brother purchased a new 68 442, W30, and when he saw this, he wanted to trade in the 68. My dad said no! Engine is too big, and you still owe on the one you're driving. So no Hurst Olds. We did drool over the one in the showroom. What an eye catcher, at the time. Great memories.
In 1976 when I was 15 I bought my first car for $750.00. A 1969 Hurst Olds, Demmer #39. Now at 56 I am doing a frame off restoration of the car. It’s not #’s matching but I have found transmission #1716 and I have the proper heads and intake and cab, air cleaner and mirrors. I only lack the right distributor and alternator. Since my car is original paint I can attest to the stripes on the front fender being wrong. This car does have the right intake manifold and mirrors.
Fantastic, good on you .
I noticed that right away. Why wouldn't they make them correct? otherwise nice car.
About 5 years ago I was checking out an Indian motorcycle for sale for a friend during a trip to Colorado. The owner of the bike led me to his barn and sitting right next to the Indian was one of these H/O's. I couldn't believe my eyes. He was the original owner and we pretty much spent the whole time talking about the car, lol.
I really wish to I had kept one of my Oldsmobile's , they were awesome car's 😎👍😜
Could have been my dad you’re talking about.
these videos are teasing the hell out of me olds 442 is at the top of my favorite cars
Mine too
The REO Olds museum in Lansing, MI has a beautiful 69 Hurst/Olds in their collection. It's been there for years. A beautiful car and an awesome place to visit for anyone into cars, engines and general Oldsmobile history dating back to their very beginning.
I love how a smattering of fins/spoilers, decals, Chrome medallions and a larger volume carburetor bolted on to a 455 cubic inch V8.
and it costed an extra $1500.
One can’t help but smash the like button. Beautiful Olds
Any Cutlass with the 455 needed only one mod....a larger oil pan, maybe at least 7 quarts. Then it'd be able to run on the Autobahn at 150 mph.
Not Likely...
Thanks for the video , it brought back sweet memories of my younger days , I owned at least 25 of these cars , very similar to this one 😎👍, I love the Hurst Oldsmobile cutlass it was and still is my favorite car ,I absolutely love the body style and it's awesome power ,🤩😎👍
I would like to see some Oldsmobiles from the 1950s on here. After all, many argue that Oldsmobile built the first Musclecars in the 50s. Some Oldsmobile was the first to put an overhead valve V8 with 300 horsepower or more in to a mid-sized car.
I have also read publications that claim before the popularity of the small block Chevy, Cadillac and Oldsmobile were more often the go to engines when building pre-war street-rods.
In 1972, my friend had one, the 69 Olds Hurst Olds High Output 455 and I had the 69 GTO Judge 400 RA lll 4 spd. He drove his into a guardrail at about 130 mph, he lived but the car was so destroyed, a year later I spun a bearing in my Judge and just sold it with a 69 replacement 400 350 hp motor ... Every generation has their Happy Days !
How gorgeous and rare this car is! LOVE it and thank you for sharing...
i like to olds, but I think the 68 hurst olds silver/black was the best looking, I seen one back in the mid 80's running 12.80's,,,,,, it was good times riding around in it,
Tim thats my dream Sunday car to cruise sround in, 1968 Hurst Olds, Peruvian silver with Onyx bkack.
I had a 455 White/Gold Hurst Olds in college and it was a great car. It was a very fast car with power seats, windows, cruise control, power mirrors and nice leather bucket seats. I wish I kept the car!
i also had 4 of them,i repainted three of them gold with white stripes for contrast.
We had fun in one of those ! They were really nice and they ran good too! Fun Fun Fun 😃👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Great video !!! Love Oldsmobiles!!
I owned car #421 Had it for 18 years. Spent all it's life in Ca. No rust what so ever.
ENCOMAN ENCO Nice Job!
I owned at least 25 of these awesome cutlass's when I was younger I loved them all they had a great body style and were very powerful machines ,😎❤️👍
One note on the Hurst Olds 69; it is running a R6 air conditioning compressor. It was revolutionary in its design and its durability. My Dad actually was on the team that developed that compressor and told me of its design, testing, and finally its demise due to fuel economy. That compressor is still being used and can be rebuilt.
Who the hell are these '"Brothers"? LOL! They got some good taste I can tell'ya that much.
Yes they do. Seems like most of their cars come from the best era in automotive history...1955-74. The 55 Chrysler 300 was the first real muscle car and the 74 Trans Am 455 SD was the last
Can they make a museum to walk through or arecthey too poor? These cars are pretty inexpensive the least they can do is let us see them
@@gusbaby2273 "inexpensive"
@@gusbaby2273 Most 69 hurst olds are 6 figures...how is that inexpensive??
Use to burn my tights on black leather seats in a Skylark (restored to a GSX look) 1971. This is probably the first time i see this H/O. Love the White and gold!
Hey Kevin Oeste....I appreciate what you've done with the car magazines(particularly your stint at Hot Rod) and with this series....but gotta call out some erroneous information on the Hurst/Olds paint; 1969 was NOT the only year for the Firefrost Gold stripes, as this paint was slso used for the 1972 Hurst/Olds Indy Pace Car(my personal favorite)....in '73, and the 1974 H/O Indy Pace Car, and subsequent examples of the Collonade-styled A-body Hurst/Olds cars in the following years...the last being the revised '79 "downsized" version. Why the white/gold color combo was not used for the 83-84 Hurst/Olds models is a head-scratcher.
bowslap You’re mistaken. The 1972 forward Hurst Olds cars didn’t even have painted stripes. 1972-1975 were decals. For 1972 at least , the stripes were gold reflective decals produced by 3-M. I’m not sure about the gold paint on the two tone later cars. It’s sure doesn’t look anything like the 1969 Fire frost gold. The 69 H/O stripes were painted, hand pinstriped, unique and exclusive to that year.
I was fortunate enough to spend a lot of time with the Brothers Hurst Olds convertible at World of Speed asa docent there. What an amazing car. The only thing missing was Linda Vaughn standing on the trunk mounted platform.
That takes Me back to My ,
High school days ! Great content Thank You and Best Wishes. 🇺🇲🇵🇷🦊👍
68 Hurst/Olds is probably my favorite Oldsmobile of all, other than maybe a 70 442 W30
I always remember my 68 olds 442 400 cid 4-speed. Hauled ass!
one of my favorites.
I so remember these cars. Real muscle lot of power.
Hurst Cars Are Really Neat & Fun To Drive!
My absolute favourite car !
Lots of high dollar specialty parts on that unit. The exterior rear view mirrors are shared with the Mercury Cougar XR7-G (Dan Gurney edition) and are close to $1000 each! What do you figure that one year only intake manifold is worth? My guess, if you have a 69 Hurst Olds, worth you first born at least!
Thanks for the vid guys, great job as usual!
I have exhaust manifolds from a 1969 442 the only year they made ported exhaust manifolds. I bought them off a kid for $100 bucks who put headers on his car. They were selling for over $1000 dollars each 15 years ago on ebay.
JC Image Inc ,the ram air flapper is from a 1969 fairlane cobra.
A favorite of mine for some time now
A/C!! Wow!!
Now that's "Loaded to the gills."😄
I love old"s Hurst 442 there sick ride"s my Dad bought one in 1982 and it was a 1967 with a big block 455 possy with 411s in the rear end with a 12 bolt Main all Black on Black with creaiger rims steelbelted tires 15 " with bucket seats That's my Favorite car of a life time.
Good ole days...1965 to 1972.
I love these videos!..
Thank you for making them.
Where is the brothers collection located, and is it on display for the public? Or do I have to watch it here? You do a great job... Thanks again
i Had a 69' Hurst Olds Just Like that same Color mine was a Convertible, DAMN, Only if i Knew then what i know now... i Had Many Classic's, when i sold them you Still seen them on the Road... i Sold my 69' Hurst Cutlass for $1,800, it had 72,000 miles on it, that was in 77' i bought a 74' Grand Prix SJ, 455 ci 400 turbo, it had 23,000, mi, on it, i Paid $2,800, for that Pontiac, People that know me said you should had kept those car's... only if i knew,
i had 150 of them,i crushed them.
great vid!
My uncle bought one new in 1969 in Chicago two years later he drove it to Colombia South America six months later the car was totalled the engine was later used in a boat. I was lucky to drive it around the block I'm southern California when he was on his way to Colombia.
just amazing
Don Prince AGREED!!!
Hurst worked with many others! Pontiac,...and AMC(SCrambler) and the dual gate shifter was available on Olds right up to the “Lightning Rod shifters”. All Hurst cars including my favorite the Hurst 300. Are money in the bank! You always get the,....What’s that?
Love the car.
when cars were beautiful and rumbled...and the people building them could own a home and feed a family.
I work in the old demmer plant where the conversion went down in Lansing. It’s called American tooling center now.
This and the 1970 Buick GSX are at the top! Hands down!
Looks like that was actually the HO owned by George Hurst.
Under the pearl white, was firefrost gold. In direct sunlight, the car looks like two different shades of gold. Mr. Hurst's was the only one with that particular paint scheme.
Laurie Hurst This particular car is like all the standard 69 H/Os paint wise. They came in Cameo white (standard GM fleet color) from the factory. Fire frost gold was the stripe color (Cadillac color IIRC) added at Demmer automotive along with the hand painted black accent pinstripes.
I’m not sure what the current paint formula is to replicate the original Fire frost gold. In the early 2000’s. The Hurst Olds club of America members developed an , at the time modern paint formula in the DuPont chroma premier line of paint. Utilizing modern pigments and micas. This formula was considered the standard for a correct 69 H/O paint restoration. When mixed and applied the stripes have Red side tones from some angles. Green side tones from other angles. Creating an effect of the stripes appearing to be two very different shades of gold from different angles. Just like or as close as possible to the effect the original color had. Had nothing to do with George Hurst’s personal car or any exclusivity to a pearl white paint formula or application.
I would love a Hurst Olds. 68 or 69
I owned a 1986 442 T-top and 1986 Cuttlass but they both wear stolen the Cuttlass is on my channel thanks for sharing
Don Prince How Did That Occur?
They made a mistake limiting it to 400ci - those nail heads ran rougher than the 455 and actually used more gas. Car and track got 0 to 60 in 5.3s and it braked just as well. The handling was well above average too. Epic muscle.
My brother owned a 1973 Hurst/Olds and I bought the 1974 Hurst/Olds Pace car. We both traded our cars for matching 1975 Hurst/Olds in black. My brother still has his 75 Hurst/Olds.
The "Mind Eraser." 🤣🤣🤣
i owned one #109 of 906 built
There were 515 1968 HO made this video got that wrong he said over 400.
Ray Pellerin 515 is over 400!
Ray Pellerin 515 is over 400!
Mark Kassal
What is one of these olds worth now?
I have got to assume the convertible. Snhould start at 500.000 thousand
Shaun Loomis Seems like someone didn't pass 3rd grade math. Lol
Power windows and cruise control...rare in 69...
The one car from my collection back in the 80s that I think about most fondly was my 1968 Hurst Olds. All original and low mileage, originally owned by Hurst VP of engineering Frank Earhart.
If I recall right it was an Illinois state champion F-stock automatic 12.74, but I didn't didn't own it then so I could be wrong on that ET.
Regardless, Hurst did it right with those cars.
I liked it even better then an equally scarce 1969 W30 4sp convertible I had- all original
kurt bob - back in the day, the 1968 442 W-30 with the long stroke 400 held the NHRA national record for D-stock @ 12.39 / 113 mph. The Hurst/Olds with a 455 should have been quicker....but as far as I recall, no Hurst/Olds ever held its class record. Incidentally, the ‘68 W-30 also held the DS/A record that year.
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@@Richard-vu7kh thanks for the good information mine is just for memory but it seems like before I owned it my car in Illinois ran 12.74
My wife had 3 brothers they all worked for Demmer on the Hurst Olds.
I prefer the ‘68 model mostly because of the colors, and the absence of the oddball hood scoops. Also, the ‘68 were available with a manual transmission, which I believe the ‘69 didn’t offer. Still, I’d love to own this one nonetheless!
I remember seeing these types of cars in the mid 60's to early 70's but to us kids they look more like a exterior statement of power with little under the hood to move the car to match its looks.
The small cars to compete with the Mustang didn't always have a bold stripe kit or large ID decal for the CID , we heard the dual exhaust and tires squeal as it laid down a patch of rubber while looking like the show room Plain Jane inline 6 .
Mercury had a huge car with two tone paint and a fancy badge but it was a 6 passenger dog that was fast for its size but no match for a Baracuda S or 390 Mustang GT 4 spd .
In the spring of 1968 a saw a Charger that was green with a black roof and black inside. It had that new car smell and it looked mean just parked their with the rear lights appearing as jet exhaust ducts and that full width recessed finned grilled like a whale sharks mouth ready to consume what's in its way within 200 feet in one gulp .
Later on was a yellow 68 Cornet near the Charge with a bee stripe on the rear .
We didn't get to see all the cars for each year but the ones in our area were the popular models and I didn't know that the bigger cars had Special editions that had enough power to smoke the tires or get up to the high speed with ease.
An amazing era to see the carry over finned 1950's die by 1963 and the big blocks go in the space age designs and see the Mustang set the pace and finish off in about 1972 with the 429 , 440 sic packs, 454's and the last GTO Judges as fuel prices and insurance killed the muscle car.
+Gary wood "they look more like a exterior statement of power with little under the hood to move the car to match its looks. " - that can be cured with a little education. The '69 H/O had a great deal of factory enhanced engine and cam to run very strong. Study up on the '66 W30 L69 package. Almost no external indication of the high compression tri-carb engine under the hood.
hemi455
The context of my comment was from the 1960's as a kid where our neighbourhood
had Family sedans and few young people with the money for a high end muscle car.
I saw many of the used late 50's cars that had 2-tone paint , chrome, gold looking aluminium trim plus the tail light to look like a jet exhaust .
Along comes the Mustang with a fender badge for their V8 while the HI-PO 289 4 spd burns rubber.
The early 60's Chrysler big blocks were in the plain-jane version as seen in a show room.
Now it's the mid 60's and the big 3 want to sell cars to the family man and the hot rodder youth.
Special paint and bold badges with fancy wheel covers on a family car keep dad happy while the same car can be bought with a 400+ CID 4spd and high ratio rear end and wide tires for the 20 year old rebel down the street .
The first Thunderbird I saw up close was 1966 , the first cadillac I saw was a 1964 .
Cool car
Impressive oginal add tag insane.
oldsmobile took a page out of john delorean's playbook with these cars. 455 available in 68 and 69! I'll take two!
That's when we was all in a better times
Nice
Always loved this car.
My uncle had a hurst Olds exactly like it, White with Gold stripes, factory 4 speed, i watched as they loaded on a trailer and hauled it to the junkyard 😮 he got 80$ out of it around 1990, it was near perfect and complete, be parked it because it had a rod knocking, still wish i would've had the 80$ to buy it before it got hauled, i was only 13 so it wasn't an option at the time.
Had to look up Linda Vaughn O Hell Yes !!
What??? You looked up her skirt??? 😄👍👌✌🇺🇸
Have you ever thought about doing one on the 1951 Oldsmobile Rocket 88 or the original NASCAR
When it was just called Stock Car Racing
The back side profile remind me of a Holden Monaro HT HG the window pattern
million ft lbs of torque/ / / / / /
Exactly. Only a slight exaggeration. My buddy had a 73 Hurst Olds (455) and it would snap your neck. The younger gen today is unfamiliar with such a thing.
@@roundtownKen absolutely! These and the Buick GSX'S... and GS stage 1's
didn't notice the red front fender wells ,hmm where those later?
Same engine I had in my jetboat...total deathtrap..but it was fast though 😂
What is the biggest difference between the Hurst performance edition of the 442 and the w30 edition of the 442 ?
All my original Motor Trend, Car&Driver etc. magazines from that era had both the 1968 and 69 Hurst Olds running 13.9 quarters. To extrapolate the performance, the heavier 70 442 W30 which I also owned along with my unique 69 (ram air W25 hood instead of under the bumper) ran a 12.9 quarter with slicks as tested by Motor Trend. With the red fenderwells and aluminum intake the 70 W30 still weighed in at 3855 lbs. compared to a holiday coupe 69 that was 3603. My 69 442 was the most beautiful of the A bodied cars followed by, in my opinion the 68, and then the 70.
The Lake - the 1969 442 was also my favourite - back in the day I owned a 1969 Buick GS400, a 1968 442, and a 1970 Duster 340. That Cutlass body looked like a bullet - so clean and understated. The 400 cubic inch motor for ‘68 & ‘69 were heavily criticized for the short bore, long stroke design, but my ‘68 442 was much quicker than either the Buick or the Duster. I sold it in the mid-1980’s with 250,000 miles on that engine - still running tight and strong. Fantastic cars....such a bummer that GM killed Olds and Pontiac.
@@Richard-vu7kh The road tests of the 68 and 69 HO's was 13.9 with only a 3:08 rear ( AC cars) whereas on the 70 W30 3:91 was standard. My 70 had every conceivable option except for the rear end ratio-full instrumentation, pw, seats, trunk etc. with 4 speed, 3:91. The 69 with the W25 Ram Air hood you see on the 70-72 was beautiful and unique.
The road test I cited from Motor Trend said that the 400's were criticized for expiring at high RPM's. I purposely tried to wreck the engine in the 69 when I decided to replace it with a new 455 so raced it everywhere and gave it to my friends to do the same. When one of them blew a tire on launch I realized that it wasn't any ordinary motor that would've been scrap well before that so I abandoned the idea of replacing the engine and got the 70. The 69 was the strongest most reliable motor of any car I've ever owned. People still ask me about that it because it was that striking. The reason I sold it is I was spending $30-$40 dollars a day on gas so needed to switch to something I could still drive hard and have fun with, but without such a steep cost. Of course the 70 was much worse. One more thing I want to add is how comfortable and smooth the rides were, the great headroom and huge seats were very nice.
The Ram 4 engine with the bang-screech tranny in the 70 GTO was another great car but my Olds were so very much nicer. i appreciate all the cars from that era. They took the mundane out of driving a family car.
The Lake - thanks for responding !....so great to reminisce. I’ve read so much BS about the long stroke 400’s.....maybe guys who never owned one, or the odd dolt who thought revving the motor to 6500 rpm was a good idea. I bought an automatic “base” 442 - 325 horsepower...no posi. It was an excellent street performer, but I wanted a bit more kick, so I installed a 3:91 posi rear-end. (too revy at highway speeds...a 3:42 would have been better). In addition, Exhaust manifold headers and a B&M shift-kit which really woke that 400 up. In street drags or the eighth-mile, the Olds was outstanding - plus it was a dream to drive....beautiful suspension and great handling too. I’ve owned lots of American and European cars, but that ‘68 442 was the most fun - most reliable. The Duster 340 was also terrific, but pretty basic compared to the Olds. The Buick GS400 was beautiful, but a bit sluggish as a performer. Did you ever get an e/t on your ‘69 W-30 ?
@@Richard-vu7kh I had the dealer and factory documentation like you see in the video link I'm including. The car had the identical interior in black, a white exterior with an identical black stripe at the bottom that you see in the 69 H/O video and the unique W25 ram air option on the hood in black like you see on any 70-72 except of course the manifold was cast iron. It made the car even more attractive. The reason I wanted a 455 is my 400 clobbered everything in sight and I had could feel the torque differential in larger Oldsmobile's I had driven so wanted to see what it could do in a lighter body. Nevertheless Motor Trend called the 70 a pocket battleship due to it's weight. It took a long time to find one and was everything I'd read but being the epitome of the breed I was much more gentle with it. The thing that always bothered me as they changed the taillights every year is the 70 is ugly, 71, better and the 72 less so. The simplicity of the 69 taillights makes the car look classier but I did prefer the 442 on the hood like the 70-72. However, that's not to say I didn't like the 68 version with the numbers on the grill with the horizontal taillights because they meet the same criteria in a different way which I also preferred over the 70-72's. Despite the eye drawing paint scheme of the 70 ( It was red with white stripes and hood and a white interior.) I've always preferred the understated class, power and especially the looks of that 69 and everyone else seems to agree with me. It never occurred to me to take it to a track which is ironic because of all the information I acquired, a road test of that specific model wasn't available. The 1969 ( though I'll fault my memory despite how good it is to say it might have been of a 68) 325 HP Holiday Coupe with an automatic, 3:08 rear and no posi was listed as running a 15.1 1/4 mile but launching it would still be the biggest problem to attaining a good time especially because of the 14 inch rims. One can extrapolate that with 15 inch rims, wider tires, traction, more gear and HP would have it run in the mid 14's at least. I talked to a guy with a 69 Coupe 325 HP who said a simple cam change make quite a difference.
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Since I can remember everything I'm interested in, one of the road tests repeatedly ran 1/4 mile times of the 70 W30 with the AC running in 14.3 as one of the Olds advertisements at the time was "blow away the competition in air conditioned comfort." I'm mentioning this for an important reason. No matter who tested the 442's the times were almost always identical suggesting not only a reliability of build quality but the integrity of Oldsmobile not to provide a car specially tuned or modified in such a way that didn't reflect reality of the normal assembly line car. I did not see this regarding some other cars that posted questionable times which the magazines pointed out as well, and even accused each other of on occasion--as in having a midget run it with just enough gas for a 1/4 to save weight. This brings me to the article called "Without a taste of Geritol" where a 1970 Buick GS 455 ran 13.3. That was the fastest time ever of anything in it's class, and out. However future articles on the car were not warm to it's performance, one of them stating it wasn't able to put the power to the ground like it should. Perhaps in the test I mentioned it legitimately ran that time but it also suggests that it's siblings couldn't replicate it like the Olds could.
The fastest muscle car one could buy in history, to my knowledge, based on those magazines, was the Hemi-Dart which ran 11.6. I must stress that it was a factory race car and not street legal.
The small block engines like the 340 (and 360 later) were pretty spunky but one of the keys to the success of them was being in the lightest cars of their time. The Dart held this honor for Dodge (not that the Duster was a heavyweight!) and the Chevy 2 likewise for GM. Most people aren't aware that the Chevy 2 was lighter than the Corvette. I've pulled the following off the net regarding the Duster.
"Car Life rated the 1970 Duster 340 with a 3-speed TorqueFlite automatic in their March 1970 issue. They obtained a 6.2 second 0-60 time, with 0-100 in 17.5 seconds, incredible for the tire technology of the time. Quarter mile time was 14.7 seconds @ 94 mph. Overall gas mileage was 14.8, quite good for the performance and the time. Weight was 3520 lb as tested, price $2547."
How did these stack up to the hemi motors in Plymouth and Dodge like the charger & road runners or even say like a pontiac Gto.
Dine - o mite car alright, my brother had one, I am thinking it was # 994 built especially for Dr Gonzales. Bad fast, - - - - un till my little 50 ford pick up with a 445 Buick Wildcat geared at 527, The truck, chopped top "The Orange Blossom Special" would kick his butt for a block. lol he he. Fun stuff.
Just for technical interest. how much fuel does this take driven soft or hard and racetrack?
Outta sight. I raced a 65 442 for 3 plus years successfully. Sadly it was stolen and totalled in a head on wreck. Dam
Lol, here we go again, 'I had one!', "So did I', 'I had four of them, but had to sell them to pay for college...'
I owned 4 of these brand new as convertibles and I wasn't even born until 1970 lol
its like the 1970 ls6 chevelle,you watch a video and 5000 people say they had one but they never made even a quarter of 5000 of them.no one understands,they made 500 hurst olds one year and 900 the next,each of these cars is worth a not so small fortune and back in the day they were expensive in comparison to other cars.
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*I'M SURPRISED TO SEE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ILLUMINATED MOTHER OF PEARL HANDLE T-SHIFTER, WHICH WAS ALSO ORIGINAL.:\* *SOMEONE GOT ROBBED NOT HAVING IT, IT WAS VERY COOL TO SEE AT NIGHT! ;-)* *I'M NOW SAD TO SUCH A GREAT CAR IN SUCH A ROUGH CONDITION! :(* *IT IS WORTH RESTORING HOWEVER.*
Interesting, I thought the cam was INDENTICAL to the W-30? I had a friend who has a 66 4-4-2 with 433 gears, 325 ratio not really optimum for dragging but with 500 torque that helps
Beautiful car! But I have to ask you Kevin. In your professional opinion. Which car was better? The 1969 Oldsmobile 442 Hurst or the 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge? Both are great, but which one was better?
Depends on what you are looking for
Ray Pellerin Performance
1/4 mile? Handling? Top end?
Ray Pellerin If the two were put on a race track, who'd most likely win?
They are both fast in a straight line 1/4 mile in 13 seconds and change.
The hood scoop was named the Mailbox Scoop.
They were so cool but exremely heavy like the GTO.
There were 323 '69 427c.i. copo chevelles produced. I guess the copos don't fall under the 400 c.i. limit?
I just want to tell you that when I was a teenager of about 15 in about 1970 my father was head of the credit union for Union Oil of California “76” and every once in a while he would have to repossess a car and resell it! Well one day he brought home this great big white Oldsmobile it was a 1966 delta 88, so I was just getting in to engines engine sizes and horsepower, and when I open the hood it said on the air cleaner ultra high compression 455! That Delta 88 must have weighed 5000 pounds but Barney let me tell you that big car would get up and go like no other car I had been in are driven at that time! Anyway years later when I was going to mechanic school I was telling One of my mechanic teachers and he told me in 1966 they did not make a 455 for Oldsmobile? So I did some research and the biggest engine they put in a delta 88 in 1966 was a 425 and it said it had 300 horses but believe me it was very underrated! Anyway I always thought that if you put that 425 and 3700 pound car it would’ve been hard to beat! I still don’t know why they quit making that 425 or if they boarded a little different and made it into a 455 if anybody knows the history of the Oldsmobile 425 engine I would love to hear about it thank you!!
How did the one burn to the ground
That is an American beauty...
Sweet Momma!