Ash Sarkar & Kirsty Major: Who are the working class?
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- Listen to Ash Sarkar, Senior Editor at Novara Media, read and discuss her piece: "The working class isn't as white as some would like you to think" with host Kirsty Major.
"Who are the working class?"
"Not your voters"
I'm working class and I voted Labour. Not only are you wrong but you didn't even have an argument.
@@kernalmax Nobody is just curious.
@@SlinkShady Based on the last election result, you are in the minority.
@@funkydanieluk Based on the last election result you're not in a majority.
The class that rejects Corbyn's immigration policy.
It Don't Matter If You're Black or White Two Middle Class Women Discussing What It Means To Be Working Class My ARSE
Your arse is indeed part of the working class
Spot on.
Spot on , shamone, HEE HEE!!
There’s no doubt in my mind that neither of you, have any idea who the working class are or what we want.
Indy video stop deleting my reply. You cowards
There's no doubt in my mind that you attacked anything BUT what they said because you have no actual argument to beat them with.
@@SlinkShady That's because they are talking shit you cretin.
@@herewardthewake5502 repeating the claim doesn't count as a rebuttal either. Oh dear, did you think your childish response was clever... LMAO!
I've met middle class people from Liverpool and they don't speak like that. She's working class, but has managed to get an education - good for her
If anyone watching this can't work out why they can't follow the argument, it's because it's not there. Just loads of unconnected points comprised of the usual buzzwords, platitudes, and phrases that make up this type of persons vocabulary. There's no communication, no development of argument, nothing. Just words.
A literal NPC, no ideas of her own, only another drone giving us pre programmed lines
Funny how I had no problem following what they were saying. The point was that the "working class" in the UK has people of all races within it. If you were unable to parse that clear message then the problem is you.
@@SlinkShady so what, really intuitive observation there...
Exactly, nothing worthwhile was said.
Yes, as you just proved, that takes one sentence. @@SlinkShady
Why is nobody wearing any clothes in this video ?
@@TheKitchenRat Got fucked by the electorate like a champion.
@Overfiend002 damn that reply deserves some kind of prize :)
Why does that bother you? Are you Muslim?
No, they can wear bikinis and stripper heels if they like. But they shouldn't expect me to take their ideas seriously if they dress like hookers. And before you accuse me of misogyny, I'd feel the same if a male politican rolled up in speedos and a muscle T-shirt. How about a bit of decorum, folks.
@@chrisf1600 thanks for doubling down on your sexism. I knew you would.
you both never work a single day of your lives , talking nonsense in front of a camera is not work .
Apart from the fact that this IS their work, how much of an idiot are you? You didn't address a single thing they said and just attacked them personally.
@@SlinkShady Do you come here often?
@@daftwod Of course he does. This cretin has nothing better to do in his life than argue on TH-cam
@@c.9900 you say this arguing on youtube. The irony is clearly above your comprehension level
@lions roar or should I call you "pussy whines"? Thanks for your opnion. I have just filed it in the nearest circular "filing cabinet" with all the other ignorant and racist horseshit.
politics, meh - LEGS
Literally was searching for this comment only 😭😭😭
There are some legs on show here - nothing wrong with that! But who they are and the psuedo intellectual discussion reminiscent of a couple of students at the Union Bar at Oxford is about as far away from the Working Class experience as you can get.
You can have what’s called “blue-collar academics” - kids from working class backgrounds who find their way into academia.
Pauliepoika but usually it’s champagne socialists or their edgier communist counterparts lol
@@qv8281 "Pauliepoika but usually it’s champagne socialists or their edgier communist counterparts lol"
More irrelevant crap from the "we'll do anything we can to be offended" snowflake crowd.
Shed probably be beaten in Bangladesh for wearing that, yet she shits on her free society as much as she can
Nice to see two middle class women discussing what it means to be working class as if they know
I didn't realise being a weeaboo was such a traditional pillar of working class identity.
But I AM working class and they were spot on. Nice to see that you were unable to address anything they said and decided to make a personal attack instead.
No way are you working class if you think these two know nothings are talking anything but middle class bollocks.
@@SlinkShady It's true though, who wants to be lectured about whats right and wrong by people who are privileged enough to speak and appear on TV for a living... also it's cringe seeing so many people these days pretending to be working class like its a cool trend
@@chubbec there are two classes - those who make money from owning (land, property, investments in businesses etc) and those who make money from working. There is no such thing as the “middle class”.
Who are the working class? Here's a tip Ash, your party spent the last few years insulting them, undermining them and now you've lost them for the next 10 years at least.
Except that it didn't. If you had bothered to read their manifesto you would've seen that it was aimed solely at the working class and lifting them up. You, instead, listened to the neoliberal biilionaire owned media and let them make you think that billionaires are your friends rather than a party that's whole manifesto was aimed at trying to equalise the 40 years of increasing neoliberal greed that has resulted in the widespread poverty we see in this country.
@Darth Pepe 1. false
2. false.
3. false.
I suggest you start with reality. I can't explain your fantasy.
@Darth Pepe You said basically that mostly everyone in the country, the billionaires and the working class, voted to remain, but Brexit won, Darth. I would suggest you failed maths for a start.
"And as for media bias do you really want to go there lmfao?"
You made a claim and failed to support it with anything. Did you not notice that? Oh that's right you tried the bait and switch and failed. Maybe you're not as clever as you want to pretend you are.
"It's not like all my friends in retail at the time had emails from the CEO's of the companies asking them to vote Remain because of how important it was for the company."
So that's about three people. Next.
@Darth Pepe "No I clearly stated the majority of billionaires wanted us to remain whereas the majority of the working class wanted us to Leave. My maths skills are reasonable and obviously better than your reading skills thank you"
My bad. I misread you, and I stand corrected.
discoversociety.org/2019/07/03/brexit-working-class-revolt-or-middle-class-outlook/
"So why did the majority of billionaires in the country want us to remain during the referendum whereas the majority of the working class wanted us to leave?
You presented this as counter to my point that the Labour manifesto was aimed at mostly the working class as if that meant the Labour manifesto wasn't aimed mostly at the working class. If people don't vote for policies aimed at them does that mean the policies weren't aimed at them?
Personally I think racism was the deciding factor in Brexit winning.
"Ok, my evidence for the media being biased in favour of the left wing; they censor social media based on left wing politics (try posting anything against Islam, feminism, diversity quotas or for demographics etc)
Who owns the big social media companies? Do you think Mark Zuckerbreg and his board of capitalists are left wing? How about Google who originally had the catchline "Do no evil" but recently was found to be creating tools for the Chinese government to suppress their, we are constantly informed by a supposedly left wing MSM (your claim) are a great example of evil communists, population with censorship.
I've posted many times against Islam. Never been censored for it ever. In fact no one I have ever spoken to on FB, or YT, has been censored for critiquing Islam. But then I critique the actual religion and don't try to slur people because they are Muslim. Nor do I call for any kind of violent action towards them. I don't go around shouting "Muslim paedophiles" for example, like the supposedly misunderstood Mr Robinson who clearly is trying to incite racial hatred. Please don't use the tired attempt at a get out by saying Islam isn't a race. I never see any outrage at white Muslims. It's always brown Muslims that get the outrage.
Critiquing feminism? Which stripe of feminism? I'm a feminist in the sense that all women should be treated equally to men in both opportunity and pay. I've never heard of anyone ever being censored for critiquing other forms of feminism or the type I believe in.
Diversity quotas? I'm against them myself. But I'm left wing. Explain that?
There is a fine line between critique which I find very important and outrage disguised as critique but is mostly just incitement.
"Actually you're nearly right; it was 5 people, 5 people who worked for 3 different high street chains; Superdry, Topshop and Sports Direct. "
Superdry, Mr Dunkerton is apparenly left wing and supported |Remain. Phillip Green - arch capitalist renowned for stealing millions legally - Brexiter. Mike Ashley - brexiter.
"are you another one of these arrogant twats who think the working class are stupid and were misled and "lied to"?"
The working class, as you corrected me on, had a majority vote for brexit. There is also a correlation with educational achievement whereby the less educated you were the more likely you voted for Brexit. I would suggest that educational achievement and class status have a strong correlation.
As to lies about Brexit, are you claiming there were no lies bandied about by the Brexit campaign?
@Darth Pepe I was banned from FB before the GE last December for constantly critiquing the Tories claims on their FB page. I hadn't contravened any of their other rules, but I was banned nonetheless. And not for a week. My profile was completely deleted.
Is this video sponsored by veet?
Ash Sarkar is a dark beauty, but annoying af, what a shame ....
As long as you don’t have to do all the cooking why would you be bothered?
Kirsty, the book is 'Look back in Anger' the song by Oasis is 'Don't Look Back in Anger"
It isn't a book. It is a play by John Osbourne. She's probably only ever heard the name of it and tried to use it to make herself sound erudite, but got it wrong.
SELF AGGRANDISING MUTUAL MASS DEBATING ECHO CHAMBER HERE. THE BANALITY AND LACK OF DEBATE IS ON THE PLAYGROUND DINNER BREAK LEVEL.
TALK IN CAPS TO GET MORE ATTENTION SO THAT PEOPLE COME OVER TO YOUR ECHO CHAMBER INSTEAD
@@noradosmith His echo chamber is his head.
Neither of them has ever met a member of the working class...
If they work they are working class, that is the point.
@@tarquiniussuperbus21 that just isn't true at all, did you get that idea from your high school teacher or something?
actually they have she's my cousin
They'd be scared if they did
Thing is, the so-called "Ten pound Pom" scheme, that encouraged indigenous Brits to move to Australia for a mere £10 back in the day, was put into action at the same time that the first immigrants from the Caribbean, India and Pakistan started arriving here, because, we were told, the country was so desperate for people to fill all of the vacant jobs. Funny that.
What do you think the rationale for that was?
@@aschronicles5006 Bolster the colonies with loyalists, maintain workforce by importing from disparate cultures to turn them against one another which prevent them from working together.
Under the "White Australia" rule immigrants from the Caribbean, India and Pakistan were not eligible to go there. When you say "We were told" who is we? And were you told by the same "they" or different parties with differing goals?
Great legs, crap politics
I'm a simple man I saw legs and I clicked
R U Indian?
They’re both INCREDIBLY middle class
I've met middle class people from Liverpool and they don't speak like that. She's working class, but seems to have managed to get an education - good for her
Doesn't surprise me that most of the comments are about their legs because absolutely nothing they're saying is worth hearing.
I’m honestly not here trying to police women’s clothes, but this is absolutely outrageous like are you serious
LOL
Lol its so funny that they clearly do it because at least a few idiots will be won over by them looking hot as a result of dressing kind slutty, but what they are saying is utterly moronic
Prude, shut up and enjoy the show.
"I’m honestly not here trying to police women’s clothes, but this is absolutely outrageous like are you serious"
Except that you clearly are, and you expose your pathetic sexism at the same time.
@@SlinkShady What was sexism about what he said lmao
Never heard a thing they said, just legs legs legs.
Legs
Anyone else notice the amount of leg exposure on this? I guess its hot in there...
man said leg exposure smh go and hit the hub Jonny you in the wrong place
Only reason I watched it. Oh and ash sakar
Anyone else notice the low intellectual level of this message?
Jonny Begood It is now! Ker-ching!!!
@@cameronjohnston3958 mate she's ugly...
I failed to discern much of interest or coherence in this interview. Don't know if that is because there wasn't any or if I was just too distracted by Ash's legs. I wonder how many other people who claim to be Muslim would appear dressed so sexily in a video to be made public.
She's Hindu
Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake, or in the case, making a total fool of themselves.
Carry on
@@plebjames I thought you said sneering was unhelpful James.
Immigration and multiculturalism could be seen as an attempt to undermine workers solidarity by the ruling class. I'm pretty sure Pakistani immigration was largely used to prop up a failing textile industry and break the back of the working class northerners who had quite a high level of unionisation and solidarity. So called "woke culture" often looks like a massive gaslighting excersise on behalf of employers to make whites (who are still the majority) quietly obedient and non-whites grateful suplicants. There is very little in the "new left/cultural left" program that would actually worry a wealthy capitalist. And ties of family and nation can actually provide quite a useful bulwark against the demands of capital. In my view the native working class basically get it from both ends - the liberal left go about deconstructing nation, family, gender, "whiteness" etc while the neo-liberals go about privatising everything and bombing foreigners.
I'm sure Ash would get away with wearing what she is wearing in India. How about she goes to India and gets a job? Love how she can bash UK society yet doesn't know much about the 3rd world her grandmother was getting away from when she jumped on a boat.
This conversation would not be allowed in a communist country. What's with the legs? You two should try working for a living. I wonder who cleans Sarkar s house???
Your mum, probably.
ash sarkar would get it I,d love to give her one
Imagine two men wearing short shorts during a serious interview.
As for how relevant all this is to the working classes, i am the only one i know of who listens to any of this stuff. I have deliberately looked up Ash Sarkar today to see what she is about, and I haven't heard anything but quotes of other people's work.
Nothing about tangible ways my friends will be able to earn enough to not have to worry every week.
Ash Sakar isn't supposed to be giving you advice on how to earn more money.... she's a journalist....
You need to look up Jane McAlevey then. She will tell you and your mates how to organise and win better wages and conditions. You've gotta be in for the long-run, there's no shortcuts
dont care abt their shorts, u jelous woman.
Let's have two little middle class girls pontificating on the working class? These are two ultra left little rich kids.
Mike C my ass wouldn't fit all that dude, I'm not your grandmother...or your mother...or your sister. You should know, I imagine you've been through em all down in Hicksville, Tennessee!
Mike C I have family in Cupertino, Sacramento and Brentwood buddy, I know all about CA - I've been there plenty of times. As for property taxes - I live in London, which is maybe the 3rd most expensive city in the world and I work in commercial property finance so I'm not struggling to eat. I just don't run to that as a way to dig out of a hole when I make a stupid comment and have to face the backlash of abuse I get for it. In fact, you petty little prick, I just don't make the comment in the first place. Back in your box.
Hahahahahah! Mike C, listening to your pathetic struggle is hilarious. You sad, pathetic human being.
'your inbred clan falling desperately behind'... 'dole money'... 'get a couple of cans to share with your mum'
The classism of the contemporary left is barely a millimetre beneath the surface.
Whatever dude... You clearly know nothing about either. Ash is from working class family. Sad you feel only "middle class" should be intelligent or have a voice. They have as much right to free speech as you. But frankly I would rather listen to them than your whinging.
Love Ash. She could whisper communism into my ear forever
But nice hips 😋 😂 😂 😂 😂 🐸
Though certain sectors of industry were predominantly male: Ship building, mining etc. There were plenty of women bus conductors and women working in factories.
Why??
Who doesn't like a bit of brown now and then.
Interesting how the discussion is ostensibly about the working class but Sarkar immediately falls into her worn ideological groove of pushing only certain race and gender interests, specifically her own.
Incredibly intelligent and eloquent young ladies!
Kristina Verdile ash is not eloquent
Kristina Verdile not intelligent either
YOUR SURNAME IS WINTER.... GO PISS ON YOURSELF
Finally, an intelligent non sexist message!
MASS DEBATERS THE PAIR OF THEM. LESS THAN ZERO DEBATING SKILLS. YOUR INTELLECTUAL DISCERNMENT MIGHT ATTAIN THE LEVEL OF A WELL BALANCED CHILD IN 5 DECADES IF YOU BREAK OUT THE BOOKS. I WON'T COUNT ON IT.
Ash Sarkar's only value to academia is three warm holes at the Christmas party.
Intelligent women undermining themselves with choice of clothing 🙄
Ash Sarkar is one of the most beautiful women i've seen. Love the way this woman looks. She's stunning.
eWWW UR A PERVERT, TOO DARK SORRY.
@@serendipityculture1679 beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
She is pretty, shame she is a fucking bitch though.....
@@Anthony1uk
It's so fucking funny to see all the conservatives lusting after a brown communist.
She's not a body, she's a human and what is interesting here is what she said not her legs!
"who are the working class.?"
Not you or yours ash 😉
There is a deep incongruity between the serious subject matter and the sexy visual display. Why they didn't consider how this might detract from the overall interview is baffling.
I think the camera man's having fun with them, they look like they think it's only going to be viewed from the waist above. The white chick looks dressed for an interview from the top. Maybe they did it for clicks as its the only reason many will habe clicked on the interview
Legs out for the lads ladies. Fwaar, these birds are gagging for it!
if they were chinese, would you say that?
You're fucking stupid.
Sexism...
Pathetic.
The comment by 3rdman4th was. a. joke. (wasn't it?) No need to get your knickers in a twist!
Ash is hot
I always get the horn when I see Ash.
Nice two pairs of legs
Who are the working class? It's in the name. They are the ones who get the real work done.
As a hyper- isolated,atomised individual I am surprised that I am not alone in seeing all this as pretentious,condescending crap.
In reality manufacturing is only 17% of the workforce (and falling), construction 3%, lorry drivers 0.5%, fishermen 0.1%. Services (education, finance, banking, tourism, the law, politics etc) are 80%. We are a very middle class country.
half the population earn less than £26k - that won't get you accommodation in middle class areas, it won't pay private school fees, it isn't really enough. SO, if we are a middle class country, we're also underpaid
Low paid service jobs in an unbalanced economy that the Canadian bank of England man said when he started his job was the fundamental problem with our economy.
Most of the country is working class. The problem is that many of them think they're temporarily impoverished millionaires. Oh, and you're the wrong colour, have too much money, and the wrong sex to have a point of view on the working class. Can't imagine why... it's almost like I am surrounded by people from the 1950s.
What a hot chocolate baby
Shes purely a troll
Hot body, hot face, hot personality. She is a keeper for sure.
Let's forget politics Ash!
Let's forget politics and admire their gams.
Can we talk about interracial lesbian sex in the UK.
Hahaah
Ash is annoying AF but I’m still very physically attracted to her... it’s a tough one
Mate anyone looks better with studio lights shining on them. Seriously, google her and see how dark and ugly she is normally.
Ash Sarkar is hot.
as much as you are stupid
@@ellanar3413 then he must be a genius
Genuine question, can anyone explain what the hell she is talking about here? I've watched it twice and have absolutely no idea what her narrative is.
Pseuds Corner in Private Eye stuff surely.
It's just pretentious pseudo-intellectual waffle.
This woman talks in PARAGRAPHS. Her thinking is very well organised, cogently expressed in well-constructed sentences, tightly focused on the questions, deeply informed by British history and culture, and delivered in very clear diction.
I have absolutely no idea what your problem is.
Faces only mothers could love.
Are you kidding me these two are gorgeous
“Who are the working class?”
- goes and finds a Champagne Socialist
Dear Ash and Kirsty 'get a job!'
The working class are the white people Ash Sarkar is in the process of removing from London. She's almost finished winning now. Lovely openly racist communist the BBC love to showcase. On the plus side her little video in which she described the ethnic cleansing of London and claimed to be winning has put the issue front and centre. The left can't sweep it under the carpet now. Ash Sarkar boasts about it, it should be getting discussed on primetime TV shows.
If you want anyone to actually listen to this seriously either put on some clothes or get a man to say it instead.
Two no nothing discussing the working class!!!!!!!! Can't waste my time watching, even allow for the clothes!
Translation: I'm putting my fingers in my ears and screaming LALALALA rather than entertain any alternative viewpoints.
@Darth Pepe " I'd happily give you an alternative viewpoint and argument but something tells me all I'd get in return is insults rather than an attempt to change my mind and gain another voter for your side"
Translation: I have nothing but I'll try and blame you for failing to present it.
@Darth Pepe "I'll happily go into it with you if you want? I'm not scared of putting my opinions out there and happily accept the challenge to change peoples minds. Where would like me to start?"
Start anywhere you like.
@Darth Pepe it's funny how you claimed that it would be me who just throws insults isn't it.
@Darth Pepe "you're the one who said we'll likely run away with our fingers in our ears rather than listen to alternative viewpoints."
I actually said that about the original poster. You extrapolated that to "we". If the cap fits...
I AM NOT A RACIST.. A THREESOME COMES TO MIND!!!!
Ha ha
garry England. It has just occurred to me that I have a tub of ice cream I could involve in those amazing legs. pmsl.
Well you may be not a racist but you are definitely a sexist!
Books like Don't Look Back in Anger? It sounds like she has vaguely heard of the very famous John Osbourne play, but somehow managed to confuse it with an Oasis song and thinks it was a book. This discussion is pretentiously verbose and culturally illiterate.
Actually it sounds like you made up some nonsense and attributed it to them.
"Critical race circles and gender"
Exactly the lingo and potent issues that effect the working class everyday.
2 middle upper class clowns with a decent pair of legs
Who are the working class? Certainly NOT you two.
I don’t think most working class people vote labour anymore
One day these children will grow up and look back on the tripe they talked and how they dressed and it will dawn on them why no one outside of their insta followers took them seriously.
lots and lots of people take Ash seriously - she's a powerhouse
Look at Her fingernails. Not a member of the working class.
Ash: "Are you in charge of how you make your money?"
Kirsty: "No."
Absolute rubbish. We pick and choose our jobs. We may not like them, but we're free to do any job, (if you're qualified, obviously). We don't have to stick to a certain job. We're not forced by anyone to do a certain job, and especially not by the state, which under Communism, Ash, would be the case.
In the real world many people don't have much choice. This might be a clue for you as to why so many multiple applicants apply for one job. In the meantime people do jobs they otherwise wouldn't choose. To call this 'choice' is not just pettifoggery, it's ignorance of reality.
I don't know, both are skilled negotiators of diversity studies although they essay format doesn't work in conversation. The hot pants are in defiance of corporatism and in the order of a post-feminist flag. Edging further towards the pathological, suicidal altruism brought on by a recursive censorship through academia, I say we amplify the projects of representation as funding permits through the NGOs.
According to some comments here, you should be covering up, ladies. I guess it's not just Islam that believes women should be in burqas... the irony is fucking staggering.
Both attractive and intelligent, great combination
She’s so beautiful
A lefty cirjerk
Neither of these two obviously !
These young people are so sweet - they’d be really good reliable babysitters.
I think people should get away from talking about the past. I just watched Asher talk eloquently on the “Right Stuff” about her vision of communism and I believe she is right. Robots and new technology will take jobs away from the working class. So we will end up with a void which will need to filled. If we go along the route of capitalism we will leave a lot of the working class with no where to go and this will end up with a situation that could get out of control, and we all know that control is always at the heart of ever system. Now through the ages we have taxed the working class, who will the upper class now tax, will they tax the robots. I believe as she does that robots will take the place of the working class, we can either destroy the working class or share the resources of the planet with the people who have every right to share them. Now I am not sure how many people will go along with this thought process but sooner or later it will need to be debated.
I would argue with your first premise. Jobs aren't taken away from powerless workers. It's up to the individual to notice how the work environment is evolving and then make a choice: remain and risk being made redundant, remain in the company and change role, which might involve retraining or leave and find another job. People are in control of their own decisions and choices. There's always somewhere to go. Victim mentality helps no one.
Hilarious, Ash love your strand of comedy! But it's not even funny?....Just kinda weird and awkward.
The road to Wigan pier
State of this 🤮🤮🤮🤮
People who work in whatever job are working class
According to Alan Johnson's definition of working class, it means being nasty to Jeremy Corbyn or anyone who wants to make a big impact on poverty and inequality.
whaffle s crap.... BORING and miss leading nformation ....
Since people cannot comment on the "Good Morning Britain" video on the "National Anthem Debate," I'd like to mention it here.
Ash Sarkar,
the issue you are making about the national anthem seems very unreasonable. Your argument appears to be ideological, and political. The policy suggestion is not embarrassing, it would appear you are trying to enable individuals to be more indifferent about the national anthem.
As part of growing up, children need to be reminded to do so. Children do not have a militant nor a fully-mentally disciplined mind to maintain such a practice as a norm.
Also, as children exercising their personal freedom to be able to indulge in conversation, in play, etc., we (as adults, teachers, etc.) need to provide them guidance, navigation, support, wisdom, etc. to continue to remind children of the importance of the United Kingdom, as a Western and Democratic country, is the country that has welcomed people from other places, and the means to allow children to recognize that personal freedom to indulge, play, express, etc. is more open here, and not so rigid - that freedom has a healthy respect, requires a moderate and healthy structure, boundaries, limits.
Do not dismantle that. You give the impression of using a very facetious, superficially and egotistically specious argument that reminding and imposing it is embarrassing.
Continually reminding children is part of guidance and caring for them, not something to be treated as militant. There is no urgent nor subtly delicate need for you to debate it. When parents or friends are not really putting any value nor respect in recognizing some form of appreciation in where you live as of now, who will? Does it seem indoctrinating? Yes, it can appear that way. World War 1 and World War 2 efforts with the UK are fact and truth, not part of something indoctrinated.
This appeal to dissuade or discourage the suggestion in being reminded is part of a distraction mechanism. Many of us see this as a political argument, and you are looking for people who share common dislikes you have to generate momentum to drive political discourse for political change. That, or you are looking for people who may feel more disenfranchised to not care about things in a similar way as you do for political purposes. You show a great deal of dislike and disconnect through politics. This has me curious on what actual values you have for fundamental values and/or humanity? Your argument appeals to deviate from the teaching and conditioning (yes, conditioning) of a person to at least delve into learning the full history of the national anthem (good, bad, ugly). Countries that have the level of civil discourse as they do in the west does show enlightenment, the types of enlightenment you don't see so much in other countries, countries that do provide more protection and values for its people and less favoritism compared to others. You definitely know for a fact you would be physically afflicted for the things you were arguing about in Non-Democratic states, especially so in Islamic states for arguing the things you argue.
Freedom was not meant to be boundless without conditions. Freedom was not meant to be completely dismantled. There is no mention of any sort of fundamental values you appear to be advocating for. You are being a "snowflake" about it, for ulterior motives, and we see right through it. Many people learn just to brush off the given imperative (as you may choose to perceive it, and not a reminder) to sing the national anthem, and then continue on with the day. Try to give personal value and meaning to the national anthem through learning more and more on history and gain more knowledge instead of learning these "Dismantling Mechanisms" you are trying to implement in a country that allows you more freedom compared to many others.
Remember, the UK DOES allow you to be able to express yourself, compared to other countries who would condone physical striking of individuals for expressing the things you are expressing. You may be seeing all these things from outside the box, and want to be able to recreate a state of personal freedom to be able to stray away from even thinking about the national anthem, and turn towards some sort of rogue narrative that can help you wield some form of political power. That is what people see, that is what I see.
When you see only power, and not much on purpose or principle, then many things can appear to be........."embarrassing." What you are advocating for is grossly unreasonable. Conflating things between "singing the national anthem" and "education." Don't you think this form of creative thinking of yours has gone too far?
Just stop scheming. Stop collaborating. You are trying to nitpick fine-combing with something comparable to a microscope, or even an electron microscope. Stop being a trouble maker anarchist. Your arguments are perverted. You are inventing and reinventing things with no real fundamental basis to leverage against people.
Scrap the national anthem and ban it from sport??? NOT............A.............CHANCE! Sing the national anthem of your liking, and share that with us, if you're willing, or are you chicken?
Your sense of fury in your arguments speaks endless volumes. You are power-hungry. Everyone needs to see that.
Spot on Will. A quick search of Ash Sarkar reveals very quickly that her critical theory classes have gone to her head. She's obsessed with defining white people and western culture as oppressors, her analysis of each subject guarantees that utter tedium ensues.
Will crack head could you explain the words and meaning of the national anthem? Thx crack munch.
Will You chat loads shit. The reason Imigrants are here is foreign policy Dummy. Don't go into other people's country then they won't come
I don't go into other people's countries. Maybe you can consider putting back on your "Idea Machine Hat," and try thinking of something that actually makes sense before you write a response. This response from this ABC
seems to be quite fraudulent, possibly some random person.
National security is required. The United Kingdom learned from the mistakes of letting Nazi Germany invade other countries. There will not be any risking of allowing autocratic states to rally up allies to hurt & attack the freedom of the west. Why don't you take your own advice, if you actually know how. Try putting money into infrastructure, social programs, healthcare, etc instead of weapons. Show what it really means to truly care instead of trying to intimidate people into assimilation.
@White Rabbit,
People from more monistic governments are more likely to fail to recognize that countries like the United Kingdom, USA, Canada have different political parties, and it would appear to be that a person like her seriously need to demonstrate a lot more investigative measures to learning the very heavy & complicated content of the history of England among others. These criticisms of ideology of hers need to be fought endlessly with greater knowledge, research, measures, etc. or our values will be rolled back to the point of being ebbed to being redefined by others,then we will be treated worse.
A person like Ash Sarkar doesn't care about identifying exact individuals who may not respect her because she doesn't want to confront exact individuals because it may not help with lobbying for political interests. She wants to attack entire groups,& we are more like mere subjects of the group she perceives as she chooses. We can't let that happen.
Some of the comments here are incredibly patronising. Why are these two erased from being working class just because they use academic language? Are you supposed to stay in a silo your whole life in order to have any stake in the class you are a product of? By that logic because Donald Trump can barely string a coherent sentence together, he is a true blue-collar guy despite being given a 60 million dolllar loan by his daddy.
Anti-intellectualism is a fine British tradition of some decades.
@@EdwardLindon Very true.
@Gwyddion Flint Conservatives have done far more to depress the quality of life of people across the class spectrum whilst going soft on the richest in society and enabling them to dodge taxes. But Labour have been spineless at many points in their history at opposing them.
Rambling bollox but 🔥
I'm off down the pit with my flat cap and flask of Bovril.
You've forgotten BBC Comedy Bread by Carla Lane and Love Thy Neighbour written by Vince Powell and Harry Driver . Both characterising what the elite thought of the working class race colour, social standing etc..
Not forgotten either...your point though??
Isn't it funny how those who talk most about Working Class politics are never from the Working Class.
Rich kids playing revolution.
What was so racist about what he was said? The one thing I realized about these leftist snowflakes is that when they have no facts...they call names and revert back to their grade school selves.
Co interview ash!
Cheer up, when AI gets here it will all be irrelevant
LOL. Petty bourgeois lefties trying to make out they’re working class 😄😄
Errrr legs,really?
Yeh evolved on homosapiens over millions of yrs where have you been?
Clueless kids.
The only woman is like to see in a burka , cover that tash .
Wouldn't mind a "two's up"!