The Martyrdom of Gaza and the Future of Palestine | Norman Finkelstein (2015)
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- Norman Finkelstein’s address to the UCD Philosophy Society, University College Dublin, on the current state of the occupied territories. Tuesday 10 Feb 2015.
In his address, Dr Finklestein discusses the recent conflicts in the occupied territories which followed the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli youths and a Palestinian teen; Israel's anti-missile defence system, the Iron Dome; Isreal’s Operation Protective Edge; and possible ways to resolve the conflict.
Finkelstein, a political scientist, has written extensively on the political, social and historical state of Israel and the occupied territories. He famously and successfully dismantled and deconstructed 'From Time Immemorial' by Joan Peters which, at the time, was considered a foundational and invaluable text on the Palestine - Israel Conflict.
Finkelstein received his doctorate in 1988 from the Department of Politics at Princeton University. He currently teaches at Sakarya University’s Center for Middle Eastern Studies in Turkey. He is the author of ten books that have been translated into 50 foreign editions. The title of his latest book is Method and Madness: The hidden story of Israel’s assaults on Gaza.
“Mr Finkelstein's research is certainly thorough. His characterisations, too, can be brilliant, and he spares nobody...” The Economist (2012).
Norman is the most scholarly voice for Palestinian rights
The man should just read the quran. In surah 2:191 it clearly states that all lands that were one under islamic control must always remain under islamic control. So if Israel was Islamic, nobody Muslims would have a problem with the way Israel defends itself. The proof of this is that there are millions of Muslims being murdered by Muslims in Sudan and Syria and Afghanistan and I certainly have seen no Islamic protest in Europe or the US that call for a ceasefire or that one side is occupying the land of the other side. The reason is Muslims who are not involved do not care when Muslims murder Muslims. But when it means getting land back under Islamic control then Muslims care a lot because that is demanded in the quran. So the problem for the violence in Gaza and Israel is not Israel, but Islam.
Ilan Pappe- "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" and his otehr works are indispensable. too.
Here in lies the problem 🥴
Cringe, free Israel 🇮🇱
@@bigboi57from what
Thank you for telling the truth. My heart is broken for the Palestine people… 💔
Same
I have never heard such a voice for justice in the West like professor Norman.💚💚💚
Listen to Miko Peled, IIan Pepe and Gideon Levy.
@@KamranSher and Avi Shlaim also. It's amazing.
Unbeleivable, this 2015 lecture describes the current war on Gaza today in 2023!!
Now march 2024
Free Palestine🇦🇪
Thank you Dr. Finkelstein for this great lecture!
Dr.Norman Finkelstein is as resilient as Palestinians themselves, defending the truth he believes all the time. Thank you so much for your dedication sir!!!
I wish those criminals in Israel and their supporters around the world watch and listen to this great man,, He lost his job university because he tell the truth...because he is human being...
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Because the Zionists give no shits about the truth, they often cast Norm as *profiting* from his criticism of Israel and "The Holocaust Industry" (his second book, IIRC). Down is up, left is right and murder is freedom.
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Anyone who tells the truth about the Zionist filth is an immediate enemy.
"Down is up, left is right and murder is freedom." I'll add something if I may, truth is a lie and a lie is the truth, justice is injustice, and injustice is justice. pillage is justified, mass murder is justified as well. That is the genocidal mindset of the zionist creed.
God bless Dr. Finklentein, it takes guts to stand up to the masses.
Ture I agree
A man with principles and sense of justice to tell the truth. May God prolong his life and the lives of those who are peace-loving.
Well said
This video needs to be seen today
❤ sharing on fb today Are you sharing for the public?🙏
The lengths this man has gone for the truth is remarkable. He is hero of people.
and how lovely is that he has Jewish heritage. He is the kind of human that humanity needs as an example of morals, justice and ethics. Not tribalism, but a new world. It is a sad reminder to see which direction we are heading and which forces are stronger. The forces that have no compassion, no reason. Just plain, ugly, uncivilized selfinterest.
the bravest academic in america
@L you are missing the point and pushing something that were/are the cause of the most atrocious crimes in history: tribalism and religious extremism. It WAS inevitable from an evolutionary perspective. It WAS. Now, it IS inevitable to grow behind it.
@L nope. I am not missing your point. I was marveling his ability to be able to disconnect from "his tribe's and their religious justification" of the atrocities in Israel and against Palestinians. I was marveling him as a individual with universal ethics, not his religion's belief system that many puts first, even before other people's basic rights. I was thinking that he could be an other Netanyahu, but he isn't.
Personal responsibility and no group thinking.
Why it is so "outrageous" for you?
@L THIS is a jewish rabbi who is more what you were writing about : "Rabbi Dovid Feldman says Israeli authorities raised Sheikh Jarrah evictions to spark outrage among Palestinians"
"We are proud to say that we criticize Israel, which is a true, and maybe the greatest violation of Judaism. We are proud to say that we criticize Israel, because they're a violation of any kind of justice,"
If Heaven existed, Mr. Finkelstein would most definitely have a very especial place up there reserved for him, in reward for his honesty, courage and soulfulness.
It does exist and Norman won’t be there he will rot in hell for telling lies
@@shanewaitley9799pathetic attempt to discredit a scholar by a troll
@@shanewaitley9799 Hell exist for people like you.
the "crocodile tears was the best thing ever" When i listen to norman i get chills in my spine because hes so fucking real and honest and ive never seen someone so damn smart be so fearless, especially on this issue
Hillary Clinton is a terrible actor you can clearly see a smile break through multiple times
I agree with your sentiments exactly. Fearlessness like that is pure power.
He may believe in what he says, but he is full of shit.
It has cost him his post , and maybe his career .
@@mikeyom1 Oh really? Do elaborate.
Well done, UCD, especially making a playlist of it. Shared it widely; he's a very important voice to hear.
I don't know how you feel when listening to this great gentleman. For me I have tears coming out, I love his speech, I love this kind of man. God bless you Mr Norman Finkelstein ❤
Thank you Dr Finkelstein for educating the world and speaking the truth . This is desperatly needed.
My heart is totally & completely fragmented for the people of Palestine.
Not a day passes that I never think of the sufferings of Palestinians and are always in my thoughts & prayers ❤️. God bless, God protect the people of Palestine ❤️
Well said Mr, I am reassured to see people telling the truth through this mad fraud
Thank you Dr. Finkelstein for the valuable perspective that is now preserved in these archives but continues to offer the precise perspective needed to understand the truth. I'm surprised there are no other comments or people watching this right now.
We here
Watching this in oct 2023👌
Thank you for your comment
He says Hamas (de facto) recognizes Israel and renounces violence. I stopped watching at that point. He is not to be taken seriously. An extremely unbalanced viewpoint that reeks of confirmation bias favoring only one side of this conflict.
we are just in a rerun 😅
6 years later and... "the siege continues after the massive destruction"
and no punishment by any. that in itself answers all questions. oh, an dual citizenship in congress helps considerably.
Same excuses for targeting hospitals and residential complexes
Shocking that absolutely nothing has been done by the world and the Palestinian people still suffer and die !!
The Palestinians don't want to suffer anymore. I will tell them how to do it, STOP SHOOTING, and life becomes peaceful and normal. Are you capable of A peaceful, constructive life? I don't think so.
@@mikeyom1 Israel never wanted peace. You never wanted peace when your goal was to steal someone else's land.
The Palestinians never gave you their land, you colluded with the british colonizers to steal their land.
If you tried to kill me to steal my land, then you are a terrorist, and I would have every right to defend myself against your terrorism.
He's brilliant, courageous and principled. There will always be hope for Humanity with people like Professor Finkelstein. Thank you for sharing the video.
Thanks so much sir for being the voice for my PALESTINIAN BROTHERS, SISTERS, ELDERLY AND CHILDREN. I have so much respect for u🌟
U always speak words of wisdom👍
Much respect... from South Africa 2023
UK 2024
Free Palestine🇦🇪
If you watch this without knowing when it was recorded, you would think it was recorded a few weeks after October 7 2023.
Everything he says applies until this day.
Listening to Norman Finkelstein has been a valuable learning experience.
This is a very highly informed man who possesses a superb intellect and equally impressive humanity. A fine and engaging memorable speaker. Thank you and every best wish!
Brilliant ! very important human being right here. One to be admired.
Big respect for Norman F.....He's all logic and facts, and he knows what he's talking about. Respect for a man that keeps getting rocks thrown at him from his own community but stays the course. ....Best of luck for him.
For him facts truly don’t care about your feelings
@L Sure wish Finkelstein would admit he's been dead wrong all along about the two state solution, not to mention his absolutely shameful condemnation of BDS.
@Linda Leonard I mostly agree.
Here in America, we have people who take the Israeli point of view about the United States. They say that if the nice, white people who founded America should ever become a demographic minority, it will mean the destruction of America. We properly regard such people as profoundly psychotic and point them in the direction of the nearest mental hospital. But somehow this preposterous, overtly racist argument has currency because it's insisted upon by Israelis? I don't get it. If the definition of Israel is a state that maintains a Jewish super-majority by a suite of racist preferential laws and a brutal subjugation of the non-Jewish population, than the "destruction" of Israel is something all decent-minded people should support unequivocally.
As to Finkelstein, he's lost the plot. It's hard to even follow what he's saying any more and no one agrees with him. I think his statements castigating supporters of a single state, (including luminaries like Pappe and Gideon Levy) has been shameful as has his vituperative condemnation of BDS is just awful. Here we have so many bright and dedicated young people taking time from their jobs or their studies to do something to exert pressure on Israel and make SOME change in the ghastly state of affairs there and Finkelstein comes along to pour cold water on them and call them a cult. I think it's a disgrace (and I told him so).
@Linda Leonard ps: as to Israel's legality under international law, who knows? I certainly think there is very solid ground to question Israel's legitimacy as a state for a whole variety of reasons, from its refusal to declare its borders and its hour by hour expansion by violent conquest to the fact that the establishment of the jewish state came with a variety of explicit conditions, virtually all of them violated by Israel almost as soon as the documents were signed. As one Palestinian sensibly put it "if I agree to sell you my car, you take the car and never pay me for it, do you still own it?"
I am surprised his videos are still on.. take notes because for sure this videos will little by little disappear 🫥
When everyone in the world gets together and aim to destroy you there is always one person that stands up and defend you try to protect you when you are innocent (that person is a hero
You make me cry Normon Finkelstein! You are such a MARTER FOR THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE. THANK YOU
Because he is honest, and he knows very well this subject. He is a model for all the jew, and more if they are also descendants from people who have been through nazi’s “camp of the death”.
A person that combines extreme intelligence, bravery, morals and conviction in such force is truly a remarkable thing 👏
Spine, principles, courage: Dr. Finkelstein isn't short on these. He also is one of the finest and most dedicated scholars nowadays.
This man exceeds all bounds of hope and expectation I had in mankind
I'm surprised Norman is not more popular, he's a gem of a human begin, he absolutely deserves the Nobel peace prize more than anyone, it's so sad he hasn't received it already.
The Nobel peace prize is a scam the irony is that the Nobel peace prize is given to war criminals such as Nethenyahu
@@aminajay00 And Obama and Bush
He's censored I think. If he was pro israel he would be a king somewhere. The world needs more brave people to stand up for what is right.
#legend
Totally agree. He is a brilliant yet humble human.
I’m really into Chomsky and I thought he was pretty obscure. I only recently learned of Norm through Zei on Twitter and I’m just as surprised I hadn’t heard of him before
The world needs more people like N Finkelstein
Unfortunately, I think because he's just so magnificent God decided we only get one of him. May this man be granted every good in this world and the next. He deserves it. Wish we had more like him and Gabore.
I respect your struggle to uphold humanity and morality .
Still lying your face off.
My heart 💕 loves you and breaks at the same time. Thank you
It's been 6 years and the siege is still in place.
Hi, this man is a Charlemiene figure of pure logic. He has a comparison with that great figure of history, in that both of them have a high pitched voices. He is an honorary Palestinian as well as been Jewish. I used to delight hearing his discourse on RT, till the British shut it down.
I expect RT America is also shut down. So much for free speech...
This needs to be shared
Sharing 4 the public and you?
My Irish brothers show your honesty , raise your strong and honest voice for Oppressed . This is the best time , 2021 . The future will remind , Great Ireland .....
Many new ears have found and are listening to Professor ( including me). Your knowledge and wisdomis a blessing. Thank you.
This aged so well and could have been made yesterday
Always a pleasure Norman, i must admit i do like this side of you, the humor helps to advance your thoughts.
Regardless always a joy and thank you again and again!
This man is a force for justice.I love him, he is so dedicated to a just cause, against all odds he will be heard.
But how do you end this?Surely it depends on the real wishes and intentions of Israel if your to resolve it peacefully Israel must be on the same page.
I love him too. Awesome 😊
Love to see you again. The world desperately needs you. My heart is broken. I'm sad and angry. Just days out since the Gaza hospital bombing. 😢
What a great man, what a teacher.
I watched this video right after your interview with Michaela Paterson... Thank you so much for explaining the truth in these times of confusion.
I respect this man so much...
So do I!
You are legend dr. Thank you for your all support.
We are in May of 2021 and this is exactly how the situation is . Amazing analysis .
We are in Jan 2024 and this is exactly how the situation is. Still, amazing analysis.
Amazing how he comes Alive as the lecture progresses !
Prof Norman F stood by the truth so much respect for him.
I have been listening to this fine gentleman for the past few days. Thank you for articulating so well what has always been a stinger for me. That being, people don't just act violently out of the blue. It's called provocation. The Palestinians have been provoked beyond belief and it is so refreshing to hear someone who has the words to say it. Many thanks from Gatineau, Que., Canada
Thank you Norman Finkelstein 🔴⚫⚪ ~ 🔵⚪
i love this guy can listen to him all day,,great man...
If you loose everything, but not your Love and inner light you must struggle for human justice, like him. May wakan tanka bless you. 🕊️🕊️🪔🕊️🕊️
He could do more for Palestine from the Knesset, lecturing is cool but nobody of any great significance listens 🙉 meaning nothing changes, he should exercise his right of return, run for office and turn his outrage on the fascists destroying Palestine 🇵🇸
This is like music for me. People talking sense, exposing the lies and deceit.
And respect for the UCD for letting this human being talk at your venue.
Those pesky folks who don't like what he says make a habit of trying to pressure/scare/blackmail the host in the hope he cancels it.
Mr finkelstein is so right on this subject.
Anyone else came here because of the current conflict and experiencing dejavu?
2023
Thank you professor Finkelstein!!!👏👏👏🌹🌹🌹
I have total respect for Norman Finkelstein! I’m sure that there are many like him in Israel, but are too scared to speak out!
Israelis are known for speaking out on any subject . Even Arab parties in the Knesset, who are on record wanting to destroy the State, have freedom to speak freely.
@@friendinpotentia Sure. Tell that to Ilan Pappe, who had to leave the country because his two sons were constantly threatened with murder, or journalist Gideon Levy, who must travel everywhere with bodyguards, lest his disgusting lunatic countrymen kill him for failing to support racism and apartheid.
Lol they just can’t do it on one topic. Otherwise you will be labeled as anti semetic right?
Norman always the great man of truth and wish that he lives long, tell more truth
You are always worth hearing.
6 years latter & look where we are.
Nothing ever changing.
it’s been 75 years and opinion has just barely begun to shift
@@ceaseless246 yes you are right. I was looking at the date of the video which was 2015.
@@laconja1 💯 i was just adding to your statement
@@ceaseless246 Ok Thanks
He’s so accurate. He understand this conflict better then anyone. He can read between the line and understands Israel position.. the “peace offensive” example is a better example to understand how well Dr Finkelstein has analysed this conflict.
The peace process is a front for ever lasting conflict or at least until the entire region is annexed, making it even more impossible for a just solution to the conflict.
“Best way to understand the agenda is to ignore the words spoken and follow the action taken”
I have yet heard anything accurate or of value from this guy.
His ridiculous comment “just end the conflict”.. yeah, ok.. Israel removes the blockade and puts down its security, Hamas will overrun Israel in hours murdering & raping every Jewish citizen they can find!
Nothing he has said is grounded in reality!
Thank you, Professor Finkelstein for all you do to educate and combat the ignorance of most of the western world, (some due to the laziness, some wilful, and most, due to the evilness, lack of moral and disgraceful reporters and presenters of mostly all news media for decades)
Dr. Finkelstein is on the same level of genius as Noam Chomsky my favorite modern thinkers.
They will always be modern thinkers. What they say about relations of power has always been applicable since the time of Genghis Khan and will always be.
Id love to seen Ben Shapiro debate him, lol Ben might end up crying anti semitism
Chomsky is a gate keeper though.
Is Finkelstein as well?
Sadly, Chomsky will ultimately be remembered as a Zionist gatekeeper - you can do a search "Chomsky gatekeeper" and see for yourself. Ultimately, he supports the Deep State because it supports Israel. Funny how he never encourages third parties. Vote Green.
Finklestein is a gatekeeper as well.
Agreed. Impressive man
Thank you professor❤
Not to mention, you can't speak against Israel or say anything about Israel's war crimes or you could be lablled antisemestic. The problem is that Israel is saying they are the state of Jews and represent Jews. Of course, if you say that, then any words against Israel could be interpretted against Jews, when a lot of the time, its actually about Israel's actions as a state.
yeah those stupid childish labels they put on people for having opinions on the conflict really annoys me to.... They also label finkelstein and other jews who speak out against israels strong arm tactics as "self haters"
JollySmash I always say, Zionism is a political movement, not an ethnic group. That's why even Jews can oppose Zionism. Hence my opposition to Israel is a political view.
JollySmash Until people find out i'm Jewish, I'm an anti-Semite. Then I'm labeled as a deranged self-hating Jew.
***** Obviously I'm not a religious person and I don't mean to offend anyone. There is a strong religious component to this as well, apart from the obvious military and financial reasons anyone can cite and which you pointed out and I apologize in advance but here goes nothing:
There are strong roots of Christian Zionism which predate Jewish Zionism. Evangelical Christians are hell bent on Jews taking over Jerusalem and rebuilding the third temple. The idea is that we build the temple, G-zus comes and then we get shafted (say for a few thousands who find Jesus. I personally found him on google. typed in Jesus and there he was). It's in the last book of the New Testament.
PS: This is no joke. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism It's been happening since 1840 and evangelists are quite strong in america and fuel the Israeli lobby and there is no need for me to say this. No president will be elected unless professing his/her faith 100 times a day.
PS PS: And the first kind of Jewish Zionists think Israel should not exist unless the Messiah comes first as the prophecy in the Old Testament says but these are labeled anti-Zionists these days.
So IMHO what you said is the closest approximation of the truth I can think of with what I know. But what do I know? I'm just self hating.
TechnocraticBushman Bless your heart for calling a spade a spade.
A Brilliant Example of a Human Being
thanks for your, so much respect
We love you Norman.
Exceptional man
Dr. Norman is a great 👍hero who tells the truth regardless of the consequences. He paid heavy prices for being critical of Israel.
He is like the Candice Owens of the Jews. A token jew.
he's a great man
Respect for this great gentleman
No se desanime...un gran hombre Norman.
So much respect for this righteous Jewish intelligent man.❤️Dr Norman people are you are really few in numbers.
Respect for Norman Finkelstein and Irish MP Richard Boyd Barret as they both stand in total darkness with a torch of Truth & honesty.
A person w/ the heart in the right place.
May God bless you Mr Norman
One of the most objective men in the checkered history of the west.
Thank you Norman Finkelstein for your moral dignity and your teaching, which is a warning to all of us...
UCD, my beloved Alma Mater!!! Thank you!
I love and admire this man for speaking the truth! Everything he says is spot on!
He sounds like he is drugged up. Too many personal references to "insanity ."
To have the courage of your convictions means victory over fear and criticism; to speak out against your own people, a super power, is bravery in the face of assassination; to capture world attention and acceptance of your thoughts as truth is a mission accomplished.
He breaks your heart, Norm does. I always dreaded this growing up - its right up there with being hopelessly in love with a cheat who is incapable of even making an effort of gratitude. His heart is pierced with frustration and sorrow; now I see why some people close shop and drop out of the conversation. Its like talking to a freaking wall - damn, what is it gonna take before we see it?
Whaa?
Did you watch the beginning of the video; when he almost looses it? That's what I'm talking about - either that or I'm on my period! lol
Anogoya Dagaati Too much fluoride perhaps ?
Anogoya Dagaati
I understand what you said. So true. I stopped listening to this conversation years and years ago. And now that I'm checking in again, I see it hasn't changed at all. The only difference is that there are Jewish people _in Israel_ who are vocal about ending the idiocy and are friends with Palestinians _intentionally and visibly._ The ignoring and bloodshed has only increased. Clearly there is something going on here that has nothing to do with Nationalism or land or territory or whatever the fuck they are claiming. There is something behind the curtain that is driving this. All the talk-talk is just a distraction. Check Naomi Klein for some sanity. Peace,
Anogoya Dagaati You're on u r period.
I love Dr. Finklestein. May Allah protect him and bless him 🤲❤️
Here is my contemporary hero!! Him and also George Galloway!
This man deserves a Nobel prize definitely for showing the real struggle of Palestinian people while the media & politicians being complicit in their struggle 🇵🇸
I agree, l love you Norman
so that was 2015 but this lecture could be held just yesterday....
Poor man I feel so sorry for him killing him self trying so hard to to help the oppressed and downtrodden with their suffering, humiliation, hell on earth existence.
simply amazing
I love This Man frankling real man ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷👍👍👍👍From Türkey
This guy is a Legend
He gives me hope
norman on point as usual
Truth to power!
This is the education this world needs now, anyone who doesn't believe it's genocide needs to listen to this man
Sad that this is just as relevant today
The world needs more Normal Finkelsteins.
it's really hard to read your way thru psychopathic papers written by them....hard reading the mentally ill....I agree....you are a great teacher and man for the ages....thanks Norm for all your teachings and work.. you are a real hero and believer in truth for the world
One of the most tragic Isarelis attacked was on the refugees camps Shabra and Shatilla. Most of the DEAD were CHILDREN. Tanks sprayed bullets blindly to tents. Many were caught unaware unti they heard GPMG sounds.
It was the Lebanese Christians that carried the attack in retaliation for murdering their leader. The fault of the Israeli military command was not stopping it.
And this is why your "legitimate criticism" is antisemitic. Because you don't say facts, you make up lies. The massacre is sabra and shatilla is a long lasting proof and a very sad example, to how for 3000 years jews are blamed for things they don't commit. From drinking Christian blood to spreading diseases to now massacre. You should feel very ashamed for spreading lies about who committed this killing, but you probably not. Because just like other liable spreading haters, you actually believe your own lies, despite every evidence proving otherwise.
Thanks for video keep going 🤠 greeting from Morocco