@@MrTweetyhack I do comment only, not discuss as it's not a forum and I have no interest of convincing anybody to my conclusions, observations or reflections anyway even if someone is willing to expand own thoughts.
Ok. "What is the most effed up thing that you see women do to men?" Actually there is quite a bit, on both sides. In the US "toxic femininity" is waaaaay more prevalent. In the end it is individuals choices and behaviors
It's incredibly dangerous to call an inherent quality in all men toxic and throwing out blanket statements and generalizations about half of the human population. Not because men haven't committed great atrocities or evil, but to shame a man for being a man is absurd. This is why so many young men have become cynical of their lives and the world when they're constantly being told that their masculinity is toxic. It's not helpful or healthy to a young man's development to tell him that he should be ashamed of his masculine qualities, something that he did not choose and cannot control.
Toxic: of, pertaining to, affected with, or caused by a toxin or poison: a toxic condition. acting as or having the effect of a poison; poisonous: a toxic drug. Masculinity: Qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men or boys. Toxic Masculinity - Qualities of men or boys that have a poisonous effect on themselves, others and society as a whole. What typical qualities of men or boys are considered toxic? Toxic Masculinity - a derogatory term used by feminists to deride all men by referring to the behaviours of some men. I think the use of the term and the inherent assumption underlying it is itself toxic.
Excellent post. I don't know if you agree, but I sense that this 'trend' of seeking to identify/label behaviors is tied in part to the EDI campaign now making it's way across America.
Look up the Wikipedia article on toxic masculinity. It's much worse. It's any behavior exhibited by men that is toxic or harmful to themselves, other men, or other women, or society as a whole, or any behavior that is expected of men that the expectation is harmful to men or women or society as a whole, OR any expectation men have of other men that is harmful to me or society as a whole, OR any expectation of men by women that is harmful to men or society as a whole, OR any behavior at all exhibited any anyone that is harmful to men or society as a whole. Basically, toxic masculinity is a catchall term to lay the blame of anything bad happening in society at the feet of masculinity and men. It's a hate term targeted at men by feminists.
This idea of toxic masculinity is one if reasons that is making young men withdraw from society. Wish there was more push back then just letting generalizations if "toxic" behavior slide.
First off, I do hate the term Toxic Masculinity, it has been used the wrong way by i'm guessing the left side in America (I'm not american) and has become a frequently used term for some of the biggest idiots on the net. But: What it means does infact exist and it does hurt men. If you hide your feelings, and dont process emotions you are more likely to take your own life, male suicide rate beacause of this is higher than females. Also in realtionships men need to talk about feelings also, and if you have (HATE TO USE THIS TERM) Toxic masculinity, you are unable to do so, as a result the relationship is more likely to end. this is only one of reasons why this matters tough. The word meaning cluster of reasons why men reinforce the wrong side of their idealogy should be rebranded to something like male alienation.
The reason men explain what women allready say, is because women often but not allways use way more words and jump around and you just sum it up with half the words.
What is toxic femininity? What is “fem-splaining”? And what about a toxic academic controlling the conversation of what can and needs to be discussed as being toxic?
This group of men was the worst I have ever seen to speak up about toxic masculinity. I feel most of them were to afraid to say anything or chose to act ignorant about it.
It’s not the same. When is the last time you feared for you life on a date??? Or on a day to day basis fear a woman might abduct you? You’re a man… a fish in water that doesn’t realize it’s in water.
Seems like students from outside USA are not in touch with what is really going on their own country. It's not just about rural and village thing. Toxicity is part of our culture and society. People in position of power support such thing directly and indirectly.
Tell a man something he already knows, and he'll respond with "yeah, I'm familiar with that." Tell a woman something she already knows and it's, "You don't have to MANSPLAIN it just because I'm a girl." Seriously- let's just stop with all that. Referring to stronger personality traits as "toxic" is so wimpy... some people are dicks, both male and female. It's that simple.
An excellent TED Talk that more effectively explains this issue is Tony Porter: A Call to Men. There’s an essential discussion about the man-box and how it damages men and women alike. I highly recommend that video.
I think some example are very toxic - but not really an example for "toxic masculinity". As I understand this term "toxic masculinity" is some kind of behavioiur that is expected from men, to be seen as "masculin" as "a real man", that is considered as "toxic" (for the men themselfes or others)
I'd like to see the men asked about different types of toxicity. I think its a narrow focus really. What do women do in their behaviour that is toxic. I think there may actually be some similarities.
Yeah people use it to dumb down what they are saying. They use it to describe what they are talking about. We need to be more blunt about what we're saying.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! Agree 100% Perhaps to a fault, but when I hear someone using this 'filler' I stop listening.
@4:22 The question: what is the most effed up thing me do to women? Probably giving them half their stuff in a divorce without making them earn it in a proven meritocracy. Or taking the kids every other weekend while paying alimony. Or oh wait, I have this backward.
By this definition there is toxic pet ownership as I dare to put a leash on my dog. There are things that are necessary in the modern world to address the behavior of women. Just as a leash might be less necessary after proper training physical discipline becomes less necessary when the wife is properly trained.
@@MarianneStellmacher-Sonksen Do you believe that verbal abuse exists? Do you believe that psychological abuse exists? Do you believe that people should be allowed to defend themselves? If so then why is it wrong for a man to respond physically to a verbal assault by a woman? After 6000 years of human civilization the idea that you can’t discipline your woman is ridiculous. I’ve never seen a quiet well behaved woman get slapped!
I would have thought that an instructor would teach the student to make their own logical conclusion, however, THIS seemingly 'clown' instructor imbues his thoughts and conclusions onto the student to a degree that the observer can't receive an honest conclusion from the student. The question, "What's the most 'F' up thing...", can be applied to anyone and anything. He's just begging the question and beating the answer from those that could answer in their own way and from their experiences. Do better.
Usually this professor’s classes are a lot better, but this class is a total failure. I don’t feel that anyone has gotten even close to any actual examples of what is toxic masculinity. I left the video around 16 minutes.
There is no law in the US that women must change their name to their husband's when they get married. I feel like changing a woman's name to her husbands is a loss of identity and represents a sense of ownership of the woman. ( Mrs David Kemp; Mr & Mrs David Kemp; Mrs Kemp examples. Her birth name is Janet Marie Brown ) I never gave up MY NAME !
@Elaine Goad There is a practical consideration where children are concerned, assuming that we don't eventually want people wandering about with 20 hyphenated surnames. I think a good solution might be that sons inherent their fathers name and daughters inherit their mothers.
Open your mind to this: the word "disabled" is often replaced with words like "differently abled" and "neurodivergent", yet these same people use outright abusive language to exclusively target men and boys: the term "toxic masculinity" is nothing more than a shaming tactic to gaslight and abuse people while problems like false abuse accusations and skyrocketing crime rates caused by single mother households are ignored.
Oh geez I know this class was a while ago but at the beginning of the discussion Sam missed an important part of defining toxic masculinity that would have driven this conversation in a more constructive direction and helped separate what is true toxic behavior from what is positive masculine qualities. Toxic masculinity is an f’ed up thing that men do that’s either still or recently was mostly socially acceptable in man culture.
Why is the Indian guy the only one giving a lot of details about toxic masculinity? The Arab guy should of been the one with a lot of examples of toxic.
This was a bad video about this subject. In China, males are preferred over females because males have a responsibility to the family that women aren’t responsible for. If you had the choice in having a single child that either adds or subtracts to the family, which do you choose, one that adds or one that subtracts?
That's China though, and misogeny has nothing to do with masculinity or men in general there are toxic people of both genders because people are individuals.
he just made up an definition of mansplaining. your experience of a male teacher chiming in is just that, a male teacher chiming in. You're example shows bias unless you tell us exactly what she said and what he said.
Lesser males perform lesser roles in society. Alpha vs Beta? A dominant male is often respected through fear. In my "place" in society, I'm fear but respect. I usually choose peace as my diplomacy. Although filling a role outside the "social norm", I usually face opposition and adversity. I win.💯
This is black and white thinking. People are more complex than either beta or alpha. Dudes aren't either a loud chest thumping gorillas or a weak quiet babies. There's more relevant criteria to measure a personality.
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I'll be waiting for a lecture on "Toxic Femininity"... in the next century
Toxic feminism.
There's a great documentary on toxic feminity called Mean Girls
In another lecture he said it doesn't exist. 🤔👿
@@stub4488 which lecture?
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The most fucked up thing I am aware of is toxicity of academia, government and media
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very broad statement. please expand
@@MrTweetyhack I do comment only, not discuss as it's not a forum and I have no interest of convincing anybody to my conclusions, observations or reflections anyway even if someone is willing to expand own thoughts.
Where is his lecture about Toxic Femininity where some women act like a victim and not take accountability for their action?
These lecture are years old. The Idea of Toxic femininity was not full formed.
That's all women lmao
Cant really call it toxic femininity if its women in general.
Ok. "What is the most effed up thing that you see women do to men?" Actually there is quite a bit, on both sides. In the US "toxic femininity" is waaaaay more prevalent. In the end it is individuals choices and behaviors
that's why he only talks about other countries instead of the US
It's incredibly dangerous to call an inherent quality in all men toxic and throwing out blanket statements and generalizations about half of the human population. Not because men haven't committed great atrocities or evil, but to shame a man for being a man is absurd. This is why so many young men have become cynical of their lives and the world when they're constantly being told that their masculinity is toxic. It's not helpful or healthy to a young man's development to tell him that he should be ashamed of his masculine qualities, something that he did not choose and cannot control.
I think you overestimate the situation. Most men are not told to stop any masculine behavior or traits
I have never and neither have any of my homies. Men just act how they act we all act different anyway
Toxic is a level. It's how you use it and to what degree. Like in chemistry...even too much oxygen concentration is dangerous to human function
What is this “inherent trait” ? Cause I hope it’s not violence 😬
No one shames men for being men.
Toxic masculinity is toxic, not masculinity in of itself. That's the argument, not what you just said.
Toxic: of, pertaining to, affected with, or caused by a toxin or poison: a toxic condition. acting as or having the effect of a poison; poisonous: a toxic drug.
Masculinity: Qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men or boys.
Toxic Masculinity - Qualities of men or boys that have a poisonous effect on themselves, others and society as a whole.
What typical qualities of men or boys are considered toxic?
Toxic Masculinity - a derogatory term used by feminists to deride all men by referring to the behaviours of some men. I think the use of the term and the inherent assumption underlying it is itself toxic.
Excellent post. I don't know if you agree, but I sense that this 'trend' of seeking to identify/label behaviors is tied in part to the EDI campaign now making it's way across America.
Hear! Hear!
Look up the Wikipedia article on toxic masculinity. It's much worse.
It's any behavior exhibited by men that is toxic or harmful to themselves, other men, or other women, or society as a whole, or any behavior that is expected of men that the expectation is harmful to men or women or society as a whole, OR any expectation men have of other men that is harmful to me or society as a whole, OR any expectation of men by women that is harmful to men or society as a whole, OR any behavior at all exhibited any anyone that is harmful to men or society as a whole.
Basically, toxic masculinity is a catchall term to lay the blame of anything bad happening in society at the feet of masculinity and men.
It's a hate term targeted at men by feminists.
This idea of toxic masculinity is one if reasons that is making young men withdraw from society. Wish there was more push back then just letting generalizations if "toxic" behavior slide.
First off, I do hate the term Toxic Masculinity, it has been used the wrong way by i'm guessing the left side in America (I'm not american)
and has become a frequently used term for some of the biggest idiots on the net.
But: What it means does infact exist and it does hurt men. If you hide your feelings, and dont process emotions you are more likely to take your own life, male suicide rate beacause of this is higher than females. Also in realtionships men need to talk about feelings also, and if you have (HATE TO USE THIS TERM) Toxic masculinity, you are unable to do so, as a result the relationship is more likely to end. this is only one of reasons why this matters tough.
The word meaning cluster of reasons why men reinforce the wrong side of their idealogy should be rebranded to something like male alienation.
The reason men explain what women allready say, is because women often but not allways use way more words and jump around and you just sum it up with half the words.
I'd say 1/4
Maybe you feel that way because you don’t value the ideas of women. Sounds toxic.
The complete and false assumption that women are just passive observers of culture and do jot actively engage with it and shape it too.
It's all part of feminist propaganda honestly... feminists only get power if women perceive themselves as oppressed
Toxicity is just toxicity.
Gendering the term loads it with endless implications and likely unintended consequences.
Edit: @9:58 😂
Professor "tell me about your anecdotal experiences and feelings so that I can shownyou how it proves my theory.."
What is toxic femininity? What is “fem-splaining”? And what about a toxic academic controlling the conversation of what can and needs to be discussed as being toxic?
Toxicity is general among poorly behaving people of either gender. It is not specifically male or female.
This group of men was the worst I have ever seen to speak up about toxic masculinity. I feel most of them were to afraid to say anything or chose to act ignorant about it.
I think you overestimate toxicity in masculinity.
When is the toxic feminism video getting up!oaded? Could you show me the numbers on women getting beat to women cheating on their man?
Dude just mansplaned mansplaning lol. That was funny af
What is toxic femininity? ??? How about we just think in terms of toxic behavior? Not by height , weight , sex, race etc
Exactly.. there is masculinity and femininity.. and there do exist toxic individuals that also exhibit both masc/ fem traits.
It’s cringey to watch a panel of feminist men have a struggle session over their genders “toxicity”. Waiting for them to start to cry.
Toxic masculiniy and toxic femininity is kind of similar, which isn't surprising really is it.
It’s not the same. When is the last time you feared for you life on a date??? Or on a day to day basis fear a woman might abduct you? You’re a man… a fish in water that doesn’t realize it’s in water.
Toxic masculinity is like when the fruedians blamed everything on the unconscious.
All the men’s comments on this post are really revealing
Seems like students from outside USA are not in touch with what is really going on their own country.
It's not just about rural and village thing. Toxicity is part of our culture and society. People in position of power support such thing directly and indirectly.
Tell a man something he already knows, and he'll respond with "yeah, I'm familiar with that." Tell a woman something she already knows and it's, "You don't have to MANSPLAIN it just because I'm a girl."
Seriously- let's just stop with all that. Referring to stronger personality traits as "toxic" is so wimpy... some people are dicks, both male and female. It's that simple.
13:26 never heard of pimping? or just don't believe it's fucked up?
The Chinese girl is speaking of the issues that come with the art of war.
An excellent TED Talk that more effectively explains this issue is Tony Porter: A Call to Men. There’s an essential discussion about the man-box and how it damages men and women alike. I highly recommend that video.
I think some example are very toxic - but not really an example for "toxic masculinity".
As I understand this term "toxic masculinity" is some kind of behavioiur that is expected from men,
to be seen as "masculin" as "a real man", that is considered as "toxic" (for the men themselfes or others)
As a man, I fine more women like the masculinity. And they want a man in their life, not a soy boy.
Given it is an equally destructive thing in society, when can we expect the video of your class on toxic feminity.
I'd like to see the men asked about different types of toxicity. I think its a narrow focus really. What do women do in their behaviour that is toxic. I think there may actually be some similarities.
Can the word "like" be removed from the dictionary please. It's used far, far, far too often nowadays at university.
Yeah people use it to dumb down what they are saying. They use it to describe what they are talking about. We need to be more blunt about what we're saying.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! Agree 100% Perhaps to a fault, but when I hear someone using this 'filler' I stop listening.
And the higher pitch and end of sentences...PLEASE
@@linky8899 Upwards inflection 🤬 Yes, very annoying too.
When a man man explains, he’s just pretty much simplifying something a woman says because women sometimes have to say it in a very complicated manner
This would be more appropriately labled as general toxicity 😂.
I can hear that Indian man for hours. His voice is so soothing.
@@Learningmadeeasy632 like most Indians, I think 😅👍🏻
That’s a kid
@4:22 The question: what is the most effed up thing me do to women? Probably giving them half their stuff in a divorce without making them earn it in a proven meritocracy. Or taking the kids every other weekend while paying alimony. Or oh wait, I have this backward.
How can so many people be on their phones in this class !?!?!!?
But nobody ever talks about toxic femininity
By this definition there is toxic pet ownership as I dare to put a leash on my dog. There are things that are necessary in the modern world to address the behavior of women. Just as a leash might be less necessary after proper training physical discipline becomes less necessary when the wife is properly trained.
@@drstevej2527
The idea of "training a wife" like you would a dog... sounds pretty condescending.
I hope you didnt mean to say that.
@@MarianneStellmacher-Sonksen
Do you believe that verbal abuse exists? Do you believe that psychological abuse exists? Do you believe that people should be allowed to defend themselves?
If so then why is it wrong for a man to respond physically to a verbal assault by a woman?
After 6000 years of human civilization the idea that you can’t discipline your woman is ridiculous. I’ve never seen a quiet well behaved woman get slapped!
I would have thought that an instructor would teach the student to make their own logical conclusion, however, THIS seemingly 'clown' instructor imbues his thoughts and conclusions onto the student to a degree that the observer can't receive an honest conclusion from the student.
The question, "What's the most 'F' up thing...", can be applied to anyone and anything. He's just begging the question and beating the answer from those that could answer in their own way and from their experiences.
Do better.
If you want to study how a teacher coerces student and looks to validate his own opinion this is it..
Yea, the entire lecture was lost in translation the moment he opened up dialogue in the wrong direction.
Exactly, forcing you to think twice of your own culture is probably the most TOXIC(fucked up) thing in American culture.
@@ericchen4549 being Asian you probably wouldn’t know much about American culture
@@steve19811 you know asian americans exist right?? Lol
This is great! We need more professors like this. Perspectives are amazing, and the students did great, too. Would love to meet you, Sir.
not one of those men knew the definition
💜💜💜
I love how the one dude mansplains, mansplaining hahaha
Honour killing is vigilantism.
Honoured killings have happened in UK.
Usually this professor’s classes are a lot better, but this class is a total failure. I don’t feel that anyone has gotten even close to any actual examples of what is toxic masculinity. I left the video around 16 minutes.
Because there is none. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. Its just a sexist idea perpetuated by feminists (feminazi).
It's natural order simple
is seeking false sympathy with a sob story toxic femininity?
Last time I checked. Women lost their family names in your culture after marriage, professor?
There is no law in the US that women must change their name to their husband's when they get married. I feel like changing a woman's name to her husbands is a loss of identity and represents a sense of ownership of the woman. ( Mrs David Kemp; Mr & Mrs David Kemp; Mrs Kemp examples. Her birth name is Janet Marie Brown ) I never gave up MY NAME !
@Elaine Goad There is a practical consideration where children are concerned, assuming that we don't eventually want people wandering about with 20 hyphenated surnames.
I think a good solution might be that sons inherent their fathers name and daughters inherit their mothers.
funny how he doesn't have 1 female up there?
The females are sitting in the audience and get a chance to comment from their perspective. ❤
It doesnt exist... Sad to see this men public bashing in such environement.
Its funny your openmindedness would be claimed by both political parties.
Open your mind to this: the word "disabled" is often replaced with words like "differently abled" and "neurodivergent", yet these same people use outright abusive language to exclusively target men and boys: the term "toxic masculinity" is nothing more than a shaming tactic to gaslight and abuse people while problems like false abuse accusations and skyrocketing crime rates caused by single mother households are ignored.
another reason to feel victimized by your own ideology/belief.
funny he avoids talking about toxic femininity and why is he talking about other countries just to make a point?
Can this guy stop saying bro!
Oh geez I know this class was a while ago but at the beginning of the discussion Sam missed an important part of defining toxic masculinity that would have driven this conversation in a more constructive direction and helped separate what is true toxic behavior from what is positive masculine qualities.
Toxic masculinity is an f’ed up thing that men do that’s either still or recently was mostly socially acceptable in man culture.
Why is the Indian guy the only one giving a lot of details about toxic masculinity? The Arab guy should of been the one with a lot of examples of toxic.
Arab guy is from the religion of peace. Abduls will not say anything bad about their Islamic patriarchy/culture. 😂
This was a bad video about this subject.
In China, males are preferred over females because males have a responsibility to the family that women aren’t responsible for. If you had the choice in having a single child that either adds or subtracts to the family, which do you choose, one that adds or one that subtracts?
That's China though, and misogeny has nothing to do with masculinity or men in general there are toxic people of both genders because people are individuals.
he just made up an definition of mansplaining. your experience of a male teacher chiming in is just that, a male teacher chiming in. You're example shows bias unless you tell us exactly what she said and what he said.
Lesser males perform lesser roles in society. Alpha vs Beta? A dominant male is often respected through fear. In my "place" in society, I'm fear but respect. I usually choose peace as my diplomacy. Although filling a role outside the "social norm", I usually face opposition and adversity. I win.💯
This is black and white thinking. People are more complex than either beta or alpha. Dudes aren't either a loud chest thumping gorillas or a weak quiet babies. There's more relevant criteria to measure a personality.
dude mansplained mansplaining lol
Not a real concept