i love the level of commentary on these casts. Would not have had the slightest clue on the calibre of skill in these matches in terms of decision making
Cool games. The expert commentary really holds my interest. I fired up BW for the first time in 8+ years last night because of these casts!! I successfully 1v3d some computers… but it really put in to perspective what high apm allows. There is so much to remember while the action is going on. Its impressive that people don’t run up like 2k minerals while they are also running engagements. Thanks for this channel Artosis
I really wanna get back into the game, but it seems only really good players are still active. Even the lowest tier players are completely out of my league.
I think the ultra-ling plays were super fun to watch! Seeing storms used on that kind of composition was so exciting, because the lings *can* dip out quickly if the zerg player micros in time, but if they don't do it instantly, so many lings just melt. Your excitement was certainly infectious, it's so awesome to see people still have so much love for this game.
For once, I'm getting chills as well. What a crazy series. Love the games - even though I'm 3 months late! Appreciate the coverage, looking forward to future seasons. Cheers
Gotta say man, I love your enthusiasm in watching your casts. Brings me back 20 years when I used to discuss every aspect of a match to friends in college. Keep it up!
In that last match it was interesting to see how even though Dewalt lost a LOT of corsairs needlessly, he was still obviously going to win. He set himself up really well strategically.
That first game was the goofiest, jankiest, craziest thing I've ever witnessed. I'm all for this happening more times in the future with this matchup, because this shit is peak entertainment.
Very cool games! Been enjoying CNSL very much. Used to play a lot of Brood War back in college (just LAN parties with friends, mostly) and it's neat to see it played so well.
IMO this series, especially game 1, had a lot more edge of your seat action then the GSL Finals 😅 Never thought I would see the day of Zergling Ultra spam against Protoss since they have Reavers and Storm as hard counters! I am 37 and have been involved with Starcraft since the first game was released. Despite being an old game, it still delivers GREAT Matches and unforeseen strats to this day! TY RT For your dedication and knowledge on Starcraft BW and Keep up the great work. Peace and HF with your family as well ;P
@@samc9133 It still looked very weird; like you actively have to keep clicking on the mutas to keep them bunched up like that or they'll naturally split. Maybe his camera was on where they mutas were being commanded to go, instead of keeping the camera on them and clicking the minimap.
I just finished watching the ASL finals, which was solid. The finals can be amazing but there have been some let-downs over the years. This series was as fun to watch as some of the best moments of the ASL! Amazing games, amazing commentary. The only missing was tasteless telling you "no way he makes guardians" right before the greater spire.
First game was spectacular, love seeing the ultras have their moment. My question is, if he makes more zerglings and less ultras do you think that is more or less effective? Is it a larva limitation issue? I felt at times there were not enough zerglings.
I'm reminded of *"InDepth" - Episode 1* when you break down Scarlet v Serral, when she mollywhopped him with ling-lurker by timing out her +1 carapace with his +1 missile attack. Then in another game, Raynor does a variation on ling-lurker, and iirc he went to ling-ultra at the end? Just fun to see some borrowing of ideas back and forth (or accidental evolution to similar ideas) but in different matchups, but same situation that some attack upgrade nullifies zerglings use because of the 2nd most efficient breakpoint upgrade: reducing 3 hits to 2 hits for kill (most efficient is 2 shots to 1 shot), and using carapace upgrade to uno reverse the circumstance to surprise use speedlings all the way to rushed hive cracklings.
I think the reason Protoss went for + Armor was due to how his wall was shaped. When you get + Armor you're doing it to counter Hydras, not Lings. When he had to build a weird wall with the Forge out in the open like that at the start in order to block the Ling run by, he probably assumed that the Zerg would punish it by going 3 Hatch Hydra and break down the wall with relative ease. Of course that and the fact that he sniped the Hydra Den early on incentivized the Zerg to go for Lings with Carapace and gave us that excellent game. Crazy how a single moment in the game can create a cascading effect, changing the entire tech tree on both sides.
Really was insane how well the zerg adapted to getting his lurker tech cancelled. the fact he had an immediate tech mixup to counter that situation was nuts.
Lol at Dewalt running up with 3 zealots and 2 archon, killing the hydra den and running away. I love his weird and aggressive styles, especially the way he's constantly attacking multiple bases at once to get drones with his zealots. I want him to win this thing so bad!
Very interesting match up. Didn’t expect the Zerg player pulled out all the advanced units in the first game. The use of guardians interested me on both games.
always been curious about ultra vs lategame reaver/storm, people say those things counter ultra but losing some health on an ultra seems better than having storm/scarab consistently exploding multiple hydras
I'd also recommend wrist stretches. IIRC, Day9 has some great hand/wrist/forearm stretches but you can find the same thing just looking up wrist stretches.
People are saying how strong Zerg is, but noone is taking about how you can remove 16 MILLION RESOURCES WITH JUST THREE ARCHON SHOTS! INSANE VALUE, CHILLS
This is like what the lore of the game is this is how Aiur fell that second game was so cool that big attack was awesome to watch made me smile ear to ear
That 1st match ... so great to see players stepping outside the "rules and boundaries" set by the top pro players. I mean this one looked better than ASL (looking at you S17 final). Looking forward to seeing a Chinese player making Ghosts viable.
I wonder if mind control could be an effective counter to guardians? You effectively force them to use a bunch of scourge, allowing just a couple corsairs to clear them.
37:23 Artosis you missed XiaoShuai attempting a ninja base in the bottom left, but apparently it got killed by something from Dewalt (I'm assuming zealots)! GREAT games though!! Edit: just saw you mention it, my bad!
Seems like Toss have an easier time dealing with Defilers than Terran. At least they got melee units in Dark Swarm. Plus that feedback on that defiler was sick. I think this is one of the funnest match ups I've watched so far in my short time watching SC1 casts instead of SC2.
What an absolutely INSANE first game. NEVER seen anything like that (though that's not saying much, since I'm more of a "casual" viewer). Regardless, great stuff 🔥
Artosis mate I agree 100% that StarCraft is the best game that's for sure. The problem is that the new generations likes easy live, easy money, easy games too. You know most ppl even like watching games better than playing them. Sc is so difficult and that's the main reason new people wont start playing it. Some just play it because it kinda takes you back in time to your childhood :) Anyways the game is fun when you are pro and playing with other pros but it is also fun when you are noob playing other noobs :) I love playing and also watching. The way it goes StarCraft could become like the new chess (it is kinda similar anyways) and in the future people still play it and it comes with every new pc as "windows games" hahaha It is shame that nobody works on anything like books, movies, boardgames etc in sc universe. That would be awesome and more people would start playing as well. Thanks to you and everyone who is keeping it alive.
Whats the deal with the zealot behind the mineral line? Leave it there. He cant range attack anyways. I dont understand why they get desperate to take him down
The Ultra Ling was very cool. I would compare it to Reaver for Toss in that it's not something you can go for right away because it's too easy to handle early in the game.
I am not sure if i enjoy SC in general , or just Artosis as a caster in general ... like i would probably not have loved to watch the matches, if i would not have vibed with the caster ... so ignoring the game itself for a second and giving credits to Artosis and all the effort put into this and continuing to push ahead with the great casting !
In the first game XiaoShuai started the Lurker Aspect research just before he saw +1 armor from Protoss, then Dewalt killed his Hydra Den and the moment Den died XiaoShuai started Queen Nest, he never remade Hydra Den, he made 0 hydralisks (and lurker) for the entire game. Something like 'you sacrificed a bounch of units to snipe my Hydra Den + you went for armor upgrades? oh yeah, it's ling ultra then'
Yes, it seems it was a very situational build. I have to respect XiaoShuai's quick-thinking on this one. Good game-state awareness, good improvisation / adaptation.
Loved to see Ultras and Guardians vs Protoss. Seemed to me that Z needs to have air control and at least be on par of upgrades for it to work. Spoiler: The second game, way too many resources were spent teching to both Ultras and Guardians at the same time, and even with defilers it was impossible to hold.
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Artosis needs a sweater. Too many chills.
give that mtf a blanket
It's a crime he hasn't liked or pinned this yet.
i love the level of commentary on these casts. Would not have had the slightest clue on the calibre of skill in these matches in terms of decision making
Cool games. The expert commentary really holds my interest. I fired up BW for the first time in 8+ years last night because of these casts!! I successfully 1v3d some computers… but it really put in to perspective what high apm allows. There is so much to remember while the action is going on. Its impressive that people don’t run up like 2k minerals while they are also running engagements. Thanks for this channel Artosis
i played my first game of bw the other week cuz of these casts after not having played bw since b4 sc2
I really wanna get back into the game, but it seems only really good players are still active. Even the lowest tier players are completely out of my league.
@@Hulavuta no not just good players in custome games
For sure, RTs commentary makes these matches way more fun to watch
@@HulavutaWeekends are where you see the greatest variety. Look for “Noob” in the title for a better beginner match in the custom lobby.
praise be to the algorithm gods for always putting the new artosis cast video at the front of my timeline every morning
Choose your words carefully my brother. Nothing godly exists within an algorithm.
they goon hard
@@JJ-Toreddie you seem lame
@bigmikeobama5314 🙄
@@verybigbrain723 so does your mom
These CSNL updates have gotten me back into watching brood war, thanks for casting these
CNSL WOOPS
That first game was so unique. Proof that StarCraft will never die! Dewalt is a beast!!
I think the ultra-ling plays were super fun to watch! Seeing storms used on that kind of composition was so exciting, because the lings *can* dip out quickly if the zerg player micros in time, but if they don't do it instantly, so many lings just melt. Your excitement was certainly infectious, it's so awesome to see people still have so much love for this game.
For once, I'm getting chills as well. What a crazy series. Love the games - even though I'm 3 months late! Appreciate the coverage, looking forward to future seasons. Cheers
Gotta say man, I love your enthusiasm in watching your casts. Brings me back 20 years when I used to discuss every aspect of a match to friends in college. Keep it up!
ARTOSIS in the morning, while working out, while sleeping. MY GOAT
wassup my dude its gankmobile :D listen to artosis as I sleep every night.
I offer a Mario Erotica novel narrated by Artosis voice if you're interested. $4.99
bw is such a beautiful game, glad we still have these casts to keep it alive for a wider audience
Great games! Both Xiao's fancy unorthodox builds and DeWalt's by the book execution were enjoyable to observe.
Wow that's a Huge Ultralisk on the preview image. Those zealots will have an easy time surrounding him.
The CNSL is probably my favorite SC1 content to watch besides the ASL. Cant click these fast enough! I love how you group the games as well.
Back go the 00's, pvz meta was ultra-lings vs zealots-archons
A few weeks ago it was Jaedong going Hydras vs Wraith harass. Now it's Ultras vs Protoss. What a time to be alive!
Love seeing stuff that shakes up the meta. Your commentary really helps contextualize a lot of it too.
In that last match it was interesting to see how even though Dewalt lost a LOT of corsairs needlessly, he was still obviously going to win. He set himself up really well strategically.
That first game was the goofiest, jankiest, craziest thing I've ever witnessed. I'm all for this happening more times in the future with this matchup, because this shit is peak entertainment.
I do love to see some pro Brood War games!!!!!
Thank you for your amazing casts
Very cool games! Been enjoying CNSL very much. Used to play a lot of Brood War back in college (just LAN parties with friends, mostly) and it's neat to see it played so well.
20:45 Artosis giving a speech while Cracklings casually pick off 3 HT’s
Loved the games! I especially enjoy when two huge armies clash together, a rare-ish sight in competitive games imo
this new format really rocks! Plz keep on!
IMO this series, especially game 1, had a lot more edge of your seat action then the GSL Finals 😅 Never thought I would see the day of Zergling Ultra spam against Protoss since they have Reavers and Storm as hard counters! I am 37 and have been involved with Starcraft since the first game was released. Despite being an old game, it still delivers GREAT Matches and unforeseen strats to this day!
TY RT For your dedication and knowledge on Starcraft BW and Keep up the great work. Peace and HF with your family as well ;P
33:35 Why did the mutas stop? Was that a mistake?
Just guessing, either he misclicked and looked away or he just assumed he wouldn't get chased then looked away.
@@samc9133 It still looked very weird; like you actively have to keep clicking on the mutas to keep them bunched up like that or they'll naturally split. Maybe his camera was on where they mutas were being commanded to go, instead of keeping the camera on them and clicking the minimap.
Insane game 1, love to see ultras and gaurdians
I just finished watching the ASL finals, which was solid. The finals can be amazing but there have been some let-downs over the years. This series was as fun to watch as some of the best moments of the ASL! Amazing games, amazing commentary. The only missing was tasteless telling you "no way he makes guardians" right before the greater spire.
First game was spectacular, love seeing the ultras have their moment. My question is, if he makes more zerglings and less ultras do you think that is more or less effective? Is it a larva limitation issue? I felt at times there were not enough zerglings.
Wow, what great matches! The ultra/ling was such a fresh take
Gripping series, love the ultras, love having great games to watch in between ASL releases!
Series of the tournament so far! Impressive play from both players!
Excellent games. 1st game was the coolest game I've seen in a long time.
Protoss do be loving their 'micro holes' =D
I'm reminded of *"InDepth" - Episode 1* when you break down Scarlet v Serral, when she mollywhopped him with ling-lurker by timing out her +1 carapace with his +1 missile attack. Then in another game, Raynor does a variation on ling-lurker, and iirc he went to ling-ultra at the end? Just fun to see some borrowing of ideas back and forth (or accidental evolution to similar ideas) but in different matchups, but same situation that some attack upgrade nullifies zerglings use because of the 2nd most efficient breakpoint upgrade: reducing 3 hits to 2 hits for kill (most efficient is 2 shots to 1 shot), and using carapace upgrade to uno reverse the circumstance to surprise use speedlings all the way to rushed hive cracklings.
Guardians used to be a common meta back in the day, you'd have to worry about that switch as much as late game drops.
What a series! The ultra-ling was really cool. I also wonder if one or two scout is worth against guardians. Also thanks for the casting!
I think the reason Protoss went for + Armor was due to how his wall was shaped. When you get + Armor you're doing it to counter Hydras, not Lings. When he had to build a weird wall with the Forge out in the open like that at the start in order to block the Ling run by, he probably assumed that the Zerg would punish it by going 3 Hatch Hydra and break down the wall with relative ease. Of course that and the fact that he sniped the Hydra Den early on incentivized the Zerg to go for Lings with Carapace and gave us that excellent game. Crazy how a single moment in the game can create a cascading effect, changing the entire tech tree on both sides.
Really was insane how well the zerg adapted to getting his lurker tech cancelled. the fact he had an immediate tech mixup to counter that situation was nuts.
No....the hydra busy would have targeted the forge before the upgrade would ever finish
Sc2 cinematic was filmed in the first game
o damn, I wasn't expecting that this series would be this good
Lol at Dewalt running up with 3 zealots and 2 archon, killing the hydra den and running away. I love his weird and aggressive styles, especially the way he's constantly attacking multiple bases at once to get drones with his zealots. I want him to win this thing so bad!
Awesome series. First 2 games were like…. Wow. GGs!
The Ultra-ling was interesting, but I don't know how well it would have worked if Dewalt's economy didn't get crushed.
Kinda classic, ultra-crackling.
I love it
This style of PvZ is so entertaining!! Not gonna spoil the techs, but damn I want to see more games like this for sure!!!!
Very interesting match up. Didn’t expect the Zerg player pulled out all the advanced units in the first game. The use of guardians interested me on both games.
wow awsome games ! love the commentary, what an insight.
Awesome games with CNSL, especially nice waiting for the ASL finals to have that SC fix.
always been curious about ultra vs lategame reaver/storm, people say those things counter ultra but losing some health on an ultra seems better than having storm/scarab consistently exploding multiple hydras
Yeah at least it allows the lings to get close enough to do the real work
Guys, any tips for playing sc1 and not getting hurt wrists / hands?
I work at the computer for day job, so I don't have much stamina
Look into proper desk and computer ergonomics. Stuff like having your desk and wrists at the right heights and angles etc.
I'd also recommend wrist stretches. IIRC, Day9 has some great hand/wrist/forearm stretches but you can find the same thing just looking up wrist stretches.
@39:59 am I right that the zerg player attacked and killed his own defiler?
Loving the casts
People are saying how strong Zerg is, but noone is taking about how you can remove 16 MILLION RESOURCES WITH JUST THREE ARCHON SHOTS! INSANE VALUE, CHILLS
HE JUST SITS THERE GIVING ME NERD CHILLS
Man that game 1 was so cool, the mid game felt like wc3 without heroes!
Loved the Ultra-ling style, it made for a blast of a game to watch!
Arty, are you constantly getting chills because gg is cold?
This is like what the lore of the game is this is how Aiur fell that second game was so cool that big attack was awesome to watch made me smile ear to ear
That 1st match ... so great to see players stepping outside the "rules and boundaries" set by the top pro players. I mean this one looked better than ASL (looking at you S17 final).
Looking forward to seeing a Chinese player making Ghosts viable.
The 3x high templar snipe near the end of the 1st game was a nail in the coffin.
this was an amazing series
Dude..did you accidentally turn on the a/c while you were watching the first game...so many chills.
I wonder if mind control could be an effective counter to guardians? You effectively force them to use a bunch of scourge, allowing just a couple corsairs to clear them.
Watching this on a Samsung phone, one of the most beautiful colors contrast I've seen in my life
49:15 I didn't know that "over-microing" could be a bad thing.
Corsair micro where???
37:23 Artosis you missed XiaoShuai attempting a ninja base in the bottom left, but apparently it got killed by something from Dewalt (I'm assuming zealots)! GREAT games though!!
Edit: just saw you mention it, my bad!
Any chance you and tasteless can do these kind of casts?
Seems like Toss have an easier time dealing with Defilers than Terran. At least they got melee units in Dark Swarm. Plus that feedback on that defiler was sick. I think this is one of the funnest match ups I've watched so far in my short time watching SC1 casts instead of SC2.
Great series!
16:45 the artosis chills😂
These are/were such GREAT games!!!!
29:14 - yea, Hydracount reduces from 5 to 10. You're getting OOOOOOOOOOOLD ARTY
feedback against defilers is actually way underrated i think, really cool to see it being used here
Man! This is the best game that has had the best well use of ultralisks! Even with those mistakes of letting some ultras back sometimes.
Dark archons should be invisible - thoughts @artosis?
artosis after 20 years playing starcraft: 'oh +1 base armor for dark archons, real shit?'
Absolutely love how Dewalt is doing.
What an absolutely INSANE first game. NEVER seen anything like that (though that's not saying much, since I'm more of a "casual" viewer). Regardless, great stuff 🔥
Artosis mate I agree 100% that StarCraft is the best game that's for sure. The problem is that the new generations likes easy live, easy money, easy games too. You know most ppl even like watching games better than playing them. Sc is so difficult and that's the main reason new people wont start playing it. Some just play it because it kinda takes you back in time to your childhood :)
Anyways the game is fun when you are pro and playing with other pros but it is also fun when you are noob playing other noobs :)
I love playing and also watching.
The way it goes StarCraft could become like the new chess (it is kinda similar anyways) and in the future people still play it and it comes with every new pc as "windows games" hahaha
It is shame that nobody works on anything like books, movies, boardgames etc in sc universe. That would be awesome and more people would start playing as well.
Thanks to you and everyone who is keeping it alive.
Why does he call Dragoons, Dry-goons?
The utlras/ling was awesome. It was almost like flashback many years ago.
THis series was amazing, very nice indeed.
Amazing video!
Doing Good Work Artosis.
Artosis! keep up the great video's!
this series was insane
thanks artosis. Thartosis.
Loved seeing the Ultras. I don't see them much in ZvP.
Whats the deal with the zealot behind the mineral line? Leave it there. He cant range attack anyways. I dont understand why they get desperate to take him down
Really? I swear I remember that double depot with the barracks in the middle wall on Brood Wall.
The Ultra Ling was very cool. I would compare it to Reaver for Toss in that it's not something you can go for right away because it's too easy to handle early in the game.
The gg-less ragequit at the end was juicy.
stop asking me to leave a comment, i refuse to do it
I am not sure if i enjoy SC in general , or just Artosis as a caster in general ... like i would probably not have loved to watch the matches, if i would not have vibed with the caster ... so ignoring the game itself for a second and giving credits to Artosis and all the effort put into this and continuing to push ahead with the great casting !
In the first game XiaoShuai started the Lurker Aspect research just before he saw +1 armor from Protoss, then Dewalt killed his Hydra Den and the moment Den died XiaoShuai started Queen Nest, he never remade Hydra Den, he made 0 hydralisks (and lurker) for the entire game.
Something like 'you sacrificed a bounch of units to snipe my Hydra Den + you went for armor upgrades? oh yeah, it's ling ultra then'
Yes, it seems it was a very situational build.
I have to respect XiaoShuai's quick-thinking on this one. Good game-state awareness, good improvisation / adaptation.
Loved to see Ultras and Guardians vs Protoss. Seemed to me that Z needs to have air control and at least be on par of upgrades for it to work.
Spoiler:
The second game, way too many resources were spent teching to both Ultras and Guardians at the same time, and even with defilers it was impossible to hold.
So cool to see Zerg try new builds instead of seeing hydra vs storm for the millionth time
I was under the assumption that dragoons would wreck ultralisks, supported by storms or archons for the zerglings.
10/10 match 100/10 commentary
great series