The tent comes with a template, the nomad large goes in the middle template hole, which is more like 2/3 the way up the stove jack if you didn't use template.
Great video. The stove could use screw in adjustable legs, and the tent would be better if you could tie back the flaps with something that doesn't require a bow to secure them. So far, hat is my favorite tent.
I've been considering this tent. Springbar now makes a storm-fly for it.. which I suspect will completely eliminate that rippling and leaking in the roof. Good video.
Springbar's 10x14 Stormfly is not compatible with their Skyliner. Either an aftermarket or DYI solution for a rainfly on the Skyliner. Bet, they'll get around to making one for the Skyliner eventually.
I think I’d charge up the robo vacuum & let it fly if I had kids/dogs with me. I really wish there was a entry screen room to add that zipped up. Could keep shoes, wet clothes/coats during rain. Use mesh to sit out & not get buggy on warm nights.
I’ve purchased a Skyliner based on your vids, now I’m looking into a stove. Would it be possible to to position the stove sideways so that the larger window is facing you?
That's awesome I hope you love the Skyliner as much as I do! I've never tried to orient the stove as you describe. I think it could work if you just turn it 90 degrees and leave the stove pipe going out as it does. You'd likely have to fold in the stove's drying rack on one side, but I think it could be done.
Looks like an awesome trip brother. Ordered the Skyliner and the large Woodsman set today. Buy once, cry once. Your videos were a big help in my decision, really appreciate your thorough reviews. What angle did you end up needing to correct the stakes to, and is that still an issue or has Springbar fixed it?
They have improved it with a change to the length of the crossbar on top. I'm not sure I've got the angles down to a science, but I find fair weather solves the problem. 😂
I was wondering if there is a good way to brace or guy the flue pipe so it will not fall over in high wind? If it fell over with a hot fire going it would be terrible possibly flipping stove over. The support cable will not stop it from laying over in a high wind. Have you or any other owners of this tent had this concern or a solution? I thought of maybe rigging up a couple pieces of conduit with a large hose clamp maybe.
There are some eyelets on the chimney cap where you could attach guy lines if you wished. Or you could even attach some cable below. I have been pretty impressed that even in 40mph winds that chimney stayed in place. The Winnerwell stoves aren't super lightweight so they don't move easily. But I'm sure in extreme conditions it's possible. My plan would be just to attach a little carabiner to either side of that top chimney cap and guy it out with some polycord and stakes up and down wind if possible.
I’m confused. When you’re talking about having to make the roof more taut @22:19 a pole is moving up and down from the roof in the background but what’s strange about it, it looks like it’s coming directly from the tent below….if that makes sense.
I never noticed that, you have a keen eye! I think that is actually just a droplet of water on the camera lens though. No pole up there, but it was raining pretty hard.
Flipping it around may have helped on that trip, but it turned out I had the hole cut in the wrong spot altogether. I ended up getting a new stove jack and got a template that time so I wasn't guessing where to cut the hole.
With dogs and kids, Sweeping up sand is a never ending job. I like the extra canvas inner floor you placed down at the start of setting up this tent, does that come with the tent from the factory or is that something you brought. I am still concerned about potentially getting wet. I have a two week coming trip back in Oklahoma, it the first two weeks of November and it could be anything like this light rain for 3-5 days and or sleet or sunshine, you just never know, but I have seen it all over the past 40 years of camping, fishing and hunting Oklahoma. DO you know if you can spray that silicone tent dry on this canvas to keep up from leakiign and or would I have to hang a hammock type tarp above this tent to keep it dry, that takes some of the fun out of it, but nothing is worse that comoing back to camp wet from hunting all day in the rain to find your sleeping gear soaked and wet along with a wet dog who has mad a island of your clothes to lay on so he isn't getting wet from the water in the floor. I hope you can find the time to answer my question. Keep up the great videos. I am sure you are responsible for helping this company sell many of these tents. now the kicker will be the cheaper hot tent or this one.? Thanks again, looks like a fun family camping trip. Dale
It was a fun trip, Dale, thanks for the comment! And sorry for the late reply. But to answer your question, the canvas tarp I use did not come with the tent. But I do love it and use it all the time for all sorts of stuff, including as a floor inside the tent, or sometimes as a doormat outside the tent to keep dirt from being tracked inside as much. This one comes from a company called White Duck Outdoors. Here's an affiliate link if you want, amzn.to/497GclX. It definitely goes on every trip now. As far as the leaking potential goes, I don't think a new treatment of silicone spray will help at all with a brand new tent. The canvas is treated for that at the factory and the problem I had here was more related to the pooling of water on top which eventually seeped through the seams. Springbar reached out and told me they made a couple improvements since. I haven't had a problem since but I also haven't had persistent rain like that yet to really know. Springbar does make a Stormfly for their other tents which is a nice waterproof fly you can put over top of the tent as extra cover, but it's not sized for the Skyliner so perhaps they will release one soon. Best of luck on your upcoming trip!
There are some eye hooks where you can attach guy lines to this stove pipe. But I haven't needed it, even on this trip in gusts of 40mph+. It doesn't spin or anything, the pipe segments fit together very snugly. I think the bigger risk is that the whole chimney tips over in the wind, pivoting at the 45 degree angle where it exits the stove jack. But that hasn't been a problem for me either with these Winnerwell stoves.
Definitely not my usual experience with canvas. I think it was in part my setup and in part the new design of this tent. They've tweaked a couple things since to help mitigate the issue.
Thanks for the great video(s). Would you be able to tell me approx. how long the chimney support cable is? Looks simple enough to make my own but was hoping you could share the length so I don't have to guess at it. Please and thank you.
I love this tent. I hope they work out the issue with the top. I saw this same issue on another video. They do have a fly that would likely help resolve this and I like the idea of the fly anyway, protecting it from leaves, bird bombs etc. Regarding the Winnerwell large, I notice the cleanout looks to be divided with a verticle piece..is this an issue cleaning out the stove? I hope to snag one of these soon. Moab is such a neat area and town. Love the Arches National Park.
Ya it's a great tent. I've heard from Springbar a couple times since and sounds like they've made some improvements so I expect it won't be a big deal long term. On the large Nomad that's actually not intended to be a cleanout. It's just the intake vent for airflow. To clean it out, I just open the whole door, pick it up, and dump the ash out at the end of my trip. Or clean it out with the door open. That part of Utah is definitely awesome!
@@theoutdoorempire Beautiful country. I used to go to Yellowstone via IH-80 up through Park City (?) and head back to Lousiana through the Flaming Gourge area then to Dinosaur. All of that country is awesome.
I just bought a Skyliner in Bison and it's been set up in my backyard for a few days getting ready for a trip this weekend. It's super roomy for my 2 girls and myself. The girls are in bunkbeds so we will have a nice central seating area. I did have some trouble folding it back up, I noticed you fold yours in half and half again and roll it up. Does it fit all the way back in the sack like that? I tried-folded mine and it stuck out a ton. I then quad folded it and it's super fat like a chipotle burrito, but I had to fight it to get in the sack.
Ya, I can fit it back in the sack with lots of room to spare. It's all about the folds before you fold in half. I leave mine staked to the ground and pull the long sides inward, then the short sides, and make sure the awning and everything is laying real flat and spread out, not bunched up in the middle. Then remove stakes and fold long edges to the middle. Then fold in half one more time so it's folded in quarters and the bottom of the floor only touches itself, no floor on canvas. Roll it up, cinch it, and stick in in the bag.
@@theoutdoorempire yeah, so we went camping in the Rockies last weekend and arrived super late to a camp site and we couldn't set up a tent because we have a Kodiak and driving stakes late at night in a super quiet campground was problematic...so we unloaded the cargo and slept under the softopper with our camping mats...worked great for one night. I could go on about the softopper: access the front of the bed by opening a few snaps, stack cargo as high as the cab, fold up the back while driving and give the dogs a shady ride, remove the whole thing in about 1 minute...etc. Literally the best truck thing I've ever bought. Anyhow great channel, I've had the 10x14 Kodiak for years and love that thing...other than its weight but there's nothing better when truck camping..other than maybe the Springbar. :-).
@@kermitzforg Nice! Ya I'm definitely intrigued. Do you have the Soft Topper brand or are there multiple companies that make them? I also saw an interesting inflatable one from a company called Flared recently.
this is the second vid3eo you have made with the roof leaking from rain, for almost 2200 dollars, will this work in the rain or not. I am about to buy it, but gettinguall my hunting gear wet for 2200 dollars will not work, please be honest. I know they sent this for you for free, I am going to have to go to the bank for a loan, will it work to nor? Thanks Dale
My personal opinion is that no tent is worth taking out a loan, but that's your call. I'd try and make do with something cheaper or borrowed. We managed the rain on this trip, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't leak. Though they have apparently made a couple changes to it since. Good luck and have fun in Oklahoma. I hope you have whatever weather makes the hunt a success!
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Great test for the tent and all the other accessories. Real people using the products in real life. Thanks so much.
Love that you can cook and stay warm all at the same time in that cozy tent. Awesome!
Me too!
The tent comes with a template, the nomad large goes in the middle template hole, which is more like 2/3 the way up the stove jack if you didn't use template.
Yep, exactly. Figured that out after the fact haha. Thanks for sharing!
Springbar rocks! My Dad's is close to 40 years old and still going strong.
Hard to beat that!
Great video. The stove could use screw in adjustable legs, and the tent would be better if you could tie back the flaps with something that doesn't require a bow to secure them. So far, hat is my favorite tent.
Nice thoughts thanks!
The legend has it, it started raining again lol Great video 🤙🏽
Thanks for watching!
I've been considering this tent. Springbar now makes a storm-fly for it.. which I suspect will completely eliminate that rippling and leaking in the roof. Good video.
Agreed. I think that Storm fly will be great in bad weather and will make this tent nearly indestructible.
Nice video and review. I am going to get this tent but will get a rain fly
Good choice!
Springbar's 10x14 Stormfly is not compatible with their Skyliner. Either an aftermarket or DYI solution for a rainfly on the Skyliner. Bet, they'll get around to making one for the Skyliner eventually.
@@williamfuller2389 Springbar is working on a rainfly for the Skyliner "within the next month or so".
I think I’d charge up the robo vacuum & let it fly if I had kids/dogs with me. I really wish there was a entry screen room to add that zipped up. Could keep shoes, wet clothes/coats during rain. Use mesh to sit out & not get buggy on warm nights.
I like the vacuum idea!
There are tents u can't get from anywhere that have this feature,my nephew has one from Wal-Mart and wasn't very expensive but it's pretty big
I’ve purchased a Skyliner based on your vids, now I’m looking into a stove. Would it be possible to to position the stove sideways so that the larger window is facing you?
That's awesome I hope you love the Skyliner as much as I do! I've never tried to orient the stove as you describe. I think it could work if you just turn it 90 degrees and leave the stove pipe going out as it does. You'd likely have to fold in the stove's drying rack on one side, but I think it could be done.
Any suggestion on how to buy a canvas tent like this in Italy? Most of the brands ship only to US and Canada 😅
Looks like an awesome trip brother. Ordered the Skyliner and the large Woodsman set today. Buy once, cry once.
Your videos were a big help in my decision, really appreciate your thorough reviews.
What angle did you end up needing to correct the stakes to, and is that still an issue or has Springbar fixed it?
They have improved it with a change to the length of the crossbar on top. I'm not sure I've got the angles down to a science, but I find fair weather solves the problem. 😂
I was wondering if there is a good way to brace or guy the flue pipe so it will not fall over in high wind? If it fell over with a hot fire going it would be terrible possibly flipping stove over. The support cable will not stop it from laying over in a high wind. Have you or any other owners of this tent had this concern or a solution? I thought of maybe rigging up a couple pieces of conduit with a large hose clamp maybe.
There are some eyelets on the chimney cap where you could attach guy lines if you wished. Or you could even attach some cable below. I have been pretty impressed that even in 40mph winds that chimney stayed in place. The Winnerwell stoves aren't super lightweight so they don't move easily. But I'm sure in extreme conditions it's possible. My plan would be just to attach a little carabiner to either side of that top chimney cap and guy it out with some polycord and stakes up and down wind if possible.
I’m confused. When you’re talking about having to make the roof more taut @22:19 a pole is moving up and down from the roof in the background but what’s strange about it, it looks like it’s coming directly from the tent below….if that makes sense.
I never noticed that, you have a keen eye! I think that is actually just a droplet of water on the camera lens though. No pole up there, but it was raining pretty hard.
Yea bud looked like you had the stove jack upside down!? Like if you flipped it other way would been about 3 inches higher!??
Flipping it around may have helped on that trip, but it turned out I had the hole cut in the wrong spot altogether. I ended up getting a new stove jack and got a template that time so I wasn't guessing where to cut the hole.
With dogs and kids, Sweeping up sand is a never ending job. I like the extra canvas inner floor you placed down at the start of setting up this tent, does that come with the tent from the factory or is that something you brought. I am still concerned about potentially getting wet. I have a two week coming trip back in Oklahoma, it the first two weeks of November and it could be anything like this light rain for 3-5 days and or sleet or sunshine, you just never know, but I have seen it all over the past 40 years of camping, fishing and hunting Oklahoma. DO you know if you can spray that silicone tent dry on this canvas to keep up from leakiign and or would I have to hang a hammock type tarp above this tent to keep it dry, that takes some of the fun out of it, but nothing is worse that comoing back to camp wet from hunting all day in the rain to find your sleeping gear soaked and wet along with a wet dog who has mad a island of your clothes to lay on so he isn't getting wet from the water in the floor. I hope you can find the time to answer my question. Keep up the great videos. I am sure you are responsible for helping this company sell many of these tents. now the kicker will be the cheaper hot tent or this one.?
Thanks again, looks like a fun family camping trip.
Dale
It was a fun trip, Dale, thanks for the comment! And sorry for the late reply. But to answer your question, the canvas tarp I use did not come with the tent. But I do love it and use it all the time for all sorts of stuff, including as a floor inside the tent, or sometimes as a doormat outside the tent to keep dirt from being tracked inside as much. This one comes from a company called White Duck Outdoors. Here's an affiliate link if you want, amzn.to/497GclX. It definitely goes on every trip now. As far as the leaking potential goes, I don't think a new treatment of silicone spray will help at all with a brand new tent. The canvas is treated for that at the factory and the problem I had here was more related to the pooling of water on top which eventually seeped through the seams. Springbar reached out and told me they made a couple improvements since. I haven't had a problem since but I also haven't had persistent rain like that yet to really know. Springbar does make a Stormfly for their other tents which is a nice waterproof fly you can put over top of the tent as extra cover, but it's not sized for the Skyliner so perhaps they will release one soon. Best of luck on your upcoming trip!
Ok I didn't see any guy lines attached to the top of your stove pipe so what's gonna keep it from spinning around on the other pipes
There are some eye hooks where you can attach guy lines to this stove pipe. But I haven't needed it, even on this trip in gusts of 40mph+. It doesn't spin or anything, the pipe segments fit together very snugly. I think the bigger risk is that the whole chimney tips over in the wind, pivoting at the 45 degree angle where it exits the stove jack. But that hasn't been a problem for me either with these Winnerwell stoves.
Was it a setup error that made it leak or is that just expected from canvas tents?
Definitely not my usual experience with canvas. I think it was in part my setup and in part the new design of this tent. They've tweaked a couple things since to help mitigate the issue.
Thanks for the great video(s). Would you be able to tell me approx. how long the chimney support cable is? Looks simple enough to make my own but was hoping you could share the length so I don't have to guess at it. Please and thank you.
I don't have a tape measure on me but I just looked at it and it's about 5-5.5 ft long.
@@theoutdoorempire Thanks for taking the time to reply. It is very much appreciated.
my original estimate was about 6" off but I was able to use a small turnbuckle to make it work.
I love this tent. I hope they work out the issue with the top. I saw this same issue on another video. They do have a fly that would likely help resolve this and I like the idea of the fly anyway, protecting it from leaves, bird bombs etc. Regarding the Winnerwell large, I notice the cleanout looks to be divided with a verticle piece..is this an issue cleaning out the stove? I hope to snag one of these soon. Moab is such a neat area and town. Love the Arches National Park.
Ya it's a great tent. I've heard from Springbar a couple times since and sounds like they've made some improvements so I expect it won't be a big deal long term.
On the large Nomad that's actually not intended to be a cleanout. It's just the intake vent for airflow. To clean it out, I just open the whole door, pick it up, and dump the ash out at the end of my trip. Or clean it out with the door open.
That part of Utah is definitely awesome!
@@theoutdoorempire Beautiful country. I used to go to Yellowstone via IH-80 up through Park City (?) and head back to Lousiana through the Flaming Gourge area then to Dinosaur. All of that country is awesome.
I just bought a Skyliner in Bison and it's been set up in my backyard for a few days getting ready for a trip this weekend. It's super roomy for my 2 girls and myself. The girls are in bunkbeds so we will have a nice central seating area. I did have some trouble folding it back up, I noticed you fold yours in half and half again and roll it up. Does it fit all the way back in the sack like that? I tried-folded mine and it stuck out a ton. I then quad folded it and it's super fat like a chipotle burrito, but I had to fight it to get in the sack.
Ya, I can fit it back in the sack with lots of room to spare. It's all about the folds before you fold in half. I leave mine staked to the ground and pull the long sides inward, then the short sides, and make sure the awning and everything is laying real flat and spread out, not bunched up in the middle. Then remove stakes and fold long edges to the middle. Then fold in half one more time so it's folded in quarters and the bottom of the floor only touches itself, no floor on canvas. Roll it up, cinch it, and stick in in the bag.
@@theoutdoorempire sounds like a tutorial is on order!
I’ve got questions about your toilet placement 🤔
Don't worry, we didn't actually use it because the campsite provide outhouses. 😜
dude, you need to get a softopper....so much more space in your bed versus the tonneau...plus you can sleep in the bed of the truck if you need to
I've been really curious about those. Do you have one you like? Why?
@@theoutdoorempire yeah, so we went camping in the Rockies last weekend and arrived super late to a camp site and we couldn't set up a tent because we have a Kodiak and driving stakes late at night in a super quiet campground was problematic...so we unloaded the cargo and slept under the softopper with our camping mats...worked great for one night. I could go on about the softopper: access the front of the bed by opening a few snaps, stack cargo as high as the cab, fold up the back while driving and give the dogs a shady ride, remove the whole thing in about 1 minute...etc. Literally the best truck thing I've ever bought. Anyhow great channel, I've had the 10x14 Kodiak for years and love that thing...other than its weight but there's nothing better when truck camping..other than maybe the Springbar. :-).
@@kermitzforg Nice! Ya I'm definitely intrigued. Do you have the Soft Topper brand or are there multiple companies that make them? I also saw an interesting inflatable one from a company called Flared recently.
this is the second vid3eo you have made with the roof leaking from rain, for almost 2200 dollars, will this work in the rain or not. I am about to buy it, but gettinguall my hunting gear wet for 2200 dollars will not work, please be honest. I know they sent this for you for free, I am going to have to go to the bank for a loan, will it work to nor?
Thanks
Dale
My personal opinion is that no tent is worth taking out a loan, but that's your call. I'd try and make do with something cheaper or borrowed. We managed the rain on this trip, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't leak. Though they have apparently made a couple changes to it since. Good luck and have fun in Oklahoma. I hope you have whatever weather makes the hunt a success!