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WEDGE BUYING GUIDE WITH BOB VOKEY
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- WEDGE BUYING GUIDE WITH BOB VOKEY. Mark Crossfield golf professional spends a day with the one and only Bob Vokey talking all things wedge. From sand wedge to lob wedge and your gap wedge Bob Vokey shares he wealth of knowledge to help you make sure your buying the best wedge for your golf game. Listen to Bob talk about grinds, bounce., lofts and gapping along with lie angle and styles of play with the wedges to help you get up and down and lower your golf scores.
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That video, Is particularly for people who don’t understand why your agreement with Titleist is awesome ! So freaking interesting and enlightening. You have access to another level of knowledge and skills that no one else have. What a story ! Love it 👍🏻🏌️♂️⛳️
I think it was interesting, but there was a case of Mark leading the witness a lot. I think both Roger Cleveland and Pelz do a better job of discussing the nuances.
there is a case of doing a 45 minutes video on this, would be a lots of Vokey IP out though ;) I respect your opinion
Have been fitted/playing 2up irons for years and have played wedges that are standard lie; this has been a great combo for me, considering myself a decent wedge player - playing a 56 & 60 SM6. It was nice to hear the master, Vokey, speak of playing wedges flatter. We may pay a bit more for Titleist, but I feel that you’re getting a much better product for it. Mark, nice job in getting a legend to convey some wisdom, that the average player would never have access to...
Omg I always use my 56 as a stock club for chips and bunker play around the green! The 60 only when really needed! So cool to hear that from Bob himself!
Bob vokes. Such a cool down to earth guy. Great video Mark
What a guy! He’s a fountain of knowledge! I never knew there was so much to know about wedges! Must be a great experience to meet and get fit for clubs with him! ⛳️⛳️🏌🏼♂️🏌🏼♂️
Who Mark? We didn't hear much from Vokey himself?
Enjoyed that. Not only knowledgeable but seems like a really nice guy. Got fitted and ended up with 3 wedges, 50, 54 and 58, based on gaping. They also adjusted lie for me. Had a great time doing it and they are working beautifully. I think the psychological aspect that they were fitted for me makes me believe in them and love them and helps with the results.
What degree is your PW?
First of all, you are by far the best commentator i have come across. I loved the interview with Bob Vokey discussing the bounce and grind of wedges. I find it fascinating, and would like to see you do more VT's on the subject.
Another great video with the builder. I could listen to him and scotty talk about their crafts all day. You can really see their passion when they start talking about how and why they do what they do.
When Vokey talks wedges, one and all should always listen. Great stuff Mark, cheers.
Mark, that is easily one of the best videos I've ever seen you do. Not only the questions you asked, but the points that Voke made. Keep it up!
Before your connection with Titliest I thought wrongly that they just another marketing company but how wrong was i they are a real class act these free golf vids are just amazing !!!
Got fitted 2 weeks ago. They came in yesterday. 50F8 56S10 58M8. Fitting took an hour, very informative. Already have more confidence standing over the ball. Thanks Mark.
Two Crossfield videos in a day, what a massive treat!
Had a Vokey SM4 for years. I recently went to Calloway MD3 52, 56, 60. It's all about feel and play-ability. I have Titeliest 716 AP2 irons but like the Calloway wedges a little bit more than the Vokeys. Great video. Bob seems like a very interesting fellow for us golf geeks to geek out to. Cheers bruh!!! Knuckleball!!!!!!!
I cannot state enough how much I've learned about the game from your videos Mark!! Amazing content and always entertaining. Thanks Brah!!
Vokey is a legend. I love the conversations with the great club makers and fitters. I always learn something new.
I'm sorry to say this but I often heard you keep talking when Bob tries to answer your question... You're doing your own Q&A.
Did you go to see him to express your opinion or to hear from the master of wedges? I'm little confused....
Couldn't agree more, super annoying and I love Mark's videos. But sometimes just shut up and let them talk.
Fred Lee 100% agree. Wasn’t sure if Mark was interviewing Bob or himself. Learnt absolutely nothing about bounce and grind in this video...in fact, don’t think I learnt anything. Pity, feel like this was a wasted opportunity
I just watched this video and thought the same thing. He does it all the time to people, and it's so annoying, but with Bob Vokey?
This went both ways. Bob would speak over Mark then Mark would speak over Bob. Made it really hard to demultiplex the noise.
100% nailed it. Annoyed the heck out of me.
For Years I carried Vokey 50, 54, & 58.
Summer of 2017, I went for a "Full Bag" replacement.
718 AP2 Irons, my 9 is 42 degrees and I chose a SM6 46 F as my PW,
50-08 F asGap.
AP2 5-9, 46 & 50 with Project X LZ 5.5 Shafts at 1 degree Flat.
54-10 V Grind and 58 -06 K Grind with P X LZ 5.0 Shafts and 2 Degrees Flat.
Inside Sixty Yards I have 3 Different Bounce/Grind combinations to suit various lies against the Ball Flight/Shape I Feel is Best for the given situation.
Thanks, Mark.
Mark....great to see you discussing the short game. Keep it coming. At some point in my golf game evolution, realizing I’m never going to hit the driver as far or my irons as far and accurate as the pros but given enough practice time, I could develop my short game (pitching, chipping and putting) to a very high standard. BV 56 degree wedges have been part of my improvement as well as chucking the 60 degree wedge and replacing it with a gap wedge. Takes the pressure off my game knowing I can frequently par a hole if I don’t hit the green. I say to all your viewers....forget the driver tech and club marketing hype and spend an hour or two every week practicing all types of wedge shots and putting. Bet handicaps will drop!
Getting a sm7 fitting soon,this and the other content has been gold, thanks Mark
Mark I always watch your content but I came back to this video because I am in the market for new wedges. This is invaluable content from a trusted source. Thank you.
Great video. So cool getting to hear what his thoughts and values are about the fitting process and his wedges. Great having the access to make a video with Bob. Keep up the good work Mark
Great video. What a fantastic guy Bob is and very down to earth. I actually went with a set of 3 Cleveland RTX-3 wedges, in 50, 54, 58 for those gaps. Pitching wedge is at 46 so my short game works perfectly from 130, 115, 100 and 85 with those 4 clubs. Didn't get fit for them and I do regret that but watch copious amounts of reviews and tests, had a go of them in-store and trust the brand. Really helped my game dropping 4 shots off my handicap last year. I did drop the 3 iron to fit that 4th wedge in, a sacrifice that gave me bigger loft gaps at the top end of my bag but the wedges really do help my scoring. Highly recommend an extra wedge for those less skilled round the green like me!
Love the part about using sand wedges more!
I've never played more than 56* on the course, SM6 M grind and I can do whatever I need to do with it. I play at a Links course so I have considered getting a low bounce 60* but I haven't found it necessary. 60s are fun to hit but they aren't the necessary club to put in your bag that amateurs are starting to think.
Amazing synergy between mark and Bob., both on the same page. Two golf gurus.
Great stuff again. I literally had this exact issue before getting fitted. I had a LW at 60, a SW which was 54 and PW which was 43. Massive gaps. I got fitted and now have LW 60 SW 56 GW 50 PW 45. It made a great difference and put less stress on creating dynamic lofts and funking shots to plug the gaps.
I could listen to Bob all day! What a legend !!!
I bought a Ping putter from someone a few months ago, and he asked if there was anything in the bag i wanted to free. A load if really old clubs in there, and i seen a Slazenger TPM "Swing Weight" Sand Wedge with half a grip on it. To be respectful, i took the SW off him. Got it regripped, and the pro shop had a chuckle at it. It has almost zero bounce, but it's the best wedge i've ever used.
one of your best videos ever. My wedges are the scor wedges i have a 54 and a 58 with the vsole. I have a tendency to go more left as Vokey said so a degree flat as he recommended should really help as well as a 50 degree gap will be a definite help in my bag. thanks Mark.
I just love the BV logo with the wings. Reminds of Breitling logo somewhat.
great watches
This is why Mark went and signed with Titleist... Perfect mate
lol now he’s very confused between XXIO, Cleveland and Srixon
Never thought about fittings for wedges so this has been an interesting video. Happy to report I use my sand wedge in almost all situations (I bought a 60 degree once and my coach told me the only time it should be left at home is any time I play golf).
My wife bought me a couple of wedges for my birthday many years ago. They were Adams Signature Series Copper. I think this is when Tom Watson was working with them. The sand wedge was a 56° with 12° of bounce. The lob wedge was 60° with 6° of bounce. After playing with them a couple of rounds I realized that the sole by the heel was very pronounced and didn't allow me to open the face without digging into the turf/ground particularly on a bare lie. Having a fairly complete shop, I ground the offending metal off both wedges and then buffed them nice and smooth. I'm still playing with them after all those years(I did have the faces redone twice by a friend so cost wasn't an issue) and won't replace them unless I have to. When Bob held up the one wedge with the heel ground off I realized that it looked just like mine. Who knew! I guess I missed out on a wedge grinding career! Great vid Mark!
Wow. What a chap. Great video. The excitement from the two of you could be felt. Brilliant to watch.
Very good info! I really understand what Bob says about the sand wedge...
Back in the 80's i carried 1, 3,and 5 wood, then in irons 2 thru sand wedge.
There was no need for a gap wedge and did not understand the need of a lob wedge.
Great point bringing up the Lie angles. My initial thoughts since I am "2 up" on my irons was to get "2 up" in wedges. I actually found I am more accurate with them at stock lie angle. I have played many wedges and found that I just score lower with a 54 degree. I don't even know why. I just can play more shots with it and stop it quick or roll it out better. I recommend people play a round only using a 56 or 60 and keep track of their proximity with those on chips, pitches... You will find some surprising results and it will change the way you think about those clubs.
I never really thought about the way that I buy wedges... But know because of this video, I will definitely think more and get fitted for my next set of wedges! Thanks for the great videos! Thanks Mark!
I got fitted for my wedges and got a nice set of Edel wedges with the digger grind. Went with a 54 and 60 degree since my Mizunos came with a 50 gap wedge. Only use the 60 for short chips when I don’t want the ball to run or for 65/70 yard full shots. Definitely made me more confident with my wedges.
I’ve always bought wedges off the rack and I recently did a Vokey wedge fitting with one of his protégés and it was absolutely eye opening. Highly recommend it.
I would imagine his enthusiasm is infectious. Clearly loves his work... seems a great guy
The tip on lay angle was very valuable. Not heard that before. Great vid brah! Thanks for doing all the driving !!
Bob Vokey was born in 1939 in Canada. He was a 3-sport athlete and had a family background in machining. His father was a precision tool and die maker who liked to tinker with golf equipment. *From his bio: (Bob) lived near a golf course, and started to play competitively, eventually developing his father's passion for tinkering with golf clubs. "I played golf, but realized my talent was only going to take me so far," said Vokey. "It was a hobby that became a passion, and I just turned it into a livelihood. As much as I wanted to play the game, I realized my strength was in learning about golf clubs, re-shafting them, designing them, and making them."*
Thank you so much for asking Voke about lie. I have my wedges 1 degree flatter than my irons, and it feels good having that validated by Vokey. Sometimes I'm not sure if my ideas truly work in my favor and not against me.
I grew up with a 56 wedge from the 70’s. I can play my Vokey 56 SM6 just as well as a player with 60. I carry PW 47, 52 &56. Play of 7. Cheers
What grind is your 56?
A guy who loves what he does! Great content Mark.
Great vid and great advice. I had a Titleist wedge fitting at their St. Ives Centre last year. They were incredibly thorough, working through the gapping first then chipping and pitching from all sorts of different lies. For the time and effort involved in getting there, it's definitely worth it.
I could listen to Mr. Vokey all day, seems like a very interesting man.
It was a great day with Bob and the Titleist team at Woburn Golf Club ⛳️👍
Great comments and ideas, great wedges!
Mark, for years I played an Adams 56/60/64 degree and carried the 60 or 64 depending on course. Pitching and Sand Wedge were the ones the came with my set Initially Tommy Armour III and then Callaway Big Bertha. Then I moved to Mac Daddy wedges in 54 and 58 degree to complement my Adam's blues use the Set Pitching Wedge, I have a Wilson 64 degree wedge for certain courses I play. I have recently tested a range of wedges from all the major manufactures and found I really like the Ping Stealth wedges. The weighting of the wedge is very different. I have found a far greater difference is the feel of the swing, ground interaction and sound in the last two years than I have ever noticed before. My 54 is my 85 yard and in club, and my 58 is my sand, flop club. Both work for chipping depending on if I have to stop it quick. I am just as happy to use a putter from from off the green or an iron and roll the ball if I have the opportunity.
I know how to make my ball spin backwards, but in all honest I would just as soon it stop or release slightly under most circumstances.
Wedges are the only clubs in my bag that get changed regularly. I am still happy playing the same driver I have used the last five years, and I picked up my Adams in 2016 replacing my 2004 Big Bertha''s, but the wedges wear more and give that I play a lot of executive and par 3 course (about twice a week) the wedge means more. Fortunately besides the big box stores that fit using indoor bays, most the manufactures except PXG tour local course and do demo days. (The beauty of living in Southern California).
I personally feel loft and spin are overrated metrics.There is another of your fellow coaches who fixates on loft. I am much more interested in flight, distance and how the ball reacts on hitting the ground. I want my hybrids and irons to react to the type of stroke I play, either stopping close to point of impact, or running.
I do think it's interesting to watch the major manufactures focus on wedges, and bring to market new wedges. Ultimately you have to try them much like balls. Every wedge says easy to hit, loads of spin. All golf balls promise long distance, soft feel. Ultimately you have to lay down some cash and test for yourself. The beauty of eBay is if you make a mistake you can cut your loses by selling the club unless you have your name stamped on it.
I played Vokey wedges in 2015. 52°,57°, 62° with 56 bent 57° and 1 3/4 flat . I liked playing 4 wedges ,but always having to practice between 62 &57. 2016 I bought new Mizuno MP5 irons and liked the Blue S5 wedges, especially the soft feel. I also liked Coaches setup with 3 wedges, so I went 52° & 58° and it gave me a extra club higher up so I got to add a 2 iron. The lie angle is also 1 3/4° flat . I try and get fresh wedges every 2 years because I like my spin numbers to be between 2,000 and 12,000 rpm 😂
Awesome video Mark. I've recently moved over to Titleist AP2 Irons and an old 56Deg Vokey Wedge. This is invaluable information as I'm just at the stage of a wedge fitting.
You really need to let your interviewee finish speaking, especially when it's Bob Vokey.
What a nice bloke, very intelligent and does his brand wonders! Respect bob 👌🏽
Another great film Mark. I've just been fitted for Vokey wedges myself.
I think one of the biggest issues we face is terminology, even in the film you said 'lob wedge' and 'gap wedge', what does that mean when we're now buying either 50s, 52s, 58s etc... and then Bob throughs in a sand wedge... ahhhhhh just talk in loft... thats gotta make things a little more simple right !
Keep up the great work.
Richard Knight 50-52° gap, 54-56° sand 58°+ lob is pretty standard. But if iron lofts keep getting strong this could well change 😬
I’ve had my irons loft and lie done today. My pro fitted me for 1 degree flatter on my wedge. Nice gapping and custom fitted. Get it done once a year due to swing changes after lessons
I picked my wedges buy best guess of playing conditions and my abilities. I play an SM7 52* which actually play about 6 degrees weaker than my AP1 48* and went with a 58* wedge for odd rescue type situation and bunker play. Both are one degree flat to match my irons. This set up has worked well so far early in the year.
Great video! I was lucky enough to go through a Vokey wedge fitting (via my club), and though it was indoors in the middle of winter on a launch monitor, it was massively beneficial. Gapping was 90% of why I went through the fitting, and the rest was reaffirming that what I wanted and liked (as far as grind/bounce/shaft) was beneficial to my game.
Always use Titleist wedges and living in Pinehurst where the ground is all sand based, switch them out every 18 months or so. Love the comment on flatter lie. Always do best when I lower the handle on sand shots and fatter has to be better.
Always just relied on my PW and SW in the past. Just bought new irons and the PW is 44 degrees so definitely now need to look at a wedge to use close in as the new PW is making me over shoot a lot. Great Vlog!
Wow, Mark again your partnership with Titlelist has really produced some top videos. Thank you for producing these, you wont find this on T.V
Picked my wedges for bounce and distance . I play a parkland course that's got firm short grass fairways got 58 and 50 with 8 bounce and 54 with 10 bounce we have heavy dense sand so don't want to much bounce on my 54
Good to hear from a golf legend. Having vokey in the video wasn't bad either.
Great content once again. My PW is 45 degrees and I jump to a 54 wedge (my "go to" club for all shots close to the green) with a versatile grind. I've toyed around with a 50 degree gap wedge for those in between distances (60-90 meters) but I struggle with strike particularly on fuller shots with the gap wedge. I find the market doesn't offer enough cavity backed wedge options to match my cavity back pitching wedge and iron set. I don't have a problem with playing my bladed 54 degree wedge around the greens and pitching up to 50 meters but anything beyond that distance with a bladed wedge yields inconstant strikes ie fat shots that fall short and thin shots that motor past the green. I would much rather play shorter softer controlled shots that run onto the green with a cavity backed PW and not have too much distance dispersion upon low quality strikes. I think correct gapping is important however many recreational golfers play cavity backed iron sets and don't have the skill set or time to practice with bladed wedges so I think there is definitely room in the market for more forgiving wedge options to blend with cavity backed iron sets.
I think your skill set plays a big part in your wedge choices.I carry a 60 and use it fairly regularly but I'm not that skilled a player and whilst I'm practicing and trying to learn how to open a face up for now I'm more comfortable hitting a 60 than trying to open up my 54
Buy my wedges purely on distance and feel, totally agree that spin isn’t overly important as that’s more down to conditions
Only trouble with getting fit for wedges, unless you can get out on the course with them, getting properly fit can be difficult
Great vids bruh, carry on 👍
Great insight again what a lot of things to consider double thumbs up mate
Great video mark learning so much through your videos keep them coming bruh
Just ordered some Mizuno wedges to match my newly purchased irons. Going this week to check the lie and gapping of all the new clubs one last time before getting too deep into the season. Interestingly enough my fitter mentioned that some clubs lie may need to be adjusted differently than others. I'll be interested to see what he wants to do with my wedges. Great stuff!!!!!
Not gonna get a better person to ask about wedges than Bob!
Titliest are a really exclusive brand but i can see why when they have guys like Bob and Scotty engineering equipment too such a great spec. great video Mark.
Great Vlog, loads of information. I will have to get my son to watch this he is hooked on needing a 64° lob wedge, and I like to tell him he just needs to learn how to play quarter and half wedge shots better, and to optimise the use of his 56 and 60 better.
so good to hear Bob's opinion about lie angles on wedges, I have my (#Titleist) irons 1-degree up because of my full swing mechanics but have always had my wedges at standard...not because I was told to but because I manipulate my hands a lot when chipping and it gives me confidence that I can flatten out the swing if I need. Love these vids, great work Mark!
Great vid, thanks Mark! This makes me appreciate my local pro even more.
With my wedges I get fit on course with my local pro, who says all the same things Voke does.
Amazing, truly amazing!! This guy is a living legend in the industry. To be able to shoot this kind of video is simply off the planet!! Well done Mark!!
Would be very very interested in a undertaking a wedge fitting, however doubt will be able to get to this level of service, trying shots from various lies etc. Wish.................a trip to Titleistland................. wish...........
Wow, this video has me thinking about my current wedge setup, especially my 54 Vokehy sand
I loved this was great to hear from BV I will be honest I’ve not got fit for my wedges. Also loved how he used different lies hope some PGA pros watch this and learn from it. Cheers Bruh
I’d love to hear Bob Vokey and Roger Cleveland talk about wedges together
2 of my heros.
Fantastic video and wonderful insight from both yourself and Bob. And how lucky were those two golfers getting fit? Seeing Bob and Mark in the same space. Amazing stuff as always.
I have definitely found this to be true, I use a 54 for 90+ % of short game shots and a 58 only when absolutely necessary like being short sided from a bunker or rough.
Great video! Love the Gretsch in the background on the wall too!
Hey Mark, I would love to see a video on lie and the effects of presenting different lie. Seems like you and Bob were touching on some interesting points.
Listening to Bob i’m switching from a 6o degree wedge to 56 around the green.
Legend - could listen all day.
Hey Mark! I got the Mack Daddy 4 Chrome wedge 56 degrees for the bunker shots with 10 bounce. SM7 in 52 degrees with 8 bounce. I'm a netural divot player. Got custom fitted and those clubs work best for my game.
Mark, been playing the game for 30 years. I’m lost with both Bounce and tech. It’s all bout feel- Seve never bothered bout bounce!
I love my 56 degree and it is definitely my go to for pitching or most bunker shots. I only use my 60 degree if I need to get the ball up a bit faster
What grind 56 do u use ?
Excellent video , I due to attend an event hopefully I will get to try the wedges in different circumstances.
Making me want some Titleist clubs... Seeing the the way they go about everything fitting etc. Well I'm very impressed. 👍
Allan Butler see the guy in the background doing a lot of the work. His name is Will Harvey
Really nice guy. Very honest.
Clearly knows his stuff and has some lovely stories to tell for his time with the legends of the game.
Thanks for sharing.
Quality video I have black dot standard length in my ping iblades but have red dot and quarter inch shorter in my glide wedges
What a cool interview and what a cool guy.
Simply awesome. Thank you!! Seems like a cool cat. Cheers.
Woburn?
All on feel for me. When the SM1s came out they were very spinny. Now I'm in 58, 53, 48 in the SM5 😎
Fantastic session withBob Vokey!! I particularly liked the discussion around flatter lies for the wedges and the reasons for that! Thanks again! Bye the bye, did you move into a new house? Your home looks awesome!! Have a great week!
Great vid Mark :-D I have bought my last 2 wedges based on my experience of having had a high bounce SW and a mid bounce GW and felt there was great versatility with the mid. Ended up buying and 52 and 58 both with 8deg bounce which was a change to my 3 wedge set up before. Really like the 58 rather than the 56 and 60 :-D
Brilliant! Than you for sharing and thanks to Bob Vokey for taking the time. I don’t think, in my lifetime I will be able to pick Mr. Vokey’s brain for 10 minutes... this was the next best thing! Cheers
I haven't carried a 60 Wedge for years. I would use it only a few times a year. Instead because of the strong lofts on my Taylor Made clubs I replaced my "A" Wedge with a 48° to narrow the scoring club gap. Then I have a 52 and 56.
@markcrossfield. Mark, I generally love your videos. You're knowledge and insight have definitely improved my game. Your videos are also funny with the way you interact with your guest and the viewers. Unfortunately, this video was kind of hard for me to watch. I felt that you kept trying to talk over your guest Bob Vokey and vice versa. Besides that, thank you for continuing to put out high quality videos for viewers who can't get enough of your content. Thanks