I've been debating whether to buy a Kronos or Nautilus and I've exhaustively gone over the specifications of Kronos and Nautilus. Here is how it looks from my perspective. I don't know the intangibles that help comparison such as any differences in long term maintenance costs, expected longevity of support from Korg if Kronos discontinued, performance & overall ease of use, software and hardware component quality, whether Kronos Karma or Nautilus Arpeggiator is best choice,, etc. Bottom line - - - Is Kronos worth approximately $700 more (or $1,200 if sale ends)? What is the SAME or Extremely Similar: - 9 Sound Engines, Oscillator Control & Maximum Polyphony (though the SGX2 piano type and sounds slightly different between the two) - PCM Ram capacity - Combination Timbres - Quick Layer / Split feature - Set Lists - Sampling - Effects - Sequencer Capability - Keyboard action and size options What's DIFFERENT: - Only Kronos has Aftertouch - Kronos has more physical slider controls, knobs, buttons, etc, on panel - Kronos has KARMA with 96 preloaded Generated Effects whereas Nautilus has an Arpeggiator with 1,593 Preloaded Patterns **[Note/edit: The Nautilus Arpeggiator allows highly customizable arpeggio patterns - whereas - that more difficult or perhaps not possible via Karma on the Kronos.] - Kronos with Karma has 8 Scenes versus 4 Scenes on the Nautilus Arpeggiator - Kronos has 718 preset Drum Patterns versus 1,272 on Nautilus - Kronos has 1,792 preloaded Programs of which 896 are HD-1 & 512 preloaded Combinations ... versus Nautilus which has 1,920 preloaded Programs 1,280 of which are HD-1 & 256 preloaded Combinations (both have 2,560 slots for Programs and 1,792 slots for Combinations) - Kronos has 314 MB of Preset PCM versus 498 MB on Nautilus (though Kronos has greater quantity of multisamples and drum samples) - Kronos has 198 preloaded Wave Sequences vs 377 preloaded on Nautilus (both have a 598 capacity) - The available Built In Expansion Libraries differ - Kronos has 8" display at higher resolution than the 7" display on Nautilus - Nautilus 3 lbs lighter
You missed one CRUCIAL aspect that justifies why the NAUTILUS is so special: USER Arps. Those astounding 1593 arps are FULLY PROGRAMMABLE. In KARMA, there's ZERO user pattern capability and instead of just being about to hit record and create a pattern, like you can on the NAUTILUS, you have to move a bunch of controls, to get close to what you want and even THEN it's not exactly what you want because it's all PRE-generated.
@@michaelaurelius8507 yes that appears to be a limitation ... though could spend $169 for the full external KARMA software ... but that's another step and expense. From what I can gather browsing videos on the subject you CAN get pretty close to completely created user patterns via Kronos alone. Perhaps via sequencer you could achieve this and/or by assigning different programs to drum patterns? Certainly a consideration. I personally was wowed by Karma so ultimately ended up buying a Kronos instead of Nautilus ... but it was not a slam dunk easy decision. Thanks for the information.
@@michaelaurelius8507 ... you appear to be correct Michael. In another forum I see where a Korg R&D manager admitted lack of customizable Arpeggiator feature in Kronos. Though you can probably find a Karma GE Arpeggiator pattern or the up down pattern that fits your needs, a specific user created option isn't there. My thinking was you create arpeggio type patterns and loop them in Sequencer but that not the same really. Not really with triggers on n off at ease and simply customizable like in Nautilus. I'm still learning the features ... just thinking out loud. Haven't received my Kronos yet so have been reading Operation Guide, etc. " .... The original poster asked about a "good old-fashioned arpeggiator" and a "basic arpeggiator," so that's what I was thinking of. I appreciate the desire for more onboard editing for arpeggiation patterns, as well, but I'm afraid that's not in the cards for now. Best regards, Dan _________________ Dan Phillips Manager of Product Development, Korg R&D Personal website: www.danphillips.com For technical support, please contact your Korg Distributor: www.korg.co.jp/English/Distributors/ ..."
@@michaelaurelius8507 ... here's where someone explains using Wave Sequencing to create custom arpeggios. Not really a quick functioning arpeggiator per se but helpful. th-cam.com/video/RgEByCYvdDI/w-d-xo.html
Not only that. Looks like they're using the same atom chipset back from 2011, 2gb ram and all good thing developed 10 years ago. My 100$ chinese tablet has more power then this 2500$ workstation. which can explain the lag mention in the review. It's just yet another try to milk customers with old gear in new cases. The only thing korg really made an effort in is the new theme which I can only hope kronos users will get as an update if korg will be kind enough to bother.
They never got rid of them on keyboards. Supposedly, they say that resistive touch screens are better for pinpoint accuracy compared to capacitive for on stage applications. I don't know if I buy that; I think they are just cheaper to produce.
Thanks for the video. Part of the reason I liked the KARMA function is that it is helpful for creating beautiful spacious pads. But, of coarse, it is complicated. I probably understand about 50% of it. So what do you guys think>? Will the lack of KARMA make it more difficult to create beautiful PADS?
You are the “Users Manual” brought to life but with a fun entertaining and world class edge. I purchased a Yamaha MODX after watching your review. Thank you so much LoopPop!
wobbly plastic knobs/pots, a resistive touch screen and laggy interface are dealbreakers at >2k. When I spend that much on an instrument I expect nothing less than premium build quality.
Nothing wobbly, touch screen does its thing. No issues at all since one year. It's actually more fun to use than a Modx or Montage. And the Nautilus sounds fantastic!
I have owned an 88-key Kronos 2 for 3 years where it’s remained the centerpiece of my studio. Aftertouch I’ve really only used while plugging lighter action external keybeds into it (MIDI/USB) due to the heavy piano hammer action. Karma is something I’ve lightly tapped into but enjoy having as a weighty option. Amazing sounds, however I feel the biggest limitation of both is still using the 32-bit architecture and it’s 4GB memory ceiling.
Thank you for the comparison. You asked for feedback on Karma from Kronos users. I use Karma very sparingly, and I generally dislike it. It’s nice to see that Korg has moved to what seems to be a much more usable arpeggiation tool.
Can you also program fixed notes sequences with the arp editor? I mean play a notes sequence with just one key which then is transposed over the keyboard? If so how this be done? Thanks.
"All the keyboards are velocity sensitive but don't have aftertouch". Loopop, your reviews are the best and most thorough out there but this is one video I can't bring myself to watch. Korg let us all down badly on this one IMHO.
No aftertouch on a $2,000 keyboard? I can understand the loss of the controller section. And ALMOST the loss of Karma. But this trend from keyboard manufacturers to remove aftertouch from all but their top of the line synths? Is it really that expensive to implement? Am I the only one who finds aftertouch extremely useful? I sold my Kronos and was thinking of getting back into the "Kronos" fold, but I'll have to pass on the Nautilus. Regardless of how I feel, your review, as always, was very helpful and insightful. Thanks for always doing such a great job!
Wow..., that’s pretty expensive for a budget version. There is no excuse in 2020 for a keyboard in that price range to not have aftertouch. I don’t understand why aftertouch is still being treated like it’s a “gold feature” in keyboards today. That technology has been around for a long time now.
A great comparison. I have a Kronos 2 61, and like fellow commentators think that the omission of Karma would be a problem. It's one of the major features of Kronos (and Oasys before it) and once you get to know it, it soon becomes indispensable. The larger touchscreen on Kronos helps, particularly if like me, your fingers resemble bunches of bananas!
Someone help me understand why we would want to send only two channels over USB? I see this as a perfect keyboard for Mainstage because there are 4 assignable outs, but it sounds like those 4 assignable outputs aren't exposed to your computer (which would make it even more compelling IMO).
I think it's nice if you have a use case for a Kronos but want to spend less. Maybe some Musical Directors? For me, I'm still extremely happy with my MODX6 and for $700 less than a Nautilus 61 I'd still buy it again specially because of the MODX's amazing audio interface.
does this keyboard include the "legendary" programs that come with the Kronos? I mean those sounds that replicate the instruments of some classic pop songs (Imagine, Supertramp, Journey, Beatles, etc)?
I had the Krome EX, Kronos 2 61, and now I have the Nautilus 61. Kronos is much more complicated. Karma has many variants, but you need to know how to use it, as a result, it is a difficult piece of equipment to use. I think the Nautilus sounds more accessible and more pleasant to listen to. Playing this instrument is pure satisfaction. Kronos has a more severe character. It looks as if Korg engineers have given the Kronos an easier & nicer version. The keyboard is probably the same, but in Nautilus it feels a bit deeper. Between Kronos and Nautilus I had Krome EX, so maybe that's why I feel in Nautilus. To sum up, Korg Nautilus is the best equipment I've ever dealt with. Affordable price, something beautiful.
How can I switch off USB audio loopback on the Nautilus? USB in is sent to USB out, when I want to monitor on Nautilus headphones. Use case: click/playback from DAW for overdubbing. Problem: Nautilus routes click to output and it gets recorded along with what I play.
I have a krome 73 (mk1) and this looks everything that i'd hoped the krome would be!...similar but more depth, usefull features and ease of use in every aspect! Im just wondering what the keybed is like? The krome was slated Nd is cheap feeling but ive got used to it, bar the noisy keys.
@neilmason9667 The Nautilus 88 RH3 is ok. Better than Yamaha GHS (MODX, DGX670). Yamaha GH/BH (Montage) and Kawai RH3 (MP7SE) are better, though. Boot time of two and a half minutes can also be annoying at times. Montage is maybe 20 seconds.
I just don't get Korg, what is their Obsession with scaled down Kronos's, KROSS KROME KROME EX KRONOS LS i3 And now Nautilus Don't even care what they call it Kronos 3, Kronos the Sequel, Kronos Unleashed. Can We just have it before the turn of the Century.
Well said! It seems two strategical teams at Korg. One for flagships and workstations where they seem lost in what to do to take the Yamaha, Nord and Roland train. And a second one for synths Volca, Log serie , Wavestate, OPSIX bringing something new to the world
@@jehwoh yes i have all the Arturia suite. DX7 plug in is really nice, much easier to program than the real DX7. But now I stopped using, cause MODX is much greater and easier to sound design
I have had the Kronos since it came out in 2011. JMO, this is not the same machine without KARMA and all the controls. I almost never use the touch screen on the Kronos and would find Nautalis unusable for this reason, and the lack of KARMA, that offers so much more than just ARPs. JMO, but this makes the Kronos an even better deal.
Is it not weird for an expensive synth in 2020 to not have aftertouch? It's definitely weird for anything to have a resistive touch screen in the last 10 years 🤦♂️🤦♀️
Who exactly do you think is buying flagship synths? toddlers? Bedroom beginners? We know what AT is because we are industry professionals who do the job as a career. We know precisely what it does, what boards are best for it and whether or not we need it - or an artist we work with does. Korg are known for their synth specialization. Rather than Piano or Organ like team red, or Yamaha. Thus; people expecting it from korg is not surprising. That they released a limited amount of Prologues with it. And made sure that the current little 3 octave toys and be used with it - should reinforce the point. Again, this is our career focus. Don't generalize with people you don't know.
As you pointed out, the Kronos is 7 years old already. I was hoping for a better Kronos; not a cheaper but unimproved version. The improved samples, especially for piano, are nice, but, otherwise, it seems like a step backwards from an already old instrument. I would also say that the Kronos faders can be used as drawbars, which is definitely something that an organ player would miss.
Hi not sure if it was mentioned before in 16:00 you can see a drag access button in the lower right corner, which seems to allow to pull drawbars groupwise with a motion of your finger over the screen. Can you confirm this? Is this a new feature compared to the Kronos ? Greetings Frank
As a Kronos 2 88 owner, I am quite happy to see this. :D They repeated their own mistakes, like sticking to the outdated sequencer all Korg workstations suffered of since M1 times. They also adopted proven mistakes from others, like Yamaha made with their DX7 - heavily compromized accessibility and usability due to the lack of physical controls. In short, it's a Kronos with too less controls, undersized screen and memory, and no Karma, bearing all the shortcomings of it's larger brother with added drawbacks. If it was a 1000 $ instrument - okay. But it isn't. So I feel very happy with my Kronos 2 88, wouldn't even buy this one if it came for 1500 bucks and three bikini models included. I guess Kronos doesn't need that new UI - it's just for compensating the dismemberment caused by the lack of physical controls. Answers: Use Karma:? Never programmed anything (too complicated) - but often like to use it for playing along for my own enjoyment. Never use it for recordings. Use the hardware controls?: Yes. Karma buttons, sliders, numerical keypad. They removed the keypad? Sequencer?: Used it quite heavily with the 01/w fd, created full songs with a multiple devices setup (01/w, JX-3P, Poly 800, DX7, Vocalist II). Back in time. There were times people from Europe travelled to the heart of India on the back of elephants, arrived after several years, if at all. Nowadays, they'll take a plane and safely arrive within a few hours. Same with sequencers. Thus I switched to Cubase, Reaper - and never looked back. Why should I? Sorry and happy to say: Korg went the wrong way. Stepping back doesn't get you forward. And lack of physical controls kills creativity, stops the temptation of creating your own sounds, reduces a workstation to a preset player.
@@rickvestuto - Ah, that's not my kind of device; I am one of that fossils used to playing white and black keys. :) So I am quite fine with using a software DAW for recording and sequencing. But thank you for that glance at the Akai front. :)
This is Korg's tradition. Move former engines to a midrange tier - whilst they develop the actual flagship successor. Which this isn't. That will undoubtedly come later; because of the global shortage of parts. Which is why Kronos itself, PA and Prologue are all discontinued and why other pieces of hardware are now offered as VSTs. Nautilus is a good tide over for those who didn't already have a Kronos with a new coat of paint. The replacement of Karma likely because it was deep and difficult for the more casual keyboardist. I wouldn't part with it either - but then I am a long term Korg user. Not someone they need to worry overly about. Kronos remains the king until the new flagship arrives. We'll see whats announced at the delayed NAMM in a few months time. Fantom and Modx are great value for what they offer. Both have pro's and cons. However Korg users tend to prefer the brand because of its net total character. I'd rather still use my Triton than a Roland Fantom-0 and would buy one now rather than it. But thats not to say I dislike Roland at all. I have a Jupiter X downstairs afterall. Be very clear about what and why you buy. Very few instruments are obsolete. I set up a professional stage a while ago for an artist - and they had a Triton and a old Yamaha SY. Along with a much more modern montage. Don't be afraid to like what you like. You'll enjoy music more that way.
Lack of physical faders would be a problem for me in Combi mode in a live gig situation. Shame 73 key version isn’t weighted like Kronos version is. Good to see simpler arppegiator as I do find karma very complicated
Are the 61-key keyboards the same on Nautilus and Kronos? My main concern otherwise is the touch display. It should have been capacitive. This will screw up programming and performances. I still want it though (or Kronos) :).
This Keyboard looks to be a beast for sure. Nautilus does seem to be a very Apt name though, as it looks like you're going to have to do some very deep 'Menu Diving' to get to where you want to be. This coupled with a smaller screen must surely make for some frustration, and cursing.. Great detailed upload!
Is having an internal Hard Drive kind of counter productive? The only reason I ask is that with my Triton classic I lost all my data when the external HD failed. I now have a SCSI2SD drive on the SCSI port so I can easily transfer data for backing up. Would it not have been easier to have something similar for the NAUTILUS?
For that price... HOW can they get away with it? I know its MSRP and will probably drop but I get so much more out of my MODX7 and got it open box for $1199. Best synth/workstation I've ever used (so far). I wouldn't mind one of the new Fantoms someday, but they are also expensive.
I was saving up for a MODX, and I never thought I would see Korg playing the MODX card. It is a very interesting time to be buying synths. I wonder if Roland will do the same. This is now such an interesting category since the Yamaha MODX doesn't have a virtual analogue engine. EDIT: After seeing the price, I don't know if Korg is trying to be in the midrange market or creating an alternative option for Kronos owners.
This one doesn't have an analog engine, it's all digital... It's a VA (virtual analog). I'm a MODX6 owner and I'd buy the MODX again. One of the biggest advantages is how the audio interface works.
True, but you'd be surprised how 'analogue' both AWM2 and FMX engines on the MODX can sound, especially with some of the third party libraries out there.
@@gautrstafr Mistake on my part, early hours here, you're right I meant to say VA. The audio interface on the Nautilus is a little bit bizarre. It has 4 outs, and yet 2 USB channels, IMO this would be a perfect option for Mainstage users because of the potentially assignable outs.
You're absolutely in the right. Yamaha seems the only historical one -with Behringer and now ASM and Modal- to understand the market. Price wise but also the quality of the interface and the care how they build the workflow. Discussing with part of Yamaha team, I am not surprised as I am convinced their culture of listening customers experience is so anchored at the firm. At the Nautilus price level, by far more expensive than the MODX, and staying in the workstation segment, Roland Fantom appears to me very attractive.
@@AynsleyGreen Yes! Have one MODX and it is pleasure all days long, never shorted in creativity with it. When you are not professional MODX choice seems obvious @ that budget as a workstation AND a fantastic FM synth. Are you talking about Easysounds ? Which have you and would recommend?
Um well.. I didn't do a double take.. I spent 15 minutes on google trying to find the monitor or some hack before I saw these comments... dum dum dum dum dum
Is AT really that importan, most of comments talking about that also, as now Korg is offering that and is it point to get Nautilus AT, instead of just Nautilus?
Did Korg peak 15 years ago when they released the OASYS? My 76 key version has HD-1, EXs-2 (pianos), AL-1, CX-3, STR-1, LAC-1 (PolySix & MS-20), MOD-7 plus KARMA and aftertouch... Putting it in a different case and changing its name every few years seems to be all they've done since.
Honestly, Georgina, who cares? NO ONE has been able to even remotely touch the OASYS, KRONOS, and now NAUTILUS in ANY product released in the last 15 years, in ANY capacity whatsoever. The mere fact that KRONOS EXCEEDS my beloved OASYS of the last 12-13 YEARS with 2 Synth Engines, DAW Integration, and a LOT of new features and sounds that I can't get on my OASYS speaks volumes of what Korg has accomplished. I do agree that 2005 was their peak and everything since then has been repackaged with 6 different KRONOS variations since 2011, and the outstanding HD-1 engine trickling down to the KROME and SV-2 as EDS-X, and now ALL 9 synth engines coming to an insane price point with the NAUTILUS, without the control surface and a simpler front panel, but again, WHO CARES? I honestly wish they had come out with the NAUTILUS A LOT sooner, because KARMA is a royal pain in the ass to use and the mere fact that you have to use a computer JUST to edit and create patterns is ridiculous! Using a DAW is one thing and I LOVE Logic. But given that 90% of the time I'm using my keyboards and actually sequencing on them stand alone and I can't create patterns on a synth that has a sound and feature set I have never seen in ANY other product prior to the OASYS is quite infuriating. NAUTILUS truly is a dream come true for me and I LOVE how much they have updated the interface.
There isn't anything wrong with the engines. There is nothing new under the sun. Just better UI and approach. The little Korg boards are them messing with advancement. Trialing new blends with FM. Waves and on. These workstations on the other hand are bread and butter Korgs. A much smaller company than the others. The Nautilus is a tide over, while the world is uncertain. You'll get a new flagship when its possible to even deliver one. Hence many other flagship ranges have recently been discontinued and they are on with the VST (no physical components required). There certainly has been some complacency over the years due to the overall lack of demand and advancement. But things age. The engines will be given new life and UI no doubt. All in good time. They like to let the other brands tip their hands to the market first. Since NAMM is put back until summer, wait for that.
Hi, It has a Korg Krome dising, I did not like that they removed the faders, in mya case I use them a lot for the combination of live tones. The option I see is tu use a pedal, but I feel taht it would be very complicated and uncomfortable, one rule, you pay attention to what you interpret or yuo look at the screen to select the correct option without your finger moving to the wrong place. Presonally, I Stay with KRONOS, I will wait for the next model after the Nautilus
I owned a Kronos 73 and it was almost perfect for me. But at 24Kg I could not take it at every rehearsal and gig anymore, the RH3 keyboard is nice but a bit inconvenient for organ/synth parts. So I think this might actually be a very good solution for somebody like me, but Korg has to work on the positioning. If they make it cost more or less like a MODX7 then we have a discussion here.
Hello, I'm just starting with the Korg company (previously Roland Fantom G and Yamaha Tyros 3,4). Currently, I have the Korg PA5X, which, for me, is intuitive-I managed it without using the manual. I'm considering purchasing the Nautilus. The question is, can you record vocals directly onto audio tracks using a microphone on the Nautilus, then combine it with a MIDI track, save it, and play back the complete recorded song (the whole song)?
I have a headache just for seeing this video. And I had a Korg M50 a years ago. I see it's the same mindset to tame here, a little more complex. Thanks for the detail on the Review.
2 ARPs and a drum track...this started like 15 yrs back with the M50. And now ladies and gentle man, KORG presents......oh almost the same concept. Anyone who can manage create a professional sounding user ARP pattern using this keyboard should be nominated for the OSCARs.
The Triton had this back in the day plus an extremely nice Yamaha keyboard with aftertouch and built like a tank - it does seem like one step forward two steps back with modern workstations, and for this price it’s ridiculous. Maybe there just isn’t the market there used to be?
I'm still playing my M50-88. I use it with Cakewalk, Kontakt 7, Komplete 14 standard. It's really way more than I'll ever need. But I'm getting an inch to upgrade my keyboard and I'm totally confused on which way to go. I'm not into creating my own sounds, but I do want one with the arp/drum track. This nautilus is over kill for me but I still like it. Been looking at the Studiologic keyboards. I could use someone like the OP to help me wade through the choices.
@@abc456f if you feel the nautilus is overkill, then stay with the m50, these are basically the same. there is not much difference between krome and the m50, other than polyphony (64 in m50 vs 120 in krome) if this doesn't affect your workflow then don't upgrade. unless you're planning to get the kronos
I own Motif XF and thinking about getting Fantom or Ntalus or MontageM. I use the XF Pattern Sequencer mode the most. Does Natalia engines have Realtime sequencer mode to play phases on keys?
Quick question.. your external monitor showing the Nautilus display. I have a Kronos 88, is that monitor just connected to the USB port in the back of the Nautilus? Would that arrangement also work on the Kronos?
@@loopop ok thanks. Looked like a real attachment! Great video. I have the Korg M3 getting its touch screen repaired because some tabs or areas where not responsive so I was just curious whats new.
Great review 👏 How did u mirror the screen? Water down kronos or a polished Krome.... no Karma, smaller screen.. hmm I'll stick with my Kronos 2. But I do like the "dark mode " interface!
@@loopop I just purchased this 2 days ago...hoping it wasn't a mistake but I have 2 weeks to decide. My main goal will be sequencing work for live shows. May I ask how you hooked up your larger internal screen. ENJOYING what I've heard so far from your review!
@@botronicmusic thanks! The external screen isn’t real unfortunately - it’s an overlay of an overhead camera. So, if you want something like it, technically you can point an overhead camera onto the screen, and then connect it to a monitor
@@loopop Ok, that makes since. One last question. Do you have a special section for sequencing 101 or adding import sequences from another keyboard. I'm still playing an Ensoniq ASR-10 believe or not. Floppy & all, but was told I can dump those on to this board...And btw...i'm only 15 mins or less into your overview.
So much to like, but than again: a resistive touchscreen in 2020? (At least it's touch.) I'm more curious about the quality of the keybed. I've read plenty of reviews that burns the keybed on the MODX down, so I'm somewhat hesitant to even consider a trimmed down instrument. But one can really tell after a decent amount of usage how the keybed is holding up. So, for now, like the MODX, I stay away from this one.
"I have no idea whats going on here" . 24 mins. How many Kronos users have said that? Great vid as usual. Quite helpful to me as a longtime Kronos misuser.
If it was a rackmount Kronos I might be interested.. as it is why wouldn't I just get a used Kronos if I cared about the 30%? Price differential more like Montage to MODX may have made more sense, too
Hello there , your videos are of great value and i thank you for this , please if u or someone who konows can answer my question i will be very gratefull when , in sequencer mode we use the COPY FROM COMBI function do the programs in the Combi get transfered to the sequencer to the same midi chanel they were allocated to in the Combi or we have to rearrange them in the sequencer ( ex drums 10 bass 2 etc ... ,and if so how todo this thank u for any helpful answer
Hoping the new features get into kronos with an update, but karma is way more well... more, and the added sliders are very usefull for realtime use. Oh, and no aftertouch? That's a no deal for me...
Genuinely don't mind a resistive touchscreen. I live in an area that's horribly humid most of the time and my hands sweat terribly. Capacitive touchscreens are not my friend.
Hello Sir, I am looking for a KRONOS but I am curious about when they will release a new version? In KORG's case, it may take a while and probably they come up with a whole new thing. Buying the KORG OASYS would be a "Joker" possibility. The foldable screen is very helpful especially for myopic people like I am. Is there a possibility of connecting an external screen to KRONOS? What's your opinion? Thanks for your highly skilled work! SUPER!
More impressed with your walk through than the actual product. If Kronos was Korg’s legs they would certainly be running a marathon. I’m good with it because at least there is no gas to contend with. I can stay focused on more innovative products.
Nope, definitely meant phase modulation. Actually, what you know as FM in most digital synths (DX-7, Digitone, etc) is phase modulation, and it certainly is in this one. The two are programmable in exactly the same way, they're just different in the way modulator affects the carrier.
@@loopop - Well, as someone that was alive and programming Casio CZ synths, I have always see them as 2 forms of similar synthesis because the harmonic results and control of those harmonics are very different. I stand corrected. :D Nice review my friend. It's been a pleasure to work on Korg's Sound Development team, making patches for these instruments since 1988. I'll still consider MOD7 Frequency Modulation even if it is technically not correct - just to keep my brain from exploding.
I just got a nautilus and i love it besides the linear sequencer so I am using my Squarp and recording all my patterns into it. I’m just having an issue with every time I start the sequencer from the Squarp it will always go to measure 1 no matter what I do. Manual punch in, auto punch in, looping from the measures I set. Doesn’t matter always goes back to measure 1. Is this an issue in my pyramid settings or my nautilus settings? Does anyone know?
It just dawned on me that Korg may have decided to alter the Montage to MODX model by introducing a light version of the Kronos then release a complete ground up replacement for the Kronos. Hmmmmm?
Hi! Thank for this introductive video! I am a MODX user and would shortly comment a comparison to. 1/ screen: It seemed that you got difficulties in ticking on the screen, not the case with MODX. 2/ facade controls: MODX offers more, and the SuperKnob is so powerful it can replace aftertouch in some performances , better again using one of the 4 pedal controls 3/ Quality/price ratio: once you own a computer with your daw you can compensate easily sampling and sequencing weak options from the MODX and you can enjoy great sounds with MODX ( 1000 £) and complement with a good analog synth like Korg Minilog XD (500£) up to a Prologue 16 OSC (1500 £) to reach the price of Nautilus (announced ca. 2500 £)
@@brunodadivore9606 I was a passionate synth collector...but after testing tons of softsynths I lost my interest a bit, I went back to playing guitar. I still have some old synths left, they sound very well. (Yamaha AN1X, Korg Radias) The most interesting thing is the Wavestate but I don't have an immediate urge to buy, lol.
@@RayyMusik MODX/88 $1999 US at Sweetwater, Nautilus 73 $2399. No contest. I'll take the MODX. There isn't even an 88 key Nautilus, at least not on sweetwater yet.
It always seems that in spite of the sound engines between the flagship model and the 'scaled down' version being 'identical', the scaled down version sounds thinner. This seems to be across the board with most makes. Perhaps it's the D to A convertors or something or just less sample rom. This sounds great but how would it fare side by side with a Kronos?
Damn, I love my Korg stuff but the price on these, no after touch in 2020’s even on a 4K keyboard..? A shit touch screen experience, no touch screen would have been better and make me more confident that the keyboard still works after twenty years of use. Hopefully here in 2024 I can find a good used one for half off or just forget about all together. I would really like to have the wavestation though.
Hey Loopop! Great rev. Sweetwater talks about the keybed: ”Korg has developed a new Light-Touch keyboard that facilitates smooth glissandos and lightning-fast synth solos.” What’s you’re opinion on the quality or feel of the Nautilus Keybed (Wavestate? Modx? Novation SLMK3? Best Regards /Mack
29:51 It's good to know that Korg's priests performed whatever ritual put the ghosts into Kronos, too. I have a track/jam called We Are where the Kronos kept changing drum kits on me... but with better taste and timing than I would have. The screen was open to the "select by category" pop-up for drum kits, and I could see each new drum kit highlighted as it changed. That sort of thing happened a few times. Since yesterday, it won't stay on for very long. A lighter weight version would be great, but I have so much fun with karma. If the step sequencers were like 64 steps each of the Volca Drum step sequencer, then that would be very useful, very tempting. After watching most of this video as a refresher- I'd miss too much from the Kronos, though. Someone else probably wouldn't. That settles it.. I need to get mine fixed.
I'm all about patches and stacking patches to get inspired to compose. I have the option of getting a used kronos 88, or modx 8, or fantom 08. Which would you recommend?
So those scenes are not really any better than RPPR. I was thinking they would be completely customizable, not just arpeggio patterns. It would be cool if you can program song sections for live performance like an arranger keyboard. I wish karma was fully customizable on the kronos.
Same here. Love my Kronos 61 - and would be interested in a Nautilus 73 for gigging - IF its was priced sanely (i.e., no more than $1700) and had significantly lower weight. As it is now, I agree ... confusing product indeed.
It's not. I had a Kronos 2, remember.. this can produce all of the sounds, every single sound that you can get out of Kronos. It has actually more HD-1 samples than Kronos. It's also half the price of a new Kronos.
Karma is a special piece of kit indeed. No not everyone needs it, or understands it. But those who do - won't be without it. It's a simple enough distinction. Yamaha and Roland et al exist primarily in other areas. Korg is the synth King in regards to their net direction. They have some of the best sampling and experimental engineering in the business. So keep in mind who you are dealing with.
Can you do key-release samples in the HD-1 engine? How much storage is there in Nautilus vs Kronos? Is there a limit to the maximum number of samples per patch, regardless of the amount of free disk space?
I dont care if i got mates over, if a loopop video drops im watching it
I've been debating whether to buy a Kronos or Nautilus and I've exhaustively gone over the specifications of Kronos and Nautilus. Here is how it looks from my perspective. I don't know the intangibles that help comparison such as any differences in long term maintenance costs, expected longevity of support from Korg if Kronos discontinued, performance & overall ease of use, software and hardware component quality, whether Kronos Karma or Nautilus Arpeggiator is best choice,, etc.
Bottom line - - - Is Kronos worth approximately $700 more (or $1,200 if sale ends)?
What is the SAME or Extremely Similar:
- 9 Sound Engines, Oscillator Control & Maximum Polyphony (though the SGX2 piano type and sounds slightly different between the two)
- PCM Ram capacity
- Combination Timbres
- Quick Layer / Split feature
- Set Lists
- Sampling
- Effects
- Sequencer Capability
- Keyboard action and size options
What's DIFFERENT:
- Only Kronos has Aftertouch
- Kronos has more physical slider controls, knobs, buttons, etc, on panel
- Kronos has KARMA with 96 preloaded Generated Effects whereas Nautilus has an Arpeggiator with 1,593 Preloaded Patterns
**[Note/edit: The Nautilus Arpeggiator allows highly customizable arpeggio patterns - whereas - that more difficult or perhaps not possible via Karma on the Kronos.]
- Kronos with Karma has 8 Scenes versus 4 Scenes on the Nautilus Arpeggiator
- Kronos has 718 preset Drum Patterns versus 1,272 on Nautilus
- Kronos has 1,792 preloaded Programs of which 896 are HD-1 & 512 preloaded Combinations ... versus Nautilus which has 1,920 preloaded Programs 1,280 of which are HD-1 & 256 preloaded Combinations (both have 2,560 slots for Programs and 1,792 slots for Combinations)
- Kronos has 314 MB of Preset PCM versus 498 MB on Nautilus (though Kronos has greater quantity of multisamples and drum samples)
- Kronos has 198 preloaded Wave Sequences vs 377 preloaded on Nautilus (both have a 598 capacity)
- The available Built In Expansion Libraries differ
- Kronos has 8" display at higher resolution than the 7" display on Nautilus
- Nautilus 3 lbs lighter
You missed one CRUCIAL aspect that justifies why the NAUTILUS is so special:
USER Arps. Those astounding 1593 arps are FULLY PROGRAMMABLE. In KARMA, there's ZERO user pattern capability and instead of just being about to hit record and create a pattern, like you can on the NAUTILUS, you have to move a bunch of controls, to get close to what you want and even THEN it's not exactly what you want because it's all PRE-generated.
@@michaelaurelius8507 yes that appears to be a limitation ... though could spend $169 for the full external KARMA software ... but that's another step and expense. From what I can gather browsing videos on the subject you CAN get pretty close to completely created user patterns via Kronos alone. Perhaps via sequencer you could achieve this and/or by assigning different programs to drum patterns?
Certainly a consideration. I personally was wowed by Karma so ultimately ended up buying a Kronos instead of Nautilus ... but it was not a slam dunk easy decision.
Thanks for the information.
@@michaelaurelius8507 ... you appear to be correct Michael. In another forum I see where a Korg R&D manager admitted lack of customizable Arpeggiator feature in Kronos. Though you can probably find a Karma GE Arpeggiator pattern or the up down pattern that fits your needs, a specific user created option isn't there.
My thinking was you create arpeggio type patterns and loop them in Sequencer but that not the same really. Not really with triggers on n off at ease and simply customizable like in Nautilus.
I'm still learning the features ... just thinking out loud. Haven't received my Kronos yet so have been reading Operation Guide, etc.
" .... The original poster asked about a "good old-fashioned arpeggiator" and a "basic arpeggiator," so that's what I was thinking of.
I appreciate the desire for more onboard editing for arpeggiation patterns, as well, but I'm afraid that's not in the cards for now.
Best regards,
Dan
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@@michaelaurelius8507 ... here's where someone explains using Wave Sequencing to create custom arpeggios. Not really a quick functioning arpeggiator per se but helpful.
th-cam.com/video/RgEByCYvdDI/w-d-xo.html
As if 2020 wasn’t bad enough, they are bringing back resistive touch screens...
🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Not only that. Looks like they're using the same atom chipset back from 2011, 2gb ram and all good thing developed 10 years ago. My 100$ chinese tablet has more power then this 2500$ workstation. which can explain the lag mention in the review. It's just yet another try to milk customers with old gear in new cases. The only thing korg really made an effort in is the new theme which I can only hope kronos users will get as an update if korg will be kind enough to bother.
Yes, I am a few mins into the video and already the UI/touchscreen seems very unresponsive for modern standards (phones, tablets)
They never got rid of them on keyboards. Supposedly, they say that resistive touch screens are better for pinpoint accuracy compared to capacitive for on stage applications. I don't know if I buy that; I think they are just cheaper to produce.
This looks awful. No aftertouch, resistive touch screen, barely any controls, wobbly knob.
Thanks for the video. Part of the reason I liked the KARMA function is that it is helpful for creating beautiful spacious pads. But, of coarse, it is complicated. I probably understand about 50% of it. So what do you guys think>? Will the lack of KARMA make it more difficult to create beautiful PADS?
I've never used Karma but it seems like it's more for rhythmic patterns as opposed to pads
@@loopop Thanks. Yes Karma is very versatile and sometimes complicated patterns.
You are the “Users Manual” brought to life but with a fun entertaining and world class edge.
I purchased a Yamaha MODX after watching your review.
Thank you so much LoopPop!
wobbly plastic knobs/pots, a resistive touch screen and laggy interface are dealbreakers at >2k. When I spend that much on an instrument I expect nothing less than premium build quality.
There’s the Nord Stage 3.
Nothing wobbly, touch screen does its thing. No issues at all since one year.
It's actually more fun to use than a Modx or Montage.
And the Nautilus sounds fantastic!
korg naut has a good sounds but if the touc is broken then its the end of the board.
@@krosstechguy3290 that's the same with most keyboards.
@@thorstenweimar1190 The orchestral and cinematic patches and effects are mindblowing!
I have owned an 88-key Kronos 2 for 3 years where it’s remained the centerpiece of my studio. Aftertouch I’ve really only used while plugging lighter action external keybeds into it (MIDI/USB) due to the heavy piano hammer action. Karma is something I’ve lightly tapped into but enjoy having as a weighty option. Amazing sounds, however I feel the biggest limitation of both is still using the 32-bit architecture and it’s 4GB memory ceiling.
Thank you for the comparison. You asked for feedback on Karma from Kronos users. I use Karma very sparingly, and I generally dislike it. It’s nice to see that Korg has moved to what seems to be a much more usable arpeggiation tool.
Dude... nice camera work!
Can you also program fixed notes sequences with the arp editor? I mean play a notes sequence with just one key which then is transposed over the keyboard? If so how this be done? Thanks.
"All the keyboards are velocity sensitive but don't have aftertouch". Loopop, your reviews are the best and most thorough out there but this is one video I can't bring myself to watch. Korg let us all down badly on this one IMHO.
Yes they did eddy,and of all the things to cut down on.. aftertouch korg? really?
No aftertouch on a $2,000 keyboard? I can understand the loss of the controller section. And ALMOST the loss of Karma. But this trend from keyboard manufacturers to remove aftertouch from all but their top of the line synths? Is it really that expensive to implement? Am I the only one who finds aftertouch extremely useful? I sold my Kronos and was thinking of getting back into the "Kronos" fold, but I'll have to pass on the Nautilus. Regardless of how I feel, your review, as always, was very helpful and insightful. Thanks for always doing such a great job!
6:25 „I find fingers just fine - they come in HANDY“😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wow..., that’s pretty expensive for a budget version. There is no excuse in 2020 for a keyboard in that price range to not have aftertouch. I don’t understand why aftertouch is still being treated like it’s a “gold feature” in keyboards today. That technology has been around for a long time now.
Why do you need aftertouch, it’s basically used for about four samples?
A lot of extra blank space, yet very capable. Loopop yet again you did an amazing job!
I hope they release an updated OS with this refreshed interface for the Kronos.
that woudl be awesome but I doubt it because the hardware is from the mid 2000's
Even though Yamaha montage has great interface but extremely complex, I think Roland fantom is best of the both worlds.
You'd have no reason to buy the Nautilus, then.
A great comparison. I have a Kronos 2 61, and like fellow commentators think that the omission of Karma would be a problem. It's one of the major features of Kronos (and Oasys before it) and once you get to know it, it soon becomes indispensable. The larger touchscreen on Kronos helps, particularly if like me, your fingers resemble bunches of bananas!
Someone help me understand why we would want to send only two channels over USB? I see this as a perfect keyboard for Mainstage because there are 4 assignable outs, but it sounds like those 4 assignable outputs aren't exposed to your computer (which would make it even more compelling IMO).
I think it's nice if you have a use case for a Kronos but want to spend less. Maybe some Musical Directors? For me, I'm still extremely happy with my MODX6 and for $700 less than a Nautilus 61 I'd still buy it again specially because of the MODX's amazing audio interface.
does this keyboard include the "legendary" programs that come with the Kronos? I mean those sounds that replicate the instruments of some classic pop songs (Imagine, Supertramp, Journey, Beatles, etc)?
I had the Krome EX, Kronos 2 61, and now I have the Nautilus 61. Kronos is much more complicated. Karma has many variants, but you need to know how to use it, as a result, it is a difficult piece of equipment to use. I think the Nautilus sounds more accessible and more pleasant to listen to. Playing this instrument is pure satisfaction. Kronos has a more severe character. It looks as if Korg engineers have given the Kronos an easier & nicer version. The keyboard is probably the same, but in Nautilus it feels a bit deeper. Between Kronos and Nautilus I had Krome EX, so maybe that's why I feel in Nautilus. To sum up, Korg Nautilus is the best equipment I've ever dealt with. Affordable price, something beautiful.
How can I switch off USB audio loopback on the Nautilus?
USB in is sent to USB out, when I want to monitor on Nautilus headphones. Use case: click/playback from DAW for overdubbing. Problem: Nautilus routes click to output and it gets recorded along with what I play.
I have a krome 73 (mk1) and this looks everything that i'd hoped the krome would be!...similar but more depth, usefull features and ease of use in every aspect! Im just wondering what the keybed is like? The krome was slated Nd is cheap feeling but ive got used to it, bar the noisy keys.
@neilmason9667 The Nautilus 88 RH3 is ok. Better than Yamaha GHS (MODX, DGX670). Yamaha GH/BH (Montage) and Kawai RH3 (MP7SE) are better, though. Boot time of two and a half minutes can also be annoying at times. Montage is maybe 20 seconds.
I just don't get Korg, what is their Obsession with scaled down Kronos's,
KROSS
KROME
KROME EX
KRONOS LS
i3
And now Nautilus
Don't even care what they call it
Kronos 3, Kronos the Sequel, Kronos Unleashed.
Can We just have it before the turn of the Century.
Its definitely not cutting edge tec
@@shadowbanned5164 I agree. But then, no aftertouch. That could have been the frosting on top of the Wavestate cake!
Well said! It seems two strategical teams at Korg. One for flagships and workstations where they seem lost in what to do to take the Yamaha, Nord and Roland train. And a second one for synths Volca, Log serie , Wavestate, OPSIX bringing something new to the world
Robert Belknap they found out that they did make a perfect machine The Kronos. Now they have to downgrade otherwise they cant ever sell synths anymore
Agreed its very disappointing.
this is like controlling protools with a DX7
Or a 2011 samsung phone lol
something against te DX7 ? !
@@brunodadivore9606 Try Arturia's DX7 plugin & compare it to the original UI of DX7...
@@jehwoh yes i have all the Arturia suite. DX7 plug in is really nice, much easier to program than the real DX7. But now I stopped using, cause MODX is much greater and easier to sound design
@@brunodadivore9606 I LOVE the MODX. It's going to be hard to beat, let's see Roland's answer to the Flagship "takedown/mid tier" workstation.
I have had the Kronos since it came out in 2011. JMO, this is not the same machine without KARMA and all the controls. I almost never use the touch screen on the Kronos and would find Nautalis unusable for this reason, and the lack of KARMA, that offers so much more than just ARPs. JMO, but this makes the Kronos an even better deal.
I agree I was thinking to buy a Nautilus until I've found out that it does not have Karma...
Fun fact the Kronos cannot be bought so it’s not a better deal🤔🤷♀️
Is it not weird for an expensive synth in 2020 to not have aftertouch?
It's definitely weird for anything to have a resistive touch screen in the last 10 years 🤦♂️🤦♀️
At this point "Aftertouch" is just a term people whine about whether they know what it is or even really use it.
@@187onasimp no, just no.
Who exactly do you think is buying flagship synths? toddlers? Bedroom beginners? We know what AT is because we are industry professionals who do the job as a career. We know precisely what it does, what boards are best for it and whether or not we need it - or an artist we work with does. Korg are known for their synth specialization. Rather than Piano or Organ like team red, or Yamaha. Thus; people expecting it from korg is not surprising. That they released a limited amount of Prologues with it. And made sure that the current little 3 octave toys and be used with it - should reinforce the point.
Again, this is our career focus. Don't generalize with people you don't know.
As you pointed out, the Kronos is 7 years old already. I was hoping for a better Kronos; not a cheaper but unimproved version. The improved samples, especially for piano, are nice, but, otherwise, it seems like a step backwards from an already old instrument.
I would also say that the Kronos faders can be used as drawbars, which is definitely something that an organ player would miss.
The Korg Kronos is from 2011, so already 9 years old.
One of the best reviews on TH-cam. Well done!!!
How does the keybed feel? Anything like the Trinity and Triton or Motif? Or disappointingly cheap like a $50 Casio or the god awful MODX?
Hi not sure if it was mentioned before in 16:00 you can see a drag access button in the lower right corner, which seems to allow to pull drawbars groupwise with a motion of your finger over the screen. Can you confirm this? Is this a new feature compared to the Kronos ?
Greetings
Frank
As a Kronos 2 88 owner, I am quite happy to see this. :D
They repeated their own mistakes, like sticking to the outdated sequencer all Korg workstations suffered of since M1 times.
They also adopted proven mistakes from others, like Yamaha made with their DX7 - heavily compromized accessibility and usability due to the lack of physical controls.
In short, it's a Kronos with too less controls, undersized screen and memory, and no Karma, bearing all the shortcomings of it's larger brother with added drawbacks.
If it was a 1000 $ instrument - okay. But it isn't.
So I feel very happy with my Kronos 2 88, wouldn't even buy this one if it came for 1500 bucks and three bikini models included.
I guess Kronos doesn't need that new UI - it's just for compensating the dismemberment caused by the lack of physical controls.
Answers:
Use Karma:? Never programmed anything (too complicated) - but often like to use it for playing along for my own enjoyment. Never use it for recordings.
Use the hardware controls?: Yes. Karma buttons, sliders, numerical keypad. They removed the keypad?
Sequencer?: Used it quite heavily with the 01/w fd, created full songs with a multiple devices setup (01/w, JX-3P, Poly 800, DX7, Vocalist II). Back in time. There were times people from Europe travelled to the heart of India on the back of elephants, arrived after several years, if at all. Nowadays, they'll take a plane and safely arrive within a few hours. Same with sequencers. Thus I switched to Cubase, Reaper - and never looked back. Why should I?
Sorry and happy to say: Korg went the wrong way. Stepping back doesn't get you forward. And lack of physical controls kills creativity, stops the temptation of creating your own sounds, reduces a workstation to a preset player.
try pairing a MPC one with your Kronos The sequencer is awesome to use and many options
@@rickvestuto - Ah, that's not my kind of device; I am one of that fossils used to playing white and black keys. :)
So I am quite fine with using a software DAW for recording and sequencing.
But thank you for that glance at the Akai front. :)
What would you recommend in a similar price range that’s superior, and isn’t almost totally obsolete?
@@robertw1871 Fantom 0 series!
This is Korg's tradition. Move former engines to a midrange tier - whilst they develop the actual flagship successor. Which this isn't. That will undoubtedly come later; because of the global shortage of parts. Which is why Kronos itself, PA and Prologue are all discontinued and why other pieces of hardware are now offered as VSTs. Nautilus is a good tide over for those who didn't already have a Kronos with a new coat of paint. The replacement of Karma likely because it was deep and difficult for the more casual keyboardist. I wouldn't part with it either - but then I am a long term Korg user. Not someone they need to worry overly about. Kronos remains the king until the new flagship arrives. We'll see whats announced at the delayed NAMM in a few months time.
Fantom and Modx are great value for what they offer. Both have pro's and cons. However Korg users tend to prefer the brand because of its net total character. I'd rather still use my Triton than a Roland Fantom-0 and would buy one now rather than it. But thats not to say I dislike Roland at all. I have a Jupiter X downstairs afterall. Be very clear about what and why you buy.
Very few instruments are obsolete. I set up a professional stage a while ago for an artist - and they had a Triton and a old Yamaha SY. Along with a much more modern montage. Don't be afraid to like what you like. You'll enjoy music more that way.
6:27 Loopop with the finger recommandation. They do come in handy! (Oh my god, was that a pun? I just realized it.)
yes yes my attempt to entertain with dad jokes
Lack of physical faders would be a problem for me in Combi mode in a live gig situation.
Shame 73 key version isn’t weighted like Kronos version is.
Good to see simpler arppegiator as I do find karma very complicated
Are the 61-key keyboards the same on Nautilus and Kronos? My main concern otherwise is the touch display. It should have been capacitive. This will screw up programming and performances. I still want it though (or Kronos) :).
No. Nautilus has cheap keybed
@@hsn10 does 66 and 73- key version of Nautilus has exactly the same keybad with Krome ex, or at Nautilus is better?
This Keyboard looks to be a beast for sure.
Nautilus does seem to be a very Apt name though, as it looks like you're going to have to do some very deep 'Menu Diving' to get to where you want to be.
This coupled with a smaller screen must surely make for some frustration, and cursing..
Great detailed upload!
The Queen intro music is a nice touch!
Is having an internal Hard Drive kind of counter productive? The only reason I ask is that with my Triton classic I lost all my data when the external HD failed. I now have a SCSI2SD drive on the SCSI port so I can easily transfer data for backing up. Would it not have been easier to have something similar for the NAUTILUS?
For that price... HOW can they get away with it? I know its MSRP and will probably drop but I get so much more out of my MODX7 and got it open box for $1199. Best synth/workstation I've ever used (so far). I wouldn't mind one of the new Fantoms someday, but they are also expensive.
I wonder what stopped them from using korg gadget as an OS.
I was saving up for a MODX, and I never thought I would see Korg playing the MODX card. It is a very interesting time to be buying synths. I wonder if Roland will do the same.
This is now such an interesting category since the Yamaha MODX doesn't have a virtual analogue engine.
EDIT: After seeing the price, I don't know if Korg is trying to be in the midrange market or creating an alternative option for Kronos owners.
This one doesn't have an analog engine, it's all digital... It's a VA (virtual analog). I'm a MODX6 owner and I'd buy the MODX again. One of the biggest advantages is how the audio interface works.
True, but you'd be surprised how 'analogue' both AWM2 and FMX engines on the MODX can sound, especially with some of the third party libraries out there.
@@gautrstafr Mistake on my part, early hours here, you're right I meant to say VA.
The audio interface on the Nautilus is a little bit bizarre. It has 4 outs, and yet 2 USB channels, IMO this would be a perfect option for Mainstage users because of the potentially assignable outs.
You're absolutely in the right. Yamaha seems the only historical one -with Behringer and now ASM and Modal- to understand the market. Price wise but also the quality of the interface and the care how they build the workflow. Discussing with part of Yamaha team, I am not surprised as I am convinced their culture of listening customers experience is so anchored at the firm. At the Nautilus price level, by far more expensive than the MODX, and staying in the workstation segment, Roland Fantom appears to me very attractive.
@@AynsleyGreen Yes! Have one MODX and it is pleasure all days long, never shorted in creativity with it. When you are not professional MODX choice seems obvious @ that budget as a workstation AND a fantastic FM synth. Are you talking about Easysounds ? Which have you and would recommend?
Iam user of korg, how can I develop my sequencing skills, I'm using korg pa 600 ....
19:00 So the HD-1 sampler running exclusively means someone can't run their libraries together with the internal sounds of the Nautilus?
You can run sounds alongside HD-1 in a Combi.
Yes, indeed you can run HD-1 alongside the other synths in a combi, just not in a program
@@loopop Oh okay, I was a bit worried there for a second!
I was pretty disapointed when I noticed the extra 15" screen wasn't real..
LOL! I thought the same thing. I had to do a double take.
Um well.. I didn't do a double take.. I spent 15 minutes on google trying to find the monitor or some hack before I saw these comments... dum dum dum dum dum
Is AT really that importan, most of comments talking about that also, as now Korg is offering that and is it point to get Nautilus AT, instead of just Nautilus?
Did Korg peak 15 years ago when they released the OASYS? My 76 key version has HD-1, EXs-2 (pianos), AL-1, CX-3, STR-1, LAC-1 (PolySix & MS-20), MOD-7 plus KARMA and aftertouch... Putting it in a different case and changing its name every few years seems to be all they've done since.
Honestly, Georgina, who cares? NO ONE has been able to even remotely touch the OASYS, KRONOS, and now NAUTILUS in ANY product released in the last 15 years, in ANY capacity whatsoever.
The mere fact that KRONOS EXCEEDS my beloved OASYS of the last 12-13 YEARS with 2 Synth Engines, DAW Integration, and a LOT of new features and sounds that I can't get on my OASYS speaks volumes of what Korg has accomplished.
I do agree that 2005 was their peak and everything since then has been repackaged with 6 different KRONOS variations since 2011, and the outstanding HD-1 engine trickling down to the KROME and SV-2 as EDS-X, and now ALL 9 synth engines coming to an insane price point with the NAUTILUS, without the control surface and a simpler front panel, but again, WHO CARES?
I honestly wish they had come out with the NAUTILUS A LOT sooner, because KARMA is a royal pain in the ass to use and the mere fact that you have to use a computer JUST to edit and create patterns is ridiculous! Using a DAW is one thing and I LOVE Logic. But given that 90% of the time I'm using my keyboards and actually sequencing on them stand alone and I can't create patterns on a synth that has a sound and feature set I have never seen in ANY other product prior to the OASYS is quite infuriating. NAUTILUS truly is a dream come true for me and I LOVE how much they have updated the interface.
There isn't anything wrong with the engines. There is nothing new under the sun. Just better UI and approach. The little Korg boards are them messing with advancement. Trialing new blends with FM. Waves and on. These workstations on the other hand are bread and butter Korgs. A much smaller company than the others. The Nautilus is a tide over, while the world is uncertain. You'll get a new flagship when its possible to even deliver one. Hence many other flagship ranges have recently been discontinued and they are on with the VST (no physical components required). There certainly has been some complacency over the years due to the overall lack of demand and advancement. But things age. The engines will be given new life and UI no doubt. All in good time. They like to let the other brands tip their hands to the market first. Since NAMM is put back until summer, wait for that.
Does it load the PCG-Files from a KRONOS or OASYS?
Very good question 🤔 I was wondering the same thing.
Oasys is still the best. Karma is truly amazing. I also love the pads, extra knobs and sliders, ribbons, joysticks, etc.
Hi, It has a Korg Krome dising, I did not like that they removed the faders, in mya case I use them a lot for the combination of live tones. The option I see is tu use a pedal, but I feel taht it would be very complicated and uncomfortable, one rule, you pay attention to what you interpret or yuo look at the screen to select the correct option without your finger moving to the wrong place. Presonally, I Stay with KRONOS, I will wait for the next model after the Nautilus
Я в Yamaha Modx7+ использую педаль для управления СуперКнопкой - очень и очень удобно!
I owned a Kronos 73 and it was almost perfect for me. But at 24Kg I could not take it at every rehearsal and gig anymore, the RH3 keyboard is nice but a bit inconvenient for organ/synth parts. So I think this might actually be a very good solution for somebody like me, but Korg has to work on the positioning. If they make it cost more or less like a MODX7 then we have a discussion here.
Hello, I'm just starting with the Korg company (previously Roland Fantom G and Yamaha Tyros 3,4). Currently, I have the Korg PA5X, which, for me, is intuitive-I managed it without using the manual. I'm considering purchasing the Nautilus. The question is, can you record vocals directly onto audio tracks using a microphone on the Nautilus, then combine it with a MIDI track, save it, and play back the complete recorded song (the whole song)?
I have a headache just for seeing this video. And I had a Korg M50 a years ago. I see it's the same mindset to tame here, a little more complex. Thanks for the detail on the Review.
Thanks for the in depth review! Fantastic. I think im sold as ive missed the kronos boat this is the natural upgrade from my korg krome.
What in particular do you like about Kronos vs this? Perhaps a used one will do if it's major
2 ARPs and a drum track...this started like 15 yrs back with the M50. And now ladies and gentle man, KORG presents......oh almost the same concept.
Anyone who can manage create a professional sounding user ARP pattern using this keyboard should be nominated for the OSCARs.
The Triton had this back in the day plus an extremely nice Yamaha keyboard with aftertouch and built like a tank - it does seem like one step forward two steps back with modern workstations, and for this price it’s ridiculous. Maybe there just isn’t the market there used to be?
I'm still playing my M50-88. I use it with Cakewalk, Kontakt 7, Komplete 14 standard. It's really way more than I'll ever need. But I'm getting an inch to upgrade my keyboard and I'm totally confused on which way to go. I'm not into creating my own sounds, but I do want one with the arp/drum track. This nautilus is over kill for me but I still like it. Been looking at the Studiologic keyboards. I could use someone like the OP to help me wade through the choices.
@@abc456f if you feel the nautilus is overkill, then stay with the m50, these are basically the same. there is not much difference between krome and the m50, other than polyphony (64 in m50 vs 120 in krome) if this doesn't affect your workflow then don't upgrade. unless you're planning to get the kronos
@noobmaster1231 Thanks a lot.
I own Motif XF and thinking about getting Fantom or Ntalus or MontageM.
I use the XF Pattern Sequencer mode the most.
Does Natalia engines have Realtime sequencer mode to play phases on keys?
You get a like for opening with Queen...
What's the boot time? Still 2+ mins?
Unfortunately yes
@@loopop Noooooooooo! That's bad!
Or good for me, as it means my 2011 Kronos with 3G RAM, 7" Resistive Touch Screen and 2 mins boot time is still state of the art! ;)
Quick question.. your external monitor showing the Nautilus display. I have a Kronos 88, is that monitor just connected to the USB port in the back of the Nautilus? Would that arrangement also work on the Kronos?
There’s no monitor there - it’s a video overlay
@@loopop Wow.. fooled me completely.. :-)
Does the secondary big screen come with it? If not how does it connect?
It’s not real, unfortunately, just an overlay that I added, when editing the video
@@loopop ok thanks. Looked like a real attachment! Great video. I have the Korg M3 getting its touch screen repaired because some tabs or areas where not responsive so I was just curious whats new.
Great review 👏
How did u mirror the screen?
Water down kronos or a polished Krome.... no Karma, smaller screen.. hmm I'll stick with my Kronos 2. But I do like the "dark mode " interface!
Thanks! I just added the screen from the video in post
@@loopop I just purchased this 2 days ago...hoping it wasn't a mistake but I have 2 weeks to decide. My main goal will be sequencing work for live shows. May I ask how you hooked up your larger internal screen. ENJOYING what I've heard so far from your review!
@@botronicmusic thanks! The external screen isn’t real unfortunately - it’s an overlay of an overhead camera. So, if you want something like it, technically you can point an overhead camera onto the screen, and then connect it to a monitor
@@loopop Ok, that makes since. One last question. Do you have a special section for sequencing 101 or adding import sequences from another keyboard. I'm still playing an Ensoniq ASR-10 believe or not. Floppy & all, but was told I can dump those on to this board...And btw...i'm only 15 mins or less into your overview.
that's EXACTLY the montage touchscreen. i bet they use the exact same manufacturer/supplier! :-D
So much to like, but than again: a resistive touchscreen in 2020? (At least it's touch.) I'm more curious about the quality of the keybed. I've read plenty of reviews that burns the keybed on the MODX down, so I'm somewhat hesitant to even consider a trimmed down instrument. But one can really tell after a decent amount of usage how the keybed is holding up. So, for now, like the MODX, I stay away from this one.
"I have no idea whats going on here" . 24 mins. How many Kronos users have said that?
Great vid as usual. Quite helpful to me as a longtime Kronos misuser.
If it was a rackmount Kronos I might be interested.. as it is why wouldn't I just get a used Kronos if I cared about the 30%? Price differential more like Montage to MODX may have made more sense, too
sure would love for you to do a KRONOS revies.........Still revelivent?
No one does it better, Loopop is back
Hello there , your videos are of great value and i thank you for this , please if u or someone who konows can answer my question i will be very gratefull
when , in sequencer mode we use the COPY FROM COMBI function do the programs in the Combi get transfered to the sequencer to the same midi chanel they were allocated to in the Combi or we have to rearrange them in the sequencer ( ex drums 10 bass 2 etc ... ,and if so how todo this
thank u for any helpful answer
do the 61 keybed same as kronos ?
Yes the same keyboard like kronos.
Hoping the new features get into kronos with an update, but karma is way more well... more, and the added sliders are very usefull for realtime use. Oh, and no aftertouch? That's a no deal for me...
Genuinely don't mind a resistive touchscreen. I live in an area that's horribly humid most of the time and my hands sweat terribly. Capacitive touchscreens are not my friend.
Hello Sir, I am looking for a KRONOS but I am curious about when they will release a new version? In KORG's case, it may take a while and probably they come up with a whole new thing. Buying the KORG OASYS would be a "Joker" possibility. The foldable screen is very helpful especially for myopic people like I am. Is there a possibility of connecting an external screen to KRONOS? What's your opinion?
Thanks for your highly skilled work! SUPER!
More impressed with your walk through than the actual product. If Kronos was Korg’s legs they would certainly be running a marathon. I’m good with it because at least there is no gas to contend with. I can stay focused on more innovative products.
BTW, video was done VERY WELL ! Thanks again. And it looks like the wave function may be helpful for getting nice pads
At 14:40 I think you meant FM = Frequency Modulation, not Phase Modulation. Different planets to program :D
Nope, definitely meant phase modulation. Actually, what you know as FM in most digital synths (DX-7, Digitone, etc) is phase modulation, and it certainly is in this one. The two are programmable in exactly the same way, they're just different in the way modulator affects the carrier.
@@loopop - Well, as someone that was alive and programming Casio CZ synths, I have always see them as 2 forms of similar synthesis because the harmonic results and control of those harmonics are very different. I stand corrected. :D Nice review my friend. It's been a pleasure to work on Korg's Sound Development team, making patches for these instruments since 1988. I'll still consider MOD7 Frequency Modulation even if it is technically not correct - just to keep my brain from exploding.
LOL indeed we have all been lied to all these years! A big fan of your programming of course FM or PM :)
Which is best for show time... between Kronos vs Nautilus
How can i use this with DAW ? Without to use my inputs from my audiointerface.
Okay now just how did you duplicate the display on that larger screen?
Editing in post. It’s not really there...
I just got a nautilus and i love it besides the linear sequencer so I am using my Squarp and recording all my patterns into it. I’m just having an issue with every time I start the sequencer from the Squarp it will always go to measure 1 no matter what I do. Manual punch in, auto punch in, looping from the measures I set. Doesn’t matter always goes back to measure 1. Is this an issue in my pyramid settings or my nautilus settings? Does anyone know?
Can you save favorite sounds for easy access live?
What screen is on top at minute 0,20?????? Is this also possible for Kronos ???
The screen Isn’t really there, it’s a video overlay
It just dawned on me that Korg may have decided to alter the Montage to MODX model by introducing a light version of the Kronos then release a complete ground up replacement for the Kronos. Hmmmmm?
MODX gets the Montage engine at budget price, what they did successfully. I have one MODX, great understanding from Yamaha from the musicians' needs.
That's exactly what I was thinking! it would be nice to have a new Kronos in 2021.
That screen would drive me bonkers!
I’m so disappointed, I was expecting way more than that :(
Great video that helped me to decide on this board. Can you tell me how to get an external MIDI slider controller to control the drawbars for the CX3?
Sell your Nautilus and buy a Kronos, you will get sliders for the CX3 engine !
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Surprising that there's no aftertouch on a workstation like this
Especially since this will be the flagship vs the Krome replacement.
@@johnnyparker2128 Kronos is still the flagship
great upload loopop, very informative and enjoyable! congrats :)
Thanks! Likewise I just finished watching yours and loved it! Certainly a lot of timbral exploration to be had with this one...
Hi! Thank for this introductive video! I am a MODX user and would shortly comment a comparison to. 1/ screen: It seemed that you got difficulties in ticking on the screen, not the case with MODX. 2/ facade controls: MODX offers more, and the SuperKnob is so powerful it can replace aftertouch in some performances , better again using one of the 4 pedal controls 3/ Quality/price ratio: once you own a computer with your daw you can compensate easily sampling and sequencing weak options from the MODX and you can enjoy great sounds with MODX ( 1000 £) and complement with a good analog synth like Korg Minilog XD (500£) up to a Prologue 16 OSC (1500 £) to reach the price of Nautilus (announced ca. 2500 £)
Indeed, you could buy a Wavestate too as a MODX complement, AND the Minilogue XD. :-)
@@Aetila A taste of heaven in that case ...
@@Aetila ... and two years to go around, deepen and master the set!
@@brunodadivore9606
I was a passionate synth collector...but after testing tons of softsynths I lost my interest a bit, I went back to playing guitar. I still have some old synths left, they sound very well. (Yamaha AN1X, Korg Radias)
The most interesting thing is the Wavestate but I don't have an immediate urge to buy, lol.
Its seems that Korg released a product to compete more with Yamaha’s MODX-series.
Obviously. And obviously they failed: the MODX’ value for money ratio is still unsurpassed.
@@RayyMusik MODX/88 $1999 US at Sweetwater, Nautilus 73 $2399. No contest. I'll take the MODX.
There isn't even an 88 key Nautilus, at least not on sweetwater yet.
@@WarrenPostma Nautilus 88 keys is announced $3300 US here in France ...
@@brunodadivore9606 Mon dieu!
@@brunodadivore9606 That's a brutally expensive price for NO AFTER TOUCH, no expression strip, and no karma, though.
Do you think it will even sell?
It always seems that in spite of the sound engines between the flagship model and the 'scaled down' version being 'identical', the scaled down version sounds thinner. This seems to be across the board with most makes. Perhaps it's the D to A convertors or something or just less sample rom. This sounds great but how would it fare side by side with a Kronos?
Damn, I love my Korg stuff but the price on these, no after touch in 2020’s even on a 4K keyboard..? A shit touch screen experience, no touch screen would have been better and make me more confident that the keyboard still works after twenty years of use. Hopefully here in 2024 I can find a good used one for half off or just forget about all together. I would really like to have the wavestation though.
Hey Loopop! Great rev. Sweetwater talks about the keybed: ”Korg has developed a new Light-Touch keyboard that facilitates smooth glissandos and lightning-fast synth solos.” What’s you’re opinion on the quality or feel of the Nautilus Keybed (Wavestate? Modx? Novation SLMK3? Best Regards /Mack
They’re all synth/light action. I would say Nautilus and SLMK3 feel better than Wavestate and MODX
@@loopop 👍
@@loopop SL MK2 keybed is way better then MK3
Hi, is it possible to load kronos sets to nautilus? Thnx
29:51 It's good to know that Korg's priests performed whatever ritual put the ghosts into Kronos, too. I have a track/jam called We Are where the Kronos kept changing drum kits on me... but with better taste and timing than I would have. The screen was open to the "select by category" pop-up for drum kits, and I could see each new drum kit highlighted as it changed. That sort of thing happened a few times. Since yesterday, it won't stay on for very long. A lighter weight version would be great, but I have so much fun with karma. If the step sequencers were like 64 steps each of the Volca Drum step sequencer, then that would be very useful, very tempting. After watching most of this video as a refresher- I'd miss too much from the Kronos, though. Someone else probably wouldn't. That settles it.. I need to get mine fixed.
I'm all about patches and stacking patches to get inspired to compose. I have the option of getting a used kronos 88, or modx 8, or fantom 08. Which would you recommend?
So those scenes are not really any better than RPPR. I was thinking they would be completely customizable, not just arpeggio patterns. It would be cool if you can program song sections for live performance like an arranger keyboard. I wish karma was fully customizable on the kronos.
Great review as usual! 👍appreciate you!
Hi, what is the extra large viewing screen you have plugged into your Kronos?
Thanks
It's not real, just a video overlay added when editing the video
Oh ok sorry, I was watching on my phone. I'm due for my first set of glasses very soon 😂👍
Not real in the sense of being active but can you not output the screen to a laptop or tablet just to be able see it better?
I have a Kronos 61, no need for this if they didn’t improve the sequencer. Confusing product.
its cheaper but if you consider second hand buying it is not worth it, yes.
@@OutOfRangeDE $2K cheaper ?...crappy expensive toneboard--
Same here. Love my Kronos 61 - and would be interested in a Nautilus 73 for gigging - IF its was priced sanely (i.e., no more than $1700) and had significantly lower weight. As it is now, I agree ... confusing product indeed.
Thanks for the comparison! I like the simple arpeggiator. Karma is very complex and most of the time to big for my use.
I have a 1st gen 73 key Kronos. The Nautilus looks like a great step backwards.
I agree. I bought the Kronos X 88 back in 2013. Glad I did. Still learning new things even in 2023-24. 😊
It's not. I had a Kronos 2, remember.. this can produce all of the sounds, every single sound that you can get out of Kronos. It has actually more HD-1 samples than Kronos.
It's also half the price of a new Kronos.
Karma for me was the icing on the cake, and with all the controls missing, the lesser screen, i would spend the extra buck for the Kronos
100% this is useless. Either a Kronos or other options like the Yamaha...
@@andersjeppsson8499 I disagree. And I don't think Yamaha or other manufacturers has Karma on they keyboards either.
Karma is a special piece of kit indeed. No not everyone needs it, or understands it. But those who do - won't be without it. It's a simple enough distinction. Yamaha and Roland et al exist primarily in other areas. Korg is the synth King in regards to their net direction. They have some of the best sampling and experimental engineering in the business. So keep in mind who you are dealing with.
Can you do key-release samples in the HD-1 engine? How much storage is there in Nautilus vs Kronos? Is there a limit to the maximum number of samples per patch, regardless of the amount of free disk space?