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- NOTE: this is a re-upload of a previous video that had TERRIBLE audio levels. Hope you all find this version a much more tolerable experience!
I never got the chance to finish this job but I'm quite proud of how far I got before leaving. I think it is a good study in problem solving and working with existing equipment. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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I love how you were able to do literally everything yourself from routing all the lines to the new cabinet to re-tiling the floor all while keeping the entire system online. This is truly astonishing work
Its honestly not that hard. Thats not to say he deserves more than he probably got paid, its a lot of work, but its all reasonably straight forward stuff.
@@ninjaman5j546 haha "Straight forward" is fine for some, but straight forward for others is brain melting. most folks can't plan ahead and organize then tackle one by one these days. "wait you mean i gots ta use me ol brainz and then apply myself...... what you talkin bout willis?"
Back again in 2020 watching old vids, that TH-cam has forgotten I've already seen. Missing the Fibre Ninja.
Fiber
Boy oh boy do I miss the Ninja too. I have re-watched all his vids probably 10 times at least. Haven't found anyone else that went into the depths he did.
It's never fun having to remove old phone systems, most communications company's won't touch them for whatever reason. As a Network Admin, I have had to remove my share of them to make way for new and updated equipment. Seeing you do it just brings back those memories of doing it myself but then also the pleasure I got from seeing my clean-up transform that area to a nice, neat and completely manageable area. Job well done!
“So in an earthquake that’s coming down.” 😂😂 LOL. Cracking up. Great video!
Wow, this is beautiful.
Very satisfying to watch you bring harmony back to that space.
I know nothing about networking, but even I can tell that you took a disaster and turned it into something very manageable and very clean. Nice work!
Dat professional cooling though...
I died. XD
lol
Pretty professional I'd say 😂
This video was a pleasure to watch. Professional job sorting through this whole mess.
Why do companies insist on using server rooms as "STORAGE ROOMS", ARGH, such a pet peeve of mine & is a major no no....if don't have proper organization & COOLING/air flow etc....
What? There's a great spot for that half full mop bucket right by the UPS.
@@RealityGutPunch Is that ups or You Pee Ess? Just wondering. :P
@terry waller Doubt it... all of my clients do the same thing...
Because most people dont have a clue about IT. I work for a 2 billion dollar company and their MDF at HQ had all sorts of junk in it, including a smoker /facepalm
It’s not the problem of cooling or air flow you should be most worried about. IT personal build most systems to be in a locked room/rack. The biggest concern I would have is a rogue employee wrecking things or stealing things.
This is very satisfying to watch. Great job! You title as well! Awesome. Love to see your home network. Thank you.
your "temporary cable run" is better than most of the permanent ones here in Thailand. Awesome video as usual mate!
Oh, and pfSense! My man!!!
James B Oh? I’d love to know more.
Wow, like how you did shelving, tile work, drywall patching, outlet installation, and the ceiling too!
Great job! Love watching this kind of videos.
Holy moly, that is an amazing job. Well done!
Very well done..... This is exactly how i would have run a major network, Hats off to you for all your work..
How could anyone think that that blue mass at the back was a good idea lol. I liked the end result though, wish you added a clip when everything was completely ready and clean but this have us a nice point of reference. I mostly came here to see the cable makeover and it was interesting to see a different approach: patch panel, switch, patch panel, switch etc., being then wired like this. What we do we put all the patch panels at the upper part (possibly with cable canals) and then switches below (again, best with cable canals) and then lead all the cables to the sites, similarly like you did with the back of the patch panels.
Every time you said "UPS" as a word I had a cold feeling run down my back. Other than that, great video dude! :)
ups must be a Midwest thing, everyone calls it that nickname.
Glad it wasn't just me haha
It's nails on a chalkboard. Please Ninja, "U. P. S.", not "ups".
LOL. Thanks for setting me straight chrisgo. I'll let all my staff in our datacenter know that from now on our "U.P.S.s" have mad-"ups". (or is it "oops"?) I definitely want to stay hip with all the slang. Is it okay for me to say "voip" rather than Voice over I.P.? For that matter, I can I just say "ip" rather than "I.P." Or "snump" rather than "SNMP"? Or "smutp" rather than "SMTP"? Holly crap! To think of all of the time I've wasted over these years. I should have been using this slang and been saving literal minutes a year! Plus the kids would have thought I was cool. Damn. I've wasted my life!
System Void I worked with the feds, they called it ups, military called it ups, currently working for the largest teleco in the world, most of my Co workers here refer to it as ups too.
Think you can show a quick preview of how you take existing cables and comb through them to make them look good?
Kudo's on promoting nice and neat network racks. Learning some nice tips from you!
Hope my re- visiting this video and allowing advertising to roll with a skip restraint will get you a micro fraction of income by my viewership. Love all your crazy hair cable room restoration videos. It's very relaxing to watch videos like bathroom to beautiful. Keep up your awesome inspirational videos. You inspire others to better themselves. Leave clean foot prints clearly laid for the next tech.
cable management, a god dang superpower... you sir are a hero!
Great video, wouldn't wish the task of sorting this out on anyone, but it was fun watching you do it XD
Thanks! I'd wish to get another one like this tomorrow! The bigger the mess, the happier I get!!
@@FiberNinjaStudios $$$$😂
oh my, what a job on your hands bro. appreciate the valuable information
truly ridiculous they have the servers and storage in the same room... also this is your second best video!! more like this please!
love the rehab. that made me shiver at the before.
Thanks! Yeah, me too. I remember sitting down with the owners of the office trying to explain just how messed up this place was and what it would most likely need to be made right. I guess they had arrived at the point where they were open to listening to me.
Hey mr Ninja, could you recommend a small networking cabinet for home please? big enough for a dell poweredge R610 and cisco switches please?
thumbs up for the pfSense box! Ive got one almost identical to that new one you put in!
Ahhhh ahhhh! where's all these cables going?!
What does this one do,or this one? ahhhhhhhhhh!,my head is going to explode!
That would be me,kudos to you man,very nice job.
The 'floating switch rack' idea is genius!
Until that rogue earthquake strikes...
Wow! I felt relieved! There are uglier cabling racks than those I've to work with!
Hey Fiberninja I love your videos!!!!But I have a question, what do you do with all of the obsolete equipment?
Really making me want to go down to my server rack and redo the whole config! I've been adding / swapping a lot of things out lately, so it's not quite a spaghetti mess, but still not as clean as I usually have things!
Still need to get a proper PoE switch as well for my AP's so I'm not using injectors (and I'll eventually have PoE cameras as well). One step at a time...
Even POE injectors can be racked and stacked to look nice! Just understand, I'd probably handle that project I documented a couple years ago differently today. I would not have used those same patch panels and I would not have routed the cabling that way today. My 2-hour video shows an example of what I'd do in that situation today. I realized after it was all built and done that I was screwed! I had a line go bad and I had to repair it. Then I saw that I had successfully buried the backs of the patch panels effectively enough that I'd have to disconnect at least 1 switch and pull it out just to reach the panel. I had left no slack behind the panel to draw on and no way of gaining access without causing a big problem. By leaving long loops behind the panel (and using modular keystone panels), I can unscrew a panel and pull it out by rotating it while still leaving it connected to the adjacent switch and thus gain access to the back of the panel. Lucky for me when I had to do that repair, the problem line was close to the edge and I was able to reach it without doing much damage. I knew that I was lucky and it could have been waaay worse! That's a big part of the design concepts I try to preach here.
I always learn something new from you. pity I'm watching this video in 2019. but still very very relevant
2020 - and it's still a winner!
Great work indeed. Done the right way, adapting as you go.
Excellent result, learning loads along the way :)
Looks great. I like how someone built a false wall right over one of the lights LOL!
+Travis Piper OMG you caught that! Man, that was such a pain. The light circuit for the network room was shared with a single office on the other side of that wall. So when she would leave at the end of the day, she'd turn out the lights and I'd be left in the dark!
I thought I did some crazy remediation projects. You've got mad skills.
you did a great job recovering that disaster/nightmare !
Thanks so much! It isn't often I'm just "unleashed" to make a network right without much limitation.
@FIBERNINA ...NOTE: this is a re-upload of a previous video that had TERRIBLE audio levels. Hope you all find this version a much more tolerable experience! ,,, Just your intention of doing this it's Gratefully Appreciated !!!
at 1:14 I whispered "Jesus, f**k!" to myself...
+Alex Turner What's funny is that I was told this was the condition AFTER their network administrator had done some clean up of the cabling (shakes head...)
Why do I enjoy this so much
Very impressed, great presentation and great job
How do you deal with switch config when you change hardware ?
So how are VLANS handled when you move your cabling around? I am guessing that everything has to be re-configured?
This honestly looks like one of the best jobs a man could have :P
It's definitely better and I assume there are some serious budget constraints. Not sure what the point of adding air gaps between the Cables and the switch is though. It would be far cleaner to butt them up against each other and I find if you have two patch pannels to one switch to locate the switch in the middle so you are more likely to be able to see the switch. This is if you choose to mount the switch next close to the patches. The best part is now that it is so much cleaner upgrades will be so much easier!
Can you come and fix my work's server room and communication closets & hubbels in MN? I've debated offering to redo it on a weekend or something at least in the main server room
I feel like almost every comm room in the country needs this!!
if I wanted to go back to school to do this what course would I take?
How long did this job take you to complete and how many hours did you have into it? There was a few different skills involved here and you tackled it all. Did you give customer per hour or fixed cost?
Awesome video FIberNinja!! really systematic.
I did a double take when I saw the c hooks mounted on the ceiling... thought you had screwed them into a ceiling tile and then I saw it was metal.. phew! Looks like a great before & after job.
Actually I replaced that particular ceiling tile with a plywood panel that came pre-finished with a nice laminate white surface (was probably intended for a kitchen counter top). I also ran additional support wires from overhead to deal with the extra weight.
@@FiberNinjaStudios Awesome! I worked for about 7-8 months in telecom and saw quite a few... interesting things. Always refreshing to see someone do a quality job
Much respect. I do this all the time but on a much smaller scale.
pfSense in a production environment. Is that really something that should be relied on over an enterprise solution? I'm not knocking what they have installed, I'm just wondering. I too run pfSense and have experienced issues with the internet dropping out at the modem from time to time and my pfSense box sometimes not picking up on the re-connection of an upstream link. I've read for days this is sometimes an issue and not bug related. What's your take on it?
impressive job! how much time did you spend there???
if you have to remove a server that is running, do you need to disconnect it always? is there a way to move everything without causing a disconnection?
It all depends on how things are cabled and what kind of moves are needed, but certainly there are situations where moving a server doesn't require disconnection. I address this concept along with related issues in some of my early videos about rackmounting cable routing but I will probably talk about it again in the future when time permits. This issue is often the thing that few installers consider when first cabling their racks. It's not until you have to do some work on a system years down the line and realize that you have cabled yourself into a corner that these things become important. Thanks for bringing this topic up! I will definitely put this in my notes for topics to cover in the future.
Great job! Just wondering is that metal conduit and socket cover the best for electrics? In my country we always use plastic components for those
In the USA metal conduit, boxes , and covers are basically a industry standard in industrial or big places. All the metal boxes get grounded along with outlets so everything is safe
How long did this project take?
Lord help me I hope you were very well financially compensated for all that work. I know too many guys that would have bid that way too low just to get the work
...I'd see that mess and I'd run... They're not paying you enough, I simply don't know how you do it.
What laser level do you use?
+Chucks Basix Oh man, it is such a nice platform! We actually brought in an expert to configure it for traffic shaping and the like. Great router!
I wonder, when you were doing all of this - on weekends?
Wow just WOW, great job, wish i had the chance to see something like this... I'm in the face of finishing a new server room....
Thanks so much! and good luck with your server room!!
I was wnodering if you had some special tricks or recommendation regarding the server rack.
All the switch and patch panel will be cable by the professionnal compagny that we hired to pass the cable around the office.
Put the ups at the bottom.
Wire everything on the side of the rack so we can upgrade server?
Great question and I actually would probably have done this rack fairly differently now. What I realized with this was how difficult it was to do any repairs to the patch panels after they were run in like that. Mind you, it is rare for a cable to go bad after it has been installed and tested, but I've had to do it. Patch panels like the ones shown here are a nightmare to troubleshoot and even worse to try and repair. I am starting to cover this learning curve in my newer videos on this channel but there really isn't a trick to it. Just build your systems with the thought that you may one day have to make changes, or repairs to it. That simple principle will drastically affect how you build things. It will change the height of the equipment placement, it will add space between equipment if possible so you can reach your hand inside, etc. If you're having a cabling company do the panels and all the inside wiring, at least see if you can request using keystone patch panels as opposed to IDC panels. I cover the reasons in another video here but it goes a long way in making the cabling and connections safer and easier to repair or modify.
The UPS is at the bottom just because it weighs 200 lbs. The height of equipment inside a rack depends on several things:
1. If you are very short on available space, then this is your determining factor for everything that follows. If you have no room to spare, the rack locations will not matter because you'll have no choice but to use every single space on the rack. It means that you're going to be working at heights that will be uncomfortable, require a ladder, etc. If you're in this situation, try first and foremost to get MORE rack space. It will make everything that follows better.
2. Think about placing equipment in your rack from an ergonomic standpoint. What you work on the most should be the easiest to see and touch. There may need to be a space for a monitor and keyboard (unless you have a rolling cart or something like that). Less frequently touched equipment can be placed further away from the ideal location but don't go too far because eventually you'll need to work on it and find yourself spending days hanging from a ladder or laying on the floor with your laptop!
3. Cabling needs to have a LOT of slack in it. Notice that I was working on a patch panel at a small folding table next to the rack. There should be enough slack on a panel that you can take it out of the rack and work on it at a better level. If your cabling company isn't aware of it, please let them know before it's too late!
4. Label everything! Get a nice professional label machine and just get into the habit. You may not be the one in the future that has to maintain the equipment, or you may not be on-site and have to walk someone through doing work over the phone. Labels will save so much trouble!
5. It is less important to have patch cables running from patch panels to switches that match port numbers as it is to have short patch cables. I talk about this also in other videos but will be showing major work like this in more detail soon. Keeping your patch cables short and without the need of cable management will save you immense complexity in your network rack (actually, this video shows it really well).
That's all I can think of for the moment. Enjoy!
Tks , I would really like to share my experience, but i'm not sure if the client and my compagnie would approve to put this kind of information online. I'm managing the cable compagnie and there doing a really go jobs. They are also testing every cable. 2 whole rack of patch panel with 2u between each.... With Label and a map of the actual network port. Normaly i will have a KVM connect to all the server i'm just not sure if i put it in the cabinet or not. Don't think soo.
why would you use PCI-X in the PCIe era? is that even possible in a 1U chassis?
You seem to run into conduits with out pull bushings alot, ever though of just cutting the bushing and slipping it over the cables?
I hadn't! I just looked them up and they actually make split pull bushings that look pretty strong! I'll have to check into this then next time I run into a situation like this.
Me: cable management is just easyJet cable swapping. Me after watching this video: cable managing is a super hero's job!!!
jeeees… can u replace switch 3 within 2 days if it dies? :)))
Also, I've seen it time & time again..... Companies always "under budget" for their servers, server rooms, PCs, etc....trying to save money & in the END, IT COSTS THEM MORE‼️
Great vid.
Cheers, A👍🏻👍🏻
If not being used, it's simple....REMOVE IT! & please, have a good quality qualified experienced IT person manage, install, upgrade, repair your equipment. Don't try to save money & run down to Walmart & pickup networking gear for an Enterprise Setup......not gonna work the greatest.
Man o man, this job is a mess. I'm surprised anything actually works well enough to allow day to day business to be done.....
Your my hero for doing a job like this by yourself. I'd have a crew of at least 3 out with me, lol.
Cheers, A
I'm really curious about the circumstances surrounding why you weren't able to finish this. It looks like you were doing a fantastic job.
Question and this might be obvious but do you hold an electrical license?
a quistion: power outlet at flor hight ?? i had mountet that high, and in the top with the ethernet cabels.. an not tripping over it
How much do you make on every job
These videos are so satisfying, but fuck. I'd never have the patience to deal with those messes!
That was amazing - You've gained a sub :)
Great job. Looks like a fun one to be hands on.
Oh it definitely was a fun project!
What a NIGHTMARE! @FiberNinja when you go into these places, is there any IT staff at all? At what point do you disperse the network out of a single room?
Not having an IT "staff" is usually the cause of situations like this. Most small business have absolutely no budget / need for a full-time or even part-time IT staff.
And as far as "single room" networking goes, it is the goal I always aim for. If I have to pull a few new lines to make it happen, I'd rather have every line be a "home run" than have multiple switches spread all over the building.
Okay in an earthquake that's going to be coming down. I love that bit
Wait what else do you call them?
hello can I close what you need 2 network cards in a server
@00:13:30 just curious why not go with a suspended cable tray?
It was in the plans actually. I was going to rig a ladder rack from the ceiling to the cabinet but didn't get the chance. At the time of that shot, the cabinet was still being moved around that room as equipment was being added or removed. It was a necessary step in the transition but I ABSOLUTELY intended to ultimately arrive at a proper cable support structure!
whoa... I don't even network but even i could see the wildnes that was wild in that server room.
Where do you buy your pre-made ethernet patch cables from?
Usually Monoprice. At least, that what he's mentioned in other videos.
How did he comb the cables without disconnect and cut it? Or did he actually cut it? I hv this problem in the office.
This 13:38 turned into this 17:10
Cable combing is a bit of an art than a science. There are a few tricks for pulling it off that I gained from working with fiber cabling but now that you mention it, I've never really talked much about the process of cleaning up a bundle like I did here. I will make sure I dedicate some near future content to this very subject. Thanks for the idea!
Oh. Thank you! I'll watch it for sure because still don't know how you did in those timestamps I mention. I'm working in a hotel where we have 6 rooms like that.
wonder how many miles of CAT5E that is
What you started off with is the culmination of 100 field nation tech visits.
Ha! I actually worked through Field Nation for a bit...
Whut do you do whit the old blue spaghetti
Wonderful work!
I would love to see you setup a network for the first time, eg in a brand new building. your fixes on other peoples setups is good but one from day one would be great to see
I would too! I never get the chance. I'm usually the one that gets called when things go horribly wrong...
You don’t need the att fiber media converter. I run direct fiber to my firewall.
"I'd prefer a conveyance system that isnt gonna eat my cables"
well that was a cool experience thanks for making this. :)
I really wonder how much do you charge for a project like this? For sorting that our other thank skills/knowledge you also need lots of patience and nerves of steel!
You called it a "Media converter", but I call it a "Multiplexer". Also, why use a cabinet? Seems like you will have more heat issues, especially with the hot air exhaust of the server facing the equipment on the patch panel side. Now if you installed proper heat shields and fans, it would solve that problem.
I don't mind using keystone jacks, you can get 48-port keystone panels. Those looked to be a cheap keystone style, but the ones we use are a bitch to get out once snapped in.
Hey brother, are you in LA?
AWESOME WORK
just got a heart attack from thse punch down blocks
I would've probably color coded the jumper cables so I would know what kind of device is being used, VoIP phones, Wifi, Ethernet, Security, etc. just to make it easier on future maintenance
Yeah, for a converged network like this, that may be a good idea but also note that the VOIP phone at the far end is also a network switch so it could be passing traffic on to the desktop workstation too.
I know it's a bit low-brow to ask, but how much does a job like this pay? Was it for the whole job + incidentals or were you paid by the hour? Just wondering.
I don't think it's necessarily a low-brow question to ask. Mind you, this was several years ago now and I'm not nearly as fresh to this business as I once was. I'd also say I don't think I am the best at managing my business when compared to many here. I may be a good tech but not so good with money! All that said, I think this project wound up around $20K USD. It was broken into 3 categories of work. There were initial visits to simply get their system up and running properly, break into their router which had been password protected by the previous admin and then left, there were several major networking bottlenecks that needed to be found and fixed to get the most performance out of their current broadband, etc. The second phase was the work you see in this video which took about 6 months from start to finish. Along with that were unrelated repairs and tasks they needed done (those were billed on an hourly basis). Phases 1 and 2 were fixed fee projects.
@@FiberNinjaStudios well, it can be considered tacky to talk about money.