I definitely like this list and will try it out. Some cards I think could be added are another tm devo which I think really helps against matchups like zard and Roxanne as a late game disruption card. Maybe take an iono out for Roxanne?
roxanne could be good, I focused on streamlining it more for this build but roxanne is definitely a great option to have. 2nd devo could be good, but I don't think it's necessary, 2nd devo feels more necessary in the Froslass build.
@@ongaard feels like you could still find some plays for 1 right? If there’s Manaphy and something else on their bench that’s useful, wouldn’t you catch somebody sending Manaphy?
@@culbycc17 that's true. baiting them into sending up manaphy with bundle would lead to a cologne play. But you need to make sure you don't let them know you have cologne. Cause if you grab cologne + bundle off irida, they'll know what you're going for.
So I'm new to the game but isn't that first attack just unbelievably good? One energy for 170 AND a free tutor is unreal to me. How is this not a top tier contender? I assume it's just because the evolution line is weird to fit into fighting decks, but idk.
The issue with it is just damage output. Which is why we play ursaluna bloodmoon for the late game. But the deck is incredibly specific. Dragapult is a bit better for its middle stage being a draw engine and having more flexibility in its spread. But this + radiant tsareena is good into that archetype.
That's not exactly the issue, because Zard is currently bdif and is also a stage 2 that needs candy, and this runs the same engine. Damage output is the main limiting factor.
@@ongaard Ursaluna with double turbo energy and waiting till opponent gets 3 prizes to do 220 is much slower than equipping max belt turn one to do 220 and tutor a card imo. I’d rather just equip max belt in this deck specifically because the first attack is good.
@@Thishandleisnt_availablemax belt would be useless against everything except chien pao. U do more damage but it doesnt change the fact that u Need to attack two times.
I definitely like this list and will try it out. Some cards I think could be added are another tm devo which I think really helps against matchups like zard and Roxanne as a late game disruption card. Maybe take an iono out for Roxanne?
roxanne could be good, I focused on streamlining it more for this build but roxanne is definitely a great option to have. 2nd devo could be good, but I don't think it's necessary, 2nd devo feels more necessary in the Froslass build.
@@ongaard ye, makes sense with the devo. It mainly just helps in the charizard matchup and maybe mirror match, but nothing else
I need to use this deck
Its a ton of fun to play
I cant wait to try out Greninja
Try out Greninja with Froslass. It snipes engines and weapons relevant Pokemon to one shot range or barrage range
Yeah Ive been playing that one as well. It does have a shakier pult matchup but I still love the deck
Shakier? I would think it’s better just due to the second stage having 100 hp and an ability
Can you make a profile for the froslass version?
I'll probably get around to it, I have a few other decks I'd like to cover first.
Thoughts on an iron bundle to give you another free gust for Manaphy/the second attack?
They likely wouldnt send up manaphy so I dont think its as worth it in this deck
@@ongaard oh duh I forgot they choose
@@culbycc17 if you got to choose you'd see bundle as a 4of in some decks
@@ongaard feels like you could still find some plays for 1 right? If there’s Manaphy and something else on their bench that’s useful, wouldn’t you catch somebody sending Manaphy?
@@culbycc17 that's true. baiting them into sending up manaphy with bundle would lead to a cologne play. But you need to make sure you don't let them know you have cologne. Cause if you grab cologne + bundle off irida, they'll know what you're going for.
So I'm new to the game but isn't that first attack just unbelievably good? One energy for 170 AND a free tutor is unreal to me. How is this not a top tier contender? I assume it's just because the evolution line is weird to fit into fighting decks, but idk.
Yeahs it pretty good but it’s a stage 3 evolution
The issue with it is just damage output. Which is why we play ursaluna bloodmoon for the late game. But the deck is incredibly specific.
Dragapult is a bit better for its middle stage being a draw engine and having more flexibility in its spread. But this + radiant tsareena is good into that archetype.
That's not exactly the issue, because Zard is currently bdif and is also a stage 2 that needs candy, and this runs the same engine. Damage output is the main limiting factor.
@@ongaard Ursaluna with double turbo energy and waiting till opponent gets 3 prizes to do 220 is much slower than equipping max belt turn one to do 220 and tutor a card imo. I’d rather just equip max belt in this deck specifically because the first attack is good.
@@Thishandleisnt_availablemax belt would be useless against everything except chien pao. U do more damage but it doesnt change the fact that u Need to attack two times.
I gotta stick bravery charms on my bibarels smh
but they're evolutions so that wouldn't work :v
Double manaphy would protect them though.