UPDATE: A viewer has pointed out that while the original Peak Design phone case is indeed waterproof, its partial nylon outer construction may allow water to accumulate there. This means that although the phone remains protected if the case gets wet and is placed in a pocket, it may transfer the moisture. Considering the case's high cost, I'm not certain it's worth purchasing. However, my overall opinion remains unchanged: the inexpensive Peak Design alternative with an attached phone is attractive, user-friendly, secure, and affordable. For iPhone users, I also can suggest the Sincetop mount or SP connect. In my view, the Quad Lock is unappealing and difficult to operate, but ultimately the decision is up to you. Cheers.
@@dsmpampis nope, what I tested here wasn't original Peak Design. Only the phone case was. That was the cheap PD compatible stuff from aliexpress, Can't find it now though, I guess PD was trying to get it down. There is sth similar here: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006195242406.html it might fit PD cases but not sure if it does
Excellent video, the content, the presentation and your style are some of the best I've seen for these particular phone mounts. I appreciate that you mention the cheap chinese alternatives mount to the expensive Peak Design mount and how they are compatible with each other and also the parts from Quad Lock. I am considering the Peak Design mount and the Mous Intralock which uses an almost identical quick attach/release locking mechanism. Since you've done such an extensive research on phone mounts, do you have any experience with the Mous Intralock?
Hi, good video as always, however the test you did for dampers is not very representative, so you cannot assess their performance based on it. It all depends on resonance of optical system in your phone and natural frequencies of the bike you are using and transmissibility of road profile to the phone especially with potholes. So it would be actually much better to use phone accelerometer to measure what vibrations are going to the phone from the road (can be the old one, but with mass adjusted to the new one), so you can see what are the natural frequencies, and which frequencies are damped and also you can see how big G force do you have when you hit a pothole. Phyphox app should be capable to do that. Then the missing bit is the resonance frequencies of the optical system which you need to avoid, but maybe someone here will be able to give as some value. Still you can compare G force from pothole which may be the most harmful for optical system
Yes of course it would be better to do it in the lab, with the proper equipment. I don't agree that the app would give you any better info. App test would just give you the movement of the phone, while my test was intended to show in reality if the vibrations are passing through. And it did just that. It showed clearly that some or even most of the vibrations are passing to the phones. Do what you want with that information - it's up to you ;) PS. as far as I know it's not the potholes which kill the phone optics but certain frequencies of the vibrations. That's what I saw phone producers claim. For this very reason, you don't have vibration dampeners for bicycles, just for motorcycles. So you might look for more scientific tests and data, but I will tell you what - don't use your phone on the motorcycle if you value your camera. Or at least know the risk. Cheers.
That Peak Designs one looks really neat, especially the official one with built in dampening. I have QuadLock on all my bikes, it does the job, but is fiddly to attach the phone.
Informative video. Did buy a quadlick before seeing this as would have bought something else. If sticky pad no good what should it be replaced with. My phone not supported with a case.
Bought a sincetop. No flimsy plastic & locking mechanism locks device in place securely. Disappointed with the vibration dampening test result! Happy I did not get the quad lock.
Przeszkadza mi trochę czepianie się kolorów a bardziej interesował by mnie test już na samej kierownicy motocykla niż improwizacja w postaci maszynki do strzyżenia. Zdecydowanie brakuje części motocyklowej.
1. Mi i paru innym jeżdżącym klasykami te kolory przeszkadzają. 2. Mocowanie na kierownicy stabilizuje uchwyt, przez co test wymagałby pomiarów czułym wibrometrem. Sorry, nie posiadam. Moja metoda udowadnia jedynie albo aż, transfer wibracji z podstawy uchwytu, na telefon. Zrób z tą wiedzą co chcesz. Pozdr
Nope, I only tested those which in my opinion look good. Cliqr does not I think. The only mount which is not looking well in my comparison is Quad Lock but it's the most common so decided to include it. Cheers.
Hello from Greece.I have a question and i want your opinion.I m hoing to purchase a simcetop mount fory motorcycle and i would like to know if the hamdlebar rings are rubber or plastic.I want to avoid scratches and i think rubber is more secure .Thank you
Any chance the vibration dampener from either the SP connect or the Sincetop can be fitted to the chinese Peak Design mount that doesn't have a vibration dampener?
@@UncleLongbeard I found some photos showing the vibration dampener for the SinceTop, it seems that it is screwed to the SinceTop locking cylinder. Do you know if it can be easily unscrewed or is are the two parts permanently screwed together.
I personally wouldn't use anything but the quad lock mount as it is a complete system. You CAN put it on one handed (if you are dextrous), there is a sturdier metal Version (at more cost) and in addition, you can have USB charging, wireless charging, magnetic mounts, cases for popular phones, lots of different mount types and just about anything else you can think of.
@@UncleLongbeard Ha, do you? I feel a video Riposte coming on... (might be some while tho' when I've got all the other cr@p sorted out... 🤔) Pistols at Dawn(ish)...
@@CornishMotorcycleDiaries jokes aside I think those mounts are all good but the QL looks the worst and it was the most difficult to use. Loads of accessories though
I have been sent one recently. I have never trusted phone mounts on the whole purely due to the vibration and what it will do to my camera on my phone which I use alot for filming TH-cam videos. I'll try mine and see what I think 👍🍻
Yep, same here. Loosing a handy camera in the middle of bike trip is not good at all;) I tested a dedicated sat nav for some time, but even the cheapest rugged phone is faster so that's my conclusion ;)
I was looking into a mount for the phone, but felt like my phone is not needed to look at. Rather buy a navigation system if I want one rather then my really expensive phone. Just my opinion. Great video
I've found I don't really _need_ to see the screen. It turns out that having been happily married for 25 years in March, I'm quite naturally now just used to listening to a nice lady tell me what to do all the time. So, I just ride with my not very expensive Android phone in my shirt pocket, and the nice Google Directions Gal lets me know over the headphones where to turn and when with plenty of advance notice. When on longish tours I do have a little magnetic tank bag handy for easy-to-grab-from-the-saddle necessaries with a see-through pocket on top for a phone or "old school" folding map, but I usually ride without the tank bag up there. If you really want a decent GPS for a bike though, I've heard great things about the Beeline brand offerings. Some of the fancier new models of Royal Enfield come with a phone-linked navigation doodad called "The Tripper" (which oddly is slang in German for gonorrhea and just as popular). It seems Enfield rushed it into production though they hadn't quite shaken out all the bugs. Disconnections are frequent and one cannot yet even designate miles or feet be used instead of kilometers and meters. Accordingly, many "Tripper sufferers" have since happily upgraded to that Beeline system. Me? I don't need one. I'm still nursing along an elderly Bullet 500 single, basically an "engineering fossil" like your Graddaddy's bike. But you youngsters carry on! I'll get there eventually.
I was doing the same as you with a phone voice in my intercom plus on the bag, claiming it's the best option ;) Until I went to a few complicated junctions... I tested Beeline and it's OK, except at least 2x overpriced and not even giving you a speed camera warning. The tripper test is on my channel - that navi had a good potential but RE decided somehow not to invest in proper developers as the app is buggy and same as Beeline without speed camera warning and also no GPX files. So, yes, you can claim whatever you want, even that you prefer a horse over bloody 'new school' carriages, but it doesn't change the fact - that if you want a proper map navigation with good junction info, use of preplanned gpx files and speed camera warnings - there is nothing like the phone on your bars. Yes, it's not old school, yes, it's not the best looking thing on your bike but it is the best option for the money. And stop these bollocks about 'the youngsters' my friend. I rode many miles on my bullet 500, I currently ride BSA A10 from '59 and a few other old-school bikes. There is nothing wrong with even paper map sometimes but it's also good to have an exact location and some warning about the blue guys in the hood ;) And me myself being happily married for 23 years - I would say - it's still better to look at my wife, rather than listen to her on my bike ;) CHeers buddy
@@UncleLongbeard 23 years, and happy! I loved to hear that. I did 14 with my first and 9 with my second. Got fat and unhappy with both. So guess I have done 23 years too. Anyways, love the channel, and the entertainment you put out. Thank you for keeping it interesting. As for the phone attachment, I keep it in my pocket and go on memory. I did see today that Beeline, and find it for around 150 used to 175 new. Thinking for as much as I would use one, it might be worth a shot. And take it off easily and have it for both bikes. First I need to fix my back as scheduled to have a diskectomy on Feb 21. Been a while since I rode. About three months , lost most of my strength in left leg quads, so keeping up the bike with my left leg is unsure. Keep up with this stuff, love it as a 100 percent biker.
@@BilgemasterBill I like old school. Old school maps are the way to go. Even though I don't use them much as I look at the phone and ride and the stop and look again if I get lost. Bit thats what makes life fun. Thanks for taking the time to write this. I feel like when I write these posts, no one reads them. Enjoy
My choice is a rock form mount with anti vibration dumpener, not represented in your video. Three years on my shaking Road King 103 TC and my phone camera stabilisation is still alive 😅
It's not available in the UK as far as I can see but I don't think it's much different than the others here in terms of vibration dampening. What I suspect is that even your engine looks like it's shaking all over, it's rubber mounted so there is not many vibrations transferred to the handlebars while riding. That fact plus a bit of dampening in the phone mount - it's sorting the problem out... Or you are just a lucky bastard :D Cheers mate
Thank you for the review. But I believe the dampener test was not accurate as the point of the vibration was below your hand holding the mount. So if the vibration point will be above the hand you might get a different result.
But of course. it would pass even more vibrations. What would be the conclusion then? But that doesn't matter. The only conclusion in every case will be the same... It can still let some vibrations pass. Use it at your own risk if you want...
This isn't actually a fair test of the vibration dampening. If the phone is doing it's job really well, it will compensate for the vibrations to stabilize the video, making it look like the mount dampeners are doing their job. I'd like to see a test that just measures the vibration going into the mount and the vibrations at the phone mount end. I don't know how that's done and this video does shed some light on the subject. Personally, I mounted a dampening mount and a hard mount and just touched both while riding. I couldn't detect any difference in how they felt and therefore concluded that dampening mounts are a marketing gimmick. I suspect that somewhere around 80% dampening is required to be effective, not some indiscernible amount, but I'd like to have some actual hard data to back that up.
The phone has not doing any stabilization as the phone I used for the test has no stabilisation whatsoever. Therefore it is showing how many of those vibrations are getting to the phone. So in fact those dampeners are helping in a VERY limited way.
Finally someone shows the true about thats mount bullshit. In my opinion mobile phone is not good at all for bike. Action cam or gps for bike but not a mobile phone. Great review!
We cannot recommend QuikLock any more highly. Really happy with it and works great for us. Really great video. Found you through @Exeter Rider Live. New Sub. Thank you for sharing.
I'm pretty sure it's a good mount but there's a risk for your phone camera still. Just worth to know. But anyways, glad to see you here. Thanks for the sub.
UPDATE: A viewer has pointed out that while the original Peak Design phone case is indeed waterproof, its partial nylon outer construction may allow water to accumulate there. This means that although the phone remains protected if the case gets wet and is placed in a pocket, it may transfer the moisture. Considering the case's high cost, I'm not certain it's worth purchasing. However, my overall opinion remains unchanged: the inexpensive Peak Design alternative with an attached phone is attractive, user-friendly, secure, and affordable. For iPhone users, I also can suggest the Sincetop mount or SP connect. In my view, the Quad Lock is unappealing and difficult to operate, but ultimately the decision is up to you. Cheers.
Ok I think after your review I’m gonna buy the Sincetop and not the peak design. The sincetop is cost almost 1/3 of the price.
@@dsmpampis the original peak design is ridiculously expensive. I wouldn't buy it either.
@UncleLongbeard what is the Inexpensive Peak Design? Do you mean since top?
@@dsmpampis nope, what I tested here wasn't original Peak Design. Only the phone case was. That was the cheap PD compatible stuff from aliexpress, Can't find it now though, I guess PD was trying to get it down. There is sth similar here: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006195242406.html
it might fit PD cases but not sure if it does
@UncleLongbeard thanks a lot for your review and help. I think I’m gonna stick with the Sincetop. Thx again!
Excellent video, the content, the presentation and your style are some of the best I've seen for these particular phone mounts. I appreciate that you mention the cheap chinese alternatives mount to the expensive Peak Design mount and how they are compatible with each other and also the parts from Quad Lock. I am considering the Peak Design mount and the Mous Intralock which uses an almost identical quick attach/release locking mechanism. Since you've done such an extensive research on phone mounts, do you have any experience with the Mous Intralock?
Mous is good as I heard but I hate those green colours
Hi, good video as always, however the test you did for dampers is not very representative, so you cannot assess their performance based on it. It all depends on resonance of optical system in your phone and natural frequencies of the bike you are using and transmissibility of road profile to the phone especially with potholes. So it would be actually much better to use phone accelerometer to measure what vibrations are going to the phone from the road (can be the old one, but with mass adjusted to the new one), so you can see what are the natural frequencies, and which frequencies are damped and also you can see how big G force do you have when you hit a pothole. Phyphox app should be capable to do that. Then the missing bit is the resonance frequencies of the optical system which you need to avoid, but maybe someone here will be able to give as some value. Still you can compare G force from pothole which may be the most harmful for optical system
Yes of course it would be better to do it in the lab, with the proper equipment. I don't agree that the app would give you any better info. App test would just give you the movement of the phone, while my test was intended to show in reality if the vibrations are passing through. And it did just that. It showed clearly that some or even most of the vibrations are passing to the phones. Do what you want with that information - it's up to you ;)
PS. as far as I know it's not the potholes which kill the phone optics but certain frequencies of the vibrations. That's what I saw phone producers claim. For this very reason, you don't have vibration dampeners for bicycles, just for motorcycles. So you might look for more scientific tests and data, but I will tell you what - don't use your phone on the motorcycle if you value your camera. Or at least know the risk. Cheers.
Hey Uncle, great video thanks. Prayers Flying for safe travels
That Peak Designs one looks really neat, especially the official one with built in dampening. I have QuadLock on all my bikes, it does the job, but is fiddly to attach the phone.
True, PD does looks good indeed. That Sincetop is a good one as well.
any solution for tape replacement ? by the way great video.
original 3m vhb from Amazon
Informative video. Did buy a quadlick before seeing this as would have bought something else. If sticky pad no good what should it be replaced with. My phone not supported with a case.
Nothing wrong with the sticky pads but those used on chinese mounts are not trustworthy. Just go on amazon and buy original double sided 3M VHB pad.
Cheers I owe you a beer.
Bought a sincetop. No flimsy plastic & locking mechanism locks device in place securely. Disappointed with the vibration dampening test result! Happy I did not get the quad lock.
Good choice, the Sincetop is way better looking and way better made than QL. Unfortunately all those dampeners are not completely safe
Przeszkadza mi trochę czepianie się kolorów a bardziej interesował by mnie test już na samej kierownicy motocykla niż improwizacja w postaci maszynki do strzyżenia. Zdecydowanie brakuje części motocyklowej.
1. Mi i paru innym jeżdżącym klasykami te kolory przeszkadzają. 2. Mocowanie na kierownicy stabilizuje uchwyt, przez co test wymagałby pomiarów czułym wibrometrem. Sorry, nie posiadam. Moja metoda udowadnia jedynie albo aż, transfer wibracji z podstawy uchwytu, na telefon. Zrób z tą wiedzą co chcesz. Pozdr
What about Oxford cliqr did you have opportunities to check that one ?
Nope, I only tested those which in my opinion look good. Cliqr does not I think. The only mount which is not looking well in my comparison is Quad Lock but it's the most common so decided to include it. Cheers.
Hello from Greece.I have a question and i want your opinion.I m hoing to purchase a simcetop mount fory motorcycle and i would like to know if the hamdlebar rings are rubber or plastic.I want to avoid scratches and i think rubber is more secure .Thank you
Don't remember for sure but remember they were better quality than the others so I don't think it's cheap plastic
@@UncleLongbeard thank you my friend !
Any chance the vibration dampener from either the SP connect or the Sincetop can be fitted to the chinese Peak Design mount that doesn't have a vibration dampener?
nope, it is different
@@UncleLongbeard I found some photos showing the vibration dampener for the SinceTop, it seems that it is screwed to the SinceTop locking cylinder. Do you know if it can be easily unscrewed or is are the two parts permanently screwed together.
@@nikolaosberatlis3942 I don't have a clue
I like your method of tidying up 😁
😎🤟 just don't try it at home 😜
@@UncleLongbeard I think the positive aspects of that form of tidying would be lost on the boss-lady, so you’re right, I won’t be trying it at home 😁
I personally wouldn't use anything but the quad lock mount as it is a complete system. You CAN put it on one handed (if you are dextrous), there is a sturdier metal Version (at more cost) and in addition, you can have USB charging, wireless charging, magnetic mounts, cases for popular phones, lots of different mount types and just about anything else you can think of.
Each to their own but in my opinion it's the worst of the bunch
@@UncleLongbeard Ha, do you? I feel a video Riposte coming on... (might be some while tho' when I've got all the other cr@p sorted out... 🤔) Pistols at Dawn(ish)...
@@CornishMotorcycleDiaries jokes aside I think those mounts are all good but the QL looks the worst and it was the most difficult to use. Loads of accessories though
I have been sent one recently. I have never trusted phone mounts on the whole purely due to the vibration and what it will do to my camera on my phone which I use alot for filming TH-cam videos. I'll try mine and see what I think 👍🍻
Yep, same here. Loosing a handy camera in the middle of bike trip is not good at all;) I tested a dedicated sat nav for some time, but even the cheapest rugged phone is faster so that's my conclusion ;)
I was looking into a mount for the phone, but felt like my phone is not needed to look at. Rather buy a navigation system if I want one rather then my really expensive phone. Just my opinion. Great video
Navigation is 300ish. New rugged waterproof phone starts at 120. That's my answer to that
I've found I don't really _need_ to see the screen. It turns out that having been happily married for 25 years in March, I'm quite naturally now just used to listening to a nice lady tell me what to do all the time. So, I just ride with my not very expensive Android phone in my shirt pocket, and the nice Google Directions Gal lets me know over the headphones where to turn and when with plenty of advance notice. When on longish tours I do have a little magnetic tank bag handy for easy-to-grab-from-the-saddle necessaries with a see-through pocket on top for a phone or "old school" folding map, but I usually ride without the tank bag up there. If you really want a decent GPS for a bike though, I've heard great things about the Beeline brand offerings. Some of the fancier new models of Royal Enfield come with a phone-linked navigation doodad called "The Tripper" (which oddly is slang in German for gonorrhea and just as popular). It seems Enfield rushed it into production though they hadn't quite shaken out all the bugs. Disconnections are frequent and one cannot yet even designate miles or feet be used instead of kilometers and meters. Accordingly, many "Tripper sufferers" have since happily upgraded to that Beeline system. Me? I don't need one. I'm still nursing along an elderly Bullet 500 single, basically an "engineering fossil" like your Graddaddy's bike. But you youngsters carry on! I'll get there eventually.
I was doing the same as you with a phone voice in my intercom plus on the bag, claiming it's the best option ;) Until I went to a few complicated junctions... I tested Beeline and it's OK, except at least 2x overpriced and not even giving you a speed camera warning. The tripper test is on my channel - that navi had a good potential but RE decided somehow not to invest in proper developers as the app is buggy and same as Beeline without speed camera warning and also no GPX files. So, yes, you can claim whatever you want, even that you prefer a horse over bloody 'new school' carriages, but it doesn't change the fact - that if you want a proper map navigation with good junction info, use of preplanned gpx files and speed camera warnings - there is nothing like the phone on your bars. Yes, it's not old school, yes, it's not the best looking thing on your bike but it is the best option for the money. And stop these bollocks about 'the youngsters' my friend. I rode many miles on my bullet 500, I currently ride BSA A10 from '59 and a few other old-school bikes. There is nothing wrong with even paper map sometimes but it's also good to have an exact location and some warning about the blue guys in the hood ;) And me myself being happily married for 23 years - I would say - it's still better to look at my wife, rather than listen to her on my bike ;) CHeers buddy
@@UncleLongbeard 23 years, and happy! I loved to hear that. I did 14 with my first and 9 with my second. Got fat and unhappy with both. So guess I have done 23 years too. Anyways, love the channel, and the entertainment you put out. Thank you for keeping it interesting. As for the phone attachment, I keep it in my pocket and go on memory. I did see today that Beeline, and find it for around 150 used to 175 new. Thinking for as much as I would use one, it might be worth a shot. And take it off easily and have it for both bikes. First I need to fix my back as scheduled to have a diskectomy on Feb 21. Been a while since I rode. About three months , lost most of my strength in left leg quads, so keeping up the bike with my left leg is unsure. Keep up with this stuff, love it as a 100 percent biker.
@@BilgemasterBill I like old school. Old school maps are the way to go. Even though I don't use them much as I look at the phone and ride and the stop and look again if I get lost. Bit thats what makes life fun. Thanks for taking the time to write this. I feel like when I write these posts, no one reads them. Enjoy
This is great info. thank you!
My choice is a rock form mount with anti vibration dumpener, not represented in your video. Three years on my shaking Road King 103 TC and my phone camera stabilisation is still alive 😅
It's not available in the UK as far as I can see but I don't think it's much different than the others here in terms of vibration dampening. What I suspect is that even your engine looks like it's shaking all over, it's rubber mounted so there is not many vibrations transferred to the handlebars while riding. That fact plus a bit of dampening in the phone mount - it's sorting the problem out... Or you are just a lucky bastard :D Cheers mate
But so expensive 😢
Thank you for the review. But I believe the dampener test was not accurate as the point of the vibration was below your hand holding the mount. So if the vibration point will be above the hand you might get a different result.
But of course. it would pass even more vibrations. What would be the conclusion then? But that doesn't matter. The only conclusion in every case will be the same... It can still let some vibrations pass. Use it at your own risk if you want...
This isn't actually a fair test of the vibration dampening. If the phone is doing it's job really well, it will compensate for the vibrations to stabilize the video, making it look like the mount dampeners are doing their job. I'd like to see a test that just measures the vibration going into the mount and the vibrations at the phone mount end. I don't know how that's done and this video does shed some light on the subject. Personally, I mounted a dampening mount and a hard mount and just touched both while riding. I couldn't detect any difference in how they felt and therefore concluded that dampening mounts are a marketing gimmick. I suspect that somewhere around 80% dampening is required to be effective, not some indiscernible amount, but I'd like to have some actual hard data to back that up.
The phone has not doing any stabilization as the phone I used for the test has no stabilisation whatsoever. Therefore it is showing how many of those vibrations are getting to the phone. So in fact those dampeners are helping in a VERY limited way.
I think the Ram X mount is the best, it looks horrible🤣 but the rubber is the best vibration protection
Not really. There's a rubber in each of the mounts I tested. So X mount is both ugly and dangerous to your phone
@@UncleLongbeard yes I also think nothing is certain
@@miaumeow7726 you might be a lucky one, sure 😎
Finally someone shows the true about thats mount bullshit.
In my opinion mobile phone is not good at all for bike.
Action cam or gps for bike but not a mobile phone.
Great review!
LOL RIP BMW
Gave up watching after 3 minutes.
that's fantastic
We cannot recommend QuikLock any more highly. Really happy with it and works great for us. Really great video. Found you through @Exeter Rider Live. New Sub. Thank you for sharing.
I'm pretty sure it's a good mount but there's a risk for your phone camera still. Just worth to know. But anyways, glad to see you here. Thanks for the sub.