Epic Wisconsin Engine Total Rebuild
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
- In another chapter of Taryl's Bolen's Ridemaster Restoration, Taryl tackles the Wisconsin engine that's on it. At first he thought it only needed a few gaskets and maybe some seals but of course there's always a lot more to it once you start digging into it. So Taryl decided to basically fully rebuild the engine and show you viewers at home how he did it. So sit back and learn from the master himself, Taryl Dactal! And as always, There's Your Dinner!!
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My grandfather was an engineer for Wisconsin Engines when they merged with Continental Motors in the 1960’s. They manufactured many specialty small engines inside of the International Harvester Heavy Equipment plant in Melrose Park Illinois in the part of the factory that used to manufacture International Harvester’s residential refrigerators and freezers for Sears Roebuck. To this day, I know they still have a massive but non-maintained warehouse inventory of Wisconsin-Wisconsin Robin motor parts and motors which was purchased and then abandoned by Suburu Automobile corporation around 2005. Also, I worked at the Wisconsin motor assembly plant in Melrose Park for a brief few years in the 60’s after college. Wisconsin motors were built to last indefinitely with little or no maintenance. All their engines and parts were designed, manufactured and assembled in-house. FYI, the lifter were offset to promote spinning and even wear at higher RPM’s. Common in piston-aircraft engines which International Harvester also manufactured for Ryan Aeronautical a division of Continental Motors at that time. I love your TH-cam videos.
That’s cool 😎
Bet he could teach us everything about them
I was 16 working at tractor MF dealership and my dad closed his shop so I knew how to overhaul them and got the job Asap
Nice bit of history of these engines.
A Wisconsin Engine was a tough well built engine back in the cast iron engine days .You have done a Great job saving a piece of American History ...
@@JM-yx1lm some still do(hard to find). but I agree. Unfortunately people vote with their wallet and buy the cheapest crap.
i have 2 wisconsin motors one is on a 1953 original snapping turtle it has a turtle head on the front of the mower im 67 i wonder how many engines made today will still be running 67 years from now
They really don't build things the way they used to!
@@dannysapp5559 I love my old Wisconsin engines got only 2 that will run out of 6.
But ya know they are heavy, tuff and old just like me!
Well, maybe not the tuff part,
Hehehe.. Take care keep that old iron purring!
I have a TR-10D Wisconsin engine on an early 60's Bolens that I would love to get that machine running again.
Taryl, an old mechanic told me that the reason for the offset alignment of the valve pushrod was a crude valve rotators. He stated that even thought the springs on the valves are actually fixed to a greater degree, the cam movement and rotation would move the valves ever so slightly and prevent burn spots on the valve itself. This slight rotation would keep the valve wear consistent on the radius of the valve. This old mechanic named Snyder worked and repaired Wisconsin's engine his entire life. He swear these were the best engines made in the United States of America. A time when American manufacturing was second to none. Peace VF
Agreed, that was the thinking of the engineers on valve rotation back then…
4 rings not 3 ,made to last , when they manufactured engines to last .American made with pride .Wisconsin AKN owner . Wisconsins rock
Pretty sure I'm never gonna rebuild an engine (much less a Winsconsin engine) but watching this is a treat.
Find yourself a "FREE" lawnmower or two (my case, several) and take it carefully apart and re-assemble. If it runs, you must do the Tayrl dance. It gets to be a habit and maybe a few bucks selling the runners. Save the good parts to fill your garage. Good luck! CM
Offset is so they spin.
@@ItsMrAssholeToYou im actually looking for parts now to rebuild one, lol,. An S-8D off a old bolens tractor, do you know of a place for part's ? Im going to look on ebay tomorrow.
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Great old school advice about oil priming before full assembly, the steel ball check valve, etc.
The wisdom of grey hairs that only shows when you are long in the tooth.
And not many teeth are longer than Taryl's and that's why he can eat his dinner and serve a plate up for us.
I have to admit that as a machinist I was saying " Hey Taryl you should be using a dial indicator Taryl". By the way I love the voice that you give to your detractors and I laugh out loud every time that you mention seals and the sound effects of seals are edited in. I have been binge watching for a couple of months and my mechanical mind is sated. Thanks for sharing!
These videos are gold Taryl. I don't know what TH-cam is paying you but its not enough. I learned more in 20 minutes on how to rebuild an engine than I have in 45 years of breaking them. And who needs Hollywood? I would buy a ticket to these shows man.
These old Wisconsin engines were built to last a very LONG TIME. That old engine came out beautiful Taryl!
Good job. Like seeing the old dead stuff return to life..
Great video, a note though. Piston ring gaps do not need to be staggered in a four stroke engine. The reason is they continuously rotate around the piston and periodically line up on there own. Two stroke rings on the other hand need to be pinned to keep them from rotating and the gap getting snagged on a port. Lined up ring gaps do not allow enough compression loss or oil control problems to ever worry about (the gaps will un-align soon after the engine runs for a short while anyway).
I was introduced to this at the Briggs & Stratton service school for vocational instructors and have assembled many engines with lined up ring gaps just to prove it to people...that all said staggering ring gaps doesn't hurt anything but is unnecessary. And there's your dessert.
This is my favorite type of Taryl videos!!!!
Those old Wisconsin engines were just about bulletproof and the condition of the oil pan is proof. Nice job on the rebuild.
My 216” chevy has that characteristic for that very reason. Wisconsin L Heads just went up a notch in my book. Love the tutorials Taryl, thanks a ton. A++
Taryl, Thanks for another great vid. The Wisconsin AKN is the same as the Howard Terrier Rotavator motor built under licence here in Australia in the 50’s by Howard.
The bore and stroke is the same at 2 7/8”x 2 3/4”.HP ratings change with RPM. Howard L 4.2 HP at 2500, LH 5.2 @ 3200, your AKN 6.2 @ 3600 as you would already know. It even sounds the same.
Wisconsin AENLD motors were also built under licence here by Ronaldson Bros and Tippet up until the 60’s I think. For about 9HP they are very heavy. I have one of both these, they are good motors as you point out, very tough. A lot of parts are available here through the Howard fraternity. Jeff.
Taryl , the man with the Coalgate smile never ceases to amaze me with all the nice work he put into that engine keeping it from being another boat anchor. Good job.
Wisconsin engines with the impulse coupler makes the difference in starting eazy. This engine manufacturer has got to be the best on the market. I have one that has been working since 1951. The engine is on a self propelled lawn mower. What I am wondering is have you ever heard of a mower working for seventy years ???? Thanks Taryl. VF
That $45 crankshaft was a nice snag off fleabay! Great job Taryl and a great video...Thank You!
Your videos are so good that I’d even watch a 2hr one. So awesome. Love how you make things work as far as not having the exact tool or part.
I rebuilt an Onan P-220 once and saved a part of American History. I could have leveled the National Debt for what I had in that engine. But there is something cool saving the past over this China Junk. Nice video Taryl Jean, Blue Jean!
When a man That's worked on small engines for 40 years says the Wisconsin engine is made weird 🤨, I take his word for it .
Cork gaskets, 40 years ago I use to ride a 1953 Hogly-Davison Panhead and they used cork gaskets on the pushrod tubes and the clutch crossover shaft. Clutch cork gasket backed by washer & spring, replaced every time worked on clutch to keep oil off plates. Later model rubber seal was a perfect fit and didn't need replacing every time 🤗.
The hardest part about working on old stuff is replacement parts. Heard the term obsolete so many times I wanted to bang my head against a wall 🤕.
I have a 74 harley all my pushrod tubes are still cork. Works well
Cork seal also used on old 2 cyl JD farm tractors, crankshaft flywheel side
Thank you guys for everything such a great channel god bless you and your family
I have one of these engines that I got at an estate sale for $20.00. I'm glad I found this video to follow along on the rebuild!
Nice job! Guessing on the offset valve lifters were to rotate the valves.
I can determine no other reason Taryl would weld "pop" cans unless he was creating his own "Hillbilly tall boy". Great Video! Love those old Wisconsin engines!
Taryl thanks for your time renewing this antique engine neat to see it run again!
Love the engine builds
I rebuilt my wisconsin tra12d, and in my opinion they are some of the best engines ever built. Right up there with onan.
A Professional Job Taryl. Now take it for a victory lap. Self-satisfaction feels gooooood!
When I have loose seals. I use Loctite Bearing Mount Sticks 39150 it was made for bonding
Bushings
, Bearings, Oil seals, Ring gear bolts, Differential lock pins, Axle bearings, and Water and power steering pump pulleys to the cases. I also pour my own Babit for the crankshaft and rods.
What a beautiful rebuild I'm so proud of you
I have been through many Wisconsin Engines up to the VH 4D. They are primitive but very heavy duty and dependable. Keep your eyes on the governor weights, they were bad to break off from wear. They were designed for torque at low RPMs. Many Ditch Witch Trenchers and many Cement mixers used this engine. The Wico Magneto is very good but it is complicated.
I have a few still running.VH4D on stump grinder. Thousands of hours always runs. Starter ring gear issue s mostly.
Yep I still have my father in law back motor for his old cement mixer
I started it up about 12 years ago
Need to start it up soon
The old Lister engines were pretty durable.Last time I used one on a cement mixer was around 75 when I was young and fit.They merged with Petter which were also a good small engine.Lister/Petter merged and are still in operation but their engines are somewhat larger these days.Winsconsin are a rarity this side of the Atlantic.
Nice sounding engine. Interesting video as always. 👍
Great video of all the engines I have I've never tore far into one of the Wisconsins it's normally just points and carb. A tough dog indeed.
Pretty cool Taryl! Nice project. Thanks for the explanations during the assembly, and the "workaround" if a person doesn't have the specialty tools!
You are a true master mechanic 😎⚓️⚓️⚓️
Offset for to transfer the spin of the tappet and you will find cam ground so tappet spins as well. This is so valves don't burn
My understanding is the teryethyl lead used then left deposits on valves thus narow valve seats. Rotating the valves on a slow running engine helped chip the deposits off.
I agree offset for spinning components.
Longer life.
Tougher duty.
Babbit is generally a lead/tin mix poured into the Rod end Hot. Rule of thumb or #1 finger is 0.004" end gap per inch of bore.
Pretty sure that’s how Wisconsin would rotate the valve, their idea of valve rotation
That's exactly what I was going to say - the offset tappets / valve stems cause the valves to rotate. :)
That’s what I was thinking also
@@billymare
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Thought the same thing
Lol you beat me to the answer
Terrell watching you work, is like working with my dad 50 years ago. Thank you
Yeah I feel the same way, to shop on bicycle every day after school and a short bottle of coke coca
love them ol Wisconsin motors they are workers
Hell yeah man Krokus is kickass! Always cool seeing how older engine manufacturers were designing their motors, always something new to learn.
Love your channel. Need more junior,slippers and elk skins. Thanks for your awesome vids. Appreciate ya!
Hay if you look on ebay for Wisconsin engine. Put your model type AEH or what it is you will find all kinds of parts. There is a guy in PA. I think that has parts for a lot of them. Just wanted to let you know. I have a AEH engine I get parts no problem. And if you go to smokestack. Com it a tractor, hit miss engine sight. But there's information on Wisconsin engines also if you look on it to. Just wanted to let you know. Hope this helps. Hay Babbitt is not glued in its melted and poured in. Then you fit it to the crank. It's used in hit miss engines. Just wanted to let you know.
Hey Taryl, I think that model Wisconsin engine is what I put in my go kart when I was a kid. Sure brought back memories! Thanks for the videos
Taryl your real cool, you share good knowledge about lawmowers you cant get anywhere else, and all your guys. By the way you and slippers should take your projects to the 2020 portland antique motorbike show.
Offset tappets are to spin valve . Keep it seated . Old technology from leaded gas days
Beautiful job Taryl!!! What a awesome motor!!
And I thought my dad was a helluva buster when it came to detail work. DAMN, Tarl... that was NASTY good! LOL
Taryl to stay with the changing times.... "This ain't the Space X rocket!"
"This ain't the Starship!"
"Starship" :)
Taryl my 2 year old daughter loves witching you’re Channel all I hear all day is taryl taryl so I have to see if you post a new video every day .
My grandfather's 1962 Ariens Sno-thro has a Wisconsin engine that needs a rebuild. Tough as nails
Taryl is pure genius. If I where in the space program, I’d insist he was my rocket mechanic.
Love ya Taryl. You're great and have a good heart always trying to save the customer money. Keeps a trusting relationship with you and your customers. Very hard to come by from a mechanic. Keep the videos coming! 😊
Attention to detail and it shows! Well done! 👍🏻
Hy Taryl, what a perfect rebuild of that engine. When just searched in the internet I found these old manuals for pdf-download of all kind of types. I find this impressive because nowadays it’s almost impossible to get detailed information of parts and rebuild or repair information for new machines or engines. They keep it as a space shuttle secret 👨🚀🚀🤣 Thanks for the time you spend on teaching us grass rats 🐀 (grasshopper would be a bit mor friendly 😀). Have a good one and as always: greetings from Germany 🇩🇪, far away over the pond 🏊♂️
Good video. I haven't rebuilt a Wisconsin in 30 years but have a dozen in the basement waiting to be rebuilt. I got the gaskets sets for them from a guy in PA who claims to have thousands of NOS parts. He had a store on EPAY years ago. I'll try to get some of the engines done this winter. Thanks for the demo. Good Luck, Rick
Awesome job!! can’t to see it all done I’m interested in the friction discs as I need a similar part for my Bolems ride a matic mower.
Moon dog is right. That was Wisconsin's attempt at positive valve rotation for even wear.
Babbitt bearings are poured in place...finish machined. With this practice, you should be ready to work on old Cushman engines....visit your friendly banker to finance parts. One other thing...them cotter's lived up north, down south they are/were carter's. ..hehe!
Nice restoration of a very solid looking engine design.
I have bought a few parts from Floyd’s for an old snowblower I’m bringing back to life. Good guys!!
I set on a motor grader all day watching your videos i love them
Really enjoy your videos! Funny how these small engines endure. I recently pulled the Briggs 25 hp out of my Scott's rider. 1978 vintage. Been mowing with it for 8 years. Always hard to start and it finally developed a leak at the governor shaft seal. I decided to tear it "partially" down to replace the seal and refresh the gaskets. Once apart I found the governor had one fly weight dislodged and was laying in the sump! The valves were at three times the .006 gap. I thought it was a stump grinding monster before but with the flaws corrected it really should haul the freight. Did I mention the complete gasket set had the wrong governor seal in it? :) Correct one is on the way! By all means, keep up the good work!
Who the hell thumbs down a teryl video....
Ronnie
Those cork gaskets and seals need to be soaked before you install them. The is an absolute must. So, you need to think about which of your helpers would make the best cork soaker.
+1 on valve rotation with the off center lifters. Old VW engines are like that.
that was cool! nice job, learned a lot... most enjoyable..
Great video, thanks.
On the end play - I would just put all the gaskets in place, bolt it down, and measure teh end play. Then subtract what you need to get the proper end play.
Wisconsin engines were made for industrial applications. Meant to be run all day, every day for years and years. Anyone needing parts contact Fox Equipment Union Rd West Seneca NY. They were a major dealer years ago.
thank you i will try them
the off set on the valves is to make the valves rotate
I like it," scrappy "you shall be named! I hope you find out why the valves and lifters are offset there has to be a reason why the designers/engineers saw it a necessity!ohh wait a sec I remember someone said when I grow up im going to be an engineer, I'm going to put bolts and things in difficult places ,add more fastners than needed and place parts in oddball configurations because im an engineer !
I have a Wisconsin AB sitting on the shelf. Previous owner put it on a homemade log splitter. When I was given the splitter I took that motor and put it on the shelf to preserve it.
Nice u want to preserve it, I think she'd be content to be running something tho.
@@raymondgarafano8604 I agree, The worst thing you can do is shelf and engine, However there are steps you can take to guard against corrosion.
@@Mad_Scientist2052 Engines were built to run things, pumps, air pumps generators,
I did up a Briggs 23AFB purple with black headbolts, took al parts off wire
brushed, primed and painted, cleaned out carb, rebuilt starter solenoid...I am looking for what I think is a Wynnco Generator that goes with it. Yup these old engines can look good and still serve a use.
They should have Tarly working on the space shuttle would have been less screw ups lol 😆 Wisconsin tuff
OFF-CENTRED VALVE LIFTERS... The theory suggests...Produces even wear on both lifter and valve stem. May induce a rotation of both the lifter and the valve, the idea to produce even wear on the valve seating surface and the camshaft cam lobes....Should also dislodge carbonation if occurring at the valve seat. Thanks for the video Taryl and cheers from sunny Australia!!
when you uncovered the blick and spun it around, it looks like a computer monster😅😂👍🤣 use it for another monster intro.👍👍
Great video Wisconsin engines are Timex watches they were built to take a licking and keep on ticking. I had a minibike when I was kid and a guy who worked construction gave me an engine, long story short it was a Wisconsin Robin 6.5 hp. We found out from a local small engine shop that it was a very expensive engine and why we were putting in on a minibike lol. I tell you that minibike is still being used today with that Wisconsin Robin still running great I sold it back in 1980 and it is still riding around our neighborhood.
I only just started into your video and you mentioned rings for that AKN, Wisconsin engines of that era have been difficult to get parts for the last 40 years. I think those rings may be the same as a Chevrolet 283. Check it out, but I may be mistaken, and it may be the valves.
Taryl was the standard rod babbitt lined also. I wonder if they poured the Babbitt in the standard rod to make it .020 under?
That's a good thought. That could definitely be a possibility.
Looking really good Taryl!!!!
Purdy looking. Nice Job Sir.
Scrappy is loooking goood, Thank you for the video!!
That is really cool. I like the old stuff.
Ed Gein must have worked for them back in the day. They drove him to be a homicidal maniac.
Interesting video guys. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Another classic ep. in the books. a lot of good laughs in this one. Elk skins kinda looks like baby Yoda in that booger hoodie
Great machine, I have never seen one, and can't wait to see you driving it.
I started working on small engines when i was 12 or 13, 1978 or 79. i have rebuilt only 2 wisconsin engines in 40 years
Not sure I will ever rebuild a small engine but still watch these videos. Smallest engine I have rebuilt yet is a 2.0l 4 cyl automotive.
Taryl the consumers safety administration would have a field day if you came out with something like that now, but I think it's cool as heck!
12:39 That Engine block has seen a thing or to and its shocked haha!
Yay
Fire it up
Fire it up
Fire it up
Holy cow! That conrod is REALLY long compared to the size of the bore. You don't see that much these days. Almost a Johnny Popper ratio.
Found this video at the right time. Just picked up a machine with an AKN Wisconsin.
Nice rebuild!!
Looks good, the muffin reminds me of an "Oreo" cookie.
I really enjoy rebuilding engines.... ITs fun to take piece by piece and learn how things work and then the end result is very satisfying. It's funny, my most successful rebuilds are ones I do by common sense.... Looking for obvious wear and measuring accordingly and refreshing the necessary items. Not all elements of an engine wear the same... some areas never wear... at least to a measurable point. Through experience and common sense and a few torque specs and clearance values you can rebuild a decent end product without having to go the whole 100 yards like a manual would say.
it's the Lego man😅😀 when you put the rod in to show the offset, the lil Lego monster had a bad tooth. Too funny👍👍
The best
Mama kitty is like damn I thought it would be quiet under this old mower deck!