This video was originally just going to be an "underrated charms" video, so apologies if the tier list isn't perfect. I do see a lot of little adjustments I'd make already, but as long as it gives people a generally idea of what's good, that's cool with me. Join my discord to discuss! discord.gg/ZJmY9aH
Shape of unn makes your hit box lower which also makes it easier to dodge and if you use balder shell it makes you pretty strong and quick focus and deep focus combo with it it's super good
@@SusRing I think I’d be fair at 3 because right before a boss or if your exploring you can just wait to get to full health and max soul (max health by healing)
I've completed 5th pantheon with grimmchild and want to say that in the end he was the only one who helped me to support my mental health. Best charm, SS tier
Everyone's talking about how wayward compass is OP but underestimate the power of gathering swarm. The swarm completely devours bosses in seconds, how does everyone ignore it? It's an ez carry for the pantheon of Hallownest, S tier
summary of the video: "This charm is one of the best charms in the game... this charm is terrible, but it does have some use... at least this one's not grimchild"
they should add the "Belmont Whip" as a charm that makes the nail really long but makes your unable to equip Mark of Pride and Longnail tpo avoid being to overpowered
I had no idea that most people disliked sharp shadow. I used it for most of my play through and found it immensely helpful. I get the awkward dash length but that was only really a problem for me on platforming sections were I could just take it off before hand.
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174 keep trying! I'm going to just tell you what worked for me...I put all my health charms and went into the fight with simply the idea of dodging and playing defense. After I did that, I beat him on the second try!
@@SoutherlySoup what would the rules of the category be? Increased drop rates? Its mandatory to say it was an accident to complete the run? Play manhunt music? Cool tricks must be used?
Something that I think is worth mentioning is that lifeblood heart does have a good use tied to Grubberfly's Elegy: when taking damage with lifeblood, you don't technically lose health, so until that lifeblood is gone, you can afford to Actually take a hit or two if necessary. This fact is especially useful in the pantheons once you unlock the lifeblood cocoons, as using the following charm combo basically allows you to just walk at bosses while spamming from a distance until they die, and believe me, it WORKS. Also, one thing to especially keep in mind is that grubberfly's doesn't get rid of your regular nail hitbox nor it's damage output, so against larger foes like Failed Champion, you can actually have both hits, the nail and the elegy projectile hit, connect at once, effectively dealing 48 damage per nail swing. - Strength - Quickslash - Lifeblood heart - Elegy Honestly I've kinda become enamored with this charm loadout. It's a lot more useful than one might imagine.
Bruh. The round with "Ugly shield moth" i always change my Quick focus into Grubflies elegy. Even if that means fighting NKG with that charm. You should respect the one charm able to cheese "ugly shieled moth"
@@jevmenyt3422 I honestly use it a lot in Godhome. Granted it isn't the best against certain bosses, but for most, the build I mentioned literally shreds through bosses lol.
This made me remember the time when I was moving around in crystal area trying to up grimm child and came across myla who was infected. I literally forgot I had Grimm child with me and trying to dreamnail her trying to see what her dialogues were. But you know what happened next...
@@sophiaz2982 tbh steady body felt weird for me, yes the no knockback is nice but the knockback gives some sort of feeling that satisfies me for some reason
It’s not that you use Defender Crest to kill the blobs vs Lost Kin. It’s that it kills them automatically if they’re about to attack you about 95% of the time. This means that when you heal, they hit your stench and pop like a bubble, instead of making it almost impossible to heal. Just as Hiveblood is possibly S-tier for a beginner in White Palace, this is amazing for a beginner vs Lost Kin.
Defenders crest was the only reason I was able to beat lost kin on my first playthrough. It's the only time I used it but it's very good in that situation.
I used quick focus, deep focus, and spore shroom on it because the LK does quicker attacks and you need to heal more when you have the chance. It also makes it easier to use Desolate Dive which is really useful in that battle.
Love the Baldur Shell discussion after having watched you use it in Abs Rad! I was definitely that beginner who used up all the charges and was like "this charm sucks" lol
One other use for Heavy Blow is the Delicate Flower quest. You want enemies to stay off you as much as possible, and if you’re impatient like me (or you’re trying to deliver it to other characters that aren’t the grave), you’re gonna be encountering enemies because you didn’t clear the path beforehand. It was especially helpful when I took the flower to Oro because of all the Hoppers that respawn regardless. Heavy Blow makes dealing with them _so_ much easier, especially paired with Mark of Pride. Kingsoul also finds a niche in this quest by allowing you to stay completely at range and throw out Shade Souls without ever coming close to an enemy.
Yea, I hate how if you want grimmchild to hit something, it will blast the things outline into the wall behind it. Yet when you need him to chill, it will bullseye that shit straight between the eyes, preventing you from healing.
Very glad to see the justification for steady body. On my first playthrough with 96% completion and I've used steady body the ENTIRE game since I got it, thought about parting with it a couple times for something else, but I couldn't I just really hated the knockback restricting my movement.
that's the problem with it. once you get it on, you can't take it off if you are a new player, because you have to relearn the knockback mechanics if you do.
@Truffle Worm I have like 90hs and I always used Mark of Pride + Longnail. And now I'm changing builds and holy shit the range of the nail without this charms is so baddd I'm trying but I think I can't play without Mark of Pride :/
i can't believe i randomly chose to equip heavy blow after struggling with lost kin. the fight became so much easier afterwards and now i understand why.
The only 2 things that I don't share with this is Grimmchild being so low in D tier and Void Heart. It's true that Grimmchild has terrible aim and it's hell in Fog Canion, but it's definitely better than glowing womb against most - if not all - of the bosses where the "spawner" gimmick works well. This is because : 1) It does more damage 2) It doesn't drain soul. 3) It's devastating against Failed Champion because it's safe to spell spam when he's at the center, something that you can't do with GW So I'd put GC in C tier, just above Glowing Womb For Voidheart I understand that the effect is just... Nothing? But it IS free, so... It's free. P.S. If you're playing from PC, I'd consider modding the game (it's very easy, many tutorials on TH-cam too). Install the "Charm Overhaul" mod: what it does is basically make not very good charms better with various adjustments, create multiple new charm interactions and allow to switch between Grimmchild/Melosy and King/Void. All the info is listed in a file that you can read with Word when you install the mod.
Yeah and just for the fact that gw is needed for nothing but gc is needed for an entire quest Is say it's at least c, but ngl void heart is rlly good for 0 notches, why not s tier you lose nothing for having it
Void heart also comes at the cost of losing Kingsoul. Not that Kingsoul is particularly useful, but getting Void Heart just locks the option of using it away.
@@h2o848 Yeah he did say that so I just avoided mentioning that. It's a free thing but it's still pretty useless since you won't die a lot when you have that charm on. The only exception I can think of is Trial of The Fool, since the Pantheons don't actually "kill" you. Even less useful in Steel Soul too... But it's free.
Sharp shadow is good. Sometimes, in a fight where you’re shadow-dashing a lot (eg. traitor lord) the extra damage really builds up. Plus, sometimes when you have a low health, high powered enemy (eg. last phase sly), it’s safer to just shade- cloak through it a bunch to whittle down most of its health so you can tank a few hits at the end. The extra length can actually help a lot if you get used to it, it can let you dash through stuff you might not have been able to before (eg. failed champ). Plus only two charm notches is not bad for free, safe nail hits at your leisure.
Dreamshield does the same damage when dashing through an enemy, while also providing defensive utility against projectile attacks. Both charms take 4 notches to get the increased damage from their charm combo (Sharp Shadow + Dashmaster, Dreamshield + Dream Wielder) the dream set-up having the better upsides imo with the same per hit damage. TLDR: Sharp Shadow & Dreamshield are actually pretty similar and Dreamshield is only D tier if viewed as an entirely defensive charm.
I used it with pure vessel and man it’s good. It runs around so much that I can’t catch up to it to deal nail damage, and dashing through it to deal hits in is a very good strat for me. But then again I don’t speedrun so I wouldn’t need to worry about the length of the fight
Joni’s Blessing is good when you’re in a fight that is very difficult or impossible to heal in. In that case, it pretty much gives you extra hits when you couldn’t heal anyway.
I remember being in the early-game of my first playthrough, couldn't wait to find whichever charm let me swing my nail faster. I would have gladly given up even five notches to be able to do that. I'm certainly glad I didn't have to, but there were few moments that felt singularly better than putting on quick slash for the first time and swinging to my heart's content
Thorns of Agony is a crutch charm and I LOVE IT. It's perfect in places like Waterways if you're having trouble with those little things that dart at you on sight so you don't get swarmed to death, especially when you fall into the water. In exchange for being a 1-notch crutch, you gain no soul from the damage. It's probably not meant to be used professionally, especially if you have good timing and recovery.
Did you know that in Waterways, those tiny baby flukes can't actually hit you more than once if you just don't move? Their turning radius is too wide, they just swarm around you and don't touch you unless you move quickly, so if they hit you, just stop moving, wait for them to get close, and hit them easy with tonnes of time to spare. The moment you move quickly they'll be all over you, and if there is a straight path to you they'll almost certainly hit you the first time they go for you, but it's hilarious how much damage you can negate by not moving, especially if you make them take an indirect path to get to you, like by just standing on a high platform in the Flukemarm fight. You can have like ten of them swarming around you without touching you at all. Eventually one will hit, but you have tonnes of time to lash out at the ones who get close.
I used thorns of agony through most of my first casual playthrough. In its defense, it can double hit and is good in colosseum runs. It's still pretty bad but I have a soft spot for it.
@@icedragon9097 you can buy some from Salubra. She is located at the south-east section of Forgotten Crossroads. She will sell you your first charm notch once you obtain your first charm, then 5th, then 10th, then i'm pretty sure 18th.
@@icedragon9097 as others have said, you can buy some from salubra, find 2 by exploring (fungal wastes and greenpath I believe, but the greenpath one needs Isma's Tear), 1 from the Trial of the Warrior, and 1 from beating Grimm for the first time
I know that Grimmchild is useless and sometimes even annoying (like on path of pain), but I love him so much that i couldn't place him that low even if he deserves it. Also Deepfocus is in my opinion very underrated. If you combine it with quickfocus and shape of unn you are pretty much invincible. I know a person who played all game with that combo.
I played the whole game with Dash Master + Sprint Master + Sharp Shadow charms combination. I first completed Path of Pain and every Pantheon with it only. The speed it brings changes the whole game to me.
BTW Did you know? That you can use Dash Master + Sharp Shadow to make a poor-man's descending dark? Since, Dash Master allows you to dash downward and sharp shadow does damage, so you can dash downward to an enemy and do damage!!
@@MrPatrickbuit Doing PoP with Sharp Shadow isn't as bad as you think, just have to compensate for the extra distance a bit Dashmaster on the other hand...
Fury and Elegy have a synergy where you can ranged attack at 1 mask as well. Considering both are really useful on their own in certain situations, it's actually pretty cool especially when you're not expecting it
@@tymek9691 I don't know, I kinda like it. It makes aggressive plays much easier since you can just forget about the swords knock back and focus on dps and dodging.
@@tymek9691 I consider the charm S tier myself, even if I’m not incredibly used to it. I’m glad he put it in S, although I feel like he was way too harsh on FotF (I feel like that’s S as well)
Wayward Compass is D tier?! Whatchu mean lmao. I mean like it goes to the B tier imo because if you're no brainer in the game, its for you. I feel like Nailmaster's glory is S tier because Nail arts in this game are so reliable. God gamer never needed a compass in the first place. Like me of course.
This reminds me of my epic desperate tech against nightmare grimm: deep focus + shape of unn. Allowed me to heal for at least 4 masks every time nkg used his following fire pillars attack, since it lasts long enough for me to charge up and heal twice while I'm moving in front of them.
i used deep focus, unbreakable heart and quick focus against abs rad, the only way i couldve beat it.. problem is i had to beat nkg and pure vessel with this shit setup too 😬 (worked out in the end)
nah glowing womb does almost equal damage (for its soul cost) to some high tier spells, yeah it’s not as effective as some of the spells (especially with shaman stone+spell twister) but for players that find themselves just completely neglecting spells i’d recommend using it in boss fights and maybe colloseum, maybe not for exploration, and if you combine it with grubsong + weaversong the soul gets regenerated for you without needing to hit enemies with your nail, that being said if you use spells frequently and don’t neglect them then yeah all glowing womb does is give you less soul to use for spells
It's good for if you want butcher all the spirits in the graveyard unprompted but would rather ignore the guard who's protected this place for possible centuries as his only purpose and joy in the afterlife.
Steady body finally gets some praise..I have no clue why everyone dismissed that charm so fast. It takes some getting used to but it’s so nice for shredding through bosses with knock back, and dealing hits without having to worry bout knock back is awesome
My favourite addition to Weaversong+Grubsong is to also use Sprintmaster, which makes the Weavers both faster and have a farther range. Used this combination for quite a few bosses during my midgame play. (They also give you soul from the Collector and from your siblings in the Abyss!)
the give you soul from your shade too, that's what really helped me with traitor lord, I would dreamgate to where my shade spawned, and just let my weaverlings kill it. I got so much soul from it it was unbelievable
I love how positive you are about heal builds and stuff that's sometimes considered "crutches" by the community. I've run some heal builds that look like memes (think q focus, deep focus, unn, heart) when I was a noob, and I still used heart when I switched to a more sane build (shaman, strength, qslash, heart) so I really felt quite discouraged when I saw someone call heart a crutch. "Just don't get hit 4head" - well, now I've got the word of the God Gamer himself to back my choice of heart up. Don't know if I'll ever get through PoH, but you know I'll be using heart for my attempts.
@@ohnoagremlin True that. Its especially useful when you are trying to get a speedrun achievement (5hrs or 10hrs) and don't have time to get all upgrades.
I have not had much of a chance to use Dreamshield, and my attempts to dabble in it were not fruitful, I would be interested to hear some times where it was a useful charm for you.
I still really love dream shield tbh. Situational kinda, but it can really save you in fights like Coliseum of Fools and Radiance that have a lot of projectiles.
@@crimsonstrykr I remember the lifeblood charms having 1 niche usage in my first playthrough, which was learning bosses like NKG and Radiance. I would equip every charm that increased my health + joni’s blessing and just jump into the fights only focusing on dodging the attacks. The extra health really sped up the learning process
I swear I'm the only person who cares about lifeblood because my friends said that lifeblood was absolute dogshit so I wanted to prove them otherwise. Joni's blessing all the way. path of pain was pretty fun...
well yeah who wants hp that you can’t heal that takes away from how much dps you can output? if you ABSOLUTELY NEED lifeblood for whatever reason it’s just better to place a dream gate next to whatever you NEED the lifeblood for then go around collecting lifeblood from the blue raspberry testicles (for lack of knowing what they are actually called) then using dreamgate to get to where you “needed” lifeblood instead of wasting 2+ charm notches
Grimmchild is really handy if you're struggling with Sly's final phase. You don't even need to attack Sly, just dodge and your little buddy takes him out pretty quick. I don't really use the charm but it did help with that Pantheon
I think players (including me) just get used to playing around the recoil mechanic that it doesnt really become super necessary to take up a notch slot.
I mean, at least for me, the knockback allows me to distance myself from my enemy, that something I really appreciate because I have more room to react. But yeah, if you know how to use it, it's a really good charm, imo isn't S tier but it's good
Just two major things: I've seen so many newbies get through bosses thanks to thorns of agony. And gathering swarm is insane for geo clusters, first playthroughs.
Gathering swarm is a blessing for idiots like me who want to get all 3 unbreakable charms in steel soul mode despite it being useless to upgrade in that said mode.
I could feel my heart crack when I saw sharp shadow being put into a tier described as "crap" at the beginning xD But it also makes you feel kinda cool being in that minority of people who love sharp shadow 😎
I love using Mark of Pride + Longnail for Sly. It gives you just enough room to very easily hit him during the second phase right after he finishes spinning his nail
Steady body, quickslash, and mark of pride are part of my setup at basically all times. Have been since my first playthrough. I swear steady body is the most underestimated charm in the game.
I thought I was the only one who liked grubsong it pretty much allows you to benefit from your mistakes. Definitely helps with tricky platforming sections
I like grubsong! I used it along with thorns of agony and shape of unn to get through many boss fights that I wasn't good at in my 1st playthrough. My brother said it's a terrible charm since you shouldn't go to a fight expecting to get hit. But he also said shaman stone isn't good bc it costs too many notches. He is nail build all the way
@@VulpineFox7 lmao yes. I don't have a good setup (play on laptop keyboard) and the only reason I got through white palace was because of infinite patience, masochism, hiveblood+grubsong combo
Dreamshield has a special place in my heart because I had a really tough time with the balloon guys that spawn in the lost Kin fight and the extra range of the shield helped me deal with them really effectively
you don't know how happy I was when you said that heavy blow wasn't useless. I had been insulted so much for willfully using the charm and no one regarded me when I talked about the stagger mechanic. thank you.
54:10 Grubberfly's Elegy also has a synergy with Fury of the Fallen, where the effect also activates at 1hp. I used this quite a bit in the Hall of Gods for Ascended fights like Pure Vessel, NKG and Failed Champion. As with all of those fights, if you overcharm you never lose the Grubberfly effect (since you take 8hp of damage from 1 hit ;P)
I would like to mention that lifeblood doesn’t effect fury of the fallen, I can’t remember which pantheon it was but the speed runner stacked up on lifeblood while on 1 mask, and just slayed some bosses super fast.
It doesn't affect fury of the fallen, but you lose lifeblood before normal masks. You need to collect the lifeblood from cocoons to use it with lifeblood. Also, it only works with joni's blessing if you're at your last lifeblood mask.
@@sollumi3014 Well Joni’s blessing doesn’t combine, but lifeblood heart and core can be applied without removing fury’s effect, if you are at 1 heart that is. Edit* Then again you would reset health on bench so you would have to rely on lifeblood seeds.
Honestly though playing the game with some lower tier charms can be a doozy. I also think glowing womb is generally garbage, but doing a run without the ability to heal or cast spells has kinda made me realize it's (extremely niche) uses quite nicely
@@thumb5225 Almost, although technically it's not entirely soulless. Having to pick between focusing to absorb the dreamers or using one spell in the entire playthrough to do godhome, i chose the later since it felt more in spirit with my intention. I'm almost finished, trying to do the first 4 pantheons with bindings currently as lifeblood will be crucial for pantheon of hallownest
@@andalus8449 How do you pass the elder baldur in crossroads without using a spell? I know you can kill it with longnail, but that's painfully difficult (and you have to do it 12 times!) and you don't have access to any of the other methods to kill them that early. I'm aware that you can get dream nail, but I can't think of anything you get from that either... oh, I see a video about doing it with dreamshield. But it's not in rando logic so I'm sure it's also stupidly hard.
@@dragonmage233 Team Cherry should have made Fury a damage scale inverse to health charm, that way we can get some benefit even without being at one mask. Even better make it like the Sugar in Sekiro, use of it halfs health and buffs damage.
53:03 I worked for weeks on the final pantheon but kept losing and accidentally put Grubberfly Elegy in my build while practicing and destroyed Absolute Radiance. I practiced with it for awhile and it even goes through Markoth’s spinny shield of stupidity. That was the charm that actually helped me finally squeeze the win of the final pantheon, and Im so happy to see it landed up high on the list
@@jykatyk567 The two bosses I really needed it for were Markoth and Absolute Radiance. It is super useful on Markoth if you can get to him with full hp
I have used steady body all game and I thought it was incredible I was so surprised when I found out some people thought it was bad. It paired with quick slash and unbreakable strength carried me through the pantheons
I was rocking Thorns/Crest/Spore Shroom/Grubsong through most of my first play through in a kind of defensive build where I had no idea what I was doing, but that combo ended up saving me a bunch of times
Wayward compass is amazing for people that can memorize locations so although it is a bad (but better than Grimmchild) combat charm it is easily the best utility charm
i agree, pun aside it’s THE BEST charm for any platforming section, no other charm comes even remotely close to how useful hiveblood is for the platforming sections
Real talk though, I use hiveblood literally all the time. It’s particularly helpful if you’re like me and you’re specifically PRETTY OKAY at the game. Not good enough to not get hit, but good enough to only get hit every 15 seconds or so 😂
You can actually use Defender's Crest to cheese the initial Crystal Guardian Fight. He'll take damage while he sleeps on the bench until his health runs out and it bails an waits for the second fight.
Gathering Swarm is S tier because otherwise it bugs me when something falls to spikes. Even if I wasnt going to need the money its really bothersome if I lay it on the ground. S tier in convinience and peace of mind.
Yeah, both it and Greed are great for getting the other unbreakable charms, one if which is an excellent combat charm (heart) and the other is, in my opinion, the best charm in the game (suck it Shaman Stone, Nail based builds all the way!)
I feel like sharp shadow should be udleast b tier, I do agree to have more damage but it's good at combos. Not only it's also good at diluting damage, and the extra range may be wierd but it's not that bad. And it also does 1.5 damage with dashmaster, so it's good for your casual play because it's satisfying, good matching combo and safe in casual play
Oh fireb0rn, oh god gamer, I don’t know whether to hug you or strangle you right now. I was fine with you putting wayward compass and gathering swarm low, because with the type of player you are they are useless. I was kinda mad that you put steady body in S, but I could take it. I was SO HAPPY to see you put carefree melody in A tier, as I use it in my most common build and love it so much. But… sharp shadow is my life. I cannot live without it. The longer dash upgrade is so amazing for me, and any time a take it off I run into enemies. It is a greasy way to beat a boss passively, though it is slow. I literally use only sharp shadow to beat winged nose cause I’m not good with spell timings, and I’ll just smack the balloons for soul. I love this charm with all of my heart, and everything you say against it I am taking personally
So you would also use it for white palace and path of pain, where the normal dash lenght is intended? Anyways, the rest makes it indeed S tier. But I'm more mad he put grimmchild as worst charm.
I have used joni's blessing in my casual playthrough, but only when I'm about to fight a boss that I'm having trouble with. I'm kinda in the mid to early game so I don't really have any other better charms to use but I would say it's bee quite useful when fighting bosses cause after that I immediately unequip it lol
Heavy body: Cost: 1 notch Pros: -6 extra masks -deflects "projectitle" like attacks -doubles the damage of desolate dive/descending dark - can damage foes by just jumping over them Cons: - way bigger hitbox - can jump only by using monarch wings - slightly lower walking speed Edit: if someone makes a charm like this a reality, he'll deserve a medal
@@maxifire32 i was thinking the exact same thing while writing the comment; but the problem is: if you can't jump while using this charm, then it becomes useless. So, assumimg this charm will, one day, become real, i think that the player should have at least the slight possibility to jump while using It. Edit: then again, even with that, the only way to use this charm at least with bosses, would be to place a teleport right before the boss room, go to a bench, equip the charm and use the teleport, so maybe it's better if this remain just a normal joke now that i think about It.
Well, IMO sprintmaster is really good charm when you need to close distance to hit, but too close for dash. I personally used it in Pantheons, and it really helped me.
I’m not sure whether or not this is the place to post a charm build. I just have to admit, this video is one I always come back to when I’m looking for ideas. I call this one “The Apprentice,” or “Oghrim’s Apprentice.” It’s a bit of a roleplay build, but it does decent damage. -Defender’s Crest (1) -Sporeshroom (1) -Quick Focus/F+U Strength/Shaman Stone (3) -Carefree Melody (3) -Grubsong (1) -Steady Body (1) -Nailmaster’s Glory/Dream Nail/Wayward Compass (1) *Spell Twister (2) Basically weaponizing stink and charisma. It’s also an acknowledgement to the Knight’s teachers and the Knight’s own prowess. Defender’s Crest+Spore Shroom makes a power fart that adds on damage between attacks through healing. There is a multi-purpose 3 slot based on which archetype you want to run, either with Nail, Spell, or Heal. I would personally lean on the nail damage, but faster healing means quicker farts. Shaman Stone is also a great power up (especially early on). Carefree Melody is a trickier charm to get, but a better trade off than Grimchild and a surprisingly decent clutch mechanic; lets you RP as Ogrim’s Jolly Apprentice. Grubsong adds on extra soul from taking damage, which is stupidly good and will give you some of the oomph needed to fart. Steady body is part of my playstyle choice, and I feel uncomfortable without it. Last 1 slot could be utility like Wayward Compass for my challenged sense of direction, Dream Nail for extra Soul, or Nailmaster’s Glory for extra Nail Art usage. I like using Nailmaster’s Glory on Spell Builds, though it is great no matter which you use (and it harkens back the Knight’s tutelage under all 3 Nailmasters). Dreamwielder is just stupidly useful (also functioning as the Knight’s token of apprenticeship to the Moth Tribe). *You COULD throw out Steady Body and add in Spell Twister for more farts per meter or Baldur Shell for a protected fart as a final charm Slot, but I prefer keeping Steady Body for DPS and comfort. Final Notes: I actually wanted to avoid Shape of Unn on this build somewhat for RP reasons. As cute and practical as it is to slug it up, AND with acknowledgement that it’s fantastic on heal-based builds, I wanted to preserve some of the Knight’s Honor as an apprentice to many honored and powerful knights. He should not crawl, but brace. Carefree Melody is also chosen for RP reasons. It’s true you COULD slot in power charms like Quick Slash, Shaman Stone, F+U Strength or even add on another 2+1 Charm Setup…but honestly, I thought it would be cool to RP a knight that’s… “charming.” Like Oghrim. Feel free to critique!
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This video was originally just going to be an "underrated charms" video, so apologies if the tier list isn't perfect. I do see a lot of little adjustments I'd make already, but as long as it gives people a generally idea of what's good, that's cool with me. Join my discord to discuss! discord.gg/ZJmY9aH
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Shape of unn makes your hit box lower which also makes it easier to dodge and if you use balder shell it makes you pretty strong and quick focus and deep focus combo with it it's super good
grimmchild is too high
13:01 : Thats the life blood core!!!!!!!!!!!
Void heart is easily the best charm in the game. I have yet to see a single player attempt radiance without it equipped.
Lol
*Gasp*
"DWEAM!?!?!?"
I mean, mods exist.
@@j.a.m.m he hasn’t seen them
Why you gotta do my boy Wayward Compass like that?
But Grimmchild is the best charm! He has a super amazing combo with Weaversong, it's called "making me not lonely."
isn't there a third one that adds companions?
@@spritepepsiplushes8353 Yes, but Glowing Womb makes it harder to use your soul for healing.
@@stupidbluegoblin77 ahh, guess I'll stick to nightmare mosquito and spider bois
Its the best charm for path of pain
Grimmchild was my emotional support companion when I went to the Birthplace.
“Kingsoul is good for challenges like radiance with spells only”
-Fireborn, 2021
agreed
Not even that, given how the kingsoul occupies 4 notches
@@SusRing 5
@@SherriJones7000Orphans 5!?? Can't have shit in Hallownest
@@SusRing I think I’d be fair at 3 because right before a boss or if your exploring you can just wait to get to full health and max soul (max health by healing)
I love how the video haven’t even started and grimmchild is already in d tier
Yea lmao he just hates it
It is a pretty horrible charm
@@kledb2096 he helped me a lot in the trator lord fight but thats’s about it
hes just there to keep me company, it feels lonely at some points exploring, unless its fog canyon he can stay in a box for all i care
@@pitori.I guess Cloth wasn't enough company?
no you don't understand. grimmchild is so important. for my heart.
when i got my grimmchild, a immediately gave it a name, it goes in S tier just for that
And when it grows up it will have a great job as a servant to the nightmare heart that has to be sacrificed to its own child
I've completed 5th pantheon with grimmchild and want to say that in the end he was the only one who helped me to support my mental health. Best charm, SS tier
If this was a cuteness tier list then grimmchild would be S+++
look in his face and call him useless ;-;
Shape of Uun is S tier solely for the animation, it's just so damn hilarious to slug across the room during an intense battle
and dodge most things
and things you couldnt dodge miss because youre smol
It becomes a snail if you have baldur shell equipped.
I thought that was pretty cute
Agreed
S for slug
Its amazing againt grimm
"a few years after the game released" but still a few years before silksong gets released
Cough cough a *FEW* years
* Correction, “But still a few centuries before silksong gets released”
@@bowtie_penguin a *FEW* centuries?!!?!??!
@@BrotherBot3000 I know so naive.
AAAAHHHHHHHH Dont say something like this
Everyone's talking about how wayward compass is OP but underestimate the power of gathering swarm. The swarm completely devours bosses in seconds, how does everyone ignore it? It's an ez carry for the pantheon of Hallownest, S tier
Definitely S tier, no joking
@@hornetfromhallownest This charm is absolutely no joke at all
it also gives you 100k geo each boss
It helped so much with money grinding S tier for sure.
It deserves its own tier
I know its been 4 months but I feel like it went completely over everyone's heads that hiveblood was in *bee* tier
BEE
BEE
make that 3 years
summary of the video:
"This charm is one of the best charms in the game... this charm is terrible, but it does have some use... at least this one's not grimchild"
Now this charm, I'm gonna be quite controversial here, but...
My friend and I call the Mark of Pride and Longnail combo the "Belmont Whip"
Mark + Quick nail + Strength + steady body = the Woodpecker
Lol i was thinking the same XD
*BEHOLD THE POWER OF THE BELMONT CLAN!!!*
@@crimsonstrykr My exact first run setup pretty much all game
@@crimsonstrykr add shamans and you get average p5 hit less speedrun set
they should add the "Belmont Whip" as a charm that makes the nail really long but makes your unable to equip Mark of Pride and Longnail tpo avoid being to overpowered
I had no idea that most people disliked sharp shadow. I used it for most of my play through and found it immensely helpful. I get the awkward dash length but that was only really a problem for me on platforming sections were I could just take it off before hand.
Yes, it helped me fight Grimm!
I turned his uppercut into an attack opportunity!
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174 yeah grimm with sharp shadow is easy win
@@akifburakkose3776 now if only I could last more than 3 seconds against Nightmare King Grimm
It's one of my favorite charms. I rarely use spells, so charms like sharp shadow are really good to me
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174 keep trying! I'm going to just tell you what worked for me...I put all my health charms and went into the fight with simply the idea of dodging and playing defense. After I did that, I beat him on the second try!
carefree melody is op,
as long as you leave some luck-improving mods on by “accident.”
Achieving the DREAM No More ending will be a breeze! (This joke is not mine even though I wish it was)
We need a Dream% category lol
What mods are you talking about? I only know "Lucky Shirt" and "I'm Feeling Lucky"
Gotta get that Dream Luck
@@SoutherlySoup what would the rules of the category be?
Increased drop rates?
Its mandatory to say it was an accident to complete the run?
Play manhunt music?
Cool tricks must be used?
Something that I think is worth mentioning is that lifeblood heart does have a good use tied to Grubberfly's Elegy: when taking damage with lifeblood, you don't technically lose health, so until that lifeblood is gone, you can afford to Actually take a hit or two if necessary. This fact is especially useful in the pantheons once you unlock the lifeblood cocoons, as using the following charm combo basically allows you to just walk at bosses while spamming from a distance until they die, and believe me, it WORKS. Also, one thing to especially keep in mind is that grubberfly's doesn't get rid of your regular nail hitbox nor it's damage output, so against larger foes like Failed Champion, you can actually have both hits, the nail and the elegy projectile hit, connect at once, effectively dealing 48 damage per nail swing.
- Strength
- Quickslash
- Lifeblood heart
- Elegy
Honestly I've kinda become enamored with this charm loadout. It's a lot more useful than one might imagine.
Great point!
Bruh.
The round with "Ugly shield moth" i always change my Quick focus into Grubflies elegy.
Even if that means fighting NKG with that charm.
You should respect the one charm able to cheese "ugly shieled moth"
@@jevmenyt3422 I honestly use it a lot in Godhome. Granted it isn't the best against certain bosses, but for most, the build I mentioned literally shreds through bosses lol.
@@stevent3676 yeah not realy cool on redaint bosses
@@الدجاجالقيمر ? I have absolutely no idea what that's supposed to mean lol
This made me remember the time when I was moving around in crystal area trying to up grimm child and came across myla who was infected. I literally forgot I had Grimm child with me and trying to dreamnail her trying to see what her dialogues were. But you know what happened next...
he was protecting you
wait what? Didn't he miss the shot... Feels like you had different charm equipped
@@11ujujz47 when you dont want him to hit he hits right between the eyes and through the little holes in their skin/shell
He sounds like he’s trying to sell us the A/S tier charms lol
So you see this charm is very versital and can fit every given situation
It also gets wine stains out
@@dirkloid4261 shut up and take my geo
i bought steady body and it stayed with me all early game :) i even felt bad for taking it off haha
@@sophiaz2982 tbh steady body felt weird for me, yes the no knockback is nice but the knockback gives some sort of feeling that satisfies me for some reason
I feel like I'm the only person who carried steady body to the endgame
It’s not that you use Defender Crest to kill the blobs vs Lost Kin. It’s that it kills them automatically if they’re about to attack you about 95% of the time. This means that when you heal, they hit your stench and pop like a bubble, instead of making it almost impossible to heal.
Just as Hiveblood is possibly S-tier for a beginner in White Palace, this is amazing for a beginner vs Lost Kin.
Defenders crest was the only reason I was able to beat lost kin on my first playthrough. It's the only time I used it but it's very good in that situation.
@@shibadawn Same
I used quick focus, deep focus, and spore shroom on it because the LK does quicker attacks and you need to heal more when you have the chance. It also makes it easier to use Desolate Dive which is really useful in that battle.
Agree it carries me even now on early lost kin boss fight
if you equip defender's crest, the infected balloons just get over gassed and explode
Love the Baldur Shell discussion after having watched you use it in Abs Rad! I was definitely that beginner who used up all the charges and was like "this charm sucks" lol
But fireb0rn never saves grubs so it's technically impossible for him to get Grubsong and Grubberfly's elegy
Thats the punishment for his sins
@@crimsonstrykr sins? I think you mean heroic actions
@@cyceryx I wish you goodbye for saying leaving helpless little bugs trapped is a 'heroic action'
@@swapankumarbairagi6894 they deserve to be trapped
@@cyceryx why?
The best use of dreamshield
*Killing the enemy I'm trying to pogo on*
OOOOF
Dreamshield is kinda good since it has +1 damage increase on ur nail
Found it was quite good on trial 2 in the colosseum, often blocked the damn aspids
That's your punishment for equipping Dreamshield.
and it's really good for fog canyon and pacified mantis village
One other use for Heavy Blow is the Delicate Flower quest. You want enemies to stay off you as much as possible, and if you’re impatient like me (or you’re trying to deliver it to other characters that aren’t the grave), you’re gonna be encountering enemies because you didn’t clear the path beforehand. It was especially helpful when I took the flower to Oro because of all the Hoppers that respawn regardless. Heavy Blow makes dealing with them _so_ much easier, especially paired with Mark of Pride.
Kingsoul also finds a niche in this quest by allowing you to stay completely at range and throw out Shade Souls without ever coming close to an enemy.
There should be an F tier for Grimmchild alone, since that thing keeps shooting Hornet when she's staggered and I'm trying to heal... AAAAAAA
I'm glad you understand my 112% struggles now too.
@@fireb0rn I'm not sure if I'm so glad about that tho 😭
All the pets do that right? I don't like grimm child because he never talks to me ): Also he robbed me of carefree melody ):
@@flukemunga2236 weaverlings don't, their hits don't deal "stagger" damage.
Yea, I hate how if you want grimmchild to hit something, it will blast the things outline into the wall behind it.
Yet when you need him to chill, it will bullseye that shit straight between the eyes, preventing you from healing.
Grimmchild may be useless for combat, but the emotional bond is worth two charm notches.
it just screams at you
@@snow-ld8yx Those are screams of love m8
Also I realize that sounds weird.
but ... carefree melody D:
If only it was merely useless...
he's a good boy and his fireballs are the strongest in game
emotionally
Very glad to see the justification for steady body. On my first playthrough with 96% completion and I've used steady body the ENTIRE game since I got it, thought about parting with it a couple times for something else, but I couldn't I just really hated the knockback restricting my movement.
that's the problem with it. once you get it on, you can't take it off if you are a new player, because you have to relearn the knockback mechanics if you do.
@Truffle Worm I have like 90hs and I always used Mark of Pride + Longnail. And now I'm changing builds and holy shit the range of the nail without this charms is so baddd I'm trying but I think I can't play without Mark of Pride :/
@@lucassanchez35 i feel you there
*puts grub song in my hitless build as it fits for any build*
Take my like.
its realy great with fury of the fallen espishaly when your on one mask
Thorns of agony is essential in a no hit build
@@الدجاجالقيمر For a hitless build?
@@krisw9526 thats the joke
So, fire said kingsoul is good for no nail radiance right? Uh how are you doing radiance with kingsoul??
Pull an oopsie with debug mod. :)
Dream luck moment
@@scientificthesis BRUH
xD
@@crimsonstrykr dude, i'm not saying its bad. I'm saying you need void heart to grt dream no more ending. Where you fight radiance
i can't believe i randomly chose to equip heavy blow after struggling with lost kin. the fight became so much easier afterwards and now i understand why.
I used it with grubberflies elegy against sly and I feel like it helped a bit
The only 2 things that I don't share with this is Grimmchild being so low in D tier and Void Heart. It's true that Grimmchild has terrible aim and it's hell in Fog Canion, but it's definitely better than glowing womb against most - if not all - of the bosses where the "spawner" gimmick works well. This is because :
1) It does more damage
2) It doesn't drain soul.
3) It's devastating against Failed Champion because it's safe to spell spam when he's at the center, something that you can't do with GW
So I'd put GC in C tier, just above Glowing Womb
For Voidheart I understand that the effect is just... Nothing? But it IS free, so... It's free.
P.S. If you're playing from PC, I'd consider modding the game (it's very easy, many tutorials on TH-cam too). Install the "Charm Overhaul" mod: what it does is basically make not very good charms better with various adjustments, create multiple new charm interactions and allow to switch between Grimmchild/Melosy and King/Void. All the info is listed in a file that you can read with Word when you install the mod.
voidheart makes shade and siblings passive :D
(might not be good for speedrunning obviously, but what the hell you have voidheart)
Yeah and just for the fact that gw is needed for nothing but gc is needed for an entire quest Is say it's at least c, but ngl void heart is rlly good for 0 notches, why not s tier you lose nothing for having it
Void heart also comes at the cost of losing Kingsoul. Not that Kingsoul is particularly useful, but getting Void Heart just locks the option of using it away.
@@h2o848 Yeah he did say that so I just avoided mentioning that. It's a free thing but it's still pretty useless since you won't die a lot when you have that charm on. The only exception I can think of is Trial of The Fool, since the Pantheons don't actually "kill" you. Even less useful in Steel Soul too... But it's free.
@@h2o848 if you have voidheart, either it’s a casual save, your going for true ending, or it’s randomized
"Shape of Unn is not the best charm in Hollow Knight, but it is the coolest, by far"
I'm in love with the shape of unn
@@quaidok n o f u c k p l e a s e s t o p
i discovered the power of steady body + quick slash earlier while playing and i’m glad to hear that i’m big brained
Sharp shadow is good. Sometimes, in a fight where you’re shadow-dashing a lot (eg. traitor lord) the extra damage really builds up. Plus, sometimes when you have a low health, high powered enemy (eg. last phase sly), it’s safer to just shade- cloak through it a bunch to whittle down most of its health so you can tank a few hits at the end. The extra length can actually help a lot if you get used to it, it can let you dash through stuff you might not have been able to before (eg. failed champ). Plus only two charm notches is not bad for free, safe nail hits at your leisure.
Dreamshield does the same damage when dashing through an enemy, while also providing defensive utility against projectile attacks.
Both charms take 4 notches to get the increased damage from their charm combo (Sharp Shadow + Dashmaster, Dreamshield + Dream Wielder) the dream set-up having the better upsides imo with the same per hit damage.
TLDR: Sharp Shadow & Dreamshield are actually pretty similar and Dreamshield is only D tier if viewed as an entirely defensive charm.
I always have sharp shadow equipped and I do not plan on removing it. And I got used to the extra length almost instantly, and love it so so much.
yeah i almost allways use it for boss fights, but besides that never, but it is, so op for boss fights, free 1 nail damage
@@kingparanor5701 I just have it glued on pretty much lol
I used it with pure vessel and man it’s good. It runs around so much that I can’t catch up to it to deal nail damage, and dashing through it to deal hits in is a very good strat for me. But then again I don’t speedrun so I wouldn’t need to worry about the length of the fight
Joni’s Blessing is good when you’re in a fight that is very difficult or impossible to heal in. In that case, it pretty much gives you extra hits when you couldn’t heal anyway.
And then u can focus on spell spam...
But joni costs 4 notches and gives 4 masks
Lifeblood core costs 3 notches and gives 4
BRUH
yeah, i used Joni's blessing and the charm that gives 4 lifeblood masks. that was the strategy that let me beat the Radiance.
Equip quick focus instead and thats no longer a problem in any fight
@@g.b.9799 *laughs in sisters of battle*
I remember being in the early-game of my first playthrough, couldn't wait to find whichever charm let me swing my nail faster. I would have gladly given up even five notches to be able to do that. I'm certainly glad I didn't have to, but there were few moments that felt singularly better than putting on quick slash for the first time and swinging to my heart's content
That’s how I feel with Mark of Pride. I was hungry for that extra range.
Thorns of Agony is a crutch charm and I LOVE IT. It's perfect in places like Waterways if you're having trouble with those little things that dart at you on sight so you don't get swarmed to death, especially when you fall into the water. In exchange for being a 1-notch crutch, you gain no soul from the damage. It's probably not meant to be used professionally, especially if you have good timing and recovery.
Thorns of agony is a good charm to hit bosses with just do lifeblood +quickslash +thorns of agony.
You should unequip it in Fog Canyon tho, there its just pain
Did you know that in Waterways, those tiny baby flukes can't actually hit you more than once if you just don't move? Their turning radius is too wide, they just swarm around you and don't touch you unless you move quickly, so if they hit you, just stop moving, wait for them to get close, and hit them easy with tonnes of time to spare.
The moment you move quickly they'll be all over you, and if there is a straight path to you they'll almost certainly hit you the first time they go for you, but it's hilarious how much damage you can negate by not moving, especially if you make them take an indirect path to get to you, like by just standing on a high platform in the Flukemarm fight. You can have like ten of them swarming around you without touching you at all. Eventually one will hit, but you have tonnes of time to lash out at the ones who get close.
As a noob it has saved my ass so many times
I used thorns of agony through most of my first casual playthrough. In its defense, it can double hit and is good in colosseum runs. It's still pretty bad but I have a soft spot for it.
I use thorns a lot because i dont know how to increase charm slots lmao
@@icedragon9097 You can increase it from Vendor. It is in the forgetten crossroads bottom right of the map.
@@icedragon9097 you can buy some from Salubra. She is located at the south-east section of Forgotten Crossroads. She will sell you your first charm notch once you obtain your first charm, then 5th, then 10th, then i'm pretty sure 18th.
@@icedragon9097 as others have said, you can buy some from salubra, find 2 by exploring (fungal wastes and greenpath I believe, but the greenpath one needs Isma's Tear), 1 from the Trial of the Warrior, and 1 from beating Grimm for the first time
One of my favorite charms. Someone who understands(kinda)...
I know that Grimmchild is useless and sometimes even annoying (like on path of pain), but I love him so much that i couldn't place him that low even if he deserves it. Also Deepfocus is in my opinion very underrated. If you combine it with quickfocus and shape of unn you are pretty much invincible. I know a person who played all game with that combo.
While that is true, imo still feels too costly to devote nearly all your charm notches to it, even with a smaller mobile hitbox
@@bluegem8582 I used deep focus for platforming challenges I struggled with prior to getting hiveblood, letting limited soul go a lot further
Deep focus + quick focus: 7 charm notches for the same hp production as quicksoul, albiet for less soul
I played the whole game with Dash Master + Sprint Master + Sharp Shadow charms combination.
I first completed Path of Pain and every Pantheon with it only.
The speed it brings changes the whole game to me.
holy cow same
BTW Did you know? That you can use Dash Master + Sharp Shadow to make a poor-man's descending dark?
Since, Dash Master allows you to dash downward and sharp shadow does damage, so you can dash downward to an enemy and do damage!!
@@crimsonstrykr and get hit
Path of pain with sharp shadow does not sound fun
@@MrPatrickbuit
Doing PoP with Sharp Shadow isn't as bad as you think, just have to compensate for the extra distance a bit
Dashmaster on the other hand...
I love the fact that you split the video into parts, makes looking for a charm really easy
Fury and Elegy have a synergy where you can ranged attack at 1 mask as well. Considering both are really useful on their own in certain situations, it's actually pretty cool especially when you're not expecting it
(Sees Steady Body has one of the longest sections in the video)
*Ah yes*
I mean he has some good arguments but I still won't use it because I would just go into bosses
@@tymek9691 I don't know, I kinda like it. It makes aggressive plays much easier since you can just forget about the swords knock back and focus on dps and dodging.
@@tymek9691 I consider the charm S tier myself, even if I’m not incredibly used to it. I’m glad he put it in S, although I feel like he was way too harsh on FotF (I feel like that’s S as well)
@@zememerr2329 well FotF is very good as long as you don't take damage that's why all pantheon speedruns ( excluding hitless) use it
„Finally taken notice, habe you?“
Wayward Compass is D tier?! Whatchu mean lmao. I mean like it goes to the B tier imo because if you're no brainer in the game, its for you. I feel like Nailmaster's glory is S tier because Nail arts in this game are so reliable. God gamer never needed a compass in the first place. Like me of course.
wayward compass is s tier, it is the most powerful by far. i used it to kill radiant absrad
@@potatounicorn9480 it allows you to 3 shot pv and absrad
@@Salmonwithfeet not quite, but i have a video of that on my channel
the only reason you're a god gamer is *because* of Wayward Compass.
@@MarsLee0 exactly
This reminds me of my epic desperate tech against nightmare grimm: deep focus + shape of unn. Allowed me to heal for at least 4 masks every time nkg used his following fire pillars attack, since it lasts long enough for me to charge up and heal twice while I'm moving in front of them.
Thats genius, and you are more efficient with soul because you heal 2 masks for the cost of one!
I used shape of unn + quick focus + grub song and I beat it like 7th try I think
Add spore shroom
i used deep focus, unbreakable heart and quick focus against abs rad, the only way i couldve beat it.. problem is i had to beat nkg and pure vessel with this shit setup too 😬 (worked out in the end)
ok but hear me out: glowing womb is just grimmchild that sucks your soul to be useless.
nah glowing womb does almost equal damage (for its soul cost) to some high tier spells, yeah it’s not as effective as some of the spells (especially with shaman stone+spell twister) but for players that find themselves just completely neglecting spells i’d recommend using it in boss fights and maybe colloseum, maybe not for exploration, and if you combine it with grubsong + weaversong the soul gets regenerated for you without needing to hit enemies with your nail, that being said if you use spells frequently and don’t neglect them then yeah all glowing womb does is give you less soul to use for spells
It's good for if you want butcher all the spirits in the graveyard unprompted but would rather ignore the guard who's protected this place for possible centuries as his only purpose and joy in the afterlife.
Steady body finally gets some praise..I have no clue why everyone dismissed that charm so fast. It takes some getting used to but it’s so nice for shredding through bosses with knock back, and dealing hits without having to worry bout knock back is awesome
I used it pretty early on in my first play through so I just felt strange not using
My favourite addition to Weaversong+Grubsong is to also use Sprintmaster, which makes the Weavers both faster and have a farther range. Used this combination for quite a few bosses during my midgame play. (They also give you soul from the Collector and from your siblings in the Abyss!)
the give you soul from your shade too, that's what really helped me with traitor lord, I would dreamgate to where my shade spawned, and just let my weaverlings kill it. I got so much soul from it it was unbelievable
“I’m gonna put hive blood in b tier”
I see what you did there
I bee what you did there
YOU LIKE JAZZ?
Just Bee-cuz
I can't think of a bee pun so um...
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YA LIKE JAZZ
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I love how positive you are about heal builds and stuff that's sometimes considered "crutches" by the community. I've run some heal builds that look like memes (think q focus, deep focus, unn, heart) when I was a noob, and I still used heart when I switched to a more sane build (shaman, strength, qslash, heart) so I really felt quite discouraged when I saw someone call heart a crutch. "Just don't get hit 4head" - well, now I've got the word of the God Gamer himself to back my choice of heart up. Don't know if I'll ever get through PoH, but you know I'll be using heart for my attempts.
Same! I used a health build to get throught the last few waves of the pantheon of hallownest.
I love heal builds, as a casual player
grubberfly also has a synergy with fury of the fallen, where you get a red ranged attack when at one mask
Dreamshield was my favorite charm my first playthru, it may not b some sick speedrunner charm, but it was fun and useful to me
dreamshield doesnt get used much main game for me but its so good in the colloseum for the wall cling segments
@@ohnoagremlin True that. Its especially useful when you are trying to get a speedrun achievement (5hrs or 10hrs) and don't have time to get all upgrades.
I have not had much of a chance to use Dreamshield, and my attempts to dabble in it were not fruitful, I would be interested to hear some times where it was a useful charm for you.
@@pentbot in my first playthrough it was the only reason i didnt just give up on soul master (i was kinda bad at dodging back then)
Dreamshield, Shape of Unn and Sharp Shadow are the coolest charms in the game no cap
41:57 "we'll throw it in the B tier because the B tier is lonely"
_grimmchild with the D tier_ D:
I still really love dream shield tbh. Situational kinda, but it can really save you in fights like Coliseum of Fools and Radiance that have a lot of projectiles.
I love how we care so little about lifeblood charms that we mix up heart and core lmao.
@@crimsonstrykr I remember the lifeblood charms having 1 niche usage in my first playthrough, which was learning bosses like NKG and Radiance. I would equip every charm that increased my health + joni’s blessing and just jump into the fights only focusing on dodging the attacks. The extra health really sped up the learning process
I swear I'm the only person who cares about lifeblood because my friends said that lifeblood was absolute dogshit so I wanted to prove them otherwise. Joni's blessing all the way.
path of pain was pretty fun...
@@oshifudge oh dear
well yeah who wants hp that you can’t heal that takes away from how much dps you can output? if you ABSOLUTELY NEED lifeblood for whatever reason it’s just better to place a dream gate next to whatever you NEED the lifeblood for then go around collecting lifeblood from the blue raspberry testicles (for lack of knowing what they are actually called) then using dreamgate to get to where you “needed” lifeblood instead of wasting 2+ charm notches
@@sleepyppl4286 nah but the blue hearts look proper funny tho
Grimmchild is really handy if you're struggling with Sly's final phase. You don't even need to attack Sly, just dodge and your little buddy takes him out pretty quick. I don't really use the charm but it did help with that Pantheon
I don't even remember fighting Sly... or leaving this comment. Where did the years go?
Fireborn always looks like he's about to burst into laughter, like he's about to deliver the punchline of a joke. Amazing.
Voidheart best charm, no-one has ever beaten vanilla P5 without it
charm binding
True
void heart is so good that I've never seen anyone unequipping it after putting it on
haha your wrong cause it’s been 4 months without beating traitor lord and still not beatin it
@@highdark7919 yeah once people put it on, no one takes it off
Finally, someone appreciates just how great Steady Body is. You get so much more control over your character, and it's just a single notch...
Nothing is normal without steady body
I think players (including me) just get used to playing around the recoil mechanic that it doesnt really become super necessary to take up a notch slot.
@@banuner_ Fair enough, I still love steady body, but i can see why it might not be useful.
I mean, at least for me, the knockback allows me to distance myself from my enemy, that something I really appreciate because I have more room to react.
But yeah, if you know how to use it, it's a really good charm, imo isn't S tier but it's good
Thorns at the absolute bottom and Grubsong in S tier makes me so incredibly happy. I feel validated.
Just two major things: I've seen so many newbies get through bosses thanks to thorns of agony. And gathering swarm is insane for geo clusters, first playthroughs.
Gathering swarm is a blessing for idiots like me who want to get all 3 unbreakable charms in steel soul mode despite it being useless to upgrade in that said mode.
So literally what he said in the video.
@@Naggfruit i don't remember wtf over 1 year ago. if i've said it he might've skipped it in the vid
I love how fireb0rn doesn’t even talk about Grimmchild, and that it’s already instantly in D tier at the beginning of the video.
I'm still not very familiar with most of the charms since I'm new to Hollow Knight, but so far I like this tier list.
I was about to ask how you commented 3 days ago but then I realised that your a member
Just imagine that Grimmchild and Glowing Womb are swapped
Welp you just spoiled most of the nice feelings of finding the rest haha
@@Vyloka oh I've completed the game, just haven't used them enough to give personal opinion haha
@@Esordin ohhh i getchya! Woulda sucked if some peeps are spoiling their entire playthrough though so id have felt bad
I could feel my heart crack when I saw sharp shadow being put into a tier described as "crap" at the beginning xD
But it also makes you feel kinda cool being in that minority of people who love sharp shadow 😎
no, most people seem to love sharp shadow. god gamers see that it's bad
sharp shadow carried me in NKG
holy crap it's sans the exoskeleton from hallow knight
@@spritepepsiplushes8353 Itsa me! Sans the exoskeleton from hallow knight
@@ttmfndng201 how is it bad? sure late game its kinda useless but for mobile bosses its almost overpowered
sharp shadow does have a synergy with dash master, where it does a bit more damage
18:54
"And the boss DIES"
*Dramatic strings kicks in
i used to be a steady body denier. Then i met Hunthussie!
I love using Mark of Pride + Longnail for Sly. It gives you just enough room to very easily hit him during the second phase right after he finishes spinning his nail
Steady body, quickslash, and mark of pride are part of my setup at basically all times. Have been since my first playthrough. I swear steady body is the most underestimated charm in the game.
YES, FINALLY, SOMEONE GETS IT
same, but i add Unbreakable strength and Dream Wielder
I removed mark of pride for unbreakable heart and an undecided 1 notch
@@fuc321 if you get hit a lot use grubsong (or if you dreamnail for soul a lot - dream wielder)
@@foxooverlord I found out I actually had two free notches because I hadn’t collected the Grimm charm notch fighting radiance so I put spell twister
Quick Focus carried me through early game, and Sharp Shadow is carrying me through Endgame
and what's carrying you through middle game?
@@maxifire32 nothing
@@Andrey-pc8el ok
OMG MY 2 FAVOURITES
I thought I was the only one who liked grubsong it pretty much allows you to benefit from your mistakes. Definitely helps with tricky platforming sections
20:17 Shape of Unn helped me SO much with radiance because i could just keep dodging while healing. It safed the whole fight for me
I like grubsong! I used it along with thorns of agony and shape of unn to get through many boss fights that I wasn't good at in my 1st playthrough. My brother said it's a terrible charm since you shouldn't go to a fight expecting to get hit. But he also said shaman stone isn't good bc it costs too many notches. He is nail build all the way
Thorns of Agony triggers faster with Stalwart
Grubsong and hoveblood basically give you infinite health
@@VulpineFox7 lmao yes. I don't have a good setup (play on laptop keyboard) and the only reason I got through white palace was because of infinite patience, masochism, hiveblood+grubsong combo
Dreamshield has a special place in my heart because I had a really tough time with the balloon guys that spawn in the lost Kin fight and the extra range of the shield helped me deal with them really effectively
you don't know how happy I was when you said that heavy blow wasn't useless. I had been insulted so much for willfully using the charm and no one regarded me when I talked about the stagger mechanic. thank you.
54:10 Grubberfly's Elegy also has a synergy with Fury of the Fallen, where the effect also activates at 1hp.
I used this quite a bit in the Hall of Gods for Ascended fights like Pure Vessel, NKG and Failed Champion. As with all of those fights, if you overcharm you never lose the Grubberfly effect (since you take 8hp of damage from 1 hit ;P)
It buffs grubsong, don't forget
I would like to mention that lifeblood doesn’t effect fury of the fallen, I can’t remember which pantheon it was but the speed runner stacked up on lifeblood while on 1 mask, and just slayed some bosses super fast.
Actually, does then fury combine with jonis blessimg or in that instamce not?
It doesn't affect fury of the fallen, but you lose lifeblood before normal masks. You need to collect the lifeblood from cocoons to use it with lifeblood. Also, it only works with joni's blessing if you're at your last lifeblood mask.
@@sollumi3014 Well Joni’s blessing doesn’t combine, but lifeblood heart and core can be applied without removing fury’s effect, if you are at 1 heart that is. Edit* Then again you would reset health on bench so you would have to rely on lifeblood seeds.
Fireb0rn: "It's 2021, so a few years after the game released"
Everyone when Silksong comes out: "It's been a few alright"
change the when to if
@@sponsoredbywalmart lol
@@walkermartin5366 oh dear
Honestly though playing the game with some lower tier charms can be a doozy. I also think glowing womb is generally garbage, but doing a run without the ability to heal or cast spells has kinda
made me realize it's (extremely niche) uses quite nicely
A soulless run? Have you finished yet?
@@thumb5225 Almost, although technically it's not entirely soulless. Having to pick between focusing to absorb the dreamers or using one spell in the entire playthrough to do godhome, i chose the later since it felt more in spirit with my intention. I'm almost finished, trying to do the first 4 pantheons with bindings currently as lifeblood will be crucial for pantheon of hallownest
@@andalus8449 Don’t gotta have a soul to take a soul :D
@@thumb5225 ye, but the prospect of pantheon of hallownest with no healing or spells was too good to pass up
@@andalus8449 How do you pass the elder baldur in crossroads without using a spell? I know you can kill it with longnail, but that's painfully difficult (and you have to do it 12 times!) and you don't have access to any of the other methods to kill them that early.
I'm aware that you can get dream nail, but I can't think of anything you get from that either... oh, I see a video about doing it with dreamshield. But it's not in rando logic so I'm sure it's also stupidly hard.
I feel like Stalwart Shell being so similar to Steady Body is like those bugs or snakes that evolve to look like something dangerous
Doesn’t grubberfly elegy have synergy with fury of the fallen, which makes you shoot stuffs at 1 hp?
Yes, it does. And it shoukd also deal 1x nail damage instead of 0.5x
Unfortunately, that interaction doesn't work with lifeblood , as I learned the hard way in P5....
@@dragonmage233 Team Cherry should have made Fury a damage scale inverse to health charm, that way we can get some benefit even without being at one mask. Even better make it like the Sugar in Sekiro, use of it halfs health and buffs damage.
@@crimsonstrykr Speedrunners would have too much power.
it does, but it deals little additional dmg, so its honestly not worth it. furthermore, one hit and ur dead for a small dmg boost isnt worth it imo
53:03 I worked for weeks on the final pantheon but kept losing and accidentally put Grubberfly Elegy in my build while practicing and destroyed Absolute Radiance. I practiced with it for awhile and it even goes through Markoth’s spinny shield of stupidity. That was the charm that actually helped me finally squeeze the win of the final pantheon, and Im so happy to see it landed up high on the list
dude i can never do PoH hitless
Yeah what the fuck I can't be at full health in PoH
@@jykatyk567 The two bosses I really needed it for were Markoth and Absolute Radiance. It is super useful on Markoth if you can get to him with full hp
@@lazyninja1793 markoth's sword will spawn in your face if you are too close, so i believe you
fireb0rn: lifeblood core cost 3 notch’s and give 4 masks
Me: cringing because he’s pointing to lifeblood heart
I have used steady body all game and I thought it was incredible I was so surprised when I found out some people thought it was bad. It paired with quick slash and unbreakable strength carried me through the pantheons
I was rocking Thorns/Crest/Spore Shroom/Grubsong through most of my first play through in a kind of defensive build where I had no idea what I was doing, but that combo ended up saving me a bunch of times
i used to live off of thorns, but lately i realised it just takes up i-frames and used either sprintmaster,grubsong or dweilder instead
Wayward compass is amazing for people that can memorize locations so although it is a bad (but better than Grimmchild) combat charm it is easily the best utility charm
I didn’t know I wanted this until now
I don't care what anybody says, Hiveblood should've been at the top of BEE tier
Take this like and get out now
i agree, pun aside it’s THE BEST charm for any platforming section, no other charm comes even remotely close to how useful hiveblood is for the platforming sections
Real talk though, I use hiveblood literally all the time. It’s particularly helpful if you’re like me and you’re specifically PRETTY OKAY at the game. Not good enough to not get hit, but good enough to only get hit every 15 seconds or so 😂
C a n y o u d o n t
You can actually use Defender's Crest to cheese the initial Crystal Guardian Fight. He'll take damage while he sleeps on the bench until his health runs out and it bails an waits for the second fight.
IIRC You can do that with dream nail and ddive/dark
His summary of how casuals react to steady body was spot on
Gathering Swarm is S tier because otherwise it bugs me when something falls to spikes. Even if I wasnt going to need the money its really bothersome if I lay it on the ground.
S tier in convinience and peace of mind.
combine it with greed charm and a casual playthrough is much nicer without feeling the need to grind money to buy all the things
1 geo saved now is 1 geo you don’t need to farm later
@@sleepyppl4286 1 geo saved now is 1 more geo when you die while getting your shade back
Yeah, both it and Greed are great for getting the other unbreakable charms, one if which is an excellent combat charm (heart) and the other is, in my opinion, the best charm in the game (suck it Shaman Stone, Nail based builds all the way!)
I feel like sharp shadow should be udleast b tier, I do agree to have more damage but it's good at combos. Not only it's also good at diluting damage, and the extra range may be wierd but it's not that bad. And it also does 1.5 damage with dashmaster, so it's good for your casual play because it's satisfying, good matching combo and safe in casual play
atleast*
A tier*
weird*
Oh fireb0rn, oh god gamer, I don’t know whether to hug you or strangle you right now. I was fine with you putting wayward compass and gathering swarm low, because with the type of player you are they are useless. I was kinda mad that you put steady body in S, but I could take it. I was SO HAPPY to see you put carefree melody in A tier, as I use it in my most common build and love it so much. But… sharp shadow is my life. I cannot live without it. The longer dash upgrade is so amazing for me, and any time a take it off I run into enemies. It is a greasy way to beat a boss passively, though it is slow. I literally use only sharp shadow to beat winged nose cause I’m not good with spell timings, and I’ll just smack the balloons for soul. I love this charm with all of my heart, and everything you say against it I am taking personally
So you would also use it for white palace and path of pain, where the normal dash lenght is intended? Anyways, the rest makes it indeed S tier. But I'm more mad he put grimmchild as worst charm.
steady body best charm
I agree unironically
Agree
@@Vampeleton same. I always use it
@@vuxovp your opinion is bullshit. I always use steady body with sprintmaster and wayward compass bcs it's great
@Max Kathirgamanathan kinda true. But if something makes game feel better then it's good
I have used joni's blessing in my casual playthrough, but only when I'm about to fight a boss that I'm having trouble with. I'm kinda in the mid to early game so I don't really have any other better charms to use but I would say it's bee quite useful when fighting bosses cause after that I immediately unequip it lol
This mans put Steady Body in S tier. I bow to the greatness of the God Gamer!
dude calls himself god-gamer, and mixes up lifeblood core and lifeblood heart.
God gamers don't use lifeblood charms, okay?
@@fireb0rn Godgamer supremacy
Sharp shadow throwing a boss backwards when it gets stunned and dropping it on top of you at the end of the dash is criminal.
1:19:55 ah yes, heavy body. the charm that makes the knight fat
Heavy Body is a large all you can eat meal but it can be added and removed from your body fat
Heavy body:
Cost: 1 notch
Pros:
-6 extra masks
-deflects "projectitle" like attacks
-doubles the damage of desolate dive/descending dark
- can damage foes by just jumping over them
Cons:
- way bigger hitbox
- can jump only by using monarch wings
- slightly lower walking speed
Edit: if someone makes a charm like this a reality, he'll deserve a medal
@@andreamarini9940 you shouldn't be able to move up even with the monarch wings, do you think those small wings can lift a fat vessel?
@@maxifire32 i was thinking the exact same thing while writing the comment; but the problem is: if you can't jump while using this charm, then it becomes useless. So, assumimg this charm will, one day, become real, i think that the player should have at least the slight possibility to jump while using It.
Edit: then again, even with that, the only way to use this charm at least with bosses, would be to place a teleport right before the boss room, go to a bench, equip the charm and use the teleport, so maybe it's better if this remain just a normal joke now that i think about It.
@@andreamarini9940 Let's just say the monarch wings become fat as well and the problem is solved
Fat wings for fat vessel
Well, IMO sprintmaster is really good charm when you need to close distance to hit, but too close for dash. I personally used it in Pantheons, and it really helped me.
I’m not sure whether or not this is the place to post a charm build. I just have to admit, this video is one I always come back to when I’m looking for ideas.
I call this one “The Apprentice,” or “Oghrim’s Apprentice.” It’s a bit of a roleplay build, but it does decent damage.
-Defender’s Crest (1)
-Sporeshroom (1)
-Quick Focus/F+U Strength/Shaman Stone (3)
-Carefree Melody (3)
-Grubsong (1)
-Steady Body (1)
-Nailmaster’s Glory/Dream Nail/Wayward Compass (1)
*Spell Twister (2)
Basically weaponizing stink and charisma. It’s also an acknowledgement to the Knight’s teachers and the Knight’s own prowess.
Defender’s Crest+Spore Shroom makes a power fart that adds on damage between attacks through healing.
There is a multi-purpose 3 slot based on which archetype you want to run, either with Nail, Spell, or Heal. I would personally lean on the nail damage, but faster healing means quicker farts. Shaman Stone is also a great power up (especially early on).
Carefree Melody is a trickier charm to get, but a better trade off than Grimchild and a surprisingly decent clutch mechanic;
lets you RP as Ogrim’s Jolly Apprentice.
Grubsong adds on extra soul from taking damage, which is stupidly good and will give you some of the oomph needed to fart.
Steady body is part of my playstyle choice, and I feel uncomfortable without it.
Last 1 slot could be utility like Wayward Compass for my challenged sense of direction, Dream Nail for extra Soul, or Nailmaster’s Glory for extra Nail Art usage. I like using Nailmaster’s Glory on Spell Builds, though it is great no matter which you use (and it harkens back the Knight’s tutelage under all 3 Nailmasters). Dreamwielder is just stupidly useful (also functioning as the Knight’s token of apprenticeship to the Moth Tribe).
*You COULD throw out Steady Body and add in Spell Twister for more farts per meter or Baldur Shell for a protected fart as a final charm Slot, but I prefer keeping Steady Body for DPS and comfort.
Final Notes: I actually wanted to avoid Shape of Unn on this build somewhat for RP reasons. As cute and practical as it is to slug it up, AND with acknowledgement that it’s fantastic on heal-based builds, I wanted to preserve some of the Knight’s Honor as an apprentice to many honored and powerful knights. He should not crawl, but brace.
Carefree Melody is also chosen for RP reasons. It’s true you COULD slot in power charms like Quick Slash, Shaman Stone, F+U Strength or even add on another 2+1 Charm Setup…but honestly, I thought it would be cool to RP a knight that’s… “charming.” Like Oghrim.
Feel free to critique!
The fact that when he doesn’t show his hands he looks like a floating head is so hilarious to me that i forgot what this video was about