little mac is such an interesting example of a glass canon because he's designed to be nearly incapable of engaging with one of the most fundamental aspects of a platform fighter; vertical positioning.
@devoncampbell3607 It's sad because Little Mac could be good, but he'd have to be so powerful on the ground it would contradict the beginner friendly style of smash. Casual players already struggle with Mac as he is, let alone if he was made good enough on the ground to be viable
half screen reaching normals, combos that are almost tod and the highest healthbar in the game? This motherfucker used to be the best character is strive on god
@@malum9478It's more like you only exploded if you were bad, gambled too hard, or did it on purpose for a setup. Especially after they changed how his Command Grab and f.SSS worked, you shouldn't be popping with any regularity. It wasn't until the S2.5 patch that he had anything resembling fragility.
He still is. He used to be played more like a glass cannon when Hotashi was taking tournaments season 1. He'd all in, force you to get hit by the blood explosion and then kill you with the mix up. Now that gameplay seems to be mostly defunct my carefully mitigating blood usage. Which means he just hits hard and often. If you make no over extensive gameplay decisions a glass cannon is still a glass cannon. You'd have to play nago pretty fast and loose to be made of glass. It's weird. Idk what to call him with all this in mind? A pendulum?
I think I really like Leon Masseys summary of how chipp fits the glass cannon archetype. Instead of being high damage-low health hes low health-high amount of options, if that makes sense. He has a good rounded toolset including a meterless reversel, a lot of mixups, very high speed making it easy for him to start his pressure, a lot of variied pressure with great mental stack, etc. Hes basically a swiss army knive made of diamond that crumbles into dust if you sneeze at him wrong.
Pretty sure a majority would define that as a pixie. Which is more of a sub archetype of this sub archetype. Lots of options and mobility* in exchange for low hp and damage output. Which Chipp, Tianhuao from Them’s Fightin Herds,Smash 4/Ultimate Shiek, and Maypul in Rivals Kimberly in SF6. All characters who have great mobility and a plethora of great buttons but requires at least 2 more sets of interactions compared to the rest of the roster in order to close out a round/stock
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Millia isn't really a lots of options character though, at least not in Strive. She's a setplay character, but her means of getting into position to start her setplay are fairly limited.
While I will always hold a grudge against Nago for pretty much stealing Sin's strengths, I can't deny that he's hype as hell. Even if getting killed by him can feel like someone just pulled a gun in an armwrestling match.
It's not just that Nagoriyuki has great specials, he also can cancel specials into specials for the cost of more blood, giving him some truly monstrous damage if he chooses to go all in. You just better hope it kills.
@@Okenpo Ganon's tough to pin down because he's so bad that he kind of fails to be any specific archetype. He hits hard and tends to die early, so he's a glass cannon in my eyes.
The Phazon Set was when Scarlet was actually busted, and Jiro got insane buffs between 2018 to 2022 (On release, Jiro was just Glass, no cannon, then they buffed his sig power, then buffed sig speed)
I remember the main reason Jiro was played back then is simply because he had one of the best weapon combos at the time being Sword/Scythe. Sword is very dominant in neutral back then simply by covering the ground with slight and up-air, and the recovery is also good. Scythe is the high-skill high-reward weapon people loved at the time with people aiming to be good at the weapon left and right. Not to mention Jiro's sigs has good frame data and reach, but sadly lacking in damage and defense. So people had to put in the extreme work for it.
glass cannon isn't really a good descriptor for most of these characters, glass cannons are really meant to, well, be fragile. Makoto and Nagoryuki are better classified as "One-Chance" characters. There are alot of these types of characters in older fighting games, like ABA from GGXX. Glass cannon is just the wrong descriptor for this kind of character.
These 2 characters both are hard snowballers Makoto has some of the highest health in the game and while it’s hard to get in (ok ex dash punch is a bit insane tho) once she gets in she can easily snow ball into a win, so in a way it’s more just a Rushdown with less options and more health, but not a grappler, I would just call Makoto a hybrid grappler I guess. Nago has strike throw off literally anything and his pressure is really strong, but with not many get in options we often have to just watch for gaps in offense and capitalize quickly. As well as really dumb mixups mid pressure (I fucking love using f.SS Grab, which is really strong since the 3rd slash is also a frame trap that we often RC out of, or just use beyblade to make it safe) It’s complicated
I don’t know about makoto but nagoriyuki is quite the opposite of a snowballer, in order to keep a strong pressure and make his strike throw mixups safe he fills up his blood rage and once it goes high enough he can’t use anymore of his special moves unless he wants to risk popping and making it very unsafe for him
@@flamingoraider2658 haha command grab go brrrrr In all seriousness though if he gets strike throw it does give blood gauge back, enough to do it again or in the case of command grab just straight up make the gauge no matter temporarily On the off chance that you don’t have meter f.SS -> 4 is still a good pressure tool, and you can start another slash rekka or start denying space with 5HS, 2HS, then go immediately back in with more blood gauge
@@TetraBui saying mak has some of the highest health is a bit of a stretch. 1.2k is pretty much the solid average. She has high health for a female character (in early fighting games, Capcom believed women weren't as strong in terms of getting hit, so makoto was a huge deal), but other than that it's whatever
To be honest, Pichu is also a glass cannon. Pichu is a pre-evolution of Pikachu, so he's an echo fighter. Not only does he gives more damage, have much less protection and the lack of a feature of his evolution - squelching after performing an aerial attack, landing on the ground, *Pichu deals damage to himself when using electric attacks*
The glass cannon archetype and pixie archetype tend to go hand in hand with each other most of the time. I'm a big fan of Ms Fortune from Skullgirls, but I think Eliza would fit this list better as a glass cannon
Now Nago can be called a Glass Cannon more easily, before he was like a tank with jet engines. To much HP and Agile before the blood got high. Now he is more manageble and fits his role better.
Ugh, i hate that TH-cam stops recommending you TH-camrs if they haven't uploaded in a while, even if you are subscribed to them. Glad you're back tho, always enjoyed your content!
Thanks for staying around! Yeah TH-cam can be weird like that sometimes, I’m not sure if you have notifications on or not but sometimes it just doesn’t get pushed.
Also characters that don’t have low health (average or above average HP) but instead exchange HP for powerful attacks I think count as glass canons too. Cause while they still might have good defense they still have too sacrifice health which may end up backfiring. Carmine from Under Night, Mira from Killer Instinct, A.B.A from Guilty Gear all do INSANE damage and have good defense and defensive options but reckless behavior will get you killed like Nago
You mentioned Brawlhalla's two defense club and i have to say, as an Ada main and Thea/Jiro Enthusiast, i totally get the feeling of the glass cannon archetype and that's why i love this type of characters, the adrenaline rush of eat or be eaten is just so much fun than any other legend in the game, they either deal insane damage or zoom around the stage, but when Xull or Teros appear on my screen, the rush becomes even more fun
I used to think the 2/3def guys were bad when I hardcore mained Nix (like only played her. ever. for a few months. it was an… experience), but only when you actually make yourself play them do you realize they’re fun. Now, I’m still pretty sure I’m better with Nix or any other character with an existent defense stat, but Jiro is more fun so he’s my main now. (My first-ever main was Ada. I was horrendous with her and that’s kind of why I used to think the 3def squad were bad. My brother mained Jiro and he had the most annoying, passive playstyle ever before he quit. Turns out it’s a skill issue. 3def squad are not good for beginners, but once you actually have something of an idea what you’re doing they’re fun.)
Another good Glass Cannon example is Mira(Killer Instinct). A vampire who's special moves literally drain her life (she also has special moves to get it back). Great video!
Finn from MultiVersus is a pretty good example, he has a lot of moves that you kinda have to respect, like bag, Dair or BMO Chop, but if you hit him three times with Superman, he's already at kill percent.
@@jackmccullough2739 yeah arya would've been a better example consider she was capable of doing high damage while also being one of the actual lightest characters
this is the first time I've seen a TH-cam video that talks about fighting games broadly and actually includes Brawlhalla 😭 lol thank you. my girl was feeling left ouuttttttt
I always forget his name but the penguin guy from bloody roar always comes to mind. His hyper beast mode being the phoenix was literally glass cannon as if you could not kill In The duration of your transformation you lost all transformations even your basic one for the round was a cool concept
My interpretation of Makoto has always been that of a Tank. A high health character with high damage that has stunted movement but not limited movement like how other fighting games have grapplers lose things like dashes air dashes double jumps etc. She has a slow walk speed but an actually insane dash but putting these traits together makes her movement not technically bad but more committal and harder to redirect. And in terms of health she has a high base health especially for the old SF female characters since by design they were made to on average have less than male characters and Makoto is actually up there in 3rd strike. Another example I could give for the archetype would be Susanoo from BB since he's certainly got that high health and damage but his dash/run is the only one in the game with significant start-up but when actually used he has one of the fastest ground speeds in the game. So similarly to Makoto's forward dash punch special in some scenarios its better for him to just use a special to get in. Regardless great video!
Little thing about jigglypuff : You aren't vulnerable for 30 frames, you are INVINCIBLE for 30 frames (roughly, I think it's more like 27). If you miss rest, you are vulnerable for about 3/4 seconds, and if you hit it, you can cancel it early (around 1/2 seconds)
Asuka is this to a T. He's so volatile in both ways of the spectrum. You either get ran over by him or you completely stomp him. He's just built to snowball very hard in both ways.
I don't think puff should be a glass cannon. While it has very little defense, but in platform fighters recoverability is as much if not more as a factor and puff has a lot of it.
True, you do have way more leeway in terms of recovery in platform fighters (especially puff), but in terms of physical attributes she fits the description. It is debatable once you put more context around it.
Pichu for sure is a glass cannon. Have a friend who plays him and he used to destroy me every time but the second I could get one good hit it was over. Actually very fun to play against
@@boogsss2 I guess it depends on how you look at it. I would consider him a glass cannon because he has high damage but hurts himself and is lightweight. To me a joke character in smash would be more like Mr Game and watch or wario because there moves are goofy and weird.
I think in less generous terms these characters are often referred to as Robbery characters. In terms of Street Fighter and Guilty Gear at least this generally means having extremely powerful offensive options in exchange for a complete lack of defensive ones or poor neutral. The health pool is kind of irrelevant here as usually these characters have reasonably high health pools in exchange for having to hold whatever their opponent puts them in. For Street Fighter 5 that'd be Oro, G, and Balrog (Among a few others I'm sure), for Strive I'd give it to Goldlewis and Nago. Funny enough for Street Fighter 6 I'd have to give the title to Aki, although Marissa is up there too. These characters tend to be pretty mid-tier most of the time (Except SF5 Balrog, I think he was generally accepted to be high tier by the end, and Nago was Strive's demon for several seasons). Tournament level players prefer consistency and these characters tend to be very coinflippy, there's a reason why the "Nago round" was a thing, where you guess wrong one time and Nago just wins, not your fault.
Robbery is exactly how I describe playing Lucia in SF5. All-out offense to knock off at least 40% health before I got beaten enough to acquire vtrigger, at which point a single poke becomes 60%. Her health was bad, her defense was wonky and her buttons were stubby, but if I touched the opponent with my vtrigger active, they were probably gonna take a hard L.
As a brawlhalla player, i can say this video is really well put together. Brawl's glass cannons benefit a lot from lots of speed, strenght or great sigs to keep the enemy at bay. Most of them have combo heavy weapons to rack up dmg, for their lack of taking it. Only character i would add to the list is Xull (with strenght stat he has the most strenght at 10, but at the cost of 1 defense, making him have 4). Like you said, glass canonns most of the time don't go hit for hit, but as the strongest character in the game this oddly suits him. Altho he lacks combo options. Great vid though, would love to see more stuff like this!
Ik that the video speaks from a fighting game perspective, but to me the best example of a glass-cannon is the Magic-User from Shadow over Mystara. You get access to a lot of spells, most of which are AoE (Fireball, Reverse Gravity, Ice Storm) or multi hit (Magic Missile, Lightning Bolt, Flesh to Stone). But you have little to no access to any defensive equipment/spells; you get a short teleport for your backdash and Projected Image, which makes 3 copies of yourself for a short time, and can't equip shields or armor (the only bit of armor you can use is a helmet). On top of that, Magic-User has the lowest HP pool of the game and can't get any weapons until mid to late game since you're limited to staffs. Plus the damage for them is... Bad, to say the least. Although, there is an attack you can make that has a chance of paralysing enemies for a short period, which has a short melee range. Anyway, thank you for listening to my ted talk
My favorite example of Glass Canon was SFIV Seth. He had the lowest HP in the game, but he didnt do a lot of damage compared to like Makoto, his OP characteristics came from versatility which is different from a tradition glass canon.
Phoenix from MvC is a pretty notorious glass cannon. Her health is so low in a game where almost any combo is already a Touch of Death she's so fragile a stray half combo or a single super can kill her. For context she has ~half the health of average character. And if you commit to saving up 5 bars of super for Dark Phoenix she games some of the most oppressive normals and like nagoriyuki her health continuously drains to one.
it's weird to have nago on here, a character i'd argue doesn't quite fit the bill even after all his changes since his health drain is more about meter management than something that absolutely has to happen to him, but not mention chipp or , maybe the best example in the series, baiken pre-strive. nagoryuki launched with a really unga bunga ass playstyle and after his changes you get punished for not considering his meter , but a smart nago player is still fully capable of being relatively chunky. baiken in xrd, xx, and even gg1 was maybe the ultimate glass canon though. she barely had any health and could get blown up by combos super easily but had the unique advantage of never truly losing her "turn". she had multiple moves you could do *while in blockstun* which meant the opponent had to rely on forcing you to whiff or make bad moves rather than putting a ton of pressure on her with blockstrings. she was a super fun and interesting character but it did result in her being either insanely good or insanely bad in every game she was in. i like her strive iteration plenty but having her go from one of the most difficult and edge-of-your-seat characters in the series to someone who is pretty basic is a little sad to me
I think it has something to do with how varied his playstyle can be, you can play him extremely patiently like iwan or verix who I never saw pop or really exemplify his glass cannon-ess like hotashi who uses all his blood in 1 combo
Disagree with Jigglypuff being a good example of glass cannon. At least in melee, Puff can die very early but the floatiness responsible makes her harder to combo and she's got good recovery. The floatiness also makes it so that confirming stray hits into killing blows becomes much harder for most of the cast as their moves will push puff out of reach. IMO Ice climbers is a better example. In both melee and brawl, they're able to kill off of any grab (pre wobbling ban) but due to their wonky nature as puppet characters, they can be easily separated off of most hits which severly gimps the remaining character.
It’s weird nobody mentioned Phoenix from MVC3. She’s arguably one of the strongest characters in the roster but at the cost of having very little health, with it being just 1 hyper combo to kill her.
You could also view Makoto as a glass cannon based on her SA 3 in 3rd strike. It increases her strikes by 25%, but she loses the ability to block while it's active with parry becoming her only defensive option
Fun fact about nagoriyuki while whaling and being all up in peoples face you can counter act blood rage with one of his supers and completely negate it back to zero and continue on with little reprecussions. Really pisses my buddy off when i do it, but makes me happy when it happens loll
Mira from Killer Instinct is the best version of giving up health for offense imo. Nago has her damage potential. Avatar Belial has her combo extensions. But she also has setups and mobility and even a little bit of lame-out ability if you get a big lead, cap it off with health drain, then sit back to bait the opponent into hanging themselves with her good normals and decent projectiles.
i would argue that chipp is a glass cannon that deserves to be on this list because the cannon part from his kit comes from his advantageous position he gets after landing a hit
Probably my favourite glass cannon is Link from Smash 64. He has awful recovery, even compared to a cast with nearly universal terrible recoveries. Getting sent offstage is essentially a loss. But! He has incredible kill power and decent zoning ability with a projectile (boomerang) that constantly threatens to start death combos if it catches you.
Going back to Melee, a very funny glass cannon is Game and Watch because his shield doesn’t even cover him fully, making him use light shielding which limits your oos options. He’s also suppppppeeeer light but he also just has amazing aerials and some good normals as well (not like broken because Melee has much better characters)
I remember when one of those videos about fighting game character archetypes (I’m sure half of y’all will know what I mean) got to rushdown, they were listing off characters from different games, then they got to DBFZ and said “DBFZ - …every character is a rushdown character.” Which is funny (although zoners are more viable after recent patches) but I feel like in fairness, when those videos get to gimmick characters, they should also say “Guilty Gear… every character is a gimmick character.” I mean don’t get me wrong, I love that about it
Vergil from UMVC3 probably counts as glass cannon. High damage, easy to pull combos, and small HP (2 sets of combo could actually kill him, that is if you missed to devil trigger him when he got rushed)
Makoto is super neat in 3S because she absolutely plays like a grappler but her threat is situational. If she has meter and has her back to the wall, one grab can end the game with her touch of stun SA2 combo that's a ToD on a lot of characters. The risk-reward balance of her grab is dynamic throughout the round which opens up fun mind games.
I never gave it much though but I seem to gravitate to these types of characters, I main Jigglypuff in smash and ada (3def) in brawlhalla. Interesting video
Little Mac is an interesting glass canon that is possible only in a plateformer : he basically struggle to recover on the stage and can't hit in the air but has great power on the ground.
Ollie in Idol Showdown. She has the lowest health, gets one less burst but she absolutely mops on offense and can apply powerful pressure and potential damage using her health with her 214M
imo, Neo Kakyoin from the Capcom 98's JoJo game is a perfect example of a glass cannon, he is very fast and high damage, but seems to be the character with the lowest HP in the whole game... is like a balanced version of Kakyoin
im surprised you didn't mention lin fei for brawlhalla ! she's one of the true glass cannons (pun intended) and has been creeping her way into tournaments
Chipp in previous version of GG did great damage actually lol. Mainly Plus R. Now he wasn’t exactly deleting hp bars or anything but it was higher then he reasonably should have lol
i just realised that i all my life i've been a glass cannon main ( fox , ike , dragunov and lars in tekken , nagoryuki , nash, nagato in naruto storm etc ) I AM THE CANNON HIMSELF
I come from Tekken and imo the best character from t7 to classify as a glass cannon is Lucky Chloe. She has a high risk/high reward playstyle. Boasting some of the highest combo damage in the game, she can melt your health in as little as 2 interactions but it comes at the cost of being highly punishable. Her most rewarding tools can be sidestepped or are extremely unsafe on block.
I would say Miss Fotune from skullgirls is a great instance of a glass cannon taking extra health when you combo her with her head. Additionally her already insane mixup becomes beyond 3 way or 4 way… she’s evil to play against especially with her IAD buttons. Need to learn her if i wanna win and understand her mixups but im a dirty squigly main.
I just wanna shout out to ultimate for giving us the best version of puff in the franchise, they took one of the most toxic 1 note defensive characters and made her actually relay on other moves besides back air and rest lmao
My first thoughts were Jam Kuradoberi from Guilty Gear and Enkidu from UNI. Mostly because I have a friend of mine who basically only plays glass cannons and he also plays those two.
My favorite type is the most underused in games. The mechanical neutral. We know Genji in Overwatch is a low defense high damage counter elite skill character dashing around and parrying for sick video montages. But in Brawlhalla my favorite is just the fists. The weapons can technically be superior but also focused. Bigger hit area for larger wind up time and more damage for for being able to cancel longer attacks. Fists are perfect. Enough to skill around everyone and deal good damage but just tanky enough to recover more easily. I wish more games had this high skill Genji on more neutral stats.
Don't forget Chipp's full screen grab super that does a lot of damage. That's a cannon in my book. He just has to build meter first which isn't difficult for him.
I like rush down, as long as it has speed idc if it has good damage or good defense. Sort of like ken which is shoto and rushdown or lucien and vector from brawlhalla.
little mac is such an interesting example of a glass canon because he's designed to be nearly incapable of engaging with one of the most fundamental aspects of a platform fighter; vertical positioning.
And he was Terrible. And then he was mediocre.
@@devoncampbell3607 He falls into the place of "Terrible at high level but terrifying if you don't know how to deal with him"
@@simplyeyeronic1443 Noobkiller / Knowledge Check character
@@simplyeyeronic1443 yes. Eat my ko punch and armoured f-smash.
@devoncampbell3607 It's sad because Little Mac could be good, but he'd have to be so powerful on the ground it would contradict the beginner friendly style of smash. Casual players already struggle with Mac as he is, let alone if he was made good enough on the ground to be viable
Man, I remember when nago was only a cannon with 0 glass. He used to have the highest health in the game.
half screen reaching normals, combos that are almost tod and the highest healthbar in the game?
This motherfucker used to be the best character is strive on god
well yeah but he exploded half of his life+ once a round unless you were really good with him so like...
@@malum9478It's more like you only exploded if you were bad, gambled too hard, or did it on purpose for a setup.
Especially after they changed how his Command Grab and f.SSS worked, you shouldn't be popping with any regularity.
It wasn't until the S2.5 patch that he had anything resembling fragility.
@@chungusumungus4004 Yeah Nago pops are highly avoidable once you really practice avoiding them.
He still is. He used to be played more like a glass cannon when Hotashi was taking tournaments season 1.
He'd all in, force you to get hit by the blood explosion and then kill you with the mix up.
Now that gameplay seems to be mostly defunct my carefully mitigating blood usage. Which means he just hits hard and often.
If you make no over extensive gameplay decisions a glass cannon is still a glass cannon. You'd have to play nago pretty fast and loose to be made of glass.
It's weird. Idk what to call him with all this in mind? A pendulum?
I think I really like Leon Masseys summary of how chipp fits the glass cannon archetype. Instead of being high damage-low health hes low health-high amount of options, if that makes sense. He has a good rounded toolset including a meterless reversel, a lot of mixups, very high speed making it easy for him to start his pressure, a lot of variied pressure with great mental stack, etc. Hes basically a swiss army knive made of diamond that crumbles into dust if you sneeze at him wrong.
That's a good way to put it
Pretty sure a majority would define that as a pixie. Which is more of a sub archetype of this sub archetype. Lots of options and mobility* in exchange for low hp and damage output. Which Chipp, Tianhuao from Them’s Fightin Herds,Smash 4/Ultimate Shiek, and Maypul in Rivals Kimberly in SF6. All characters who have great mobility and a plethora of great buttons but requires at least 2 more sets of interactions compared to the rest of the roster in order to close out a round/stock
@@Yee-Haw_Bird I’d argue that defines millia moreso then strive chipp
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Millia isn't really a lots of options character though, at least not in Strive. She's a setplay character, but her means of getting into position to start her setplay are fairly limited.
@@MILDMONSTER1234 They both are pixies more or less just chipp's offense is based on the in your face compaed to the HKD milia uses
As a chipp main my warm-up routine involves a little bit of combo routing practice, hand stretches, and doing a line of pure colombian cocaine.
Lore accurate
While I will always hold a grudge against Nago for pretty much stealing Sin's strengths, I can't deny that he's hype as hell. Even if getting killed by him can feel like someone just pulled a gun in an armwrestling match.
"He's a trump card, if that card flipped over the table and shot the other player!"
@@TortoiseNotTurtle "He would be of great use to Vegeta!"
@@mikeaft3585 "My son, the planet, or me?"
@@Zevox144 "yes!!!"
@@launcherx2044 *Execution beam to the chest*
_Yes, that ki blast is named_
I see Makoto I click. Great video once again
I appreciate it!
RIGHT? ISN'T MAKOTO THE BEST😭
same lol
Same. But i wish she was talked about morw.
@@152mmapfsds agreed but she is most certainly not a glass cannon. Therefore has technically nothing to do with this video
funny enough akuma went into tekken 7 and instead of remaining a glass cannon, he just became a cannon
me when the 99.99% combo hits:
It's not just that Nagoriyuki has great specials, he also can cancel specials into specials for the cost of more blood, giving him some truly monstrous damage if he chooses to go all in. You just better hope it kills.
And even if it doesn't kill nago has setups for nasty mixups out of a pop combo
I think Mewtwo sorta counts as a Glass cannon. I don't know where else he fits in the archetypes.
he definitely is
Big agree
Smash has a few. Mewtwo, Sephiroth, Fox, Jigglypuff, Little Mac, technically Dr Mario and Ganondorf too.
@@AverageDoctor345 Ganon I wouldn’t call a glass cannon. He’s heavy and that works in his favor. His recovery does suck though.
@@Okenpo Ganon's tough to pin down because he's so bad that he kind of fails to be any specific archetype. He hits hard and tends to die early, so he's a glass cannon in my eyes.
The Phazon Set was when Scarlet was actually busted, and Jiro got insane buffs between 2018 to 2022 (On release, Jiro was just Glass, no cannon, then they buffed his sig power, then buffed sig speed)
I remember the main reason Jiro was played back then is simply because he had one of the best weapon combos at the time being Sword/Scythe.
Sword is very dominant in neutral back then simply by covering the ground with slight and up-air, and the recovery is also good.
Scythe is the high-skill high-reward weapon people loved at the time with people aiming to be good at the weapon left and right.
Not to mention Jiro's sigs has good frame data and reach, but sadly lacking in damage and defense. So people had to put in the extreme work for it.
What about Xull,he has the highest dmg in the game and has a cannon (and my main)
glass cannon isn't really a good descriptor for most of these characters, glass cannons are really meant to, well, be fragile. Makoto and Nagoryuki are better classified as "One-Chance" characters. There are alot of these types of characters in older fighting games, like ABA from GGXX.
Glass cannon is just the wrong descriptor for this kind of character.
These 2 characters both are hard snowballers
Makoto has some of the highest health in the game and while it’s hard to get in (ok ex dash punch is a bit insane tho) once she gets in she can easily snow ball into a win, so in a way it’s more just a Rushdown with less options and more health, but not a grappler, I would just call Makoto a hybrid grappler I guess.
Nago has strike throw off literally anything and his pressure is really strong, but with not many get in options we often have to just watch for gaps in offense and capitalize quickly.
As well as really dumb mixups mid pressure
(I fucking love using f.SS Grab, which is really strong since the 3rd slash is also a frame trap that we often RC out of, or just use beyblade to make it safe)
It’s complicated
I don’t know about makoto but nagoriyuki is quite the opposite of a snowballer, in order to keep a strong pressure and make his strike throw mixups safe he fills up his blood rage and once it goes high enough he can’t use anymore of his special moves unless he wants to risk popping and making it very unsafe for him
@@flamingoraider2658 haha command grab go brrrrr
In all seriousness though if he gets strike throw it does give blood gauge back, enough to do it again or in the case of command grab just straight up make the gauge no matter temporarily
On the off chance that you don’t have meter f.SS -> 4 is still a good pressure tool, and you can start another slash rekka or start denying space with 5HS, 2HS, then go immediately back in with more blood gauge
Guys, youre just saying subcategories of the same shit
I hit them they die
@@TetraBui saying mak has some of the highest health is a bit of a stretch. 1.2k is pretty much the solid average. She has high health for a female character (in early fighting games, Capcom believed women weren't as strong in terms of getting hit, so makoto was a huge deal), but other than that it's whatever
To be honest, Pichu is also a glass cannon. Pichu is a pre-evolution of Pikachu, so he's an echo fighter. Not only does he gives more damage, have much less protection and the lack of a feature of his evolution - squelching after performing an aerial attack, landing on the ground, *Pichu deals damage to himself when using electric attacks*
The glass cannon archetype and pixie archetype tend to go hand in hand with each other most of the time. I'm a big fan of Ms Fortune from Skullgirls, but I think Eliza would fit this list better as a glass cannon
Now Nago can be called a Glass Cannon more easily, before he was like a tank with jet engines. To much HP and Agile before the blood got high.
Now he is more manageble and fits his role better.
Depends on the pilot...
Nice to see that you are doing fighting game and non-fighting game related videos. Keep it up!
Thanks, although I think I will keep non fighting game vids on a separate channel from now on
Ugh, i hate that TH-cam stops recommending you TH-camrs if they haven't uploaded in a while, even if you are subscribed to them. Glad you're back tho, always enjoyed your content!
Thanks for staying around! Yeah TH-cam can be weird like that sometimes, I’m not sure if you have notifications on or not but sometimes it just doesn’t get pushed.
Also characters that don’t have low health (average or above average HP) but instead exchange HP for powerful attacks I think count as glass canons too. Cause while they still might have good defense they still have too sacrifice health which may end up backfiring. Carmine from Under Night, Mira from Killer Instinct, A.B.A from Guilty Gear all do INSANE damage and have good defense and defensive options but reckless behavior will get you killed like Nago
I did not know akuma was a glass canon. Damn I really do play a diverse group of fighting game characters.
If you can get through his offense, he goes down pretty quick.
You mentioned Brawlhalla's two defense club and i have to say, as an Ada main and Thea/Jiro Enthusiast, i totally get the feeling of the glass cannon archetype and that's why i love this type of characters, the adrenaline rush of eat or be eaten is just so much fun than any other legend in the game, they either deal insane damage or zoom around the stage, but when Xull or Teros appear on my screen, the rush becomes even more fun
it's a fun gamble
I used to think the 2/3def guys were bad when I hardcore mained Nix (like only played her. ever. for a few months. it was an… experience), but only when you actually make yourself play them do you realize they’re fun. Now, I’m still pretty sure I’m better with Nix or any other character with an existent defense stat, but Jiro is more fun so he’s my main now.
(My first-ever main was Ada. I was horrendous with her and that’s kind of why I used to think the 3def squad were bad. My brother mained Jiro and he had the most annoying, passive playstyle ever before he quit. Turns out it’s a skill issue. 3def squad are not good for beginners, but once you actually have something of an idea what you’re doing they’re fun.)
Another good Glass Cannon example is Mira(Killer Instinct). A vampire who's special moves literally drain her life (she also has special moves to get it back).
Great video!
I always classed Chipp as a "Glass Gattling" sure he don't hit hard but if he's sprayin and prayin you're still gonna be in trouble
I really love Makoto, I hope she comes back in Street Fighter 6
So do i!
0:16 this screen transition made me think my phone was gonna fall. I think I need to go to sleep.
Finn from MultiVersus is a pretty good example, he has a lot of moves that you kinda have to respect, like bag, Dair or BMO Chop, but if you hit him three times with Superman, he's already at kill percent.
not really he's a rush down being able to always be on top of you with gem. He's not low weight either he's middle out of the main cast
@@jackmccullough2739 yeah arya would've been a better example consider she was capable of doing high damage while also being one of the actual lightest characters
I love playing glass cannons whenever I’m playing for fun/with friends, it shifts tides in the game a lot, so it’s a lot more interesting imo
Fighting game discussions are some of my favorite TH-cam videos. Glad I found your channel.
this is the first time I've seen a TH-cam video that talks about fighting games broadly and actually includes Brawlhalla 😭 lol thank you. my girl was feeling left ouuttttttt
Brawlhalla is the game I started out with so I include it in my videos
I always forget his name but the penguin guy from bloody roar always comes to mind. His hyper beast mode being the phoenix was literally glass cannon as if you could not kill In The duration of your transformation you lost all transformations even your basic one for the round was a cool concept
My interpretation of Makoto has always been that of a Tank. A high health character with high damage that has stunted movement but not limited movement like how other fighting games have grapplers lose things like dashes air dashes double jumps etc. She has a slow walk speed but an actually insane dash but putting these traits together makes her movement not technically bad but more committal and harder to redirect. And in terms of health she has a high base health especially for the old SF female characters since by design they were made to on average have less than male characters and Makoto is actually up there in 3rd strike.
Another example I could give for the archetype would be Susanoo from BB since he's certainly got that high health and damage but his dash/run is the only one in the game with significant start-up but when actually used he has one of the fastest ground speeds in the game. So similarly to Makoto's forward dash punch special in some scenarios its better for him to just use a special to get in.
Regardless great video!
Little thing about jigglypuff :
You aren't vulnerable for 30 frames, you are INVINCIBLE for 30 frames (roughly, I think it's more like 27).
If you miss rest, you are vulnerable for about 3/4 seconds, and if you hit it, you can cancel it early (around 1/2 seconds)
Was looking to see if anyone mentioned this. can you imagine if missing only gave you 30 frames of vulnerability LOL
If you miss rest you are vulnerable for WAY more than 45 frames (in melee)
Asuka is this to a T. He's so volatile in both ways of the spectrum. You either get ran over by him or you completely stomp him. He's just built to snowball very hard in both ways.
I don't think puff should be a glass cannon. While it has very little defense, but in platform fighters recoverability is as much if not more as a factor and puff has a lot of it.
True, you do have way more leeway in terms of recovery in platform fighters (especially puff), but in terms of physical attributes she fits the description. It is debatable once you put more context around it.
@@typhoonbh i was thinking the same thing, if ur on dreamland puff becomes pretty tanky in ssbm unless youre fox
Puff literally dies from shield break, i think glass cannon fits fine
There is a reason why Puff is below mid tier in 5/6 smash games...
@@SchizoCannibal puff is THE worst character in sm4sh
Pumped and primed man !!!!
chef’s kiss
A classic
Common mistake: in brawlhalla defense doesn't equal how much damage you take it's how far you get hit. And the same is true for strength.
extremely fancy way of saying "anger issues"
Pichu for sure is a glass cannon. Have a friend who plays him and he used to destroy me every time but the second I could get one good hit it was over. Actually very fun to play against
No pichu is a joke character
@@boogsss2 I guess it depends on how you look at it. I would consider him a glass cannon because he has high damage but hurts himself and is lightweight. To me a joke character in smash would be more like Mr Game and watch or wario because there moves are goofy and weird.
I think in less generous terms these characters are often referred to as Robbery characters. In terms of Street Fighter and Guilty Gear at least this generally means having extremely powerful offensive options in exchange for a complete lack of defensive ones or poor neutral. The health pool is kind of irrelevant here as usually these characters have reasonably high health pools in exchange for having to hold whatever their opponent puts them in.
For Street Fighter 5 that'd be Oro, G, and Balrog (Among a few others I'm sure), for Strive I'd give it to Goldlewis and Nago. Funny enough for Street Fighter 6 I'd have to give the title to Aki, although Marissa is up there too.
These characters tend to be pretty mid-tier most of the time (Except SF5 Balrog, I think he was generally accepted to be high tier by the end, and Nago was Strive's demon for several seasons). Tournament level players prefer consistency and these characters tend to be very coinflippy, there's a reason why the "Nago round" was a thing, where you guess wrong one time and Nago just wins, not your fault.
nago is still one of the strongest characters in the game easily top 5
Robbery is exactly how I describe playing Lucia in SF5. All-out offense to knock off at least 40% health before I got beaten enough to acquire vtrigger, at which point a single poke becomes 60%. Her health was bad, her defense was wonky and her buttons were stubby, but if I touched the opponent with my vtrigger active, they were probably gonna take a hard L.
As a brawlhalla player, i can say this video is really well put together. Brawl's glass cannons benefit a lot from lots of speed, strenght or great sigs to keep the enemy at bay. Most of them have combo heavy weapons to rack up dmg, for their lack of taking it.
Only character i would add to the list is Xull (with strenght stat he has the most strenght at 10, but at the cost of 1 defense, making him have 4). Like you said, glass canonns most of the time don't go hit for hit, but as the strongest character in the game this oddly suits him. Altho he lacks combo options.
Great vid though, would love to see more stuff like this!
In dive kick, everyone is glass cannon!
2:04 a glass UZI
How many hits to lose half his bar in a punishment combo!
Ik that the video speaks from a fighting game perspective, but to me the best example of a glass-cannon is the Magic-User from Shadow over Mystara.
You get access to a lot of spells, most of which are AoE (Fireball, Reverse Gravity, Ice Storm) or multi hit (Magic Missile, Lightning Bolt, Flesh to Stone).
But you have little to no access to any defensive equipment/spells; you get a short teleport for your backdash and Projected Image, which makes 3 copies of yourself for a short time, and can't equip shields or armor (the only bit of armor you can use is a helmet).
On top of that, Magic-User has the lowest HP pool of the game and can't get any weapons until mid to late game since you're limited to staffs. Plus the damage for them is... Bad, to say the least. Although, there is an attack you can make that has a chance of paralysing enemies for a short period, which has a short melee range.
Anyway, thank you for listening to my ted talk
My favorite example of Glass Canon was SFIV Seth. He had the lowest HP in the game, but he didnt do a lot of damage compared to like Makoto, his OP characteristics came from versatility which is different from a tradition glass canon.
Phoenix from MvC is a pretty notorious glass cannon.
Her health is so low in a game where almost any combo is already a Touch of Death she's so fragile a stray half combo or a single super can kill her.
For context she has ~half the health of average character.
And if you commit to saving up 5 bars of super for Dark Phoenix she games some of the most oppressive normals and like nagoriyuki her health continuously drains to one.
IMO, she is THE glass cannon of fighting games, even more than Akuma, and I've always been a SF guy.
it's weird to have nago on here, a character i'd argue doesn't quite fit the bill even after all his changes since his health drain is more about meter management than something that absolutely has to happen to him, but not mention chipp or , maybe the best example in the series, baiken pre-strive. nagoryuki launched with a really unga bunga ass playstyle and after his changes you get punished for not considering his meter , but a smart nago player is still fully capable of being relatively chunky. baiken in xrd, xx, and even gg1 was maybe the ultimate glass canon though. she barely had any health and could get blown up by combos super easily but had the unique advantage of never truly losing her "turn". she had multiple moves you could do *while in blockstun* which meant the opponent had to rely on forcing you to whiff or make bad moves rather than putting a ton of pressure on her with blockstrings. she was a super fun and interesting character but it did result in her being either insanely good or insanely bad in every game she was in. i like her strive iteration plenty but having her go from one of the most difficult and edge-of-your-seat characters in the series to someone who is pretty basic is a little sad to me
I think it has something to do with how varied his playstyle can be, you can play him extremely patiently like iwan or verix who I never saw pop or really exemplify his glass cannon-ess like hotashi who uses all his blood in 1 combo
You should do a video on puppet characters, I've been practicing Kenshi in MK1 and it's such a fun archetype.
I'll look into it
wait i did talk about them lol i forgot th-cam.com/video/N0movCCas_A/w-d-xo.html
Disagree with Jigglypuff being a good example of glass cannon. At least in melee, Puff can die very early but the floatiness responsible makes her harder to combo and she's got good recovery. The floatiness also makes it so that confirming stray hits into killing blows becomes much harder for most of the cast as their moves will push puff out of reach.
IMO Ice climbers is a better example. In both melee and brawl, they're able to kill off of any grab (pre wobbling ban) but due to their wonky nature as puppet characters, they can be easily separated off of most hits which severly gimps the remaining character.
It’s weird nobody mentioned Phoenix from MVC3. She’s arguably one of the strongest characters in the roster but at the cost of having very little health, with it being just 1 hyper combo to kill her.
happy thanksgiving Typhoon! (also do you think you can do a vid on unusual fighting games?)
Haha I’m Canadian so we celebrated thanksgiving earlier but happy thanksgiving to you too!, but that idea sounds interesting. I’d have to look into it
your editing is insane
i had no idea who you were until today but you've definitely earned my sub good man
Thank you so much!
You could also view Makoto as a glass cannon based on her SA 3 in 3rd strike. It increases her strikes by 25%, but she loses the ability to block while it's active with parry becoming her only defensive option
Fun fact about nagoriyuki while whaling and being all up in peoples face you can counter act blood rage with one of his supers and completely negate it back to zero and continue on with little reprecussions. Really pisses my buddy off when i do it, but makes me happy when it happens loll
Mira from Killer Instinct is the best version of giving up health for offense imo.
Nago has her damage potential. Avatar Belial has her combo extensions. But she also has setups and mobility and even a little bit of lame-out ability if you get a big lead, cap it off with health drain, then sit back to bait the opponent into hanging themselves with her good normals and decent projectiles.
Makoto has been one of my favorite fg characters since I first played 3rd strike
i would argue that chipp is a glass cannon that deserves to be on this list because the cannon part from his kit comes from his advantageous position he gets after landing a hit
I feel like neco arc fits in as a glass canon.
"left vulnerable for about 30 frames" my boy rest leaves jiggs sleeping for like 4 whole seconds lol
Eliza from tekken 7 is a great example of glass cannon archetype, didnt know it was even an archetype until i watched this vid
3:25 you got it right the first time, Thea also has 3 defense.
I knew I was missing something, completely forgot about it thea
I caught the missing Thea the first time through, the moment I saw the 2def club page I was like “how old’s this video and where’s Thea”.
Probably my favourite glass cannon is Link from Smash 64. He has awful recovery, even compared to a cast with nearly universal terrible recoveries. Getting sent offstage is essentially a loss. But! He has incredible kill power and decent zoning ability with a projectile (boomerang) that constantly threatens to start death combos if it catches you.
Glad someone is talking about my goat jiro
Glass canons are the truly glory of FGC clips
They'll either make it or BREAK it
Nago and makoto are TOD (touch of death), and akuma is a rushdown shoto. hell, makoto is even more of a grappler than a class cannon
That’s why I like to categorize class cannon as a sub archetype because it is usually combined with others
Going back to Melee, a very funny glass cannon is Game and Watch because his shield doesn’t even cover him fully, making him use light shielding which limits your oos options. He’s also suppppppeeeer light but he also just has amazing aerials and some good normals as well (not like broken because Melee has much better characters)
I remember when one of those videos about fighting game character archetypes (I’m sure half of y’all will know what I mean) got to rushdown, they were listing off characters from different games, then they got to DBFZ and said “DBFZ - …every character is a rushdown character.” Which is funny (although zoners are more viable after recent patches) but I feel like in fairness, when those videos get to gimmick characters, they should also say “Guilty Gear… every character is a gimmick character.” I mean don’t get me wrong, I love that about it
Vergil from UMVC3 probably counts as glass cannon.
High damage, easy to pull combos, and small HP (2 sets of combo could actually kill him, that is if you missed to devil trigger him when he got rushed)
Makotos dp, ex dp, j. Axe kick, ex fireball combonis stuck in my head forever.
As a bedman main, I enjoy knowing I get to force my opponents to block for half a minute while they try to understand what the heck I'm doing
Makoto is super neat in 3S because she absolutely plays like a grappler but her threat is situational. If she has meter and has her back to the wall, one grab can end the game with her touch of stun SA2 combo that's a ToD on a lot of characters. The risk-reward balance of her grab is dynamic throughout the round which opens up fun mind games.
I never gave it much though but I seem to gravitate to these types of characters, I main Jigglypuff in smash and ada (3def) in brawlhalla. Interesting video
Even though Yumiko isn’t in the 2 def club but is a literal glass canon of dominating with a combo and pick off kills with a heavy attack
Little Mac is an interesting glass canon that is possible only in a plateformer : he basically struggle to recover on the stage and can't hit in the air but has great power on the ground.
Phoenix in umvc3 is a great example
Ollie in Idol Showdown.
She has the lowest health, gets one less burst but she absolutely mops on offense and can apply powerful pressure and potential damage using her health with her 214M
imo, Neo Kakyoin from the Capcom 98's JoJo game is a perfect example of a glass cannon, he is very fast and high damage, but seems to be the character with the lowest HP in the whole game... is like a balanced version of Kakyoin
im surprised you didn't mention lin fei for brawlhalla ! she's one of the true glass cannons (pun intended) and has been creeping her way into tournaments
lin fei isn't that strong, she only has 3 base attack which is why I left her off the list
@@typhoonbhwould she be a pixie then?
@@victorvirgili4447 I would say so
Chipp in previous version of GG did great damage actually lol. Mainly Plus R. Now he wasn’t exactly deleting hp bars or anything but it was higher then he reasonably should have lol
I immediately clicked when I saw jiro from brawlhalla
Nagoriyuki is my fav that risk reward is an adrenaline fix in fights.
i just realised that i all my life i've been a glass cannon main ( fox , ike , dragunov and lars in tekken , nagoryuki , nash, nagato in naruto storm etc ) I AM THE CANNON HIMSELF
"Just don't get hit." Is the first line that comes to mind if genshin ever gets pvp
I come from Tekken and imo the best character from t7 to classify as a glass cannon is Lucky Chloe. She has a high risk/high reward playstyle. Boasting some of the highest combo damage in the game, she can melt your health in as little as 2 interactions but it comes at the cost of being highly punishable. Her most rewarding tools can be sidestepped or are extremely unsafe on block.
Kilik in SC6 too has a super that reduces his HP for a ton of attack power
I would say Miss Fotune from skullgirls is a great instance of a glass cannon taking extra health when you combo her with her head. Additionally her already insane mixup becomes beyond 3 way or 4 way… she’s evil to play against especially with her IAD buttons. Need to learn her if i wanna win and understand her mixups but im a dirty squigly main.
Pichu
The whole self damage thing
Need I explain more?
Pichu is a gimmick not an archetype
Theres gotta be players who thrive in pixel health. I would love that
I just wanna shout out to ultimate for giving us the best version of puff in the franchise, they took one of the most toxic 1 note defensive characters and made her actually relay on other moves besides back air and rest lmao
The ape escape like ost be clapping
The minute i started playing brawlhalha jiro was my main for life
On the topic of Brawlhalla, I’m dying to have a glass cannon gauntlets legend
My first thoughts were Jam Kuradoberi from Guilty Gear and Enkidu from UNI. Mostly because I have a friend of mine who basically only plays glass cannons and he also plays those two.
Surprised you didn't go for the glass Nuke: Phoenix in MvC3. Probably the one who takes it to the most logical extreme.
My favorite type is the most underused in games. The mechanical neutral.
We know Genji in Overwatch is a low defense high damage counter elite skill character dashing around and parrying for sick video montages.
But in Brawlhalla my favorite is just the fists. The weapons can technically be superior but also focused. Bigger hit area for larger wind up time and more damage for for being able to cancel longer attacks. Fists are perfect. Enough to skill around everyone and deal good damage but just tanky enough to recover more easily. I wish more games had this high skill Genji on more neutral stats.
Don't forget Chipp's full screen grab super that does a lot of damage. That's a cannon in my book. He just has to build meter first which isn't difficult for him.
I just realized with this video that all the characters I use in Brawlhalla are glass cannons (Ada, Jiro and Ember). That explains a lot.
i absolutely love jiro
mvc2 wolverine is such a glass cannon. hits hard, is really fast, aggresive and has lower health than a fucking SERVBOT
I like rush down, as long as it has speed idc if it has good damage or good defense. Sort of like ken which is shoto and rushdown or lucien and vector from brawlhalla.
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Thanks for sticking around! It says you've been subbed for 1 year that's amazing
@typhoonbh no worries man! Always a nice time whenever I see a new upload :D. hope you've been well, take care brother.
@@NaderMaray I've been good, just busy with school stuff, thanks for checking in I appreciate it, hope you're doing well too!
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How to play as a glass cannon character: "Just don't get hit"
How to play against a glass cannon character: "Just don't get hit"
SF4 Makoto was my jam!
loved her both in third strike and sf4