Creating an Ultimate Miter Saw Fence! Did I just crack the dust extraction code for a Miter Saw?

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  • This video is about creating an Ulitmate Miter Saw Fence!
    In this video, I show different versions, and one of them is definitely worth considering adding to your own Miter Saw.
    It will take working with your Miter Saw to a new level.
    On my website, you can find a lot of information on more upgrades for your workshop. Visit: hookedonwood.o...
    Products Shown in this video:
    Bessey Hold Down clamps.
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    1. Hongdui Edge Trimmer
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    2. Doweling Jig / Multi-row puncher
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    3. 20-watt diode laser
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    4. Drill guide cabinet jig
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    5. T-ruler
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    6. Precision square
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    7. Miter square
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    My name is Dennis and I am from Hooked on Wood.
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    My TH-cam channel is a hobby. This means I try to upload 1 a 2 video's a month. But this is not at a specific schedule. So If you do not want to miss my videos. Subscribe and click the notification.
    Products I use in my workshop.
    Table saw with dust system:
    Felder 740S Slider
    Felder 140
    Workbench:
    Incra master-R-router lift
    AEG 1400w router
    Incra 25" SL positioner with Wonder Fence
    Drill press: Jet JDP 15B
    Miter saw: Festool Kapex 60
    Different links to products I use
    Clamps:
    Axminster trade hold down clamps
    Piher Rail guide clamps
    Micro Jig dovetail clamps
    Bessey parallel clamps
    Axminster trade parallel clamps
    Push blocks
    Micro Jig Gripper
    Incra Push block
    Thank you for viewing.
    Best regards,
    Dennis

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  • @rossen_nikov
    @rossen_nikov ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You have proved it useless, but you've done it with so much passion and ingenuity that at end it starts to look a real success. :) Respect for the perseverance and precision you have put!

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😀😀

    • @timforgot
      @timforgot ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HookedonWood The solution is to ditch the kapex and get the Makita 😂

  • @SaultiBalldeip
    @SaultiBalldeip ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The perforated fence you have created there on the right side of the video was actually already done by Frank Haworth. About a year or two ago. He created almost an identical setup with the vacuum attached. Just an FYI

  • @james_860
    @james_860 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dennis, Great video…definitely not a waste of time. What you created is very much functional and a beautiful piece of art. Thank you for sharing.

  • @FormBuildDesign
    @FormBuildDesign ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This fence looks like an artwork. Great stuff

  • @mikelastname
    @mikelastname ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So much fun to watch and those acrylic parts for the fences looked magnificent. I will be doing the zero clearance fence but have decided that the only effective way to remove that dust is to put the saw in a giant acrylic box like a fume hood.

    • @BarrySumpter
      @BarrySumpter ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here. I'd love to see your design.

  • @jamesg2382
    @jamesg2382 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice work, great that you can be honest about how successful the project was. Thank you

  • @antonoat
    @antonoat ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Dennis, I don’t know if you realise but you are creating the sexiest looking woodshop on the whole of the internet 🤣😂. The black Valchromat with the other choices of materials looks amazing and now bringing Acrylic into the equation surely there are no limits! Really enjoy seeing your inspiring projects, thank you so much for sharing them with us, have a great weekend! 👏👍😀

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! I indeed starting to realize it is becoming a dream workshop! The crazy thing is, it inspires myself to continue. Love what I am doing

  • @bradleytuckwell4881
    @bradleytuckwell4881 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It is the most messiest tool in the shop when it comes to dust so even if it’s just a slight improvement to dust extraction that’s a win and I think you have achieved that Dennis so well done. And yes you have inspired me to try and improve mine.

    • @daverowe4566
      @daverowe4566 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      you must not own a Lathe🤣

    • @bradleytuckwell4881
      @bradleytuckwell4881 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@daverowe4566 oops I forgot about the lathe yes I do but I should use it more. And your right it is as messy

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@daverowe4566 🤣🤣

    • @daverowe4566
      @daverowe4566 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HookedonWood I'd be very interested in seeing your ideas on dust/chip collection at the lathe!

  • @dominicmancini5013
    @dominicmancini5013 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great piece of engineering there! Hats off 🙌🏽

  • @Raul28153
    @Raul28153 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like it. I especially like the Zero clearance insert. My Bosch Glide would be very well served by a set up similar to that, and I can create a replaceable ZCI for various cuts.
    The Festool does such a good job on the Duct control that you efforts were only able to produce a marginal improvement. The Glide is a dust monster.

  • @Arcarius76
    @Arcarius76 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Once again, your video inspires and makes me think again about my shop. Your attention to details and your ability to design something that looks like a work of art is amazing! Thank you for your continual work in producing these videos. I love it!

  • @Faber_Nox
    @Faber_Nox ปีที่แล้ว

    Best dust extraction seen yet for a mitre saw, good job

  • @bartjongsma7137
    @bartjongsma7137 ปีที่แล้ว

    Again it still keeps getting better and better. Thanks Dennis

  • @garyknable1155
    @garyknable1155 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the fence and hold down design very nice and that is a finally a solution part

  • @markpapp8784
    @markpapp8784 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another fine video; thanks. I would never make the under-saw box like that because I am clumsy and the box would soon fill with tiny (but probably vital) things that my clumsy fingers would drop! I'll certainly think about fence extraction - what a great idea.

  • @todddonovan9780
    @todddonovan9780 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dennis, you always make me laugh with your enthusiasm! You've such a positive personality. Thanks for your videos.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your comment. Appreciated🙏

  • @Malakawaka
    @Malakawaka 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved the clamps.

  • @ronboe6325
    @ronboe6325 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In any event; those fences look great! Zero clearance works great - so some small wins there. Thinking out loud, maybe a short vacuum hose attached to the base that you can manipulate by hand after a few cuts to clean up the stubborn dust the extractors don't get. Old school, but being right at hand, maybe good enough.

  • @Toyotajunkie
    @Toyotajunkie ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That's a lot of work you went through to make so many versions and upgrades! But it does look terrific and I am definitely wanting to do something similar!
    I can't find black MDF around me (for a decent price/quality ratio) but I absolutely love the look of all your creations and very much wish I could achieve it. I guess stains will have to suffice. Ha ha!
    Thank you so much for the time, effort, expense, AND the inspiration!

  • @MikeProjects_MP
    @MikeProjects_MP ปีที่แล้ว

    a pleasure to see you in action. everything is very good explained! thanks for sharing it with us :)

  • @idlersdream826
    @idlersdream826 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing design yet again Dennis and yes you have inspired me to improve the fence on my Makita saw with zero clearance and those clamps 👍

  • @tpaulsmith7194
    @tpaulsmith7194 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful work as normal, Dennis!

  • @fivedays68
    @fivedays68 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i just admire your channel, its so informative and well produced. well done Dennis 🙂

  • @andrewsmall2718
    @andrewsmall2718 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great video Dennis. I got a lot from this one. As someone from a designer background I appreciate the time and effort that goes in and you don’t always achieve the result you were looking for. But the are always great learnings to take from it. My mantra has always been to try to keep it simple and always be prepared to go back in order to move forward. Knowledge and expertise come from exactly this kind of project. Invaluable and great to see you doing this stuff, with finesse and attention to detail. Keep them coming Dennis. 👍

  • @MrPatdeeee
    @MrPatdeeee ปีที่แล้ว

    As always Dennis is a NONE Finer person. Thank you kind Sir for sharing your incredible talents. I would love to meet you and see your woodworking building sometime in the future. And give you the tip of my hat for what you have done for us. Thanks again.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your kind words! Always appreciate your comments 🙏

  • @glynprice3815
    @glynprice3815 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work Denis. Thank you for sharing your skill.

  • @crisilinca9290
    @crisilinca9290 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Denis ! You KILLED it !

  • @nirgosh
    @nirgosh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video for a noble cause... The following comes to mind: Inlets in the fence might be too many - creating turbulent airflow. I'd think of trying staggered horizontal slots concentrating at the bottom of the fence. Also I think of a system that allows to seal the zero clearance slot behind the workpiece - which usually engages not more than 6" of the cutting capacity. Don't give up.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Nir!
      For now I want to enjoy and I take your advice when I try again next time!

  • @TheClashen
    @TheClashen ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Being a retired engineer coming from an industry in which ventilation and extraction was something we put a lot of effort into I find your videos excellent. There are a few videos out there of woodworkers looking for solutions to this issue. If could be as bold to make a suggestion or two. As your design using acrylic allowing you to see more clearly the nature of the extraction has some advantages worth exploiting. I would suggest to anyone working on this issue to use a smoke generator to see your airflow patterns. This would allow you to see were you are promoting laminar flow rather than turbulent flow. I always found this an interesting subject all these years ago in University, Reynolds numbers and all that. I would be interested though a wee test on the holes you placed on your fence, you rounded over the holes on the inlet side but also on the back, not sure rounding the holes on the inside is an advantage as this will possibly help develop turbulent flow characteristics. Basically you are wanting to develop an extraction path withe the least number of expansion voids and with as little pipe surface roughness that you can.
    I look forward to seeing your beautifully crafted systems and how they work. Keep these videos coming thank you

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Thanks Kenny,
      I made the holes round at the inside because they have to make a turn to the dust extraction pipe, and this way, my thinking is there is a little bit less resistance.
      My experience with a turbulent flow, in this case inside the Fence extraction, is, that it will better clean the whole inside. So, I do not see it as a benefit. But I lack the knowledge to create an airstream the way I would prefer. So, it is more try-and-error based. But I will thank you for your comments, I find it interesting and will keep this in mind. Especially a smoke generator is something that would also be interesting to show on a video how things go. Thanks Again.

    • @TheClashen
      @TheClashen ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@HookedonWood Hi Dennis, I nearly added the comment about the advantages of rounded edges on the outlet of a hole myself. However I do try not to be long winded in my reply’s however being brief in comments is not a strong point of mine. Like you say it is an advantage for a change of direction of flow. However as I am sure you are aware, is you are adding a feature to reduce the negative affects of a part of the design which is the change of direction. The sharper the change of direction the more issues you will normally encounter. Turbulent air flows ie Reynolds numbers greater than 2000 can be used to advantages in some scenarios but in your designs I think this would not be of benefit however I will have a longer think on that. I used to use as an example to young engineers dirty cars that you need to wash. Which areas does the grim settle and why? Which areas do you have to clean out the dirt and leaves and why is that the case, if you had the object in a wind tunnel test what would you expect to see with the direction of air flows. I liked to think of it as rolling a marble you want to get from point A to point B with as little loss of momentum and energy as you can. Once it starts bouncing around in your pipe you have less control on it and it’s destination and is less likely to end up in your desired location.

    • @timforgot
      @timforgot ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@TheClashen It's remarkable how little innovation there has been in the woodworking tool industry over the last 70 years, especially wrt dust extraction. I mean, the 'dust pumps' are still for sale everywhere, so , presumably, they're being sold. I very much appreciate this conversation - both your expertise, Kenny, and Dennis's ingenuity. Thanks to you both. 🖖

    • @timforgot
      @timforgot ปีที่แล้ว +3

      BTW, Dennis, I now have two 3-motor Camvacs in my ~2000sf workshop, and they are amazing, replacing much larger machines and with much less noise and better results. They're each hooked up to an XL Dust Deputy (one of those for each) and I added a MERV-15 filter (12x24 - overkill, but they're cheap/ubiquitous and have no chance of restricting airflow) to my version of the 'sound reduction' outlet box that you made a year or so ago. That way I don't lose any heat in the winter, but still have clean air. In the summer, I vent outside.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@timforgot Great to read this! I still love them also I will design a new whispering box because I have a nice new idea about that :-) But I see the benefits of a larger High pressure system. It is some much more forgiving for duct design of your shop. That is why I think although they may perhaps have less of a CFM, in the end, I think it will be higher at the machine site compared to a High Volume system. And with two off them in your shop, you take it seriously 🙂

  • @johanfmatthee7328
    @johanfmatthee7328 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir, you are absolutely amazing!

  • @peternatoli2555
    @peternatoli2555 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Verry nice ,Dennis.
    I thought years ago to recommend that dust holes be cut through the top surface of a table saw where the dust goes most as you have done in front of the mitre saw.
    Dennis, what do you think of plumbing the space under the zero clearance insert for dust?
    I notice that the cup under the base of festool routers does not catch all the dust. Could you design a catcher a bit like the Festool but, with a small dust tube strategically positioned in it, to intensify the vortex allready in the opening in the router base when the motor is on.
    Peter Natoli

  • @TheYannci
    @TheYannci ปีที่แล้ว

    Dennis, thank you for your great videos!

  • @Travmoral
    @Travmoral ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the content! Keep up the good work. Chicago, IL

  • @mauserkk98
    @mauserkk98 ปีที่แล้ว

    If nothing else it simply looks great .

  • @markbarrett1632
    @markbarrett1632 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is dedication 👍

  • @jamesgray3057
    @jamesgray3057 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent video, you have inspired me to make some changes to my mitre saw

  • @BarrySumpter
    @BarrySumpter ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic vid. Thanks for the time and effort. Would be happy to pay for plans.

    • @BarrySumpter
      @BarrySumpter ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL! Intended to recreate this mod. So Spent a day creating a model of the left and right fence in Sketchup.
      Only to find out he's removed the fence entirely.
      LOL! But I've never ever post that publicly.

  • @BigDan1190
    @BigDan1190 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know there are obviously some visible shavings/chips left on the surface, these aren't a problem - its the dust that you can't see that will harm you and it seems like that will be extracted with your set up. Giving a surface a brush down every now and again is fine, its breathing in the fine dust that you can't ignore.

  • @michael.schuler
    @michael.schuler 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am a big fan of your posts and detailed logical approach. As a professional finish carpenter, I am challenged to provide optimal miter saw dust collection/containment while working on site in customer's' homes. Such work involves constant angle changes including odd miter and bevel angles. Has your research produced any designs capable of accommodating such rapid angle changes over the saw's entire range of angular motion? Thank you.

  • @denios36
    @denios36 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you thought about/tried angled dust extraction holes on the fence?
    The dust originates from the position of the saw blade, having holes that are angled to aim at that point should optimize suction I would think.
    Just an idea to waste some more time 😉

  • @mrgunn2726
    @mrgunn2726 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad to have you back?

  • @DonJohn87_YT
    @DonJohn87_YT ปีที่แล้ว

    though not entirely successful it really was a great end result, and a facinating watch!

  • @katekeough9819
    @katekeough9819 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video

  • @Tool_Addicted_Carpenter
    @Tool_Addicted_Carpenter ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe the side fences could simply be hollow with vac ports at each end. Would be easy to execute. Only drawback is on bevels I usually need to take my side fences off. If there was a way to put them behind that could work too. Could also cut a hole on the underside of your saw with a vac port that catches any dust that falls below the clearance plate. I might have to do some experiments. You have my gears turning.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think indeed there are more ways of improving it. From the underside will become too complex for me.

  • @lureup9973
    @lureup9973 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dear God!…when your vacuum hose stuck to the floor I nearly shat myself..that’s some serious suckin power right der!😂

  • @JN2023
    @JN2023 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Miter saw dust is a tough problem. If absolute zero dust is the aim also air pressure from the operator side of the fence in two different angles needs to be added in combination with the suction from behind the fence and from the table. Of course then the solution start to become rediculous. Perhaps good enough, all things considered should be the goal.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think you are right

    • @JN2023
      @JN2023 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Hooked on Wood I also meant that your solution seems to be the most effective on TH-cam in what is feasible and this without over-engineering. And that is impressive in itself. Thanks again! for the video; looking forward to the next one.

  • @LeeMooEez
    @LeeMooEez ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe inverted pyramid design for the bottom base part for passive dust collection + vacuum suction…so the angle and gravity will help you guide the dust..and maybe the air chamber design need to be studied more and use realistic aerodynamic principal design for that

  • @Maurice510
    @Maurice510 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Denis, I just wanted to thank you for all of the hard work you put into these videos and for having the bravery to take on solving dust collection, with a miter saw, and then share that it didn't achieve the results you were hoping for. Sometimes, a solution or improvement is incremental.
    One thought, after seeing your video on the table saw insert, I wondered if your design was inspired by the router table inserts made by Incra? I know you use those at the router table and, years ago, when I first got mine, I couldn't believe how much their design improved dust collection. This makes me wonder if there is an opportunity to improve dust collection, at the miter saw, where the zero clearance insert is? There is not a whole lot of surface space but that insert appears to be one of the culprits standing in the way of solving this problem.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      When I will try again. I will consider your comments 😊. And yes, i think the incra inserts probably played a role.

  • @paulsmith-wx9qz
    @paulsmith-wx9qz ปีที่แล้ว

    To me it looked like a dam good and nice looking fence

  • @hwestra9581
    @hwestra9581 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So at the end, buying a kapex is essentially cracking the code on dust extraction. Thanks for the extra argument of getting myself one, one day😅

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, you basically summarized my whole video, which cost me lots of effort to create, in one short sentence :-) That said, you will love your Kapex one day!

    • @hwestra9581
      @hwestra9581 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha, yeah I'm sorry for the spoiler. Although your video is more then that! It's not a code but more of a formula on reaching the optimum between usability and dust extraction.

    • @michaelsnelling2918
      @michaelsnelling2918 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would be interested to know why you went for the Kapex 60 and not the 120?

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelsnelling2918 That had all to do with the investment on that moment. But, I did only a few times needed the capacity of the 120. Which can be solved by turning the workpiece around. Now with my slider, I do not need a 120. But I think the 120 is better in every way, so when you think it is worth it and it fits your budget. I would opt for the 120

  • @dfs7979
    @dfs7979 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neat idea. I am jealous of your black MDF. I can't find anything like that in the Midwest United States.

  • @66meikou
    @66meikou ปีที่แล้ว

    That's some bling system you built there mate! Sexy as well!
    I might be wrong but the blade spins anti clockwise to the user? What about the idea of making some form of exactor below the cutting plate? I also think the behind the blade shroud should extend past the blade on both sides.
    What do I know thow, I'm just an architect not an engineer?

  • @dmmflys
    @dmmflys ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video as always thx for your efforts

  • @naimaaouni6881
    @naimaaouni6881 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ben altijd onder de indruk van uw creativiteit!

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, leuk om te lezen👍

  • @onecarwood
    @onecarwood ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always!

  • @GNU_Linux_for_good
    @GNU_Linux_for_good ปีที่แล้ว

    The world has lost another rocket scientist _[this is somewhat over the top]_ .

  • @jerrynix5206
    @jerrynix5206 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Dennis for a great video! Everything in the shop looks top notch, as always. Can't wait until I get my shop built. I'm also in love with that black MDF, it looks so awesome in your shop, so i'll be borrowing a few ideas from you 🤫😁

  • @rodneyhightowerjr.4327
    @rodneyhightowerjr.4327 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great job! What is the black MDF material you're using? I need that

  • @wyngaart1
    @wyngaart1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Dennis, for the dustextraction in the fence, what if you make the holes on an angel so the are directed more at the sawblade.

  • @kevinwillis6707
    @kevinwillis6707 ปีที่แล้ว

    funny i was looking at the gweike cloud yesterday, seems good value for a powerful machine, and i like the enclosed work area., fence looks great dennis.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Kevin, So far it is a very nice machine. There are some small things and I have to install a camera when you want to work with Lightburn. When I read how this should work I am afraid it will not be easy. But I will try next week. Hope to do a review next month. I think they will give me a discount code. So perhaps, you can use this for a better deal since you probably have to buy it online. But it is a big step forward from the lasers I tested before. I think this one is capable of running a small business.

    • @kevinwillis6707
      @kevinwillis6707 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HookedonWood they have certainly come down a lot in price since i first looked at them 7 or 8 years ago they wanted $10,000 for that size of desktop machine.Omtech do a similar sized laser that looks almost identical, but dont see it available in europe yet. im awaiting delivery of a new cnc so maybe the laser will have to wait awhile, cheers.

  • @JanHilt
    @JanHilt ปีที่แล้ว

    Lekker Dennis. Ga zo door. 👍

  • @stevalty
    @stevalty ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful and high-functioning! Hey, I’m old with a rapidly fading brain and waning patience. Any way you will make these for sale?

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am not sure about that. I want to work with it first, perhaps make some changes and see if it is good enough for sale.

  • @saschavolling7808
    @saschavolling7808 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Dennis nice update do you make plans for it for the community would be cool. Very nice through thought.

  • @charlesoliver5834
    @charlesoliver5834 ปีที่แล้ว

    The solution lies in the ability to entrainment all the bouncing bits of particulate swarf. Capture velocity needs to exceed particulate velocity or at least influence its direction into an established directed airflow. Aside from the huge static pressure from your canvas, dust collectors and shopvacs can't as they are cuttently used create enough airflow to entrain particulates outside a very narrow path. Mitersaws are designed to place barriers (support arms, pivot & tilt mechanisms) Particulates coming off the blade are not consistently channeled into the chutes-channels of a negative pressure outlet. Think Push-Pull Ventilation of each particulate generation zone and how to redirect the vectors of the particulates where (changes with sliding, depth of cut, & position in relationship to the megative pressure outlet(s); when they generated. The use of secondary air injection can be used to generate enough directed air velocity to affect the swarf particulates at the time of and location of their generation. ShopVac Blowers can be used to power a positive pressure Manifold from which various sized air jets can be used to deliver sufficient velocity and direction to entrainment all the particulates toward a negative pressure outlet. Blowing the particulates off the sawtooth and gullet can be maximized. Below table swarf never seems to be noticed. A separate balanced push-pull airflow can redirect and entrainment room air to keep this zone clean. As it establishes a directed airflow before the cut is made it air washes the sides of the pathway reducing friction and establishes an entrainment airflow pathway. As more balanced yet powerful enough air injection is used it has other beneficial effects on particulate control. The cfm and airflow velocity is added to the effectiveness of the negative pressure outlet. Additional this will entrain more room air to and through the airflow paths. This may not actually be enough yo create an air curtain or redirect high velocity particulates, but it may re-entrain the smaller and now slower of the escaped swarf. Air Injection ports built into a better built miter saw (any blade) blade shroud, one that is always in contact with the stock surface and nests within itself, would physically block particulate escape and immediately direct swarf to the negative pressure outlet. Think of yourself as a minute particle. You just want to fly on cushions of air, never bump or bang into anything, and make it to the negative pressure outlet. Kit out your own "Magic School Bus" (USA reference, see online) with sensors, maps, and scientific minds and discover how each of our woodworking toys produce particulates and solve the multiple scenarios for 100% evacuation. DIY push-pull will be the stimulus for manufacturers to use existing sciences already in use in other industries concerned with Blowers, Vacuums, pneumatic conveyance, separation science, etc. It just has to be applied to our little world.

  • @ClausAndersen-iz8zl
    @ClausAndersen-iz8zl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ore those DN50 pipes you have for the KS60 and which blast gates are you using?

  • @Dandoestilla
    @Dandoestilla ปีที่แล้ว

    I made similar setup on the bottom on makita saw

  • @habbekrats123
    @habbekrats123 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dennis, That fence for sure does look good, will give it some thought, albeit that I don't have a Kapex. Another question....when I see you applying Rubio on the black MDF, do you use the hardener at all ?

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Ingmar, In this case I did not use the hardener. On my workbench top, I do.

  • @joeatkins4470
    @joeatkins4470 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would you ever consider selling these for the K60? I for one would buy one

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I will consider it. Have to make up my mind about it.

    • @joeatkins4470
      @joeatkins4470 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HookedonWood let me know what you decide - thank you

  • @joshb6897
    @joshb6897 ปีที่แล้ว

    what is the black material that you used?

  • @johnnyb362
    @johnnyb362 ปีที่แล้ว

    From the holes in the fence I thought you’d made it out of 3-2-1 blocks. Now I’m thinking of all the benefits of that. They’re perfectly flat and can be attached to each other. There are holes for dust collection. You could easily modify a hold down clamp to screw into them wherever you needed. They’re fairly cheap and you don’t need a cnc to make them. They’re ferrous so a mag-switch will stick to them for a stop etc. someone tell me why they wouldn’t work before I go order some.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      It is an interesting thought. I think they are too thick for decent dust extraction. Too small of a bevel at the underside. Cummulation of dust en debris can cause problems. If you clamp a hold down clamp on them, that will become too High. You have to place the Hold-Down clamp behind it. But you can lay down one on that section. But I like the out of the box thinking :-)

  • @ivanwalker3391
    @ivanwalker3391 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well now, maestro .... I really enjoyed watching this video.
    Keep 'er lit Bro!

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Ivan, Always nice to read your "Keep'er lit Bro" comments. Miss it when you forget.

    • @ivanwalker3391
      @ivanwalker3391 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HookedonWood Ha! Ha! Ha! Nice one Dennis.

    • @ivanwalker3391
      @ivanwalker3391 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HookedonWood Ooops!
      Keep 'er lit Bro

  • @stevei5130
    @stevei5130 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Denis, you have chosen the smaller Kapex over the Kapex 120. Do you have a reason for the smaller saw?
    Thanks - Steve

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      That was mainly because of the price at that time

  • @danielegger6460
    @danielegger6460 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm curious how your black MDF compares to regular MDF when it comes to air tightness. Regular MDF is probably the worst material you could possibly use for dust extraction jigs. Maybe your coating helps here but in general you might want to consider other materials for dust extraction to avoid the leakage.

    • @LostWhits
      @LostWhits ปีที่แล้ว

      MDF is used for spoilboards on CNC machines that shows how porous they are. I've seen vacuum pumps pull down an 18mm MDF sheet through 30mm of spoilboards.
      Yet MDF is also used for speaker enclosures.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, maybe it is not perfectly air tight with a lot of psi, but I do not think you will notice any difference in this application. But I will keep your suggestion in the back of my mind.

    • @antonoat
      @antonoat ปีที่แล้ว

      I may be wrong but I think I read that Valchromat is higher density than regular MDF, presumably that could have an effect if it is indeed the case! 👍

  • @baltimoreace
    @baltimoreace ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Very interesting stuff. I’ve also never seen anyone put Rubio on mdf. Any specific reason for that as opposed to something cheaper?

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One coat is the most important reason in general. now I have it, I also use it on Rubio. It gives a very nice Matt finish. However, other products are better resistant agains glue.

  • @kpeak1
    @kpeak1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i think the code is throw 3000 watts of suction at the problem, the dust situation better improve

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @kpeak1
      @kpeak1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HookedonWood Excellent video as always Dennis!!!

  • @eladsinay6914
    @eladsinay6914 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Dennis. i was just thinking about what you said about the implosion and thought, is there a way to prevent that from happening by installing a one way valve into the bin that can open in the event of you forgetting to open an inlet and then that valve, due to the pressure increase will begin to suck in air from there to reduce the pressure and thus not allowing it to implode?

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, i think that is one solution. But I also think it would not have happened with a steel bin. Anyway, I have some creative ideas that I want to try. I think that will be a very nice solution😀

    • @eladsinay6914
      @eladsinay6914 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HookedonWood thank you for the reply. one day i hope i can have a small shop and make it look like yours. for now ill live thru you haha

  • @siriosstar4789
    @siriosstar4789 ปีที่แล้ว

    very nice but way to complicated for my shop/garage . if it gets too dusty i just open the garage door ,turn on the blower mode from my vacuum cleaner and blast everything outside .😂

  • @DirkieB
    @DirkieB ปีที่แล้ว

    Fency!

  • @farmcat3198
    @farmcat3198 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you an Industrial Designer?

  • @captnsnafu
    @captnsnafu ปีที่แล้ว

    10:11, nice dive watch, citizen ?
    And of course very nice fence ! Most likely the most over engineered of the TH-cam game ;)

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is a bit of experiment. :-)

  • @luisgavinhos4931
    @luisgavinhos4931 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍

  • @حسامابونور-ث3س
    @حسامابونور-ث3س ปีที่แล้ว

    لا توجد هذه التقنيات في بلادي

  • @duster8100
    @duster8100 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mitre saws are messy things and the biggest issue is the sub 5 micron dust they create which floats away and we then breath in, the messy big debris can be swept up on way or another but the fine dust can't be. Mitre saws need a shroud and that shroud needs at least a 150mm extraction port powered by a DE that will flow at least 1000 CFM and hopefully more and even then there will be some fine dust that escapes. Keep it simple and build a shroud if you have the air flow capacity.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your insight. It is one way of dealing with this. I like to keep my shoo as clean as possible regarding if you can swep it from the floor. This is/was an experiment. It is not so that only big debris will go in the dust extraction and the rest will end up in my nose this way. So, in the end I ask myself how much more effective a big shroud is if you fire all debris into it. If I stop dustextraction in the Miter Saw, it becomes very messy, and not only at the back. I think you need a high pressure system for the dust extraction of the Miter Saw. I don't find a shroud with at least 150mm extraction port and ducting all the way to your dust extractor “ simple”. Perhaps in some cases it will, but for the average hobbies woodworker not. But thanks for letting know an alternative. I can not disagree too much with your view.

    • @duster8100
      @duster8100 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HookedonWood Dennis, you had a go and showed what you did so others can benefit from your experience which is good. Our health depends on how we approach dust extraction, I have seen too many have to give up the hobby because they did not bother about it, even worse are those whose livelihood is affected.

  • @MKRM27
    @MKRM27 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s a lot of “air quotes”

  • @thejohnhend
    @thejohnhend ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy really hates dust.

  • @silevinestbonilfautleboire9645
    @silevinestbonilfautleboire9645 ปีที่แล้ว

    La maniaquerie de la poussière dans un atelier ça a quoi d'utile à part de faire des vidéo?
    On voit peu de réalisation de meubles sur les chaines! C'est bien dommage.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think there are a lot of furniture making channels! Good that there are different channels that offer different content. My Channel is about building a "Dream workshop". And I like to try and design new solutions for common problems to inspire others.

  • @SingleTrack66
    @SingleTrack66 ปีที่แล้ว

    This really sucks.

  • @mravx2993
    @mravx2993 ปีที่แล้ว

    While your solution looks good I just don't get over the fact that multi-million (or even billion) $/€ companies who have access to all the data, top engenieers and the tools to make stuff like this just don't give a flying fck. They could easily solve this themselves and even make more money out of it, but instead they chose to do nothing and risk the health of people since most aren't willing or able to come up with good solutions at home.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, I think that has a lot to do with the design filosofie in the first place. What they want to accomplish. It is a lightweight Miter Saw that is portable and mainly used on the job. It needs to be flexible with a lot of features. How I use it, I can say, I do not use the inclination function so, I can make a higher fence? Because I have it on a fix place, I create a box with three inlets. So, I can understand that I can design it more to my specific needs.

  • @Markus-fw4px
    @Markus-fw4px ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh my gosh, there is dust in the shop. Who cares, it's not a clinic? ;)
    But good approach and nice execution anyway.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว

      You are right. And you always have your lungs as a good filter. I would not care! 👍😀

    • @Markus-fw4px
      @Markus-fw4px ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HookedonWood did you measure the particulate pollution? Guess I missed that.

  • @naughtypine
    @naughtypine ปีที่แล้ว

    As always a very informative video. Thank You

  • @tonyzeh
    @tonyzeh ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I did your zero clearance set up from your older video and instead of using a dovetail. I use domino's that connect the inserts to the side fences. I keep one fence stationary as a repeatable alignment, slide the fence over, to inset the zero clearance and then slide the moveable fence back in place to lock it in. Because of the thickness of the MDF, I do lose the ability to use the stock hold downs. This is a nice alternative. I will never go back to having a miter without the back zero clearance. Thanks!

  • @p8ntblr1
    @p8ntblr1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do you sell the plans for the mitersaw fence? Do you or can you include the svg files for them?

  • @raymagini8994
    @raymagini8994 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Although not the result I was hoping for it was a great video! I really like that you admitted that it isn‘t worth it instead of selling it as a great success.
    👍🏻 for your honesty! This is why I trust your reviews😊
    Also it saved me a lot of time, because I don‘t need to rebuild my miter saw station 😂

  • @barrydoxseyuk
    @barrydoxseyuk ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great effort! Success or failure is a growth in knowledge and understanding. When using mdf, in my opinion, the control of dust is paramount. Love the use of all materials, colours, and strengths.

  • @robthewaywardwoodworker9956
    @robthewaywardwoodworker9956 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well, whatever you decide, you've made a couple of pieces of art, for sure! Very cool design and execution.

  • @manofmystery5709
    @manofmystery5709 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I seriously need to find a source for this black MDF aka "hard MDF" here in the US. It looks like this MDF is more stable and able to be used as more than just surface scrap for workshop builds and jigs, while also being more aesthetic.

    • @danmac4132
      @danmac4132 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i was able to source this in Seattle, WA. Best I could find was 5/8, but think for the majority of future projects like this, it'll be fine.

  • @paultatangw5497
    @paultatangw5497 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your work always looks like a piece of art! Well done, Dennis. Love your content!

  • @ellaarchbold8683
    @ellaarchbold8683 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic content 👍well done for your efforts

  • @docmacwoodwerks
    @docmacwoodwerks ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I already shared this to my group! Thanks for the nice video and cleverly done woodshop contraptions. Me too hates dusts to the extreme.

    • @HookedonWood
      @HookedonWood  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Dennis, thanks for sharing this video! that is a great help for me!

  • @dondavis769
    @dondavis769 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dennis I love your videos, am so glad I discovered you on TH-cam, I’m very jealous of your abilities, skill and video making talent, I wish you sold more of the products you make-like this miter saw fence! I don’t have the access to many of the tools you use, like the laser-or now that I’m not working (long story) the budget to acquire them. Thanks for sharing with us scrubs!