This is exactly what I said after listening to the album. She should've worked with Zedd on this project. We needed some ' 365' moments. I don't hate the album, but I had high expectations.
Exactly! If she wanted to make a dance album why not go to an actual edm djs Zedd, Calvin, Tiesto. Part of me thinks that she went with dr Luke expecting he’s gonna give him hits like teenage dream.
This album taught me that Capitol Records no longer cares about Katy Perry being an essential Pop artist, because there’s no way people in that building believed this album could compete in the market against the Pop albums that dropped this past year.
What I don't understand is why Capitol allowed her to release this album when they didn't want to promote it. Woman's World, Lifetimes, IHHM all received around 30-40 million playlist reach on Spotify. It's NOTHING. Basically all popular artists debut with 100M playlist reach, but Capitol didn't believe in this project yet let Katy release all of it. There was a lot of goodwill happening before the album release but they didn't even want ONE song to be pushed to an actual standard.
You can’t blame the label/lack of promotion for this. She has 205 million instagram followers who knew her album was coming, she paid TikTok influencers to promote her singles and album, she did interviews, performed at the VMA’s… she had all the promotion in the world. We heard the album. The world heard the album. It’s just not good. This is literally just a case of the music not being good. All the promotion in the world can’t force people to like the music.
@@ladygrayteas6831 maybe it’s the last one in her contract? Allegedly this is the last one with Dr Luke being an executive producer 🤔 like Zach said, she just needs to go back to Vegas and /or reality tv judging and be done with making music 🤷♀️
I think Katy is unfortunately a throwback artist now and its no shade but not everyone can maintain their status. Shes had a legendary run and should be proud of all her achievements 👏🏽
this is so true… for me she’s at the same level of jlaw, christina aguilera and justin timberlake rn 🥲 but the hype was there before. if she played her cards right, this era could have been good
for xtina or jlaw nobody has the hype for their new releases… for katy I saw some hype instead but she killed it the second she posted the woman’s world snippet 😭
My beef with Katy is that she doesn’t seem to pick songs or a style that truly allows her voice to shine. She can absolutely sing, but most of her songs are just “catchy” and don’t showcase that. Which was fine back in the day, but now that she’s a household name she should be past that point.
I remember when Katy was a wildcard and controversial...i kissed a girl, Ur so gay, mannequin, hot n cold etc.. when she was in her modern pinup era. I miss that Katy, she seemed truly AUTHENTIC in her artistry then.
I was thinking the same thing. The lyrics, vocals, and songwriting was more mature on her debut album One Of The Boys. With pop music of now varying in style from Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, Taylor Swift, to Charlie XCX...she could have easily harkened back to a mix of OOTB with modern pop sounds.
Bonnie Mckee was the brainchild of the Teenage dream era. She gave the whole concept of TD to Katy because bills and rent had to be paid at the time. Bonnie talks about it on her insta. So when she left, Katy didnt really have a concept of what to do because it was never her idea. Bonnie still rocks the TD concept to this day as an independent artist, and i give her props for that. I definitely recommend checking Bonnie out Zach for being the artist behind the product. Edit: Roar, Part of Me, Wide awake all songs Bonnie gave to Katy. She did a medley of all the songs she wrote on TH-cam.
Working in music publishing I asked my boss what went wrong with Katy career's int the late 10's and her answer was simple: Bonnie McKee. She said once Katy and Bonnie parted ways, the music suffered, and ngl it’s kinda facts. Your comment just reminded me of that conversation we had in the office all those years ago. It seems true now more than ever. If she truly wanted to relive her glory years, Katy should've been calling Bonnie to help write 143 instead of Dr Luke.
Bonnie Mckee is so underrated. She has vocals as good as katy's yet the general public still looks at her as a songwriter but she has everything to be a recognizable name in the music industry.
@@sann021 her belting is so good! When you get a chance, check in youtube for "Bonnie Mckee Vocal Range" that girl has such a good voice! She even sings higher than Katy🥰
@dsdsd9955 No, that wasn't. Roar, Birthday, Wide Awake, Part of Me, California Girls, Last Friday Night, Teenage Dream, Legendary Lovers, I'm sure there's more. She talks about her insta on some TH-cam videos, which is why Prism wasn't panned after TD because it still had part of Bonnie’s touch to it. She definitely deserves her props, though, and I think it's about time she gets them especially since she just released her own album independently in May of this year.
The reason why this misstep is so egregious is because the Pop drought is OVER. The water was finally warm again for Katy to come back with a capital ‘P’ Pop album. A lot of the music business is timing, and the time to strike was *NOW.* This could’ve been her big comeback to redeem herself from ‘Witness’ and ‘Smile’, but it was botched. I actually blame Capitol Records, bc the A&R failures on this album are so glaringly obvious that the lack of vision or creative direction here almost feels like they set her up to flop. The people in this comment section could’ve A&R’d an album better than this for Katy. For example, why all rap features, but no country features….in 2024…Why? 🤨 Why no song with a K-pop artist? Y’all don’t wanna try new sounds? Afrobeats, Amapiano, hyperpop, jersey club…anything creative?…anything at all…? No…? Oh well then ig 😩
I 100 percent agree.. She has all of the ingredients to be "THAT GIRL" again! Voice is voiceing... body is bodying! However like you alluded to.. This album doesn't read the room of TODAY .. Like wtf! I was rooting for you.. We were ALL rooting for you! HOW DARE YOU!! 😭😭😂😂😂
Katy is 39/40 now. Madonna dropped ‘Ray of Light’ at 39 and it is arguably her most critically acclaimed album and won 4 Grammys. ‘143’ needed to be Katy’s ‘Ray of Light’ era. It needed to silence doubters and prove she had substance. She’s had enough hits. She doesn’t need more. Now she should pivot to focusing on digging deeper & garnering acclaim as a legacy act. Madonna already did the hard work, she left the blueprint with ‘Ray of Light’ & ‘Confessions on a Dancefloor’, all Katy had to do was follow in her footsteps 🦶
@@marianasaraiva8728 I agree. Katy has had many years to find a refreshed artistic voice and perspective, she's a mother now, a different place in life. It's not like she has nothing to talk about. I'm shocked how devoid of bite, charm or personality this album is, esp when she's such a huge artist. I don't get the record label either, because Katy not delivering them a hit album is leaving millions of dollars on the table. If they allowed her to release this then they must think her time has passed too.
@@atawbi Madonna back then was just as ridiculed as Katy is now..if not worse. She wasn't taken seriously as a musician anymore, and was commercially falling off. Critics loathed her and the public were tired with her controversial antics, questioning whether she was actually talented, or just being propped up by gimmicks and shock value. 'Ray of Light' revitalised her image and got her career back on track. That's why I brought it up - there are clear similarities between where Madonna was then and where Katy is now.
This is an excellent point. As time starts to pass, you see which songs you like most. Wonder is the one I start her off, with on my playlist. And to think that Dr Luke did not work on that, that does say alot.
@@nikkiarouss7869 what I mean is she is capable of great writing, but this is a dance album and we are crucifying her for k-pop kind of lyrics. All of the songs on this album grew on me and I can play all of the tracks with no skips.
Katy should’ve been watching Sabrina Carpenter closely, because Sabrina is lowkey succeeding with the frothy Pop songs with cheeky lyrics that made Katy famous - that used to be her thing. But ‘Short-n-Sweet’ sounds effortlessly contemporary compared to ‘143’. All she really had to do is study what working w/ Chappell, Sabrina, Ariana, Dua, Charli and copy bits and pieces to build her album. It would’ve been derivative 😅 but at least it wouldn’t have sounded completely out of touch 🤷🏾♂️
Katy came in too confident with no notes. You can tell she hasn’t been paying attention to the current state of music. It’s so many artists now that she can’t even retain her role next to Gaga and Bey, the main girls. It’s like she can’t even catch up to them anymore. It’s so sad to see but it’s her fault
u do realize that katy has done everything that sabrina has already? down to her tour sets, down to her her performances, her costuming, all is katy perry coded katy is on her mood board.
@@parisgreen6737 exactly. That’s why I mentioned Sabrina. The argument that Katy’s brand of pop is outmoded is false because Sabrina is making a success of it in 2024.
Oooo then she didn’t read the room. She needs to FIRE EVERYONE on her team. Mariah Carey’s album could be released today and still go number 1. Those songs hold up. This wasn’t it , Katy!
You touched on exactly what I was thinking with this album. She had nothing to say. No vision. No artistic perspective. She just put out new music for the sake of doing so, and it shows.
I don’t think she’s done, but she NEEDS to find the sound of One of the Boys again. Get back behind that guitar miss girl. Bring back your signature pop rock sound, and find a way to combine that with dance as well. That, will be authentic.
As a KP fan I couldn’t agree more about the product comments. Downfall happened near the end of prism where it was partnership after partnership and no new music for years
When I was 17, my first job at the mall was at a Limited Too that got turned into a Justice. This album sounds like the copyright free, looped tracks they blasted from open to close 😩
I don’t think she ruined her legacy she just went out sad like really sad. As well her response to the black lash and converse just didn’t help at 😂 all.
You’re absolutely correct, and I think that her becoming a product over an artist happened during her first album and second album, where the record label, management, or others were telling her to change her image and move into the campy aesthetics and overdo it intensively to keep up with her peers during that time.
I am biased but the only way she was able to release that single is because of 2 black female artist...cause Crystal Waters can sing although it was under the "dance" beat. Doechii is an artist!
The whole album screams autopilot. It’s worse than bad - it’s boring. There’s no passion behind the music at all and it shows. It’s better to make an album that’s absolute dogshit but still has a vision and love put into it (see Camila Cabello’s new album) because it at least invokes a reaction in the audience. But 143 is just background music for people who don’t care made by people who also don’t care
I'm sorry but "I feel like I just walked into a Claire's" has me DYING 😂 That's such a specific read, and the disappointed tone it was said with makes it sting even more
The thing is, people are always rooting for a good comeback story, so there will always be a group of people that will want a comeback from her, especially after the negative press from the 143 era settles down and the general public goes back to remembering her more so for her past pop hits. While I highly doubt she'll ever have another TD or Prism sized era again, if she can remind people that she is an actual singer/songwriter first (how she started before she really blew up) and give us some well written stuff that doesn't sound lazy or like she's just following some trend, she can at least gain some artistic respect back.
Honestly, after all the snark, criticism and memes Gaga endured in her earlier years, she's fucking impenetrable now. People used to call her a man and says she was hiding a dick
@@TheMolabolaKatycats have been doing this since Applause vs Roar. It’s all they’ve got. So really this album flopping is ARTPOP being avenged. Dramatic I know, but that’s how I feel lol
@@Monster4life100 lmao, katycats don’t really care about gaga. but expect that in every katy perry posts/threads there are little monsters camping under.
there was a time where Katy was really into her bag/craft and you could tell because she was doing covers of older songs or songs that she liked for example if you google Katy Perry doing her cover of “MGMT’s electric feel” you can actually hear and feel the “artistry“ nfs
Her trademark lyrics to me are the honesty in thinking of you, snarkyness in one of the boys, mannequin, ur so gay, fingerprints and the drama of I'm still breathing, lost, cup of coffee...
I think a huge part of it is that the music does not feel authentic. because we know she was chasing hits. she said in a 143 promo interview that her dream album is an acoustic album… so why did you pull this album out? purely for hits clearly
I definitely agree with Katy being a product because let's remember her first song was given to her, starting off your career with songs given to you.. is a sign that she was a product / a thing to be molded by the label
Walk with me for a moment. The songs on this album feel like the music a "world-famous pop star" in a 2010's made for Nickelodeon movie would be performing. Like v basic sounds, veryyy basic lyrics. Like, imagine any of these being played under a paparazzi montage of "she's the #1 star in the world, she's performed at Madison Square Garden 3 times, and the public can't get enough of her."
i absolutely picked up on the same thing as you. wonder wasn’t produced by luke, written by less people, and had the most heart to it. i definitely think Katy would thrive with a smaller team
Aside from a handful of singles, Katy has been giving nothing but TIRED since Prism. After Prism? Rise, Chained to the Rhythm, Cozy Little Christmas, 365, Never Really Over, Harleys in Hawaii, When I'm Gone and Cry About It Later are the only worthwhile singles. And I think that's less than half of the ones she's put out. Album tracks? I can't even be bothered to check them out at this point. She'll never recapture the Teenage Dream. EDIT: And Not The End of the World, that one was a bop. Electric was cute, too.
Nailed it on the head. We have options to stream what WE want now instead of the radio so we don't have to listen what was just on the radio 24/7. I guarantee most of her hits wouldn't stand today.
All Katy needs is a self titled project where she elevates her lyricism and digs truly deep with real topics. It can still be pop, but it can have indie influences and alternative influences and I think that would be her best bet. She can still push through but she fought a random hate wave unfortunately once again (Smile era).
Pop artists that try to do electronic music fail because they never go far enough. If you are gonna do EDM embrace it FULLY. Don't make it a frankenstein of pop and edm. In todays world of EDM you really have to push the envelope. HARD thumping beats, crazy basslines, and don't give me any SLOW BPMs I hate that shit.
Britney spears Femme fatale Black eyed peas the E.N.D Lady gaga The fame So I don't think it's because of the electronic music. This 143 album is bad and look like it's an i.a generator who singing.
@@redman6434 Out of everything you listed there, Femme Fatale was the only true dip into actual EDM. And Britney did it better than anyone if we had to pick someone that actually dipped into EDM.
Personally I think in real life Katy is home , homesteading, being a conservative tradwife… but her money isn’t in tradwife circles. That’s why this sounds empty, soulless, tryhard, and dated. The costume doesn’t fit and the threads are bare
Never Really Over was her most recent decent pop song / single. She should’ve made that the theme for her album. It was very promising during the time.
The katycat fandom was never just gay men, was a lot of women from all ages but not teens actually, at least not in the present since plenty grew up with her, straight, lesbian, bi women, also straight men, her fanbase was always very diverse
I think she just wanted to go on tour tbh. She really enjoyed her vegas show and now she wants to tour again, show her daughter the world and for that she needed an album or else the label wouldn’t back a tour with nothing new to promote. So she churned out a quick dance pop record, which isn’t that much dancier than prism… it makes feel like half the songs were prism rejects re-worked which is why DR Luke could help facilitate it, to use her words. In any of the interviews she’s done she seemed to want to talk more about Daisy and Orlando than the music, which is fine, but I think as well she’s probably actually genuinely happy in her life and doesn’t need to bust her ass and doesn’t have that hunger to perfect work like she did when she was starting out.
*There are TWO things that happened to her. Witness put Katy Perry in a hyper speed decline almost overnight. What really nailed the coffin was Smile flopping and selling 50k the first week. For a MAIN pop girl... like... she was just never seen the same EVER again. Secondly, Capitol Records has never supported her like they did pre- Witness, and I really don't know why. It feels like they were trying to push other artist's in Capitol, yet no other artist on that label had a big era recently. 143 comes as an album that was supposed to undo all of this, BUT it felt so FLAT that people are making sure she never comes back, which is just a shame. I will say the collaborations that she did give us... NO ONE asked for. Everything that could've gone wrong with this era, DID. I said this was Witness 2.0 without the sales, and I was correct. 💔*
I think there's 3 main issues for this album rollout, besides the Dr. Luke drama: 1. Capitol records - I feel like they wanted her to not succeed, I've seen ZERO promotion for the album, and I feel for someone who has had MEGA hits, the production feels unfinished/like demo versions for the songs and they should have taken more time/another round of studio time to really solidify the project (more layers, harmonies etc.). No risks were taken on the project (no testing genres of music) and the features felt like it was mainly just artists who work with Dr. Luke (other artists might have been hesitant to hop on a project produced by Dr. Luke) 2. Release time - there have been so many albums from major artists this year, not only interesting production-wise but many lyrical dense songs/projects that 143 just feels lacking in comparison/empty production wise. I honestly think if she waited till later this year or even next year it might have come across better 3. Leaks - so many of the songs got leaked early on in the album rollout, that it killed the hype for the album release. I personally do not agree that the era aesthetic does not work for her, just cuz she's in her late 30s doesn't mean she can't feel powerful/strong in her feminine energy, and personally I have loved the cyber/futuristic aesthetic of the era, and her outfits have been on point. I just hope she doesn't give up after this album release, and definitely needs a new team/new people to work in the studio (Zedd, Alesso etc. were great collabs, more of that)
She worked with a rappist just for the money so sad. And people out here wishing kesha and Lady Gaga harm just for speaking out against a woman abuser. Katy sounds so evil
People hating her for nothing Its a conspiracy like witness era just to make her flop cause she was going to have biggest comeback and gonna get back her throne.
Wonderful critique while giving her her flowers where they are due. Also, you said it so well I literally exclaimed out loud when you said "she’s a product, not an artist."
This is *BY FAR* her worst album to date. Most of the songs sound like demos. The production is terrible. And the lyrics are just basic and repetitive. She really thought this album was what people wanted? I'd feel ashamed to release something so bad... I hope this is a wake up call for her and she takes a step back and completely changes course or she'll be DONE.
She should have worked with Zedd with this album. An album influenced by more sounds and produced to perfection like 365 would be a hit.
And When I’m Gone is great too.. these songs was great and still is.
This is exactly what I said after listening to the album. She should've worked with Zedd on this project. We needed some ' 365' moments. I don't hate the album, but I had high expectations.
365, Never really over, When I'm Gone were soo underrated
Exactly! If she wanted to make a dance album why not go to an actual edm djs Zedd, Calvin, Tiesto. Part of me thinks that she went with dr Luke expecting he’s gonna give him hits like teenage dream.
@@stephaniestewart-lq9zp Blood Pop? Hello? Like somebody. Dr. Luke? Really? LOL.
This album taught me that Capitol Records no longer cares about Katy Perry being an essential Pop artist, because there’s no way people in that building believed this album could compete in the market against the Pop albums that dropped this past year.
What I don't understand is why Capitol allowed her to release this album when they didn't want to promote it. Woman's World, Lifetimes, IHHM all received around 30-40 million playlist reach on Spotify. It's NOTHING. Basically all popular artists debut with 100M playlist reach, but Capitol didn't believe in this project yet let Katy release all of it. There was a lot of goodwill happening before the album release but they didn't even want ONE song to be pushed to an actual standard.
You can’t blame the label/lack of promotion for this. She has 205 million instagram followers who knew her album was coming, she paid TikTok influencers to promote her singles and album, she did interviews, performed at the VMA’s… she had all the promotion in the world. We heard the album. The world heard the album. It’s just not good. This is literally just a case of the music not being good. All the promotion in the world can’t force people to like the music.
@@ladygrayteas6831 maybe it’s the last one in her contract? Allegedly this is the last one with Dr Luke being an executive producer 🤔 like Zach said, she just needs to go back to Vegas and /or reality tv judging and be done with making music 🤷♀️
That album is fire though she created a strong pop album that will stand the test of time the so that’s not the problem
@@aimstar11she’s needs a new image not trying to rehash her old one
I think Katy is unfortunately a throwback artist now and its no shade but not everyone can maintain their status. Shes had a legendary run and should be proud of all her achievements 👏🏽
Great for a throwback!
this is so true… for me she’s at the same level of jlaw, christina aguilera and justin timberlake rn 🥲 but the hype was there before. if she played her cards right, this era could have been good
for xtina or jlaw nobody has the hype for their new releases… for katy I saw some hype instead but she killed it the second she posted the woman’s world snippet 😭
This, I outgrew her music some years ago, but the teenage dream/California girls/hot and cold era was my shiiiit lol
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My beef with Katy is that she doesn’t seem to pick songs or a style that truly allows her voice to shine. She can absolutely sing, but most of her songs are just “catchy” and don’t showcase that. Which was fine back in the day, but now that she’s a household name she should be past that point.
She def has a pop rock voice more than anything, I miss One Of The Boys era so much, she had amazing songwritting then...
“she’s fabulous for a throwback”
- katy perry, 2014
OH HOW THAT COMMENT BIT HER IN THE ASS 😂😂😂
ooop!
Ever since Mariah voodo has hit Katy career
The mariah karma
This is why you NEVER laugh at legends
the way I broke my ankle running to the comment section.
Same
Did your onkle go cleek
I read the comments before I even pressed play lol
FORCE HATE. GIRL. WE FEEL IT. MASS REPORT .
I remember when Katy was a wildcard and controversial...i kissed a girl, Ur so gay, mannequin, hot n cold etc.. when she was in her modern pinup era. I miss that Katy, she seemed truly AUTHENTIC in her artistry then.
I was thinking the same thing. The lyrics, vocals, and songwriting was more mature on her debut album One Of The Boys. With pop music of now varying in style from Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, Taylor Swift, to Charlie XCX...she could have easily harkened back to a mix of OOTB with modern pop sounds.
womans world video is fucking controversial what do u mean????
@danielmino1690 you have to strike a balance between good music and controversy, woman's world was not a strong enough song to look past dr. luke
Bonnie Mckee was the brainchild of the Teenage dream era. She gave the whole concept of TD to Katy because bills and rent had to be paid at the time. Bonnie talks about it on her insta. So when she left, Katy didnt really have a concept of what to do because it was never her idea. Bonnie still rocks the TD concept to this day as an independent artist, and i give her props for that. I definitely recommend checking Bonnie out Zach for being the artist behind the product.
Edit: Roar, Part of Me, Wide awake all songs Bonnie gave to Katy. She did a medley of all the songs she wrote on TH-cam.
I knew bonnie wrote teenage dream the song becuz of her American girl song but at dark horse isn't Bonnie's right
Working in music publishing I asked my boss what went wrong with Katy career's int the late 10's and her answer was simple: Bonnie McKee. She said once Katy and Bonnie parted ways, the music suffered, and ngl it’s kinda facts.
Your comment just reminded me of that conversation we had in the office all those years ago. It seems true now more than ever. If she truly wanted to relive her glory years, Katy should've been calling Bonnie to help write 143 instead of Dr Luke.
Bonnie Mckee is so underrated. She has vocals as good as katy's yet the general public still looks at her as a songwriter but she has everything to be a recognizable name in the music industry.
@@sann021 her belting is so good! When you get a chance, check in youtube for "Bonnie Mckee Vocal Range" that girl has such a good voice! She even sings higher than Katy🥰
@dsdsd9955 No, that wasn't. Roar, Birthday, Wide Awake, Part of Me, California Girls, Last Friday Night, Teenage Dream, Legendary Lovers, I'm sure there's more.
She talks about her insta on some TH-cam videos, which is why Prism wasn't panned after TD because it still had part of Bonnie’s touch to it.
She definitely deserves her props, though, and I think it's about time she gets them especially since she just released her own album independently in May of this year.
The reason why this misstep is so egregious is because the Pop drought is OVER. The water was finally warm again for Katy to come back with a capital ‘P’ Pop album. A lot of the music business is timing, and the time to strike was *NOW.* This could’ve been her big comeback to redeem herself from ‘Witness’ and ‘Smile’, but it was botched. I actually blame Capitol Records, bc the A&R failures on this album are so glaringly obvious that the lack of vision or creative direction here almost feels like they set her up to flop. The people in this comment section could’ve A&R’d an album better than this for Katy. For example, why all rap features, but no country features….in 2024…Why? 🤨 Why no song with a K-pop artist? Y’all don’t wanna try new sounds? Afrobeats, Amapiano, hyperpop, jersey club…anything creative?…anything at all…? No…? Oh well then ig 😩
The hate on Katy is so big, I truly believe that all hell would have breaked loose if she dared to try Afrobeats. Love the idea though.
I 100 percent agree.. She has all of the ingredients to be "THAT GIRL" again! Voice is voiceing... body is bodying! However like you alluded to.. This album doesn't read the room of TODAY .. Like wtf! I was rooting for you.. We were ALL rooting for you! HOW DARE YOU!! 😭😭😂😂😂
CLOCKED IT
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Not afrobeats chile...😭😭😭😭😭
Katy is 39/40 now. Madonna dropped ‘Ray of Light’ at 39 and it is arguably her most critically acclaimed album and won 4 Grammys. ‘143’ needed to be Katy’s ‘Ray of Light’ era. It needed to silence doubters and prove she had substance. She’s had enough hits. She doesn’t need more. Now she should pivot to focusing on digging deeper & garnering acclaim as a legacy act. Madonna already did the hard work, she left the blueprint with ‘Ray of Light’ & ‘Confessions on a Dancefloor’, all Katy had to do was follow in her footsteps 🦶
It only works when the artist actually has the substance to dig deeper 😬😬😬
Madonna was a MUSICIAN and actually a smart businesswoman. Katy is and always was a product of time with NO talent.
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@@marianasaraiva8728 I agree. Katy has had many years to find a refreshed artistic voice and perspective, she's a mother now, a different place in life. It's not like she has nothing to talk about. I'm shocked how devoid of bite, charm or personality this album is, esp when she's such a huge artist. I don't get the record label either, because Katy not delivering them a hit album is leaving millions of dollars on the table. If they allowed her to release this then they must think her time has passed too.
@@atawbi Madonna back then was just as ridiculed as Katy is now..if not worse. She wasn't taken seriously as a musician anymore, and was commercially falling off. Critics loathed her and the public were tired with her controversial antics, questioning whether she was actually talented, or just being propped up by gimmicks and shock value. 'Ray of Light' revitalised her image and got her career back on track. That's why I brought it up - there are clear similarities between where Madonna was then and where Katy is now.
The fact that her best song on the album is the only song Luke has no credit on speaks VOLUMES.
Which song?
@@dorino9057wonder
@dorino9057 the last one.
@@dorino9057 wonder
This is an excellent point. As time starts to pass, you see which songs you like most. Wonder is the one I start her off, with on my playlist. And to think that Dr Luke did not work on that, that does say alot.
Not “Daisy, you wrapped your mama up” LMAOOOOOO YOU ARE FOUL
"Katy, you seem more like a product than an artist."
Most accurate gist about this whole situation by far. About time it has to be openly said.
Let's not forget Katy Perry wrote "Thinking of You" ALONE.
We didn't forget that we are here already in 2024 her album tanked
@@nikkiarouss7869 what I mean is she is capable of great writing, but this is a dance album and we are crucifying her for k-pop kind of lyrics. All of the songs on this album grew on me and I can play all of the tracks with no skips.
Thinking of you was my jam man😭
@@bimbam9603yea this was her version of a dance album but she should have done better way better
We could tell 😭
Katy should’ve been watching Sabrina Carpenter closely, because Sabrina is lowkey succeeding with the frothy Pop songs with cheeky lyrics that made Katy famous - that used to be her thing. But ‘Short-n-Sweet’ sounds effortlessly contemporary compared to ‘143’. All she really had to do is study what working w/ Chappell, Sabrina, Ariana, Dua, Charli and copy bits and pieces to build her album. It would’ve been derivative 😅 but at least it wouldn’t have sounded completely out of touch 🤷🏾♂️
Self-aware pop is here and Katy just couldn’t catch up.
Katy could have taken from Chappell - she is giving camp and pop hits, sth Katy is/was recognized for
Katy came in too confident with no notes. You can tell she hasn’t been paying attention to the current state of music. It’s so many artists now that she can’t even retain her role next to Gaga and Bey, the main girls. It’s like she can’t even catch up to them anymore. It’s so sad to see but it’s her fault
u do realize that katy has done everything that sabrina has already? down to her tour sets, down to her her performances, her costuming, all is katy perry coded katy is on her mood board.
@@parisgreen6737 exactly. That’s why I mentioned Sabrina. The argument that Katy’s brand of pop is outmoded is false because Sabrina is making a success of it in 2024.
Katy Perry was hoping to have a Mariah Carey "Emancipation Of Mimi" comeback era but it didn't quite work out.
Oooo then she didn’t read the room. She needs to FIRE EVERYONE on her team. Mariah Carey’s album could be released today and still go number 1. Those songs hold up. This wasn’t it , Katy!
I don't think she was
u can't compare MARIAH (ICONIC LEGEND) to Katy Perry Please!!!!
“SHEXXXXII CONFIDENT” 😂
Is he a crush? Make me blush?
Someone said it sounded like the soundtrack for a tampon commercial, and I can't unhear it now 😂
@@jocelynsmyth6604 I’m in tears lol
the way i say this to myself so many times a day bahahahahahhaha
@@jocelynsmyth6604 it really really does😭😭 it literally sounds like an annoying jingle
You touched on exactly what I was thinking with this album. She had nothing to say. No vision. No artistic perspective. She just put out new music for the sake of doing so, and it shows.
her collaborating with Dr. Luke really fucked up this whole era.
I agree she new pop producers work with Ariana producer
Whenever I hear "womans world" (although i dont), I think of how zach does the "shyekshy kahnfidyent" 😂
It reminds me of rupaul😭
The way you spelt it is perfect 😂
girl ikyl me too i just said that right now as i clicked on this video not with the "sexshy confiench:...
I don’t think she’s done, but she NEEDS to find the sound of One of the Boys again. Get back behind that guitar miss girl. Bring back your signature pop rock sound, and find a way to combine that with dance as well. That, will be authentic.
Katy's vocals sound like AI, Theres no feeling behind the words that she is singing.
As a KP fan I couldn’t agree more about the product comments. Downfall happened near the end of prism where it was partnership after partnership and no new music for years
zach you look GREAT!!!!!
It’s giving 2003 ringtone era on the black Nokia old phones! 💀💀💀
When I was 17, my first job at the mall was at a Limited Too that got turned into a Justice. This album sounds like the copyright free, looped tracks they blasted from open to close 😩
This is such a dated reference, but it’s still not as dated as this record 🧍🏽♂️
I don’t think she ruined her legacy she just went out sad like really sad.
As well her response to the black lash and converse just didn’t help at 😂 all.
Remember when Katy mocking Mariah Carey that's she's throwback 😂😂 and now Katy Perry part of Throwbacks!!
& i so love that for Mariah cos even in 2024 mariah is still relevant as her new albums are still acclaimed & she gets a no1 every xmas time
@@nnajiugochukwu3810 Mariah is an artist and it shows! A product like Katy Perry could never have that kinda longevity
Spotify monthly listeners rankings:
Mariah: # 196
Katy: # 29
🤷🏻
“Katy can’t read, Oop WAIT”
ZACHARYYYYY 🤣 when I say I choked!
I GAGGED
You’re absolutely correct, and I think that her becoming a product over an artist happened during her first album and second album, where the record label, management, or others were telling her to change her image and move into the campy aesthetics and overdo it intensively to keep up with her peers during that time.
“you think” exactly when she quite literally stated that was HER choice she said so her self
you are spot on about Katy being a product first then artist second.
“Art doesn’t matter, artistry does” - charli xcx
I am biased but the only way she was able to release that single is because of 2 black female artist...cause Crystal Waters can sing although it was under the "dance" beat. Doechii is an artist!
The sample and Doechii carry I’m His He’s Mine.
Katy is stucked in 2010 - 2014. Her music never evolved.
Forever 21 has me 💀
I screamed 😂😂😂😂
Ok Zach with the relaxed, trade looking podcast tease
This album's music sounds like something you'd hear in a shopping mall.
Me and my die hard KatyCats friends went from being completely obsessed with her from 2009-2014 and now we don’t even bring her up AT ALL.
Maybe u all chartkats because Witness and Smile had many amazing songs
"You know Katy can't read," is my new favorite sentence.
Zachhhhh “Forever 21”😭😭😭
The whole album screams autopilot. It’s worse than bad - it’s boring. There’s no passion behind the music at all and it shows. It’s better to make an album that’s absolute dogshit but still has a vision and love put into it (see Camila Cabello’s new album) because it at least invokes a reaction in the audience. But 143 is just background music for people who don’t care made by people who also don’t care
Some of the songs have great production but feel empty because of the subpar lyrics and the lack of vocal variety.
I'm sorry but "I feel like I just walked into a Claire's" has me DYING 😂 That's such a specific read, and the disappointed tone it was said with makes it sting even more
The thing is, people are always rooting for a good comeback story, so there will always be a group of people that will want a comeback from her, especially after the negative press from the 143 era settles down and the general public goes back to remembering her more so for her past pop hits. While I highly doubt she'll ever have another TD or Prism sized era again, if she can remind people that she is an actual singer/songwriter first (how she started before she really blew up) and give us some well written stuff that doesn't sound lazy or like she's just following some trend, she can at least gain some artistic respect back.
like katy gave no background vocals no harmony didn't even ooo and ahhh like?? just auto tune and tired beats no shade
" Its tired but i like it ." Thats most of her music old and new
I chocked on my water when he said “fHag”
I choked right there with you, and I immediately rushed to the comments to make sure I wasn't alone!
This was definitely be a “flop” if this was bop or flop episode
WHAT DO YOU MEAN someone came for Mrs. GaGa? Who do I have to kill? Hell no
It angers me when they come for her, like they can't even say anything about her art and chart power so they attack her looks.
Honestly, after all the snark, criticism and memes Gaga endured in her earlier years, she's fucking impenetrable now. People used to call her a man and says she was hiding a dick
@@TheMolabolaKatycats have been doing this since Applause vs Roar. It’s all they’ve got. So really this album flopping is ARTPOP being avenged. Dramatic I know, but that’s how I feel lol
@@Monster4life100 lmao, katycats don’t really care about gaga. but expect that in every katy perry posts/threads there are little monsters camping under.
@@mokyodai girl.... katycats are obsessed with gaga
We were rooting for you. We were all rooting for you learn something from this. I have never yelled at an artist.
"Why is it so many writers?" IJBOL ZACH 🤣 THE KIM PETRAS SNEAK TOO
there was a time where Katy was really into her bag/craft and you could tell because she was doing covers of older songs or songs that she liked for example if you google Katy Perry doing her cover of “MGMT’s electric feel” you can actually hear and feel the “artistry“ nfs
Her trademark lyrics to me are the honesty in thinking of you, snarkyness in one of the boys, mannequin, ur so gay, fingerprints and the drama of I'm still breathing, lost, cup of coffee...
I think a huge part of it is that the music does not feel authentic. because we know she was chasing hits. she said in a 143 promo interview that her dream album is an acoustic album… so why did you pull this album out?
purely for hits clearly
I think that Katy Perry is struggling keeping up with the current sound of pop music today. She’s not doing a good job evolving as an artist.
Zachary we love you! I grew up with you, starting back in the MrMortormouth era
I definitely agree with Katy being a product because let's remember her first song was given to her, starting off your career with songs given to you.. is a sign that she was a product / a thing to be molded by the label
Walk with me for a moment. The songs on this album feel like the music a "world-famous pop star" in a 2010's made for Nickelodeon movie would be performing. Like v basic sounds, veryyy basic lyrics. Like, imagine any of these being played under a paparazzi montage of "she's the #1 star in the world, she's performed at Madison Square Garden 3 times, and the public can't get enough of her."
Everyone ever ask how come no one ever ask her to features on anyone's song?
i absolutely picked up on the same thing as you. wonder wasn’t produced by luke, written by less people, and had the most heart to it. i definitely think Katy would thrive with a smaller team
One thing the public will never forgive is desperation, and watching her flail about with each new bad choice is increasingly uncomfortable.
Not “I just feel like I walked into a Claire’s” lmao
Ive been a katycat since 2010 and i can sadly say that 143 is pretty empty
She made a bathhouse album. Nothing great, just something to muffle out the sounds of heavy breathing and white men grunting.
😮 I'M GAGGED LIKE DL BRAD IN THE SAUNA
I’M SCREAMING 😭
😱 😂
Are black men not allowed in or something?
LMFAO that's crazy
Aside from a handful of singles, Katy has been giving nothing but TIRED since Prism. After Prism? Rise, Chained to the Rhythm, Cozy Little Christmas, 365, Never Really Over, Harleys in Hawaii, When I'm Gone and Cry About It Later are the only worthwhile singles. And I think that's less than half of the ones she's put out. Album tracks? I can't even be bothered to check them out at this point. She'll never recapture the Teenage Dream. EDIT: And Not The End of the World, that one was a bop. Electric was cute, too.
You forgot Tucked
Nailed it on the head. We have options to stream what WE want now instead of the radio so we don't have to listen what was just on the radio 24/7. I guarantee most of her hits wouldn't stand today.
Every song sounds the same, she just wanted to show her new abs, she has nothing to say.
All Katy needs is a self titled project where she elevates her lyricism and digs truly deep with real topics. It can still be pop, but it can have indie influences and alternative influences and I think that would be her best bet. She can still push through but she fought a random hate wave unfortunately once again (Smile era).
i couldn’t click fast enough 😣i missed u Zachhhh❤
Girl I'm so sad cause this is KATY PERRY😭😭😭 I wish she added harmonies and vocal stacks cause these songs were so empty
I think it's now safe to say that Katy Perry is a product of time & not the pop chamelon we were forced to believe over a decade ago
Pop artists that try to do electronic music fail because they never go far enough. If you are gonna do EDM embrace it FULLY. Don't make it a frankenstein of pop and edm. In todays world of EDM you really have to push the envelope. HARD thumping beats, crazy basslines, and don't give me any SLOW BPMs I hate that shit.
Britney spears Femme fatale
Black eyed peas the E.N.D
Lady gaga The fame
So I don't think it's because of the electronic music. This 143 album is bad and look like it's an i.a generator who singing.
@@redman6434 Out of everything you listed there, Femme Fatale was the only true dip into actual EDM. And Britney did it better than anyone if we had to pick someone that actually dipped into EDM.
Gurl.. You freaky NAILED IT ❤️❤️ LITTLE MONSTERS FOREVER
I FEEL LIKE I JUST WALKED INTO A CLAIRES 😂😂😂
Personally I think in real life Katy is home , homesteading, being a conservative tradwife… but her money isn’t in tradwife circles. That’s why this sounds empty, soulless, tryhard, and dated. The costume doesn’t fit and the threads are bare
It’s giving…. Gays for trump is the target audience
9 writers for Woman’s World. Gworl Pleaseee. 🤡🤡
And the majority are men 🥴
Gworlll 9? That’s **** wilddddd
@@Cocolocohermoso yesss !!! WILD.
It took nine people to write those AI generated sounding lyrics!? 🤣🤣🤣
@@yageshabazz3456 YES!!! It’s despicable ! That’s what google says , it took 9 composers.
timestamps (for me)
womans world 4:15
gimme gimme 4:38
gorgeous 7:13 7:45
im his he mine 10:24
crush 14:06
lifetimes 21:10
all the love 21:42
nirvana 22:36
artificial 23:33
truth 24:15
wonder 24:35
4:20 I do this every time this song comes on thanks to Zach. I can’t with him
UhOh Zach in his masculine bag today!
Say whatever you want… ALL THE LOVE and WONDER are amazing!
“It’s tired but I like it” LMFAO 😂😂
IM PISSING MYSELF
Me talking about "Uglies" on Netflix.
Never Really Over was her most recent decent pop song / single. She should’ve made that the theme for her album. It was very promising during the time.
It's the forever21 TWICE lmao
“Katy can read.. in the gay sense” 😭😭😭
Happy Tuesday Zach and army 🤗❤️
The katycat fandom was never just gay men, was a lot of women from all ages but not teens actually, at least not in the present since plenty grew up with her, straight, lesbian, bi women, also straight men, her fanbase was always very diverse
The “deluxe” is only 3 songs 🤨
At least it's not phone voice memo recording like someone did💀💀💀
This is the best reaction/video of two years😂you’re back to real reactions! Love the way u made up the story about Katy reading a girl😂😂😂😂😂😂
this album is the lowest rated on Metacritic by a female artist.
5:37 it was when I realized Dr. L*ke produced 10/11 songs that I was out
They might as well make AI clone of her voice so she doesn’t have to do anything
I think she just wanted to go on tour tbh. She really enjoyed her vegas show and now she wants to tour again, show her daughter the world and for that she needed an album or else the label wouldn’t back a tour with nothing new to promote. So she churned out a quick dance pop record, which isn’t that much dancier than prism… it makes feel like half the songs were prism rejects re-worked which is why DR Luke could help facilitate it, to use her words.
In any of the interviews she’s done she seemed to want to talk more about Daisy and Orlando than the music, which is fine, but I think as well she’s probably actually genuinely happy in her life and doesn’t need to bust her ass and doesn’t have that hunger to perfect work like she did when she was starting out.
Because her validation doesn’t come from her music anymore, she just loves to perform more than anything. She’s a performer rather than a musician
Not the camera focus on his hand when he says “Take my hand sis” 😂😂💀💀 Perfect timing!!
*There are TWO things that happened to her. Witness put Katy Perry in a hyper speed decline almost overnight. What really nailed the coffin was Smile flopping and selling 50k the first week. For a MAIN pop girl... like... she was just never seen the same EVER again. Secondly, Capitol Records has never supported her like they did pre- Witness, and I really don't know why. It feels like they were trying to push other artist's in Capitol, yet no other artist on that label had a big era recently. 143 comes as an album that was supposed to undo all of this, BUT it felt so FLAT that people are making sure she never comes back, which is just a shame. I will say the collaborations that she did give us... NO ONE asked for. Everything that could've gone wrong with this era, DID. I said this was Witness 2.0 without the sales, and I was correct. 💔*
I think there's 3 main issues for this album rollout, besides the Dr. Luke drama: 1. Capitol records - I feel like they wanted her to not succeed, I've seen ZERO promotion for the album, and I feel for someone who has had MEGA hits, the production feels unfinished/like demo versions for the songs and they should have taken more time/another round of studio time to really solidify the project (more layers, harmonies etc.). No risks were taken on the project (no testing genres of music) and the features felt like it was mainly just artists who work with Dr. Luke (other artists might have been hesitant to hop on a project produced by Dr. Luke) 2. Release time - there have been so many albums from major artists this year, not only interesting production-wise but many lyrical dense songs/projects that 143 just feels lacking in comparison/empty production wise. I honestly think if she waited till later this year or even next year it might have come across better 3. Leaks - so many of the songs got leaked early on in the album rollout, that it killed the hype for the album release.
I personally do not agree that the era aesthetic does not work for her, just cuz she's in her late 30s doesn't mean she can't feel powerful/strong in her feminine energy, and personally I have loved the cyber/futuristic aesthetic of the era, and her outfits have been on point. I just hope she doesn't give up after this album release, and definitely needs a new team/new people to work in the studio (Zedd, Alesso etc. were great collabs, more of that)
I truly like your channel. Keep up the good work and wishing you much success ❤❤❤
She worked with a rappist just for the money so sad. And people out here wishing kesha and Lady Gaga harm just for speaking out against a woman abuser. Katy sounds so evil
People hating her for nothing
Its a conspiracy like witness era just to make her flop cause she was going to have biggest comeback and gonna get back her throne.
Katy isn’t an artist..she has nothing to say. 😶
She should’ve found an independent voice by now.
No fr I never realized until now she never has anything really to say. She’s been in the game long enough to deliver THIS
Wonderful critique while giving her her flowers where they are due. Also, you said it so well I literally exclaimed out loud when you said "she’s a product, not an artist."
Katy Perry & Nicki Minaj have had the same problem.
I’ll leave this here
No
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The obsession with Nicki minaj needs to be studied
This is *BY FAR* her worst album to date. Most of the songs sound like demos. The production is terrible. And the lyrics are just basic and repetitive. She really thought this album was what people wanted? I'd feel ashamed to release something so bad... I hope this is a wake up call for her and she takes a step back and completely changes course or she'll be DONE.