When I was an atheist as a teenager, this song would come on in my house during Christmas and when I heard it for the first time, it struck me for some reason. I began to look at Mary and Christianity differently- I began to love Mary and see her as a holy woman full of grace. And in a way this song broke down the hardness of my heart and allowed me to look into becoming a Christian. This song was my “to Jesus through Mary”. I have been Catholic for 2 years now, and while I can see why people don’t like this song, it is what got the ball rolling in my conversion. And on top of that, when I heard the line “When you kiss your little baby, you kiss the face of God” instantly associated Mary as the mother of God for me.
@@Maranatha99 from the conversations I have had with friends who don’t like it, they tend to cite that some of the word usage and meanings imply Mary wasn’t fully aware of who her son Jesus was and claim it’s “borderline heretical.” Then again, this group I know tends to be very….. strict I guess when it comes to their faith and are prone to complaining about “modernity” in the Church and their dislike of more contemporary worship music because it’s “empty and manipulative,” even though I know we’ve been on retreats and functions together where those same worship songs elicited strong, genuine emotions from them. So from my experience, it’s a combination of over zealousness for the faith combined with a strong dislike for contemporary things they personally find “empty” even though it creates positive emotions and worship towards God.
@jendoe9436 The imaginary dislogue with Mary is a simple literary device to highlight some of Jesus' wonderful deeds, as well as try to identify with Mary as a new mother.
@@Maranatha99 oh I agree with ya on that. Over the years, I’ve learned to stop thinking more like an armchair textbook theologian and approach things from a more personal perspective. In that time I’ve found myself feeling way more connected to the faith and having a more charitable and living attitude towards others, with exceptions and stumbling blocks cause I’m still human 😅 I do think this song works good as an introspection for those of us wanting to figure out what Mary’s POV might have been. It’s okay to have questions and curiosities, and sometimes those questions can’t be articulately worded nor do they always have to be “deep.” Some of the best questions I’ve heard have been from kids and it really makes me have to think what I actually know and don’t know so I can properly answer the questions.
Gently precise, your Dad. I look more at the nuance of it… …but yes, ofcourse she knew. Protestants are searching, we must pray that they find their way. That’s the only way I can decipher the motive behind this song.
Yes she knew. Absolutely... she was told. But I still like this song. Nothing wrong for someone who is a non-believer to ask that question. But NEVER in a Catholic church. And I have heard it sung in a Catholic church... that's why I go to the TLM. 🙏
Apparently I am the only person on Earth who thought the questions were rhetorical, with the answer to all of them being: "Yes, obviously, by the grace of God I have been granted knowledge of all these things."
The wording is up to interpretation-- the original author probably interpreted Mary as not full of grace, but the grace Catholics say Mary was full of was graces that come from the Paschal mystery, which hadn't happened yet so it's not a line that's completely anti Catholic
1. Merry Christmas! 2. As a music major in undergrad, I totally agree with your brother 3. This song has always felt like a low church P&W tripe fest. 4. Though I guess I should be happy that a Baptist is giving some thought to the Blessed Mother vs the John MacArthur "she is just some baby mill" view of her.
Motherhood, from the outside, is very pragmatic. Giving birth, feeding, bathing, coddling, etc. But, there is a sense of wonder, a sense of mystery, something so miraculous about life when you look into your child's eyes. You cannot listen to this song on a superficial level and not find fault with it. But if you venture outside yourself, it becomes very real. I think this song suggests that the person questioning Mary is asking her for affirmation, not questioning Mary about her belief or understanding of her blessed place as Jesus's mother. As a Catholic, I have absolutely no problem with this song.
I know the song appeals to a mother's experience, but it gets to my heart as a father, too. The line about kissing the face of God always brings to mind the experience of kissing my children's faces and moves me.
I heard this song for the first time about a week ago and immediately resorted to theological questioning. And here comes good old Joe to the rescue. GOATed
But knowing something academically is different from experiencing it firsthand and having active reminders of it. Every parent tells their toddler not to touch a hot stove. The toddler knows the stove is hot because his mom has told him so. But the first time he reaches up and burns his hand, he KNOWS the stove is hot. And when you’re in the trenches of new motherhood with a crying baby that wants to nurse all the time and poops like 10 times a day, everything feels very mundane. Imagine going through the mundane and then suddenly remembering, “This baby whose butt I just wiped is GOD.” I remember hearing this song when my own son was about 3 months old and it hit me so differently from the many times I’d heard it in my life.
I like the song, but I was beginning to feel guilty about it because of all the criticism. Last night, in one of my periodic bouts of insomnia, I asked myself, "Margaret, do you know why you like this song?" I realized that when I listened to the words, I tended to ignore the "Mary, did you know" part and to go directly to two images that bring tears to my eyes: "When you kiss your little baby, you've kissed the face of God," and "This sleeping child you're holding is the Great I Am." I spent the next hour contemplating the mystery of the incarnation, essentially meditating on the joyful mysteries of the rosary without actually even getting to the first Hail Mary. So yes, I still like the song (with reservations) because it makes me think about Jesus, who somehow is both God and man, which I will never fully understand because I don't have the vocabulary or the mental capacity to grasp a mystery that is beyond me, but which I can still think about and be in awe of and grateful for. That can't be a bad thing. This video was very timely for me. Thank you, and merry Christmas!
It's what I like to call a "first draft" song -- or in this case, a "second draft" song that has a lot of good bits, but could have been better. But you're right -- those two lines are excellent, and surpass the framing by quite a lot.
The "Mary did you know" is more of a rhetorical question, its not meant to be taken as said, obviously she did know, its a song its meant to be more expressive on the beauty of this.
To me even the "did you know" bit works, because as we discover more about the faith it's an opportunity to think about how Mary pondered all these things in her heart! (Also the reading this past Sunday mentions that Mary and Joseph didn't really understand what Jesus was getting at when he said "did you not know that I would be in my Father's house," so clearly there were things that she didn't know right away) Like yeah there are flaws in this song (Jesus was King of all the nations from the moment of his ... birth? conception?, so putting that in future tense isn't quite right) but the core of it works!
Fantastic episode! This is such a great show. May God bless and guide you and all your loved ones. A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone at Shameless Popery!
I’m a cantor and one of our parish priests wanted to sing this with me on a Christmas feast a year ago. I wasn’t sure and told him; but she knew! I eventually agreed but he had to learn “Gabriel’s message” for next year’s party. Let’s hope he has!
Truly discovering this channel this Christmas and super thankful! Merry Christmas and much gratitude to you Joe and all the team behind this endeavour for making this content possible. God bless you!
@@saintmatthew956 Wait...but isn't she? I mean "incubator" carries negative connotation. But as the vessel by which God took human form, isn't she a divine "incubator"? I feel like you're begging intuition with this criticism. I like other Christmas songs much more. But it's not particularly awful or even anti-catholic (at least from the outside. I am Catholic-curious.)
I'm not sure how much you're emphasizing "only" there, but Catholics also call Mary a "vessel": Spiritual vessel, Vessel of honor, Singular vessel of devotion (From the Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary)
I want to start out by saying that I understand why our Protestant Brothers sometimes have this attitude because they are concerned that honoring Mary somehow detracts worship from Christ which it doesn't but I understand why they think that but anyway The difference is the Protestants view her as more of an incubator. A pious woman who God just happened to yous for the purpose of the incarnation. Unintentioned anything they make God very profane in a way by doing this. When we speak of her being a vessel as in vessel of Honor, spiritual vessel etc. We are calling to mind something consecrated to God. Like the ark of the covenant. And I think that's what the Protestants are missing when they consider Mary just a good woman but not anything special. Even if Mary wasn't sinless she would still be consecrated for God. I mean this, in my opinion, is the strongest argument for the perpetual virginity of Mary.
So did St. Joseph. At this time in history, not only the oppressed Jews were waiting for the Messiah, but also the Wise Men. Hence, Wise Men & Women still seek HIM to this day.
0:22 You couldn't be more wrong. Baby It's Cold Outside is a charming little story of courtship at a time when women were modest-and acted like ladies. In fact, it was written and performed by a husband and wife.
I know your explanation is correct, but there are two things: 1. You could have started off at little more delicately. "You couldn't be more wrong" is a very aggressive approach that can easily lead to confrontation. 2. In more modern times, "what's in this drink" has been polluted by the prevalence of date-r*pe drugs, and the refusal of the man to accept the woman's "no" has become very synonymous with cruel, disrespectful men who believe women owe them something for being nice at first. Was the song meant to be interpreted the way it is now? No, but it is now being viewed through a modern lens and few people are willing to consider it's original lens.
This so much 😂The drink line is about her obfuscating her attraction to the guy, not anything he actually did. The "proper" thing to do for her would be to leave but she doesn't so she playfully opines that there must be something in the drink keeping her around, it couldn't possibly be that she just wants to spend time alone with him, she's a proper lady after all! Even the much maligned repeated line is simply the guy giving her the excuse she's looking for THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SONG to stick around and spend time with him! I will not stand for slander of this song's good name any longer!
Wow, I got to have coffee with Joe Heschmeyer!! 😅 Love this video, and as a cradle Catholic I'm with your mom and sister because I love this song and just ignore the obvious errors! MerryChristmas to you and your family, and thanks Joe for all your hard work this past year!! ❤
Tricky line, but Mary was saved by Jesus' life, death, and Resurrection too but before those events had happened. The "will soon" could reasonably be interpreted to refer to Jesus' work rather than when that work was applied to her. Clever play on word "deliver": Mary delivers Him in birth; He delivers her from sin by His sacrifice but at her conception.
I expect most Protestants agree that Mary has been given sanctify grace by the time of the nativity or prior to Gabriel's message. So it seems our disagreement is limited to what Grace was given to Mary and when she was given grace.
@@jeremysmith7176you would be surprised at what many protestants believe about Mary, many deny she was full of grace at all, saying she was just "Highly favored".
@@jeremysmith7176Maybe a hundred years ago Luthers children had some idea of sanctification. But now many treat Mary as "just a womb that God used" and that's a quote from a Protestant woman I had an online verbal battle with a few months ago. The new Christian/evangelicals are so extremely ignorant and arrogant and they take a stray verse and use it as ammo, not realizing they're reading it entirely out of context. These people believe that Rome is still pagan because of the Vatican not even realizing that pagan Rome already fell thousands of years ago. They tout on the prosecution of protestants by Catholics never realizing that protestants persecuted Catholics too.
NO JOE 😭😭😭😭😭 the guy in the song didn't actually put anything in her drink. That entire song is the flirtatious banter of "making excuses" (like "whats in this drink" is just "oh this is so strong maybe i cant drive home...hehehe") because she wants to stay longer but her family and neighbors will gossip and make her feel horrible. So the two of them are going back and forth with these excuses until she, at the end of the song, stays. They both sound happy at the end of the song, and the whole song is a flirty joke in tone. Okay. That's my soap box. Also, "Mary did you know" is horrible.
I thought "what's in this drink" was a common flirty phrase for infatuation back then. Not necessarily about driving but just "oh my I'm swooning. It must be the drink." I wonder if women drove back then... Lol
When I was a Protestant, I thought it was a beautiful Christmas song. Now that I’m Catholic I’m so embarrassed that I liked it. The song is theologically an insult to Our Lady. I’m certainly sure Mary knew she was kissing the face of God!
I quite like “Mary Did You Know?” when done at church, usually cause it takes on a slower tempo and melody that invokes similar questions in my mind. My church has stained glasses of the Rosary mysteries and a beautiful center window of her and baby Jesus giving rosaries to two Saints, so I’ve always seen her growing up and do often wonder “what was it like for Mary, for Jesus, Joseph, etc. during that time?” I think the constant “did you know?” can be charitably taken like curious children asking their parent, a mother in this case, questions about their life. Anyone who’s ever tried to answer questions for little kids knows they are question shot-gunners where you can barely answer one before they rattle off more 😂😂 I know I had a period of time where I constantly asked my parents about their life growing up, and when I was leaving high school and college if they “knew?” where they wanted to go and what they wanted to do. With this song it does make me stop and think about Mary’s knowledge of the whole thing, and wonder if it’s more of a ‘hindsight’ thing she’s experiencing when relaying her life to the Gospel writers. I know when I talk about my life to others I tend to add more retrospection than I know I did for that time. Overall, I think the hate against this song is overblown and misses the principle that everyone has different perspectives. This song may not be “orthodox Catholic” to some, but it can very well be the song that makes people think more about Mary and her relationship to Jesus because it is so simple and question provoking. It’s a whole lot better than other popular Christmas songs out there, and sometimes it’s okay to enjoy less theologically rich songs if the overall emotions still involve wonder and awe towards Jesus and what his birth means for our salvation. Merry Christmas everyone!! 🎄
Lucky you. The battalion of Boomer Ladies at my parish will beat the congregation with this theologically dumb song throughout this time of year (mostly during Communion). I actually do say, "Yes" in a normal voice each time the song repeatedly raises the question. Hey, play the song in your car all you want, but when you inflict it during Mass (which I willingly must attend), then I'll answer the question as many times that you ask the question.
@@revelation12_1 No, you could ask any Jewish scholar. Only Christians would be crazy enough to suggest that a book written by Jews, about Jews, and for Jews, was really about Christians. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who had issues this song. So my family is split Methodist, Mormon and me a solo Catholic curious person. I was at my parents UMC after I had left Mass this Sunday and part of the music was this song and I silently cringed when they sang this song. Like did they miss the part where the Angel called on Mary to carry, or when Elizabeth was in the know as to the child Mary carried? I just don't with this song
@rangefinderz5135 I don't know that it's heretical, more that it's dumb. Like a song to Moses after the burning bush with 'Moses did you know that you'd deliver your people from Egypt'...answer being...'yea dummy, did you not hear the part where GOD COMANDED ME TO DO THESES THINGS...IN HIS OWN VOICE?'
@@revelation12_1 You must have only received that in a meme. LOL The entire chapter is about ISRAEL, not Jesus “The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8 On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the Lord going before them. 9 On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[a] of grace and supplication. They will look on[b] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. 11 On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and all the rest of the clans and their wives. Zech 12:7:14
HAHAHA of course you drop this Christmas Eve. I'm excited to watch this, but for my money: no, I don't like this song. No, I'm not offended that people do. No, don't sing it in church.
The song show the ignorance of we the people. The gravity of what happened. Points back to what the Isrealites believed in their hearts. How time has separated us from knowledge and belief. Pagen separation and doubt and type of belittling and downplaying. The opposite of Elizabeth's greeting. It accuses Mary of being a stupid bystander, being used by God for his own needs. It is a disgraceful song. Product of our time. Thank you Joe for bringing this topic
My mom always loved this song. She was a devout Orthodox Christian and she would play this song on the stereo, and on the piano herself (she was a talented pianist) along with many other Christmas carols. She fell asleep in the Lord in August 2019 after a nearly 3 year battle with brain cancer. She died after having recently received confession a couple of times when priests came by my parents’ house. When she passed my dad was reading the Psalms to her. I am confident she is in heaven with the saints and Jesus, and Mary, who yes, knows all these things!
Contrastly, my dad always disliked this song. He tolerated it for my mom. I think Joe is on to something when he said there is some mysterious quality of motherhood that enables women to appreciate this song.
@InhabitantOfOddworld I think this is a theological point of disagreement that we are free to disagree on until the Pope or ecumenical council definitively defines which of these two songs is the absolute worst.
If we take all the Protestant songs and do the ‘where is it in the Bible?’ Test, most will fail. Yet, they ask Catholics the same question about our traditions and dogmas.
I was raised baptist (now Orthodox) going to a baptist elementary school and Mary did you know has a special place in my memory only because when we sung it at a school event when I was in the 1st grade I failed to listen to the number one rule of "don't lock your knees" and so, as this song was after a few others, I fainted and cut the event short 😅
Love this channel, I've watched probably 20 of your videos in the last 2 months trying to study the early church. Could you make a video why you are Catholic instead of Eastern Orthodox? Thanks, please keep making this amazing content, Joe!
Great relevant episode as we hear this song often as Catholics. Early on in the episode you say "disconcordant" (which I don't believe is an actual word); I think you meant to say discordant. 😅😅😅. Wonderful pragmatic analysis of this song. 🌹👏❤️✝️
I think the Pope needs to create a dicastery for Liturgical Music that weeds out all the protestant and heretical music and compiles books of officially sanctioned songs to play during mass
I mean, we kinda had that Pre-Vatican-Two. I haven't extensively researched this or anything, but I know there have been many instances where the Pope or bishops have had to step in and stop things like opera-styled music and other entertainment-focused songs from being used in liturgical celebrations. That's why Gregorian Chant and polyphony had become such a staple for the Latin Rite, they were composed, compiled, and reserved explicitly for liturgy and worship, not for casual listening or entertainment; even in the documents of Vatican 2, Gregorian Chant was supposed to be given "pride of place" even as the rules around music were loosened. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to have been followed at all these days, and even when a bishop steps in and says "[Pick whatever sappy 70's folk hymn you can think of] is no longer allowed in liturgical celebrations in my diocese" they often get massive backlash and have to back down. So I'd love to see the Pope step in and try to enforce this from the highest level, it's still entirely within his rights to do so.
Too many languages for it to be centralized like that. If you're going to assess poetry - and songs are a type of poetry - you really need to do it in the language it's written in, and that means fluency. It's best left to bishops' conferences.
Can't help wondering if people who find this too sappy to merit a place on a serious Christmas playlist have for years been singing "Away in a Manger" while reading the words from a very standard church hymnal...Thank God for variety, you never know what key will open the door to someone's heart. Thanks so much for your grounded yet open-minded outlook!
8:40 adding on Psalm 107 as another example the disciples may have remembered. Some went off to sea in ships, plied their trade on the deep waters. They saw the works of the LORD, the wonders of God in the deep. He commanded and roused a storm wind; it tossed the waves on high. They rose up to the heavens, sank to the depths; their hearts trembled at the danger. They reeled, staggered like drunkards; their skill was of no avail. In their distress they cried to the LORD, who brought them out of their peril; He hushed the storm to silence, the waves of the sea were stilled. They rejoiced that the sea grew calm, that God brought them to the harbor they longed for. Let them thank the LORD for his mercy, such wondrous deeds for the children of Adam. Let them extol him in the assembly of the people, and praise him in the council of the elders. Psalm 107:23-32
Did anyone else have captioning turned on and notice Joe's intro reads "Welcome to Sheamus Popery." Joe will always be Sheamus to me! The jacket is boss, too!😍
I do appreciate what the song was trying to do, but what I don't understand is how a Baptist, a branch which prides itself on closely reading and knowing Scripture, would be able to even have the question "Wow, how much did Mary know about this baby?" pop into their head. Bro, it's not even like it's a lesser-known Scripture passage that has the answers to your questions, just read the first two chapters of Luke's Gospel! The angel Gabriel tells her pretty explicitly, do you think Mary just wasn't paying attention? Mary even wrote her own song while visiting Elizabeth that shows just how much she knew, and her song was way better than yours! The song could've worked better if it was clearly from the perspective of one of the visitors at the Nativity, like the shepherds or the kings (or the Little Drummer Boy, perhaps, haha). I'm also not going to discount the fact that the song is nicely-composed; I get why some people like it, and when you approach it in the right way it makes you think about important questions relating to the human and divine natures of Christ. But the way it's lyrically written, it just sounds like the questions are posed by a modern Christian who is ignorant of the most basic of Scripture passages, or thinks so little of Mary that she's incapable of even understanding the things happening around her.
I love this song. I don't see it as condescending, it's more like asking in a rhetorical way if Mary knew all these things and wondering at the amazing thing of God incarnate. Mary knew what and who she carried, but truly internalizing it, and letting it sink in probably took time.
Have a blessed Christmas Joe, love the cardigan. I just listened to a metal version of O come O Emmanuel, it was awesome. I’m really not a fan of mainstream Christmas tunes
I can't tell if you're ironically or seriously saying Baby It's Cold Outside has bad lyrics, but if you're being serious, it doesn't. It was just yet another attempt to demonize the past, and the lyrics very clearly imply light drinking of alcohol not anything nefarious. Only our degenerate culture would rewrite history so harshly. We're a culture of critiquing and rebuilding into something much worse.
Yes, the song in context is a clearly a will-they-won't-they for the woman to stay over. The woman clearly wants to stay the night but there needs to be a plausible reason for her to stay to keep up appearances ('Baby, it's cold outside'). It's all about the subtext. Not a particularly Christian song, but it's definitely not sinister.
As someone who loves this song (and has gotten into arguments over it in the very recent past), I appreciate you examining each line, explaining the background, but also acknowledging that these are good questions to ask. I would like to add a few thoughts: 1. I studied music in college (granted, for education, so i don't have mich in the way of understanding composition), and I feel like the mood is very fitting. It's a song, and songs swell and fall back in volume and intensity often. That's part of what makes music music. If you want someone who isn't "yelling at Mary," read a poem. Also, the song is truly about God, so how is one to restrain their awe and wonder when singing about Him? (Think O Holy Night) 2. The theological controversies become moot if one imagines that they are being asked by one of Jesus' earliest disciples, possibly even before the Cross. They didn't understand everything then, so it makes sense they'd ask questions like "did you know that He will soon save you?" 3. There are defintely better versions of the song by certain artists over others. I see some of them and think "THIS person/group is singing a religous song? That's odd..."
Everyone I listen to this songs , my mi d answering all the question “Yes” and Yes she did “Yes she knows more than we think , she’s just to humble to reveal it , she’s constantly In prayer and speaking to God and God revealed it to her but she does not boast, she is meek and humble of heart and full of grace
Interesting reaction to that popular song. The one thing mentioned in this video I've always wondered about is how Simeon and Anna knew what to look for to know who Jesus was. I have always imagined there will be people like them when Jesus returns, who won't vacillate upon seeing him.
@@jdotoz Thanks for the reply. I've always read their story as an example of instant facial recognition. Maybe that's a misreading on my part, but the way their story is told deeply impacted me the first time I read it.
@@bombastoid Luke says that Simeon came into the temple "by the Spirit," and Anna was called a prophetess, so it seems likely that she had a supernatural prompting as well.
Mother Mary is the secondary topic of this video. The primary is that Joe is clearly apart of the finer things club. It’s the most exclusive club. Naturally it’s here Joe needs to be. Merry Christmas y’all
Merry Christmas Vanessa, Thomas, Metal Man, Joe and everyone else at Shameless Popery! Thanks to all of you for bringing this content, particularly this lesson here. I learned something from the Bible study here. As to whether or not Our Blessed Mother knew that Jesus was sent to be the Passover Lamb, my opinion is that the Angel Gabriel informed her of everything she needed to know to make a completely free choice. It seems to me that had Mary expected to bear a future military ruler, who would establish her as the Queen Mother in the temporal plane, but then ended up dirt poor and even in danger in her final years, it wouldn't have been a completely free choice at the Annunciation. Plus, she knew something at the Wedding in Cana. I know this comes from tradition, although I don't know how far back the tradition goes, but when Jesus told her, "My time has not yet come," it's said that she understood it to mean, "If I do this, it will be the event that leads to My sacrifice as the Passover Lamb." And yet she turned to the servants and said, "Do whatever he tells you." It wasn't included in the Gospel to inspire awe and wonder for its own sake, but to inform us about Jesus. But these are just my thoughts on this. I wrestled with these Scriptures, because I asked questions. So I agree that the lyrics have value.
The Blessed Virgin Mary is created highest in the order of creation. She is higher than all of the angels, and higher than every other human person to ever exist, or ever will exist. I seriously doubt that Lowry believes that.
When I was an atheist as a teenager, this song would come on in my house during Christmas and when I heard it for the first time, it struck me for some reason. I began to look at Mary and Christianity differently- I began to love Mary and see her as a holy woman full of grace. And in a way this song broke down the hardness of my heart and allowed me to look into becoming a Christian. This song was my “to Jesus through Mary”. I have been Catholic for 2 years now, and while I can see why people don’t like this song, it is what got the ball rolling in my conversion. And on top of that, when I heard the line “When you kiss your little baby, you kiss the face of God” instantly associated Mary as the mother of God for me.
Why do some people don't like this song?
@@Maranatha99 from the conversations I have had with friends who don’t like it, they tend to cite that some of the word usage and meanings imply Mary wasn’t fully aware of who her son Jesus was and claim it’s “borderline heretical.” Then again, this group I know tends to be very….. strict I guess when it comes to their faith and are prone to complaining about “modernity” in the Church and their dislike of more contemporary worship music because it’s “empty and manipulative,” even though I know we’ve been on retreats and functions together where those same worship songs elicited strong, genuine emotions from them.
So from my experience, it’s a combination of over zealousness for the faith combined with a strong dislike for contemporary things they personally find “empty” even though it creates positive emotions and worship towards God.
@jendoe9436 The imaginary dislogue with Mary is a simple literary device to highlight some of Jesus' wonderful deeds, as well as try to identify with Mary as a new mother.
@@Maranatha99 oh I agree with ya on that. Over the years, I’ve learned to stop thinking more like an armchair textbook theologian and approach things from a more personal perspective. In that time I’ve found myself feeling way more connected to the faith and having a more charitable and living attitude towards others, with exceptions and stumbling blocks cause I’m still human 😅
I do think this song works good as an introspection for those of us wanting to figure out what Mary’s POV might have been. It’s okay to have questions and curiosities, and sometimes those questions can’t be articulately worded nor do they always have to be “deep.” Some of the best questions I’ve heard have been from kids and it really makes me have to think what I actually know and don’t know so I can properly answer the questions.
@jendoe9436 thanks, Feliz Navidad!
My dad has always hated this song. One year I asked him why he hated it so much and he simply replied "Yes she did".
Its an ok song, but your dad has it right. Yes she did. So its premise is invalid.
Based dad is right
Gently precise, your Dad. I look more at the nuance of it… …but yes, ofcourse she knew. Protestants are searching, we must pray that they find their way. That’s the only way I can decipher the motive behind this song.
@@solitaryGM You don't get the answers without asking the questions.
Yes she knew. Absolutely... she was told. But I still like this song. Nothing wrong for someone who is a non-believer to ask that question. But NEVER in a Catholic church. And I have heard it sung in a Catholic church... that's why I go to the TLM. 🙏
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Apparently I am the only person on Earth who thought the questions were rhetorical, with the answer to all of them being: "Yes, obviously, by the grace of God I have been granted knowledge of all these things."
You're not.
Definitely not. Always my take on it.
Same here.
Yes - and it clearly went right over his head like a 747!✈️✈️✈️
Same
That line that he would soon deliver you… she was already delivered - Mary full of grace 😵💫
@@chealevilla3100 Delivered by virtue of a future act.
The wording is up to interpretation-- the original author probably interpreted Mary as not full of grace, but the grace Catholics say Mary was full of was graces that come from the Paschal mystery, which hadn't happened yet so it's not a line that's completely anti Catholic
@@revelation12_1 No. Read the dogmatic definition.
1. Merry Christmas!
2. As a music major in undergrad, I totally agree with your brother
3. This song has always felt like a low church P&W tripe fest.
4. Though I guess I should be happy that a Baptist is giving some thought to the Blessed Mother vs the John MacArthur "she is just some baby mill" view of her.
Motherhood, from the outside, is very pragmatic. Giving birth, feeding, bathing, coddling, etc. But, there is a sense of wonder, a sense of mystery, something so miraculous about life when you look into your child's eyes. You cannot listen to this song on a superficial level and not find fault with it. But if you venture outside yourself, it becomes very real. I think this song suggests that the person questioning Mary is asking her for affirmation, not questioning Mary about her belief or understanding of her blessed place as Jesus's mother. As a Catholic, I have absolutely no problem with this song.
I lol'd when you explained mansplaining, the level of dry humor was perfect
So good! 😂
Matt Walsh did the joke too, and I think it should be required that any man using the word mansplaining should take a minute to mansplain it 😂
I know the song appeals to a mother's experience, but it gets to my heart as a father, too. The line about kissing the face of God always brings to mind the experience of kissing my children's faces and moves me.
Feliz Navidad to everyone in this channel@
Same to you!
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¡Feliz navidad, próspero año y felicidad!
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Merry Christmas Joe! Thank you for all you do!
I heard this song for the first time about a week ago and immediately resorted to theological questioning.
And here comes good old Joe to the rescue.
GOATed
The first time I heard it I thought yeah of course she did the Angel Gabriel told her
But knowing something academically is different from experiencing it firsthand and having active reminders of it. Every parent tells their toddler not to touch a hot stove. The toddler knows the stove is hot because his mom has told him so. But the first time he reaches up and burns his hand, he KNOWS the stove is hot. And when you’re in the trenches of new motherhood with a crying baby that wants to nurse all the time and poops like 10 times a day, everything feels very mundane. Imagine going through the mundane and then suddenly remembering, “This baby whose butt I just wiped is GOD.” I remember hearing this song when my own son was about 3 months old and it hit me so differently from the many times I’d heard it in my life.
I like the song, but I was beginning to feel guilty about it because of all the criticism. Last night, in one of my periodic bouts of insomnia, I asked myself, "Margaret, do you know why you like this song?" I realized that when I listened to the words, I tended to ignore the "Mary, did you know" part and to go directly to two images that bring tears to my eyes: "When you kiss your little baby, you've kissed the face of God," and "This sleeping child you're holding is the Great I Am." I spent the next hour contemplating the mystery of the incarnation, essentially meditating on the joyful mysteries of the rosary without actually even getting to the first Hail Mary. So yes, I still like the song (with reservations) because it makes me think about Jesus, who somehow is both God and man, which I will never fully understand because I don't have the vocabulary or the mental capacity to grasp a mystery that is beyond me, but which I can still think about and be in awe of and grateful for. That can't be a bad thing. This video was very timely for me. Thank you, and merry Christmas!
It's what I like to call a "first draft" song -- or in this case, a "second draft" song that has a lot of good bits, but could have been better. But you're right -- those two lines are excellent, and surpass the framing by quite a lot.
The "Mary did you know" is more of a rhetorical question, its not meant to be taken as said, obviously she did know, its a song its meant to be more expressive on the beauty of this.
To me even the "did you know" bit works, because as we discover more about the faith it's an opportunity to think about how Mary pondered all these things in her heart! (Also the reading this past Sunday mentions that Mary and Joseph didn't really understand what Jesus was getting at when he said "did you not know that I would be in my Father's house," so clearly there were things that she didn't know right away) Like yeah there are flaws in this song (Jesus was King of all the nations from the moment of his ... birth? conception?, so putting that in future tense isn't quite right) but the core of it works!
Merry Christmas Joe!
Merry Christmas
Thank you for the wonderful upload
The jacket is the whip! Very nice. And Merry Christmas.
Thank you Joe for all that you do!! Merry Christmas!!!
Have a Merry Christmas Joe and everyone!
Fantastic episode! This is such a great show. May God bless and guide you and all your loved ones. A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone at Shameless Popery!
Weird song, cool brother. Merry Christmas and thanks for all the thought provoking videos throughout the year! God bless.
I’m a cantor and one of our parish priests wanted to sing this with me on a Christmas feast a year ago. I wasn’t sure and told him; but she knew!
I eventually agreed but he had to learn “Gabriel’s message” for next year’s party. Let’s hope he has!
Truly discovering this channel this Christmas and super thankful! Merry Christmas and much gratitude to you Joe and all the team behind this endeavour for making this content possible. God bless you!
When you only consider Mary a “vessel”, of course you would write a song like this
They treat her like a divine incubator.
@@saintmatthew956 Wait...but isn't she? I mean "incubator" carries negative connotation. But as the vessel by which God took human form, isn't she a divine "incubator"? I feel like you're begging intuition with this criticism. I like other Christmas songs much more. But it's not particularly awful or even anti-catholic (at least from the outside. I am Catholic-curious.)
oh, man, this exact thought came to me.
I'm not sure how much you're emphasizing "only" there, but Catholics also call Mary a "vessel":
Spiritual vessel,
Vessel of honor,
Singular vessel of devotion
(From the Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary)
I want to start out by saying that I understand why our Protestant Brothers sometimes have this attitude because they are concerned that honoring Mary somehow detracts worship from Christ which it doesn't but I understand why they think that but anyway
The difference is the Protestants view her as more of an incubator. A pious woman who God just happened to yous for the purpose of the incarnation. Unintentioned anything they make God very profane in a way by doing this.
When we speak of her being a vessel as in vessel of Honor, spiritual vessel etc. We are calling to mind something consecrated to God. Like the ark of the covenant. And I think that's what the Protestants are missing when they consider Mary just a good woman but not anything special.
Even if Mary wasn't sinless she would still be consecrated for God. I mean this, in my opinion, is the strongest argument for the perpetual virginity of Mary.
Excellent episode to listen to as I put the surprises under our Christmas tree together. Thank you, Joe and team. Have a very blessed Christmas.
Did you know…Mary knew the scriptures better than many of us….new song?
So did St. Joseph. At this time in history, not only the oppressed Jews were waiting for the Messiah, but also the Wise Men.
Hence, Wise Men & Women still seek HIM to this day.
0:22 You couldn't be more wrong. Baby It's Cold Outside is a charming little story of courtship at a time when women were modest-and acted like ladies. In fact, it was written and performed by a husband and wife.
I know your explanation is correct, but there are two things:
1. You could have started off at little more delicately. "You couldn't be more wrong" is a very aggressive approach that can easily lead to confrontation.
2. In more modern times, "what's in this drink" has been polluted by the prevalence of date-r*pe drugs, and the refusal of the man to accept the woman's "no" has become very synonymous with cruel, disrespectful men who believe women owe them something for being nice at first.
Was the song meant to be interpreted the way it is now? No, but it is now being viewed through a modern lens and few people are willing to consider it's original lens.
I still dislike the premarital sex, inplied.
Yeah this is the first time I've substantially disagreed with Joe 😂
This so much 😂The drink line is about her obfuscating her attraction to the guy, not anything he actually did. The "proper" thing to do for her would be to leave but she doesn't so she playfully opines that there must be something in the drink keeping her around, it couldn't possibly be that she just wants to spend time alone with him, she's a proper lady after all! Even the much maligned repeated line is simply the guy giving her the excuse she's looking for THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SONG to stick around and spend time with him! I will not stand for slander of this song's good name any longer!
@@heroicaknight4735 You couldn't be more wrong
I truly enjoy listening to you, well spoken, knowledgeable and engaging. Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year
Wow, I got to have coffee with Joe Heschmeyer!! 😅 Love this video, and as a cradle Catholic I'm with your mom and sister because I love this song and just ignore the obvious errors! MerryChristmas to you and your family, and thanks Joe for all your hard work this past year!! ❤
Tricky line, but Mary was saved by Jesus' life, death, and Resurrection too but before those events had happened. The "will soon" could reasonably be interpreted to refer to Jesus' work rather than when that work was applied to her. Clever play on word "deliver": Mary delivers Him in birth; He delivers her from sin by His sacrifice but at her conception.
I expect most Protestants agree that Mary has been given sanctify grace by the time of the nativity or prior to Gabriel's message. So it seems our disagreement is limited to what Grace was given to Mary and when she was given grace.
@@jeremysmith7176you would be surprised at what many protestants believe about Mary, many deny she was full of grace at all, saying she was just "Highly favored".
@@jeremysmith7176Maybe a hundred years ago Luthers children had some idea of sanctification. But now many treat Mary as "just a womb that God used" and that's a quote from a Protestant woman I had an online verbal
battle with a few months ago. The new Christian/evangelicals are so extremely ignorant and arrogant and they take a stray verse and use it as ammo, not realizing they're reading it entirely out of context. These people believe that Rome is still pagan because of the Vatican not even realizing that pagan Rome already fell thousands of years ago. They tout on the prosecution of protestants by Catholics never realizing that protestants persecuted Catholics too.
@tony13762 Exactly!
@@jeremysmith7176 What makes you think that? Which Protestants today can you cite?
NO JOE 😭😭😭😭😭 the guy in the song didn't actually put anything in her drink. That entire song is the flirtatious banter of "making excuses" (like "whats in this drink" is just "oh this is so strong maybe i cant drive home...hehehe") because she wants to stay longer but her family and neighbors will gossip and make her feel horrible. So the two of them are going back and forth with these excuses until she, at the end of the song, stays. They both sound happy at the end of the song, and the whole song is a flirty joke in tone.
Okay. That's my soap box.
Also, "Mary did you know" is horrible.
I thought "what's in this drink" was a common flirty phrase for infatuation back then. Not necessarily about driving but just "oh my I'm swooning. It must be the drink." I wonder if women drove back then... Lol
Agreed
This video is bad on so many levels.
Even if what you are saying is true, it's still a suggestive song. It's another baby step in the path of rejecting waiting for marriage.
Merry Christmas to you brother! 🎄that red jacket goes hard!!❤
When I was a Protestant, I thought it was a beautiful Christmas song. Now that I’m Catholic I’m so embarrassed that I liked it. The song is theologically an insult to Our Lady. I’m certainly sure Mary knew she was kissing the face of God!
I quite like “Mary Did You Know?” when done at church, usually cause it takes on a slower tempo and melody that invokes similar questions in my mind. My church has stained glasses of the Rosary mysteries and a beautiful center window of her and baby Jesus giving rosaries to two Saints, so I’ve always seen her growing up and do often wonder “what was it like for Mary, for Jesus, Joseph, etc. during that time?”
I think the constant “did you know?” can be charitably taken like curious children asking their parent, a mother in this case, questions about their life. Anyone who’s ever tried to answer questions for little kids knows they are question shot-gunners where you can barely answer one before they rattle off more 😂😂
I know I had a period of time where I constantly asked my parents about their life growing up, and when I was leaving high school and college if they “knew?” where they wanted to go and what they wanted to do. With this song it does make me stop and think about Mary’s knowledge of the whole thing, and wonder if it’s more of a ‘hindsight’ thing she’s experiencing when relaying her life to the Gospel writers. I know when I talk about my life to others I tend to add more retrospection than I know I did for that time.
Overall, I think the hate against this song is overblown and misses the principle that everyone has different perspectives. This song may not be “orthodox Catholic” to some, but it can very well be the song that makes people think more about Mary and her relationship to Jesus because it is so simple and question provoking. It’s a whole lot better than other popular Christmas songs out there, and sometimes it’s okay to enjoy less theologically rich songs if the overall emotions still involve wonder and awe towards Jesus and what his birth means for our salvation.
Merry Christmas everyone!! 🎄
Agree!
All I want to do holler YES! Every time I hear it. GladI don’t have to hear it at Mass
Lucky you. The battalion of Boomer Ladies at my parish will beat the congregation with this theologically dumb song throughout this time of year (mostly during Communion). I actually do say, "Yes" in a normal voice each time the song repeatedly raises the question. Hey, play the song in your car all you want, but when you inflict it during Mass (which I willingly must attend), then I'll answer the question as many times that you ask the question.
the Song suggests that Mary do not read (or heard) the Old Testament
Jesus isn't in the OT of course.
@@rangefinderz5135 I am aware that what the Christians call prophecies about Jesus were never called prophecies about Jesus even by Jesus himself.
@@revelation12_1 No, you could ask any Jewish scholar. Only Christians would be crazy enough to suggest that a book written by Jews, about Jews, and for Jews, was really about Christians. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who had issues this song. So my family is split Methodist, Mormon and me a solo Catholic curious person. I was at my parents UMC after I had left Mass this Sunday and part of the music was this song and I silently cringed when they sang this song. Like did they miss the part where the Angel called on Mary to carry, or when Elizabeth was in the know as to the child Mary carried? I just don't with this song
@rangefinderz5135 I don't know that it's heretical, more that it's dumb. Like a song to Moses after the burning bush with 'Moses did you know that you'd deliver your people from Egypt'...answer being...'yea dummy, did you not hear the part where GOD COMANDED ME TO DO THESES THINGS...IN HIS OWN VOICE?'
its a rhetorical question, i dont think they litteraly meant to say "mary dint know" or something like that.
Merry Christmas to y’all as we prepare for Midnight Mass! 🎄⛪️🎄
Simeon told Mary that Jesus would be the suffering messiah. She knew.
There was no suffering messiah in Judaism, so that is obviously a Gentile addition.
@@revelation12_1 You must have only received that in a meme. LOL
The entire chapter is about ISRAEL, not Jesus
“The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8 On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the Lord going before them. 9 On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[a] of grace and supplication. They will look on[b] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. 11 On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and all the rest of the clans and their wives. Zech 12:7:14
@@ji8044 Never heard about Joseph? 🤔
That would be some time after birth
@@damnedmadman You mean the father of Jesus of course.
HAHAHA of course you drop this Christmas Eve.
I'm excited to watch this, but for my money: no, I don't like this song. No, I'm not offended that people do. No, don't sing it in church.
10:50 You advert to Linus, and I'm like, do we HAVE documentary evidence from the second Pope?! Oh. Van Pelt. Very good.
As a woman, Joe explaining mansplaining made me laugh so hard
The song show the ignorance of we the people. The gravity of what happened. Points back to what the Isrealites believed in their hearts. How time has separated us from knowledge and belief. Pagen separation and doubt and type of belittling and downplaying. The opposite of Elizabeth's greeting. It accuses Mary of being a stupid bystander, being used by God for his own needs. It is a disgraceful song. Product of our time. Thank you Joe for bringing this topic
Thanks Joe & bro ❤
My mom always loved this song. She was a devout Orthodox Christian and she would play this song on the stereo, and on the piano herself (she was a talented pianist) along with many other Christmas carols. She fell asleep in the Lord in August 2019 after a nearly 3 year battle with brain cancer. She died after having recently received confession a couple of times when priests came by my parents’ house. When she passed my dad was reading the Psalms to her. I am confident she is in heaven with the saints and Jesus, and Mary, who yes, knows all these things!
Contrastly, my dad always disliked this song. He tolerated it for my mom. I think Joe is on to something when he said there is some mysterious quality of motherhood that enables women to appreciate this song.
I quote a (translated) favourite expression of Brother Andre Bessette, the first Canadian born canonized male Saint: "How good the good God is!"
0:19 The worst Christmas song is last Christmas. I gave you my heart.
That's second worst. Mariah Carey takes the top spot.
@InhabitantOfOddworld I think this is a theological point of disagreement that we are free to disagree on until the Pope or ecumenical council definitively defines which of these two songs is the absolute worst.
@@TheCatholicNerd
The sixth lateran council held last week determined that Mariah is definitely the worst
Santa baby
@@SelfHatingProtestant could be worse, Michael bublé did Santa buddy.
If we take all the Protestant songs and do the ‘where is it in the Bible?’ Test, most will fail. Yet, they ask Catholics the same question about our traditions and dogmas.
Yeah, those three ships are completely unbiblical
But Catholics don't claim to have all of our dogma in the Bible. Protestants do
Some of the old hymns are fire though. They even translated the old Latin hymns into the vernacular.
Just so you know, Mary did know.
Mary is the seat of all wisdom 🙏🏽🙏🏻🙏🏾 She knows who are the authentic children of God .
I have meditated on these lyrics many times, and the words have even brought me to tears. It’s a wonderful song 💚✨
I was raised baptist (now Orthodox) going to a baptist elementary school and Mary did you know has a special place in my memory only because when we sung it at a school event when I was in the 1st grade I failed to listen to the number one rule of "don't lock your knees" and so, as this song was after a few others, I fainted and cut the event short 😅
Didn't know the song was that old. Never heard of it before watching this video.
Love this channel, I've watched probably 20 of your videos in the last 2 months trying to study the early church. Could you make a video why you are Catholic instead of Eastern Orthodox? Thanks, please keep making this amazing content, Joe!
“Did you know That your baby boy has come to make you new?
This child that you've delivered
Will soon deliver you”
Completely heretical!
Me yelling at the song, "YES, SHE KNOWS!!"
Great relevant episode as we hear this song often as Catholics. Early on in the episode you say "disconcordant" (which I don't believe is an actual word); I think you meant to say discordant. 😅😅😅. Wonderful pragmatic analysis of this song. 🌹👏❤️✝️
This is a great reflection and discussion on this contemporary Christmas song. I appreciate it.
I agree with your brother. “Mansplaining “
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I think the Pope needs to create a dicastery for Liturgical Music that weeds out all the protestant and heretical music and compiles books of officially sanctioned songs to play during mass
It’s time for the Congregation for the Elimination of ‘70s Hippy Music.
I mean, we kinda had that Pre-Vatican-Two. I haven't extensively researched this or anything, but I know there have been many instances where the Pope or bishops have had to step in and stop things like opera-styled music and other entertainment-focused songs from being used in liturgical celebrations. That's why Gregorian Chant and polyphony had become such a staple for the Latin Rite, they were composed, compiled, and reserved explicitly for liturgy and worship, not for casual listening or entertainment; even in the documents of Vatican 2, Gregorian Chant was supposed to be given "pride of place" even as the rules around music were loosened. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to have been followed at all these days, and even when a bishop steps in and says "[Pick whatever sappy 70's folk hymn you can think of] is no longer allowed in liturgical celebrations in my diocese" they often get massive backlash and have to back down. So I'd love to see the Pope step in and try to enforce this from the highest level, it's still entirely within his rights to do so.
Too many languages for it to be centralized like that. If you're going to assess poetry - and songs are a type of poetry - you really need to do it in the language it's written in, and that means fluency. It's best left to bishops' conferences.
@@revelation12_1 That train has sailed
@revelation12_1 Wow! It's almost as if I deliberately worded it that way just for style.
Merry Christmas, Joe!
Can't help wondering if people who find this too sappy to merit a place on a serious Christmas playlist have for years been singing "Away in a Manger" while reading the words from a very standard church hymnal...Thank God for variety, you never know what key will open the door to someone's heart. Thanks so much for your grounded yet open-minded outlook!
Mary did you know more than protestants?
Between this jacket and the famous shirt, I'm still waiting for Catholic Answers men's wear collection to drop
Merry Christmas Joe and all!❤
I find it theologically imperfect, but it can be nice
It's a fine song. Just maybe don't sing it in church.
@ I agree
5:50 - I see what you did there, Joe.
I lost it at that bit. Perfection
“Mary did you know?” But it’s to the melody of “Steady, as She Goes” by the Raconteurs.
Merry Christmas 🎄
8:40 adding on Psalm 107 as another example the disciples may have remembered.
Some went off to sea in ships,
plied their trade on the deep waters.
They saw the works of the LORD,
the wonders of God in the deep.
He commanded and roused a storm wind;
it tossed the waves on high.
They rose up to the heavens, sank to the depths;
their hearts trembled at the danger.
They reeled, staggered like drunkards;
their skill was of no avail.
In their distress they cried to the LORD,
who brought them out of their peril;
He hushed the storm to silence,
the waves of the sea were stilled.
They rejoiced that the sea grew calm,
that God brought them to the harbor they longed for.
Let them thank the LORD for his mercy,
such wondrous deeds for the children of Adam.
Let them extol him in the assembly of the people,
and praise him in the council of the elders. Psalm 107:23-32
I was just thinking about this song. Can't wait to listen.
Did anyone else have captioning turned on and notice Joe's intro reads "Welcome to Sheamus Popery." Joe will always be Sheamus to me! The jacket is boss, too!😍
The mansplaining moment was golden 🤣
I do appreciate what the song was trying to do, but what I don't understand is how a Baptist, a branch which prides itself on closely reading and knowing Scripture, would be able to even have the question "Wow, how much did Mary know about this baby?" pop into their head. Bro, it's not even like it's a lesser-known Scripture passage that has the answers to your questions, just read the first two chapters of Luke's Gospel! The angel Gabriel tells her pretty explicitly, do you think Mary just wasn't paying attention? Mary even wrote her own song while visiting Elizabeth that shows just how much she knew, and her song was way better than yours!
The song could've worked better if it was clearly from the perspective of one of the visitors at the Nativity, like the shepherds or the kings (or the Little Drummer Boy, perhaps, haha). I'm also not going to discount the fact that the song is nicely-composed; I get why some people like it, and when you approach it in the right way it makes you think about important questions relating to the human and divine natures of Christ. But the way it's lyrically written, it just sounds like the questions are posed by a modern Christian who is ignorant of the most basic of Scripture passages, or thinks so little of Mary that she's incapable of even understanding the things happening around her.
I love this song. I don't see it as condescending, it's more like asking in a rhetorical way if Mary knew all these things and wondering at the amazing thing of God incarnate. Mary knew what and who she carried, but truly internalizing it, and letting it sink in probably took time.
Literally what my pastor talked about on Sunday as a hook for his sermon lol. Our gospel reading was in Luke 1.
Not only did she know- she pondered these things in her heart even.
My protestant father and did this same exercise a few days ago.
At first I thought your brother looked nothing like you, but he makes all the same faces and cadences as you.
Have a blessed Christmas Joe, love the cardigan.
I just listened to a metal version of O come O Emmanuel, it was awesome. I’m really not a fan of mainstream Christmas tunes
17:17 ‘Aquatic-related Messianic Activity’ 😂 “We’ve got a second ArMA, gentleman! Write it down, Matthew!”
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I can't tell if you're ironically or seriously saying Baby It's Cold Outside has bad lyrics, but if you're being serious, it doesn't. It was just yet another attempt to demonize the past, and the lyrics very clearly imply light drinking of alcohol not anything nefarious. Only our degenerate culture would rewrite history so harshly. We're a culture of critiquing and rebuilding into something much worse.
Yes, the song in context is a clearly a will-they-won't-they for the woman to stay over. The woman clearly wants to stay the night but there needs to be a plausible reason for her to stay to keep up appearances ('Baby, it's cold outside'). It's all about the subtext. Not a particularly Christian song, but it's definitely not sinister.
As someone who loves this song (and has gotten into arguments over it in the very recent past), I appreciate you examining each line, explaining the background, but also acknowledging that these are good questions to ask. I would like to add a few thoughts:
1. I studied music in college (granted, for education, so i don't have mich in the way of understanding composition), and I feel like the mood is very fitting. It's a song, and songs swell and fall back in volume and intensity often. That's part of what makes music music. If you want someone who isn't "yelling at Mary," read a poem. Also, the song is truly about God, so how is one to restrain their awe and wonder when singing about Him? (Think O Holy Night)
2. The theological controversies become moot if one imagines that they are being asked by one of Jesus' earliest disciples, possibly even before the Cross. They didn't understand everything then, so it makes sense they'd ask questions like "did you know that He will soon save you?"
3. There are defintely better versions of the song by certain artists over others. I see some of them and think "THIS person/group is singing a religous song? That's odd..."
“Joe with Joe “
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Mansplaining “mansplaining” to me at 5:46 wasn’t something I was prepared for. 😭😂
Mary's the Holy Theotokos, of COURSE She knew.😂❤😊
“an aquatic related messianic activity” 😂
Jesus was quite a fan of aquatic sports
Everyone I listen to this songs , my mi d answering all the question “Yes” and Yes she did “Yes she knows more than we think , she’s just to humble to reveal it , she’s constantly In prayer and speaking to God and God revealed it to her but she does not boast, she is meek and humble of heart and full of grace
I’m a cradle catholic mexican and I had never heard this song 😅 this is so interesting! 🧐 I wonder what they think about Burrito Sabanero 🤭
Merry Christmas!
This song is right down there with The Christmas Shoes and anything by Wee Sing for Christmas
7:28 St Louis De Montfort's True Devotion iron bracelet spotted.
A song that gets under the skin of a Catholic and provokes a thoughtful response has some value. Let this song never completely fade away.
It would rightly get under the skin of any biblical literate Christian. "Mary did you know that water is wet?"
As long as we’re not singing it during Mass, it’s a nice song… just not during Mass (as my choir director and I have discussed on multiple occasions)
Interesting reaction to that popular song.
The one thing mentioned in this video I've always wondered about is how Simeon and Anna knew what to look for to know who Jesus was. I have always imagined there will be people like them when Jesus returns, who won't vacillate upon seeing him.
"Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in Heaven."
@@jdotoz Thanks for the reply. I've always read their story as an example of instant facial recognition. Maybe that's a misreading on my part, but the way their story is told deeply impacted me the first time I read it.
@@bombastoid Luke says that Simeon came into the temple "by the Spirit," and Anna was called a prophetess, so it seems likely that she had a supernatural prompting as well.
Mother Mary is the secondary topic of this video. The primary is that Joe is clearly apart of the finer things club. It’s the most exclusive club. Naturally it’s here Joe needs to be. Merry Christmas y’all
In the spirit of bad jokes started by Joe... 33:20 But wait, there's myrrh...
Merry Christmas Vanessa, Thomas, Metal Man, Joe and everyone else at Shameless Popery! Thanks to all of you for bringing this content, particularly this lesson here. I learned something from the Bible study here. As to whether or not Our Blessed Mother knew that Jesus was sent to be the Passover Lamb, my opinion is that the Angel Gabriel informed her of everything she needed to know to make a completely free choice. It seems to me that had Mary expected to bear a future military ruler, who would establish her as the Queen Mother in the temporal plane, but then ended up dirt poor and even in danger in her final years, it wouldn't have been a completely free choice at the Annunciation. Plus, she knew something at the Wedding in Cana. I know this comes from tradition, although I don't know how far back the tradition goes, but when Jesus told her, "My time has not yet come," it's said that she understood it to mean, "If I do this, it will be the event that leads to My sacrifice as the Passover Lamb." And yet she turned to the servants and said, "Do whatever he tells you." It wasn't included in the Gospel to inspire awe and wonder for its own sake, but to inform us about Jesus. But these are just my thoughts on this. I wrestled with these Scriptures, because I asked questions. So I agree that the lyrics have value.
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Awesome insight…. Amen
The Blessed Virgin Mary is created highest in the order of creation. She is higher than all of the angels, and higher than every other human person to ever exist, or ever will exist. I seriously doubt that Lowry believes that.