When I hear good biblical exegesis, really good exegesis, I'm awe struck by the sheer beauty of how it all goes together, my soul is elevated and I feel myself even more in love with God and in awe of the Bible for such stunning beauty. It's like a saw a sunset in Costa Rica or discovered a new law of nature. Thank you! And God bless your amazing ministry!
He is so wrong about their views of sex, it's ridiculous. Nobody in the Jewish culture is or was fine with people going around have having sex to make someone their wife. It was improper and wrong. Having sex during an engagement period was wrong too, even if it happened sometimes. All of this is irrelevant for Jesus was Joseph wasn't his father and people knew that. The entire video is kind of pointless.
@@huntsman528 "Nobody in the Jewish culture is or was fine with people going around have having sex to make someone their wife." what is your evidence for this? "It was improper and wrong." I know you think that they did, but *why should I believe that?* "All of this is irrelevant for Jesus was Joseph wasn't his father and people knew that. " then why was he allowed in the temple genius?
@@huntsman528 "All of this is irrelevant for Jesus was Joseph wasn't his father and people knew that." Also see Matthew 13:55, Luke 4:22, and John 6:42.
As a protestant thank you so much for this teaching. The fact that Jesus was not socially a bastard because He was allowed into the temple is huge. It further shows that God did not want to allow any hint of doubt to the Rabbi scholars of Jesus' divinity.
The proper Jewish legal definition of a bastard is this and only this; that the child be born to a woman married to a man who is not the father. The child of a single woman who fornicates even with a married man is not a bastard.
This was amazing. I’m not even halfway in and I’ve learned so much. So much reference to Jewish traditions and laws that it makes nothing but total complete 100% sense.
This video had a lot more clips from other sources which made the contrast and the presentation a lot more engaging. Please keep that up! Love all your content, keep it up Joe!
Your explanation is pretty profound, even for a Catholic who missed some of these important details. It certainly paints a clearer picture with the description of the Jewish marriage process.
That was fantastic Joe. Thank you. You and your friends, colleagues, fellow apologists -Jimmy, Tim, Trent, Carlo- are (like Tina Turner sings) simply THE BEST. Really. And what makes Catholic Answers apologists the best is CHARITY. It comes across each and every time you guys engage people to defend the faith. You NEVER insult someone, put someone down, accuse someone, beat them up for misunderstanding, dismiss people as "people like you", or get angry with a person who merely doesn't understand clearly and has an opinion. THAT is a treasure, and you guys are great. We are blessed in you and your teammates. Merry Christmas!!
With the exception of Gavin Ortlund, I see a lot more charity consistently on the part of Catholics than I do Protestants (and I am a born-and-raised Protestant).
Matthew 1:22-23 makes reference to Isaiah 7:14 Newer versions of the bible have the same quote (whether Catholic or Protestant) but my Challenor Rheims bible from over 55 years ago based on the Douray Rheims says ..." and a virgin shall be with child (????)...." This version says it all as in newer versions it says "a virgin shall conceive and bear a son", which is acceptable of any new married woman in a conjugal relationship with her husband. A woman/virgin can conceive in a relationship and then bear a child, but then she is no longer a virgin...a virgin cannot be "with child" as she is still a virgin. This is the miracle of the Incarnation . This bible version and verse has always cemented my belief in Mary's perpetual virginity.
@@CapeCodTrueCrimeChannel There are many christain heros that married and remained virgins , they worked together helping the poor, and to avoid gossip, they married
What you imply is blaspheme and it is not a joke. Jesus to Sister Lucy of Fatima fame talked about the 5 Common Blasphemes in 1930 with private revelation to Sister Lucy. Quote from JESUS " What are the 5 blaphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary? GIVEN to Sister Lucy in private revelation, May 29 or 30, 1930): 1) Blasphemies against the Immaculate Conception. 2) Blasphemies against Her perpetual Virginity. 3) Blasphemies against Her Divine Maternity, in refusing at the same time to recognize Her as the Mother of men. 4) The blasphemies of those who publicly seek to sow in the hearts of children indifference or scorn, or even hatred of this Immaculate Mother. 5) The offences of those who outrage Her directly in Her holy images. " JESUS again... "Here, my daughter, is the reason why the Immaculate Heart of Mary [My Mother] causes Me to ask for this little act of reparation and due to it move My mercy to forgive those souls who had the misfortune of offending her. As for you, try without ceasing, with all your prayers and sacrifices, to move Me into mercifulness toward those poor souls." So ... change your ways... study this video, learn from it... Renounce Satan!!! Renounce Satan!!! Renounce Satan!!!
you are good, like Trent Horn. i think i have to binge watch your videos. you have 100+ already. i bought 2 of your books. i'm not so intelligent so it was not easy for me to understand but people like you made me love our faith more and more each day ❤✝️🙏
I believe in Greek there’s something called the “conditional clause” which as you explained, denotes time and not a final outcome. “Stay in your room until your father gets home” but we don’t know if the child was told to remain in their room even after their father got home. This was a fantastic video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
It’s so interesting to hear all the history of the times! And also so important to know that history in order to really understand what the Bible is actually saying. It’s not just a bunch of random verses you can pick and choose to mean what you want. Thank you and bless you for this podcast!
I wish the title were a little different and Joe even shows the Catholic nun getting it wrong. And thank you for revealing how we are married to Jesus but we don't yet live with him and have yet to celebrate the marriage feast!
Every year there are people like this who think its their mission to go online and destroy your Christmas. Ignore it and have a beautiful blessed Christmas.
Thank you. I had questions about Mary’s desire for virginity and why she would agree to marry if she was planning to remain virgin. This helped me understand better how and why when explained in the old Jewish tradition. It also gave me a new love for St. Joseph.
We all seem to forget that there have always been people who consecrate themselves to God and make bows of chastity. John the Baptist is one. It’s good to hear someone explain it like he did.
Thank you for this explanation! This helps me understand concretely what seems ambiguous in our 21st century lens of the scriptures. Can you recommend any books on the Catholic vs Orthodox authority, what excactly is the magisterium and the filioque question? I know its a dense issue, but I'm willing to put in the work. May Mary keep you, sir! (Oh boy, what controversy will my salutation bring in the comments?) GOD BLESS YOU.
@@IsaiahINRIeverytime I hear protestants diminishing Mary I always think of genesis 3:15; revelation 12:13, 17; Who is going after the Woman and her offspring?
EX-CATHOLIC HERE.December 25 is the birth of Constantine's favourite demon Sun god.POPE would obey his master Constantine to worship the demon god through Sabbath-Sun day,Eurachrist etc. Holy spirit told me the Pergamum church of Book of Revelation falls between 313 AD to 600 AD. Revelation 2:13(I know where you live-where Satan has his throne.)Antipas also had matryed under the Roman Emporer Nero.Pergamum was in Rome when JOhn wrote Book of Revelation.Hence, ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH was built on Throne of Satan. This the reason Vatican church looks like an India cobra snake from top.And peter square shape is like hindu god shiva linga.Moreover,POPE sits at Auditorium PAUL VI- looks like a deadly Python Snake from inside and out.
@ the holy spirit told you nothing and be careful what you say because you are taking the name of God in vain. Also, 25th December is the day of the feast of dedication which is in Maccabees, which is the same feast Jesus celebrated in the winter, and that jews nowadays called hannukah. So...
@@francescoaccomando7781 Do you read counterfeit Catholic Bible The Catechism??? Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to his words,or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it or subtract from it. Deuteronomy 4:2 You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you. These scripture says not to change His words.Yet Catholic church made a new bible to justify their false teachings.
You pointed this distinction out in an earlier video and it breaks Jesus' Johannine farewell discourse wide open. So glad to return to the topic here more fully.
@@jwatson181typical Protty vomit. Stick with the topic. Oops, my bad - with u and ur faith tradition's shallowness, ignorance, and illogicalness don't expect much intellect and reason on you're part.
The subtitle is misleading. The nun is clearly Catholic and not Protestant. The rest of the video is very well done. As a Protestant, I have been taught they were legally married not engaged. My pastors were well taught and explained the two steps of Jewish matrimony similar to this video.
I don't mean this in any way other than pure curiosity, but did they also teach the perpetual virginity? I'd never heard any of this in my Protestant background until I watched Joe's episode titled Was Mary a Perpetual Virgin?
As all of the temple instruments, the tent of meeting and the ark were based off of the heavenly realities so is Mary, the perfect NT fulfillment of the oT ark based on a better covenant.
Trent Horn makes a great point about this. If you look in the OT, it's very clear what happens to those who wrongfully touch the Ark of the Covenant. Even if they are good, they only know destruction for touching that which is God's. It stands to reason that the New Ark of the New Covenant shall also be undefiled.
I’m sure this is also the case in other cultures and languages. I hear a lot that during Jesus’s time they didn’t have as many distinctions for family relations. The same English translation issue arises whether family distinctions are less, or more complex. As a specific example, in Polish the term Kuzyn (Cousin) is used for second cousin; but can also be used for first cousin. The term for first cousin is “Brat/Siostra Cioteczny/a” or “Brat/Siostra Wujeczny/a”meaning Brother/Sister on the Aunt-Side or Uncle-Side. It actually gets more complicated because for some reason there are different words for Uncle on mother’s side vs Uncle on father’s side (but in practice people usually use Wujek and not Stryjek for uncle). Anyway, in real-life people talk about their Brat or Siostra (especially in the case of someone who is an only-child) and only add “on the uncles/aunts-side” when it is strictly necessary for the conversation. I’ve literally had this conversation with an acquaintance who is an only child: Her: “… my brother is taking music lessons.” Me: “Wait, I thought you didn’t have siblings.” Her: “Oh yeah, my brother-on-my-aunt’s-side.”
As a Vietnamese, it's very easy for us to understand this. We use the same words to denote siblings and cousins of the same ranks. For example: "anh" is older brother or a male cousin from your parents older siblings or "em" , a younger sibling or cousin from your parents younger siblings.
There are six basic patterns of kinship in the world's languages. This Wikipedia article is very interesting if you've never heard of it before. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinship_terminology English follows what's called Eskimo kinship.
that part about uncles from different sides....all Indo-Aryan/ Sanskrit descended languages have that trait too 😇 like the word for uncle us different based on whether it's your mother's brother or your father's. EVEN the designation for grandmother and grandfather is distinct based on if it's the parent of your mother vs of the father... fascinating ❤️🔥
Joseph as a God fearing 1st century Jew would never dare to touch the ark of the covenant which in ancient times was kept in the Holy of Holies in the temple that only the High Priest has access to. Now after being informed that Mary is the ark of the new covenant AND has also became the spouse of the Holy Spirit, he will definitely be in awe/fear of the impending relationship as he knows any misstep can lead to his death. Only Protestants can think that Joseph will insist on his marital rights as if that is more important than raising baby God under his roof. I just can't imagine the fear, anxiety, responsibility, and honor that Joseph must have felt. I am living with God in the flesh in my house as well as a living ark of the covenant. Don't tell me that Joseph is clueless as to the identities and ramifications of the baby/mother pair.
Thanks for your insightful commentary. I'm embarrassed to admit that my own understanding was a bit shallow on the subject. I myself had believed that they were engaged but not yet married, though I knew that they had different customs back then. For example, it was not unusual for a young girl to be married to an older man (often arranged to settle disputes or unite clans), however they would not live together or have marital relations until she was older and consented to move in with him.
This was amazing. I’m not even halfway in and I’ve learned so much. So much reference to Jewish traditions and laws that it makes nothing but total complete 100% sense.
Great episode, you really dug deep. May God have mercy on all who unknowingly blaspheme the Mother of God. Every offense against the Virgin Mary is an offense against the Lord.
God deserves worship, and thus the things of God deserve respect. We ought to treat the Arc of the Covenant as holy and set aside for God. Because it is the primary instrument of God in the Old Covenant. We ought to treat Mary as holy and set aside for similar reasons.
@@susanburrows810 nobody said honoring the Mother of God means worshipping her. But to blaspheme against the spiritual truths about her is in fact dishonoring God so it's important to understand those truths
@@susanburrows810We don't worship Mary. She isn't a goddess or anything. We venerate her, some to a higher degree - some of us less so. I identify in the latter category and do not generally take my prayers to her, but nor do I condemn my brethren who choose to. I admire Mary immensely, but I don't pray to her except in rare instances involving female health concerns, because I know she was a human woman and gets what I'm going through ❤️🔥✝️ peace 🕊️
I just had an argument about this with a couple close Protestant friends of mine, and they argued that Mary and Joseph were not married at the Annunciation. I actually didn’t know any of this so I conceded. This is incredibly helpful.
I’m a Protestant (although converting to Orthodoxy) and have previously heard this argument. This is one of the best ways I’ve seen the whole idea laid out Joe did a great job here. Couple of things Joe left out that were impactful for me is that all the major reformers: Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, all believed in perpetual virginity and the idea Mary had children with Joseph wasn’t popular until more like 18th and 19th centuries. So to sum up Protestants are totally wrong about Mary’s Virginity and are just plain reading the text incorrectly. I really thought about what would happen in heaven when I see Mary next to the Lord and realized all this Mary hate has a Protestant is entirely inappropriate
As a convert from Prot to Cath, I have thought about the way Prots talk/think about celibacy - they seem to despise it??! Even old women (like my mother) despise it. It's almost like an anathema. I hypothesize that this is due to Luther's rejection of celibacy and his taking a nun as a wife (apparently living a more fulfilled life). Could it be that Luther's "thorn in the flesh" was his sexual desires, could it be the driving force behind his "reformation" (Faith Alone)?? I too struggle to accept celibacy (for myself), but at least I can see that this is biblical and a proper way to honor God. Prots don't seem to see this anymore. Why? It is related to their rejection of the Catholic faith - it is their "protest".
How dare you say " Mary hate." THAT is a lie. We think Mary was a wonderful human who humbly accepted her servanthood. As fully and only human, she was sinful & needed forgiveness & salvation, & does not have a place in heaven next to God, no matter how many "Catholic prayers" say she forgives others & is co-responsible for the salvation that only JESUS AS GOD OFFERS. It's blasphemous to say Mary is in any way divine...God is a jealous God & does NOT share worship due Him. A Biblical Christian understands this.
You are stupid or blind and dishonest in your heart.no Chatolic ever belived that Mother Mary is Devine or that she forgives our sinn's.she is Mother of Lord Jesus who is thruly Man and thruly God so she is Mother of God the Son,not God the Father or God the Spirit,she is one who sead will crush the head of the sneake and she is in heaven like Abraham and Jackob and our God is God of living not the God of the dead.in front of God s tron in heaven are prayers of the saints(Revelations)
@@matthewashman1406 It doesn't sound like a beef... One wants those he/she LOVES to share in the benefits of the truth. We leave people to their own devices when we don't care about them, or lack the courage to speak up when we think they are in danger or missing out on something good and important.
He literally showed a video of a Catholic who had this misunderstanding. My protestant children understand that Mary was married to Joseph. Seriously, this isn't a "Protestant" issue.
@markmitchell402 I understand that the perpetual virginity of Mary is found nowhere in scripture. I understand that Catholics use invalid gnostic books such as the false Gospel of James. According to Catholic Podcasters, Mary and Joseph weren't really married as they never consumed their marriage (at least according to them, the Bible disagrees). Their "marriage", if you could call that could just be dismissed. This is how they describe people who get married and only ever use contraceptives. They aren't really married. Why I'd teach my kids "biblical facts" that are not found in the Bible is beyond me.
Ironic that McArthur gives that explanation of Joseph's fear. Very Catholic sounding! My very Baptist mother-in-law told me spontaneously that her Sunday school class, in their lesson one Sunday, it included a meditation on the mother of Mary, and how holy she must have been to raise such a girl as Mary who would be mother of the messiah. I thought to myself (but didn't say it), "How VERY Catholic!" I did tell her that we know her name, Saint Anne.
Hi,Tim. My guess is that your very Baptist mother-in-law is working hard to foster harmonious family relations, as, I gather, are you. This is praiseworthy, and carries promise for future blessings if you all persevere. God bless you.
@timrichardson4018, what if Roman Catholics were being very Baptist? What if they are just being very christian. I do not hear people say things which are common ground with most of christianity and think how very The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of them. I am confused by you doing that.
A wonderful explanation of why we believe what we believe. This is why we must be careful trying to understand scripture with a single verse. There are so many references to other verses that make the whole thing clear, as well as knowledge of how things were understood differently thousands of years ago.
this is a brilliant testimony .Took my breath away. Thank you!. thank! thank you! I was aware that Mary was the ark of they new covenant and that you were not allowed to touch the first ark but i never put it together like Joel did. it is like a gift from the Holy Spirit to contemplate this reality in the way Joel presented. I now nave an even deeper connection to Mother Mary
Excellent presentation.....i hope a lot of protestants were watching ......protestsnts need to understand about TRADITION and what s big role it plays in the bible . Well done on a smart presentstion .
@@andrevisser7542 yes a lot of them are not told about the history of the church deliberately....because protestant pastors would lose them as tithes .... everything about the Protestant movement is tithes .....even though tithing was removed with the new testament .....protestants don't even know that : Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant. Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests (1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest (Heb. 7). The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the old covenant. Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation-to Jews who lived in the land of promise. With the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation is no longer the locus of God’s people, though individual Jews are part of Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament. When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43-47; 4:32-37; 11:27-30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1-4; 2 Cor. 8:1-9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1-4-a passage often cited in popular circles in support-doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem. Protestantism is all about money ........ASK ANY EX PROTESTANT.
@@andrevisser7542 yes protestants are deliberately not told about the history of the church ......because if they did ....pastors would lose their tithes when protestants become catholic . Protestants don't even know that tithing went out with the New Testament: Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant. Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests (1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest (Heb. 7). The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the old covenant. Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation-to Jews who lived in the land of promise. With the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation is no longer the locus of God’s people, though individual Jews are part of Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament. When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43-47; 4:32-37; 11:27-30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1-4; 2 Cor. 8:1-9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1-4-a passage often cited in popular circles in support-doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem. Protestantism is all about the money Ask any ex protestant.
It's bizarre. Protestants think they will gain traction with their followers by debasing and degrading Mary but they fail to take into account what Christ himself will think of this trashing of his mother. Also, they do the same thing to St. Peter; nominally the most important apostle (at least to Christ) and personally selected by Christ as the Rock upon which he built His church. What are they thinking?
Wow! I never thought about it before, but Joseph "putting her away quietly" to spare her reputation only makes sense if they were already married. If they were merely engaged, breaking it off would guarantee her apparent adultery would be made known. So putting her away would be the worst thing he could do if sparing her scandal was his intent. But divorcing her for adultery but doing so quietly (i.e. Not saying why) would leave the impression the baby was legitimate but he just decided not to stay married to her for some other reason, because in Jewish law a man could divorce his wife for practically any reason.
@timrichardson4018, I'm happy for you to have realized something I realized 40 years ago. I'm not a Protestant. Protestants realize that, too. The title of this video is a false accusation.
This was an incredible explanation of the relationship between Mary and Joesph, and I think even many Catholics get this wrong. In a TMIY program at my Parish Steve Bollman said Joesphs reason for divorce was to protect Mary from stoning since she would look unfaithful to him, and it would put the guilt on him as being a "Walkaway Joe". I will definitely study this more!
@Shamelesspopery @Joe Heschmeyer thank you for this very detailed explanation it is so very much needed and appreciated. Thank you your brother Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
This all goes back to how people need to be reminded that English is a Christian language. So many words are literally informed by the fact that the people who spoke were Christmas. Goodbye and the etymology of priest comes to mind.
I wouldn't say that English is a Christian language, per se. It's rather a language which has been deeply influenced by Christianity. There are still many vestiges of the Germanic paganism which English speakers practiced. Think of the names of the days of the week.
And really, English is a Protestant language. 50 years prior to the English Reformation you have Middle English texts like Le'Morte D'Arthur, which the average English language speaker would have a devil of a time reading today. Modern English has developed almost entirely post-reformation and almost entirely in countries where the Reformation influence was unusually prominent (Ireland being a notable exception, of course).
Every time I hear John McArthur start talking I know that it's safe to believe the opposite of 90% of what comes out of his mouth. Edit: as some have correctly noted, it is probably higher than 90%. Haha
You do not know what espoused means? No wonder you do not know God or the salvation he offers! You still do not know what, "The wages of sin is death" means? We are all sinners and by God's law we all deserve death and are looking for it's judgment. You have yet to understand what, "If ye will enter my rest" means? You cannot buy or work your way off of death row but God has a plan to save you but your to hubris to find and understand it and therefore you only have the second death to look forward to unless you find and understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Matthew 1:20 KJV ...for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Great timing on hearing this. I had just started to wonder why Mary would say "How can this be?" when told she would have a child. If she was betrothed she would expect to have relations with her husband and therefore a child. It does make sense if she had committed to a life of chastity and Joseph had agreed to take her into his house with that understanding.
@spamdump4459, I disagree with you use of the term, "life of chastity" because sex between a husband and wife is chaste. You meant, "life of celibacy". I look at that those facts about Mary and see proof that they did not have sex until step 2 of the marriage ceremony. Most people have sex as soon as they believe it is allowed. Why would Mary and Joseph be different?
This is not something "Protestants" get wrong. I think a lot of Catholics are wrong about this too. I am a recent convert to Catholicism, partially helped by your book Pope Peter, but I always understood Mary as having been wed but in that betrothal-esqe stage of an old Jewish custom that may have lasted a year before a sexual marriage.
Hi, Ethan. It's good that you as a Protestant had such appreciation as you did. Nonetheless, there's a distinction to be drawn, and it makes all the difference. The understanding that you describe makes sexual relations before the second stage morally objectionable, whereas the second stage in ancient Jewish weddings carried no assumption of continence prior to the second stage. The Jewish second stage would simply have been transfer of residence and authority structure. The implication is that both parts of Isaiah's prophesy are striking and unexpected, with the resulting compounding of the unlikelihood of fulfilment in other than the Messiah.
@shamelesspopery, Do you think the two-stage marriage hints at the Assumption? Mary's fiat could be seen, in a sense, as her consent to a spiritual "marriage," and then her Assumption could be seen as the second stage of the marriage, where her spiritual "spouse" takes her to be with Him. I'm also reminded of Revelation, where the woman clothed with the sun flees to the wilderness where a place "had been prepared for her," perhaps another allusion to the second stage of the marriage ceremony.
27:10 something more telling than the _until_ is the unbiblical assumption that having relations= having children. The parents of John the Baptist not only had relations their whole married life but were blessed with a _first born son_ only at the eve of their lives. Having children is not a _right_ but a blessing. First born son is not a number but a title. As to the many children of Mary... where is the list? The Bible doesn't scrimp here listing children is the hobby of the Bible. It lists Mary and Clopas children (why!) but never list Mary and Josephs except for listing Jesus.
Mark 6 v 3 and Matthew 13 v 55 which granted could be Joseph's son's from previous marriage or cousins (as explained in the video) but they wouldn't necessarily mention Mary in a list of Joseph's children or Jesus brothers as few lists in the Bible mention the wives names
Thank you very much for the time and energy you took to deliver to us such a delightful and insightful truth of Holy Mary's perpetual virginity and faithfulness.
Steven, great conversation, thank you. I was astounded when you injected that the scope of the universe made you feel humanity as being inconsequential. O' contraire. The very structure of our genetic coding, all life's coding, on this most unique and specialized planet, should direct your consciousness toward how uniquely special we are; hence, if the 'God' you choose to denounce (yet are quite willing to profane His name- the 3rd of 10 basic rules passed throughout the ages as guardrails to ensure life satisfaction/happiness) were to create a life-being with the propensity for love & rational thought, how big would we have to be to qualify?
Unfortunately, your title misrepresents some Protestants, limiting sharing. If title said "many Protestants", it would be much better. @shamelesspopery Wonderful analysis video.
I don't know where the unwed part came from. It was explicitly stated that Jesus is a descendant of David through Joseph. It just means that God already recognized the union of Mary and Joseph before the conception.
Please do a video on the immaculate conception, explaining some of its Biblical and historical origins. It's a big talking point, even amongst Catholics.
A question I have is...Did Jews around 2 BC think that Is7:14 was a Messianic prophesy that would have a 2nd fulfillment. Or was it more of an 'Easter Egg' prophesy that becomes recognizable in retrospect.
I had an advisor in grad school tell me once that any research project is defined by its foils. I think that applies to this venue as well and I think Joe could do better than respond to these folks. I know they are popular but I also suspect they don’t reflect the best in historic Protestant theology. Maybe that doesn't drive up the subscriber numbers (since rebutting inflamatory caricatures from folks like McArthur is going to get more views than rutting a more sophisticated, nuanced theologian) but I think the depth and insight we could get from Joe (and Trent and others) would be even better if the foils they chose were more serious. And I don't mean Gavin Ortlund necessarily, though Gavin interlocutor. I mean folks like Kevin Vanhoozer, Leonardo DiChirico, John Webster. I’m saying this as a Catholic but as one who has taken a lot of good things from Protestants, some of the best being those areas where they pose really good questions.
To say that Joseph is afraid to take her as his wife because of not touching her to avoid death or any miserable fortune would happen to him is a little too much. I don't think that Joseph would realized that Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant.
John Macarthur… if I didnt know any better I’d think he was intentionally leading Christians away from the truth of the Gospel with the insane number of contradictions he espouses.
As someone raised Protestant and recently re-evaluating everything I once thought or was taught, I have some questions after watching this video. I understand that it was not necessarily unusual for a young woman to make a pledge of virginity in that time, but I don't understand why both she and Joseph would want to be married in that case? Why would Joseph want to enter a marriage in which he would have no children of his own? I thought one of the primary purposes of marriage was, after glorifying God, to have children. Are there any church writings or any early church fathers who speak to this?
Great talk, Joe! Next topic idea….I’d like to hear your thoughts on all these popular charismatic “demon slayer” preacher dudes who are getting a lot of hype these days. They need to be called out on their false teachings before they lead more people astray!
When I hear good biblical exegesis, really good exegesis, I'm awe struck by the sheer beauty of how it all goes together, my soul is elevated and I feel myself even more in love with God and in awe of the Bible for such stunning beauty. It's like a saw a sunset in Costa Rica or discovered a new law of nature. Thank you! And God bless your amazing ministry!
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all that Protestants wanted to know about Mary but were afraid to ask!
another great episode, Joe.
He is so wrong about their views of sex, it's ridiculous. Nobody in the Jewish culture is or was fine with people going around have having sex to make someone their wife. It was improper and wrong. Having sex during an engagement period was wrong too, even if it happened sometimes. All of this is irrelevant for Jesus was Joseph wasn't his father and people knew that. The entire video is kind of pointless.
@@huntsman528 "Nobody in the Jewish culture is or was fine with people going around have having sex to make someone their wife."
what is your evidence for this?
"It was improper and wrong."
I know you think that they did, but *why should I believe that?*
"All of this is irrelevant for Jesus was Joseph wasn't his father and people knew that. "
then why was he allowed in the temple genius?
@@huntsman528 "All of this is irrelevant for Jesus was Joseph wasn't his father and people knew that."
Also see Matthew 13:55, Luke 4:22, and John 6:42.
As a protestant thank you so much for this teaching. The fact that Jesus was not socially a bastard because He was allowed into the temple is huge. It further shows that God did not want to allow any hint of doubt to the Rabbi scholars of Jesus' divinity.
The proper Jewish legal definition of a bastard is this and only this; that the child be born to a woman married to a man who is not the father. The child of a single woman who fornicates even with a married man is not a bastard.
This was amazing. I’m not even halfway in and I’ve learned so much. So much reference to Jewish traditions and laws that it makes nothing but total complete 100% sense.
At Lourdes, our Blessed Mother revealed to St Bernadette: "II am the Immaculate Conception "
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Satanic. The LORD rebuke you. Blessings in FOLLOWING CHRIST.
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@@francisleong6412how does that reference her being married or not?
My favorite new podcast/show this year. Can't wait to see what next year brings. Keep up the good work!
Just discovered it this month.
This podcast is fantastic
THANK YOU Joe for this awesome descriptive teaching talent you have for the Glory of God and his One Holy Catholic and Apostlic Church .
This video had a lot more clips from other sources which made the contrast and the presentation a lot more engaging. Please keep that up!
Love all your content, keep it up Joe!
That's good feedback, thanks! These kinds are a lot more work to make, so I am happy to hear that it's worth it.
This video is gold. Love it❤️❤️❤️
Joe, you had me in tears, what a beautiful talk!
I'm so happy to hear that!
Your explanation is pretty profound, even for a Catholic who missed some of these important details. It certainly paints a clearer picture with the description of the Jewish marriage process.
Merry Christ Mass Joe love you and keep up the lords work. ❤
That was fantastic Joe. Thank you. You and your friends, colleagues, fellow apologists -Jimmy, Tim, Trent, Carlo- are (like Tina Turner sings) simply THE BEST. Really. And what makes Catholic Answers apologists the best is CHARITY. It comes across each and every time you guys engage people to defend the faith. You NEVER insult someone, put someone down, accuse someone, beat them up for misunderstanding, dismiss people as "people like you", or get angry with a person who merely doesn't understand clearly and has an opinion. THAT is a treasure, and you guys are great. We are blessed in you and your teammates. Merry Christmas!!
Thank you, God bless you and Merry Christmas!
@@shamelesspoperyMary was married and she slept with JOSEPH after the birth of Jesus. Y’all believe anything
With the exception of Gavin Ortlund, I see a lot more charity consistently on the part of Catholics than I do Protestants (and I am a born-and-raised Protestant).
Matthew 1:22-23 makes reference to Isaiah 7:14 Newer versions of the bible have the same quote (whether Catholic or Protestant) but my Challenor Rheims bible from over 55 years ago based on the Douray Rheims says ..." and a virgin shall be with child (????)...." This version says it all as in newer versions it says "a virgin shall conceive and bear a son", which is acceptable of any new married woman in a conjugal relationship with her husband. A woman/virgin can conceive in a relationship and then bear a child, but then she is no longer a virgin...a virgin cannot be "with child" as she is still a virgin. This is the miracle of the Incarnation . This bible version and verse has always cemented my belief in Mary's perpetual virginity.
PERPETUAL??????????????? oh ok but that's insane! Yea sure Joseph stayed married to her for her PERPETUAL virginity!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL
@@CapeCodTrueCrimeChannel There are many christain heros that married and remained virgins , they worked together helping the poor, and to avoid gossip, they married
What you imply is blaspheme and it is not a joke.
Jesus to Sister Lucy of Fatima fame talked about the 5 Common Blasphemes in 1930 with private revelation to Sister Lucy.
Quote from JESUS "
What are the 5 blaphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
GIVEN to Sister Lucy in private revelation, May 29 or 30, 1930):
1) Blasphemies against the Immaculate Conception.
2) Blasphemies against Her perpetual Virginity.
3) Blasphemies against Her Divine Maternity, in refusing at the same time to recognize Her as the Mother of men.
4) The blasphemies of those who publicly seek to sow in the hearts of children indifference or scorn, or even hatred of this Immaculate Mother.
5) The offences of those who outrage Her directly in Her holy images.
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JESUS again...
"Here, my daughter, is the reason why the Immaculate Heart of Mary [My Mother] causes Me to ask for this little act of reparation and due to it move My mercy to forgive those souls who had the misfortune of offending her. As for you, try without ceasing, with all your prayers and sacrifices, to move Me into mercifulness toward those poor souls."
So ... change your ways... study this video, learn from it...
Renounce Satan!!!
Renounce Satan!!!
Renounce Satan!!!
@@richardcastro1276 idolatry and chanting… BOTH SINS!
@@richardcastro1276 oh that’s biblical??? CHRISTIANS FOLLOW THE BOOKS OF THE HOLY BIBLE! Not random books added by religions!
This is an awesome teaching. Thank you so much Joe, and Merry Christmas!
Thanks! God bless and Merry Christmas!
Joe, you're a blessing. Thank you, and God bless 🙏
Thank you for explaining all of this! As a cradle catholic, it’s easy for me to take this all for granted.
Thank you for this teaching. Thanks be to God.
you are good, like Trent Horn. i think i have to binge watch your videos. you have 100+ already. i bought 2 of your books. i'm not so intelligent so it was not easy for me to understand but people like you made me love our faith more and more each day ❤✝️🙏
Mr. Joe, you are so amazing and I get goosebumps every time I listen to your podcast!
This was so edifying.
Thanks Joe
Merry Christmas
Amazing perspective of the story! Surely has opened my mind of what I believed previously!🎉
I believe in Greek there’s something called the “conditional clause” which as you explained, denotes time and not a final outcome. “Stay in your room until your father gets home” but we don’t know if the child was told to remain in their room even after their father got home. This was a fantastic video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
It’s so interesting to hear all the history of the times! And also so important to know that history in order to really understand what the Bible is actually saying. It’s not just a bunch of random verses you can pick and choose to mean what you want. Thank you and bless you for this podcast!
I wish the title were a little different and Joe even shows the Catholic nun getting it wrong. And thank you for revealing how we are married to Jesus but we don't yet live with him and have yet to celebrate the marriage feast!
The marriage supper of the lamb already took place.
One of the best videos I’ve seen. Thank you!
Brilliant 👌
I find your talks so illuminating, I'm sure they will be quite influential for me while on my journey into the deaconate.
Numbers 30 talks about a bride to be taking a vow, and if the husband doesn't object, the vow shall stand...
Wow! Thank you for this, Joe! Very helpful!
Every year there are people like this who think its their mission to go online and destroy your Christmas. Ignore it and have a beautiful blessed Christmas.
Thank you. I had questions about Mary’s desire for virginity and why she would agree to marry if she was planning to remain virgin. This helped me understand better how and why when explained in the old Jewish tradition. It also gave me a new love for St. Joseph.
We all seem to forget that there have always been people who consecrate themselves to God and make bows of chastity. John the Baptist is one.
It’s good to hear someone explain it like he did.
Awesome video and explanation. I now have to Binge watch all your videos ahahah
Welll done, brother!
This is so beautiful. Thank you.
Thank you for this explanation! This helps me understand concretely what seems ambiguous in our 21st century lens of the scriptures. Can you recommend any books on the Catholic vs Orthodox authority, what excactly is the magisterium and the filioque question? I know its a dense issue, but I'm willing to put in the work. May Mary keep you, sir! (Oh boy, what controversy will my salutation bring in the comments?) GOD BLESS YOU.
Thank you Joe! It’s videos like this that remind me why I remain a Catholic Christian!
AMEN!!!
28:30 I’m glad someone finally verbalized how weird and twisted anti-Catholic rants during Protestant sermons are lmao
They can't help but slander Christ's church
@@IsaiahINRIeverytime I hear protestants diminishing Mary I always think of genesis 3:15; revelation 12:13, 17;
Who is going after the Woman and her offspring?
EX-CATHOLIC HERE.December 25 is the birth of Constantine's favourite demon Sun god.POPE would obey his master Constantine to worship the demon god through Sabbath-Sun day,Eurachrist etc.
Holy spirit told me the Pergamum church of Book of Revelation falls between 313 AD to 600 AD. Revelation 2:13(I know where you live-where Satan has his throne.)Antipas also had matryed under the Roman Emporer Nero.Pergamum was in Rome when JOhn wrote Book of Revelation.Hence, ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH was built on Throne of Satan.
This the reason Vatican church looks like an India cobra snake from top.And peter square shape is like hindu god shiva linga.Moreover,POPE sits at Auditorium PAUL VI- looks like a deadly Python Snake from inside and out.
@ the holy spirit told you nothing and be careful what you say because you are taking the name of God in vain.
Also, 25th December is the day of the feast of dedication which is in Maccabees, which is the same feast Jesus celebrated in the winter, and that jews nowadays called hannukah. So...
@@francescoaccomando7781 Do you read counterfeit Catholic Bible The Catechism???
Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to his words,or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Deuteronomy 12:32
See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it or subtract from it.
Deuteronomy 4:2
You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you.
These scripture says not to change His words.Yet Catholic church made a new bible to justify their false teachings.
Such a great show. Thanks, Joe. Merry Christmas.
Very enlightening. Thank you!
You pointed this distinction out in an earlier video and it breaks Jesus' Johannine farewell discourse wide open. So glad to return to the topic here more fully.
Mind blowing, thank you. This makes so much sense, as a cradle Catholic I'm still learning so much new
You started blessing gay couples yet? Lol
@jwatson181: The Catholic Church cannot bless same-sex unions. You actually believe the fake news media?
@@jwatson181typical Protty vomit. Stick with the topic.
Oops, my bad - with u and ur faith tradition's shallowness, ignorance, and illogicalness don't expect much intellect and reason on you're part.
@@jwatson181as well as tax collectors and prostitutes
That's understandable. Thousands of years of history need dedicated study we simply can't acquire it!
The subtitle is misleading. The nun is clearly Catholic and not Protestant. The rest of the video is very well done. As a Protestant, I have been taught they were legally married not engaged. My pastors were well taught and explained the two steps of Jewish matrimony similar to this video.
I don't mean this in any way other than pure curiosity, but did they also teach the perpetual virginity?
I'd never heard any of this in my Protestant background until I watched Joe's episode titled Was Mary a Perpetual Virgin?
Thank you so much for this material. I'll be looking more into your vids, too, because you explain very interesting things.
We often say Mary is the "new" Ark of the Covenant, but I think it's more appropriate to say the Ark of the Covenant was a prophetic sign of Mary
We, also, say Jesus and Mary are the new Adam & Eve so Mary as the new Ark of the Covenant is appropriate.
As all of the temple instruments, the tent of meeting and the ark were based off of the heavenly realities so is Mary, the perfect NT fulfillment of the oT ark based on a better covenant.
Trent Horn makes a great point about this. If you look in the OT, it's very clear what happens to those who wrongfully touch the Ark of the Covenant. Even if they are good, they only know destruction for touching that which is God's. It stands to reason that the New Ark of the New Covenant shall also be undefiled.
@@LydiaBee13exactly. Just ask the Nazis who tried to steal the Ark in the movie, what happens.
@@jeffscully50613 perfect example 👌🤣
Thank you!!!
I’m sure this is also the case in other cultures and languages. I hear a lot that during Jesus’s time they didn’t have as many distinctions for family relations. The same English translation issue arises whether family distinctions are less, or more complex. As a specific example, in Polish the term Kuzyn (Cousin) is used for second cousin; but can also be used for first cousin. The term for first cousin is “Brat/Siostra Cioteczny/a” or “Brat/Siostra Wujeczny/a”meaning Brother/Sister on the Aunt-Side or Uncle-Side. It actually gets more complicated because for some reason there are different words for Uncle on mother’s side vs Uncle on father’s side (but in practice people usually use Wujek and not Stryjek for uncle).
Anyway, in real-life people talk about their Brat or Siostra (especially in the case of someone who is an only-child) and only add “on the uncles/aunts-side” when it is strictly necessary for the conversation. I’ve literally had this conversation with an acquaintance who is an only child:
Her: “… my brother is taking music lessons.”
Me: “Wait, I thought you didn’t have siblings.”
Her: “Oh yeah, my brother-on-my-aunt’s-side.”
As a Vietnamese, it's very easy for us to understand this. We use the same words to denote siblings and cousins of the same ranks. For example: "anh" is older brother or a male cousin from your parents older siblings or "em" , a younger sibling or cousin from your parents younger siblings.
There are six basic patterns of kinship in the world's languages. This Wikipedia article is very interesting if you've never heard of it before. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinship_terminology
English follows what's called Eskimo kinship.
that part about uncles from different sides....all Indo-Aryan/ Sanskrit descended languages have that trait too 😇 like the word for uncle us different based on whether it's your mother's brother or your father's.
EVEN the designation for grandmother and grandfather is distinct based on if it's the parent of your mother vs of the father...
fascinating ❤️🔥
Excellent video!
Great episode Joe!
Just fantastic stuff as always, Joe.
Really appreciate this video..
Joseph as a God fearing 1st century Jew would never dare to touch the ark of the covenant which in ancient times was kept in the Holy of Holies in the temple that only the High Priest has access to. Now after being informed that Mary is the ark of the new covenant AND has also became the spouse of the Holy Spirit, he will definitely be in awe/fear of the impending relationship as he knows any misstep can lead to his death. Only Protestants can think that Joseph will insist on his marital rights as if that is more important than raising baby God under his roof. I just can't imagine the fear, anxiety, responsibility, and honor that Joseph must have felt. I am living with God in the flesh in my house as well as a living ark of the covenant. Don't tell me that Joseph is clueless as to the identities and ramifications of the baby/mother pair.
thank you Joe for this channel, those episodes help me to know more and clearer about the Truths of the Faith
Thank You, your 56 min talk took me about 2 1/2 hours to get thru - and will take much longer to absorb - Very Insightful.
Brilliant explanation thank you
Thanks for your insightful commentary. I'm embarrassed to admit that my own understanding was a bit shallow on the subject. I myself had believed that they were engaged but not yet married, though I knew that they had different customs back then. For example, it was not unusual for a young girl to be married to an older man (often arranged to settle disputes or unite clans), however they would not live together or have marital relations until she was older and consented to move in with him.
Excellent presentation. Thank you.
This was amazing. I’m not even halfway in and I’ve learned so much. So much reference to Jewish traditions and laws that it makes nothing but total complete 100% sense.
Great episode, you really dug deep. May God have mercy on all who unknowingly blaspheme the Mother of God. Every offense against the Virgin Mary is an offense against the Lord.
You are so wrong. Only God deserves worship...basic Bible.
God deserves worship, and thus the things of God deserve respect. We ought to treat the Arc of the Covenant as holy and set aside for God. Because it is the primary instrument of God in the Old Covenant. We ought to treat Mary as holy and set aside for similar reasons.
@@susanburrows810 nobody said honoring the Mother of God means worshipping her.
But to blaspheme against the spiritual truths about her is in fact dishonoring God so it's important to understand those truths
Silly ignorant entity, Catholics doesn't worship Mary😅
@@susanburrows810We don't worship Mary. She isn't a goddess or anything. We venerate her, some to a higher degree - some of us less so. I identify in the latter category and do not generally take my prayers to her, but nor do I condemn my brethren who choose to.
I admire Mary immensely, but I don't pray to her except in rare instances involving female health concerns, because I know she was a human woman and gets what I'm going through ❤️🔥✝️
peace 🕊️
This is brilliant
I just had an argument about this with a couple close Protestant friends of mine, and they argued that Mary and Joseph were not married at the Annunciation. I actually didn’t know any of this so I conceded. This is incredibly helpful.
So beautiful! Our Lord and Savior is so incredible. Thank you for putting all of this together.
I’m a Protestant (although converting to Orthodoxy) and have previously heard this argument. This is one of the best ways I’ve seen the whole idea laid out Joe did a great job here. Couple of things Joe left out that were impactful for me is that all the major reformers: Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, all believed in perpetual virginity and the idea Mary had children with Joseph wasn’t popular until more like 18th and 19th centuries. So to sum up Protestants are totally wrong about Mary’s Virginity and are just plain reading the text incorrectly. I really thought about what would happen in heaven when I see Mary next to the Lord and realized all this Mary hate has a Protestant is entirely inappropriate
I find it very interesting how many super popular ideas in american protestantism are from the middle of the industrial revolution.
As a convert from Prot to Cath, I have thought about the way Prots talk/think about celibacy - they seem to despise it??! Even old women (like my mother) despise it. It's almost like an anathema. I hypothesize that this is due to Luther's rejection of celibacy and his taking a nun as a wife (apparently living a more fulfilled life). Could it be that Luther's "thorn in the flesh" was his sexual desires, could it be the driving force behind his "reformation" (Faith Alone)??
I too struggle to accept celibacy (for myself), but at least I can see that this is biblical and a proper way to honor God. Prots don't seem to see this anymore. Why? It is related to their rejection of the Catholic faith - it is their "protest".
How dare you say " Mary hate." THAT is a lie. We think Mary was a wonderful human who humbly accepted her servanthood. As fully and only human, she was sinful & needed forgiveness & salvation, & does not have a place in heaven next to God, no matter how many "Catholic prayers" say she forgives others & is co-responsible for the salvation that only JESUS AS GOD OFFERS. It's blasphemous to say Mary is in any way divine...God is a jealous God & does NOT share worship due Him. A Biblical Christian understands this.
You are stupid or blind and dishonest in your heart.no Chatolic ever belived that Mother Mary is Devine or that she forgives our sinn's.she is Mother of Lord Jesus who is thruly Man and thruly God so she is Mother of God the Son,not God the Father or God the Spirit,she is one who sead will crush the head of the sneake and she is in heaven like Abraham and Jackob and our God is God of living not the God of the dead.in front of God s tron in heaven are prayers of the saints(Revelations)
@@susanburrows810 No Catholic or Orthodox Christian claims Mary to be divine. No Catholic or Orthodox Christian worships Mary.
❤ This podcast should be mandatory for every protestant to listen to and realize the truth!! Way to go Joe!! ❤
what your beef with protestant's ?
@@matthewashman1406 It doesn't sound like a beef...
One wants those he/she LOVES to share in the benefits of the truth.
We leave people to their own devices when we don't care about them, or lack the courage to speak up when we think they are in danger or missing out on something good and important.
He literally showed a video of a Catholic who had this misunderstanding. My protestant children understand that Mary was married to Joseph. Seriously, this isn't a "Protestant" issue.
@@huntsman528do you or your children understand that Mary remained a virgin her entire life?
@markmitchell402 I understand that the perpetual virginity of Mary is found nowhere in scripture. I understand that Catholics use invalid gnostic books such as the false Gospel of James.
According to Catholic Podcasters, Mary and Joseph weren't really married as they never consumed their marriage (at least according to them, the Bible disagrees). Their "marriage", if you could call that could just be dismissed. This is how they describe people who get married and only ever use contraceptives. They aren't really married.
Why I'd teach my kids "biblical facts" that are not found in the Bible is beyond me.
I maybe thought this when I was in elementary school but I was quickly dispossessed of this notion when we learned the actual meaning of betrothed
Ironic that McArthur gives that explanation of Joseph's fear. Very Catholic sounding! My very Baptist mother-in-law told me spontaneously that her Sunday school class, in their lesson one Sunday, it included a meditation on the mother of Mary, and how holy she must have been to raise such a girl as Mary who would be mother of the messiah. I thought to myself (but didn't say it), "How VERY Catholic!" I did tell her that we know her name, Saint Anne.
Hi,Tim.
My guess is that your very Baptist mother-in-law is working hard to foster harmonious family relations, as, I gather, are you. This is praiseworthy, and carries promise for future blessings if you all persevere. God bless you.
The Mystical City of God by Ven Mary of Agreda is a must-read on this.
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my lol great comparison. He is an extreme anti-Catholic and I've heard him say blatant lies about Mary and church in general.
@timrichardson4018, what if Roman Catholics were being very Baptist? What if they are just being very christian. I do not hear people say things which are common ground with most of christianity and think how very The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of them. I am confused by you doing that.
A wonderful explanation of why we believe what we believe. This is why we must be careful trying to understand scripture with a single verse. There are so many references to other verses that make the whole thing clear, as well as knowledge of how things were understood differently thousands of years ago.
this is a brilliant testimony .Took my breath away. Thank you!. thank! thank you! I was aware that Mary was the ark of they new covenant and that you were not allowed to touch the first ark but i never put it together like Joel did. it is like a gift from the Holy Spirit to contemplate this reality in the way Joel presented. I now nave an even deeper connection to Mother Mary
Excellent presentation.....i hope a lot of protestants were watching ......protestsnts need to understand about TRADITION and what s big role it plays in the bible .
Well done on a smart presentstion .
As if "protestants" didn't know this. 🙄
@@andrevisser7542 yes a lot of them are not told about the history of the church deliberately....because protestant pastors would lose them as tithes .... everything about the Protestant movement is tithes .....even though tithing was removed with the new testament .....protestants don't even know that :
Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant.
Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests (1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest (Heb. 7).
The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the old covenant.
Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation-to Jews who lived in the land of promise. With the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation is no longer the locus of God’s people, though individual Jews are part of
Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament.
When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43-47; 4:32-37; 11:27-30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1-4; 2 Cor. 8:1-9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1-4-a passage often cited in popular circles in support-doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem.
Protestantism is all about money ........ASK ANY EX PROTESTANT.
@@andrevisser7542 yes protestants are deliberately not told about the history of the church ......because if they did ....pastors would lose their tithes when protestants become catholic .
Protestants don't even know that tithing went out with the New Testament:
Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant.
Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests (1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest (Heb. 7).
The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the old covenant.
Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation-to Jews who lived in the land of promise. With the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation is no longer the locus of God’s people, though individual Jews are part of
Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament.
When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43-47; 4:32-37; 11:27-30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1-4; 2 Cor. 8:1-9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1-4-a passage often cited in popular circles in support-doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem.
Protestantism is all about the money
Ask any ex protestant.
This is amazing! Thank you so much.
It's bizarre. Protestants think they will gain traction with their followers by debasing and degrading Mary but they fail to take into account what Christ himself will think of this trashing of his mother. Also, they do the same thing to St. Peter; nominally the most important apostle (at least to Christ) and personally selected by Christ as the Rock upon which he built His church. What are they thinking?
Wow! I never thought about it before, but Joseph "putting her away quietly" to spare her reputation only makes sense if they were already married. If they were merely engaged, breaking it off would guarantee her apparent adultery would be made known. So putting her away would be the worst thing he could do if sparing her scandal was his intent. But divorcing her for adultery but doing so quietly (i.e. Not saying why) would leave the impression the baby was legitimate but he just decided not to stay married to her for some other reason, because in Jewish law a man could divorce his wife for practically any reason.
Yeah can't divorce someone you aren't married too
@timrichardson4018, I'm happy for you to have realized something I realized 40 years ago.
I'm not a Protestant. Protestants realize that, too. The title of this video is a false accusation.
What John MacArthur said is exactly WHY we have the first five Saturdays devotion. because what he said was Blasphemy.
Yes the five sins and blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
This was an incredible explanation of the relationship between Mary and Joesph, and I think even many Catholics get this wrong. In a TMIY program at my Parish Steve Bollman said Joesphs reason for divorce was to protect Mary from stoning since she would look unfaithful to him, and it would put the guilt on him as being a "Walkaway Joe". I will definitely study this more!
@Shamelesspopery @Joe Heschmeyer thank you for this very detailed explanation it is so very much needed and appreciated. Thank you your brother Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
I got set free from hearing this.❤. Thankyou!!
This all goes back to how people need to be reminded that English is a Christian language. So many words are literally informed by the fact that the people who spoke were Christmas. Goodbye and the etymology of priest comes to mind.
I wouldn't say that English is a Christian language, per se. It's rather a language which has been deeply influenced by Christianity.
There are still many vestiges of the Germanic paganism which English speakers practiced. Think of the names of the days of the week.
And really, English is a Protestant language. 50 years prior to the English Reformation you have Middle English texts like Le'Morte D'Arthur, which the average English language speaker would have a devil of a time reading today. Modern English has developed almost entirely post-reformation and almost entirely in countries where the Reformation influence was unusually prominent (Ireland being a notable exception, of course).
Every time I hear John McArthur start talking I know that it's safe to believe the opposite of 90% of what comes out of his mouth.
Edit: as some have correctly noted, it is probably higher than 90%. Haha
You do not know what espoused means?
No wonder you do not know God or the salvation he offers!
You still do not know what,
"The wages of sin is death" means?
We are all sinners and by God's law we all deserve death and are looking for it's judgment.
You have yet to understand what,
"If ye will enter my rest" means?
You cannot buy or work your way off of death row but God has a plan to save you but your to hubris to find and understand it and therefore you only have the second death to look forward to unless you find and understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 1:20 KJV ...for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
@manny75586 I very much agree
100% @@CorEtLumenChristi86
@@richardjackson7887What are you ranting about?
That’s hilarious…and probably true
Great timing on hearing this. I had just started to wonder why Mary would say "How can this be?" when told she would have a child. If she was betrothed she would expect to have relations with her husband and therefore a child. It does make sense if she had committed to a life of chastity and Joseph had agreed to take her into his house with that understanding.
@spamdump4459, I disagree with you use of the term, "life of chastity" because sex between a husband and wife is chaste. You meant, "life of celibacy". I look at that those facts about Mary and see proof that they did not have sex until step 2 of the marriage ceremony. Most people have sex as soon as they believe it is allowed. Why would Mary and Joseph be different?
Mike Winger had a problem with the song Mary Did you know! He made a video saying he was wrong. Lol
The song is not consistent with Catholic theology.
@@johnflorio3576does the church say it’s a mortal or venial sin to listen to it?
@@Wgaither1has the FULL TRUTH of Catholicism ever been revealed to you, but u still reject it?
@@essafats5728isn’t that a oxymoron
@@Wgaither1 thank God you are oxymoronic. just answer the question with a simple yes or no.
Thank you so much! I love how you are so calm, clear and biblical. Very easy to follow. 28/12/2023
Thank you Joe, appreciate you sharing your knowledge on all things Catholic. Great job.
This is not something "Protestants" get wrong. I think a lot of Catholics are wrong about this too. I am a recent convert to Catholicism, partially helped by your book Pope Peter, but I always understood Mary as having been wed but in that betrothal-esqe stage of an old Jewish custom that may have lasted a year before a sexual marriage.
Hi, Ethan.
It's good that you as a Protestant had such appreciation as you did. Nonetheless, there's a distinction to be drawn, and it makes all the difference. The understanding that you describe makes sexual relations before the second stage morally objectionable, whereas the second stage in ancient Jewish weddings carried no assumption of continence prior to the second stage. The Jewish second stage would simply have been transfer of residence and authority structure. The implication is that both parts of Isaiah's prophesy are striking and unexpected, with the resulting compounding of the unlikelihood of fulfilment in other than the Messiah.
Pope Peter is great read
@shamelesspopery, Do you think the two-stage marriage hints at the Assumption? Mary's fiat could be seen, in a sense, as her consent to a spiritual "marriage," and then her Assumption could be seen as the second stage of the marriage, where her spiritual "spouse" takes her to be with Him. I'm also reminded of Revelation, where the woman clothed with the sun flees to the wilderness where a place "had been prepared for her," perhaps another allusion to the second stage of the marriage ceremony.
27:10 something more telling than the _until_ is the unbiblical assumption that having relations= having children. The parents of John the Baptist not only had relations their whole married life but were blessed with a _first born son_ only at the eve of their lives. Having children is not a _right_ but a blessing. First born son is not a number but a title.
As to the many children of Mary... where is the list? The Bible doesn't scrimp here listing children is the hobby of the Bible. It lists Mary and Clopas children (why!) but never list Mary and Josephs except for listing Jesus.
Mark 6 v 3 and Matthew 13 v 55 which granted could be Joseph's son's from previous marriage or cousins (as explained in the video) but they wouldn't necessarily mention Mary in a list of Joseph's children or Jesus brothers as few lists in the Bible mention the wives names
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I think Mary would qualify for this exception.
Thank you very much for the time and energy you took to deliver to us such a delightful and insightful truth of Holy Mary's perpetual virginity and faithfulness.
One of the best, clearest explanations surrounding the incarnation that I’ve heard.
Thank you! God bless and Merry Christmas!
Steven, great conversation, thank you. I was astounded when you injected that the scope of the universe made you feel humanity as being inconsequential.
O' contraire. The very structure of our genetic coding, all life's coding, on this most unique and specialized planet, should direct your consciousness toward how uniquely special we are; hence, if the 'God' you choose to denounce (yet are quite willing to profane His name- the 3rd of 10 basic rules passed throughout the ages as guardrails to ensure life satisfaction/happiness) were to create a life-being with the propensity for love & rational thought, how big would we have to be to qualify?
Unfortunately, your title misrepresents some Protestants, limiting sharing. If title said "many Protestants", it would be much better. @shamelesspopery Wonderful analysis video.
I would think that all protestants know that they are all divided!
I don't know where the unwed part came from. It was explicitly stated that Jesus is a descendant of David through Joseph. It just means that God already recognized the union of Mary and Joseph before the conception.
Please do a video on the immaculate conception, explaining some of its Biblical and historical origins. It's a big talking point, even amongst Catholics.
Awesome, Joe!
Even some priests would phrase it as "unwed mother". 🤦♀️ God help us
It’s a misunderstanding of Jewish marriage, is why some priests may say that
interesting paradigm about St Joseph's reaction ❤️🔥✝️
2 Samuel 6:2 ➡️ Luke 1:39-40
2 Samuel 6:9 ➡️ Luke 1:43
2 Samuel 6:11 ➡️ Luke 1:55
2 Samuel 6:16 ➡️ Luke 1:41-42
Nicely done!
A question I have is...Did Jews around 2 BC think that Is7:14 was a Messianic prophesy that would have a 2nd fulfillment. Or was it more of an 'Easter Egg' prophesy that becomes recognizable in retrospect.
I had an advisor in grad school tell me once that any research project is defined by its foils. I think that applies to this venue as well and I think Joe could do better than respond to these folks. I know they are popular but I also suspect they don’t reflect the best in historic Protestant theology. Maybe that doesn't drive up the subscriber numbers (since rebutting inflamatory caricatures from folks like McArthur is going to get more views than rutting a more sophisticated, nuanced theologian) but I think the depth and insight we could get from Joe (and Trent and others) would be even better if the foils they chose were more serious. And I don't mean Gavin Ortlund necessarily, though Gavin interlocutor. I mean folks like Kevin Vanhoozer, Leonardo DiChirico, John Webster. I’m saying this as a Catholic but as one who has taken a lot of good things from Protestants, some of the best being those areas where they pose really good questions.
To say that Joseph is afraid to take her as his wife because of not touching her to avoid death or any miserable fortune would happen to him is a little too much. I don't think that Joseph would realized that Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant.
John Macarthur… if I didnt know any better I’d think he was intentionally leading Christians away from the truth of the Gospel with the insane number of contradictions he espouses.
Name one
I just read an encyclical of Pope Leo X111 and I read one of the canons of the council of Trent, and what did I find, a contradiction.
@@Wgaither1 I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest the problem may be in your interpretation.
@@Wgaither1 watch the video.
@@JosephHeschmeyerhave you read every encyclical by every pope and the whole council of Trent to see if there are any?
As someone raised Protestant and recently re-evaluating everything I once thought or was taught, I have some questions after watching this video. I understand that it was not necessarily unusual for a young woman to make a pledge of virginity in that time, but I don't understand why both she and Joseph would want to be married in that case? Why would Joseph want to enter a marriage in which he would have no children of his own? I thought one of the primary purposes of marriage was, after glorifying God, to have children. Are there any church writings or any early church fathers who speak to this?
"The Catholic system." LOL. Evangelical beliefs are so whacky.
Great talk, Joe! Next topic idea….I’d like to hear your thoughts on all these popular charismatic “demon slayer” preacher dudes who are getting a lot of hype these days. They need to be called out on their false teachings before they lead more people astray!
The blessed Virgin Mary with betrothed Joseph and she was spouse of the Holy spirit !!
Where did you get the nativity scene for your thumbnail? I really like it