Exactly because if you say Luka #s are more impressive than Brons at the same age Bron groupies will bring up him "dragging" Cavs to Finals just to get swept in 07. Tht why can't take Bron occultists seriously because their narratives are never consistent
@@tdup191he didnt even drag the cavs they dragged him!!Lebron was 3/11 game 6 eastern conference finals and his awful team still won to make finals!!20 years later they say he dragged the team going 3/11 lmao!!
People forget that without Kyrie Irving doing that MJ and Allen Iverson had a baby impression for the Cavs during the 2016 finals, LeBra would have at least one less ring. Just look at all the playoff games where James was basically a no-show, in his prime even. Look back at those Bulls championship runs and most if not all the games that the Bulls lost, MJ was still the fiercest competitor on the court. He simply never mastered the art of being mediocre the way James did.
Lebron hasn't caught Kobe. Look, this Lebron caught MJ debate is the stupidest argument ever. Lebron doesn't even compare to 88 MJ so HOW, literally HOOOOOOW, is this a discussion?
exactly. Lakers (with Kobe & Fisher) could’ve duplicated that in 2011 if they haven’t lost to Mavs, which was the eventual champs by beating the Heat. but we all know if Lakers and Heat met that year, KB & Fish could’ve won their 6th
Every great has done that even mj if someone plays great on both sides of the ball they are not going to play 100% on defense and offense Kobe is by far my favorite player ever but it is times when you didn’t always play defense and offense everyone takes breaks on the court and plus lbj is 39 years old
@@ryanr20091Lol debate is only over to simpletons. This has been explained over and over but the slow can’t understand. Jordan has the best COMBINATION of winning, accolades stats and offensive/defensive dominance. Bill has the winning and defense but not the offensive dominance. He also had a ton of hall of famers on his team. I know even you get this but you’ll pretend you don’t as all people who argue in bad faith do.
I've never understood the "more athletic" argument. How exactly is lebron more athletic than Jordan? He certainly doesn't look like it when we're watching him
Truth! Jordan had a much quicker first step, jumped higher, and had way better hands than LeBron. Nobody ever said "LeBron seems to "hang in the air". LeBron probably bench presses more the MJ, but that's about it.
@@labynoe Exactly He Prob does But What's it Worth when All Lebron does is Cry and Flop A Grown As..s Man Crying "ah Ref" Each time he is even slightly touched is Embarrassing
@@housesavagemafia7504 "Ref the guy clearly fouled me!" As the other team is playing 4v5 because LeBron is crying like a bitch again and not getting back on defense
Media and refs built them those empires, both players were the face of their respective leagues for a global marketing campaign to make the sports international, of course they are great but they were pushed to win more ships because that was good business for everyone.
Mahomes plays in the AFC who has the best QBs in the NFL right now. This season, he beat statically the best QBs in the NFL. Tua in the Wild card Josh Allen in the Divisional round 2-time MVP Lamar Jackson in the AFC championship game Brock Purdy in the Super bowl Those are all Pro bowl QBs
Be careful- part of the reason the league go softer is because of the "Tom Brady rule" that prevented pocket QB's from being hit anywhere. Tom Brady would've have lasted to 45 if the league didn't protect him after the ACL tear.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl And the colts, manning rule that prompted less aggressive play from defensive backs on receivers. Nevertheless, all qbs have benefited from the Brady rule including mahomes.
Mahomes at least passes the eye test and is insanely CLUTCH, dude LIVES for the clutch moments. you'd never see Mahomes handing the ball off scared to throw the rock in crunch time
the only reason LeMickey is still in the league is so he has that "longevity" to throw around as an "argument" in the GOAT debate... but real ones know MJ is still the one and only at the top
Exactly. I watched both players from rookie year and on and there is no way anyone can make a valid case of Lebron being better than Jordan. If they both played during the same years then people would be able to see just how dominating Jordan was compared to Lebron. Today's kids and those who never witnessed Jordan argue that Lebron is better because he is all they got to see. If you didn't witness both then stfu and stay quiet.
How can shannon spout off longevity, when lebron has only played all 82 games once in his career and load manages? Of course when you don't play as many full seasons and you load manage, you're likely to play longer. He's also not playing any defense.
Bingo!!! And it's costing his teammates and the league big time.... the new culture he started.... no heart, no loyalty, no grit, no fearlessness, just focus on yourself and your stats and make winning second
Why do people pretend that the Mj era competition was as good as Lebrons competition? Mj era was full of junkies, and alcoholics to keep it honest. Mj took advantage of addicts and he knew it. Why you think he was able to play golf and smoke cigars after games? The league was horrible
Montana in this era would've won more because of the rules to protect the QB. That doesn't take anything away from Brady but Montana took a beating getting hit late in the knees against teams like the Bears and Giants of the 80s. Give him the personal fouls for late hits because he was that dude.
What's Shannon on about this longevity stuff? Nobody is calling Vince Carter the GOAT 🐐 premised on his 22 years in the League. Definitely neither so for Robert Parish nor Kevin Willis. Longevity in the era of LOAD MANAGEMENT? Give me a break!
Just for the fact that Jordan never requested for any particular help gives him advantage on the GOAT debate. Among all the acomplishments. All other guys in the Goat debates had more help
Yes, but its very simple... if you analyze the eras and just the player Jordan is better at everything except 3 point shooting and that's debatable. And yes Michael Jordan is a better playmaker. You add the accolades and it's not even close
Thats why I always say that its not just about what you accomplished, but HOW you accomplished it, and nobody has ever done it in better than Jordan. Id put Kobe and Curry right behind him. They stayed with their team and built that team into dynasties. They did it the man’s way, unlike lebitch.
@@TheRealMichaelP Mj fans favorite words are "ifs" and "wouldves" those are hypothetical. Relaity is bad teams made the playoffs by default so it's not wise to make their argument like you did. Lebron lowest win total making playoffs is like 45-46 wins. That's a fact not an if or wouldve
100%, it's why tell the Bron fans Lebron can get 50K points and still no CHIP. It doesn't mean much unless your team is winning. Jordan didn't get the all time scoring title, but won and he was the reason the Bulls won. Jordan was the reason players like Bird, Miller, Magic, Isiah, Barkley or Ewing did not win CHIPS.
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889also you say Lebron improved? In 2007 wrong or right Lebron had antwun jamison ,big z,Larry Hughes and had a top 5 defense lol stop saying nonsense buddy as long with the 2009,2008,2010 Lebron had Shaq,big z,Larry Hughes,Jamison mind you lol all those players we’re in fact all stars in fact the year prior to stein Jamison joining the Cavs he was a all star lol
@@vicepresidentmikepence889lol in 2010 the Cavs were 6th in offense and 7th in defense lol your point is bs lol and he had mo Willam’s,atwun Jamison,big z,Shaq add context lol that’s 4 all stars on one team buddy
LeBron had 4 Rings yall need to stop with that bubble nonsense 😂.. Even though he should only have 2 but Ray Allen & Kyrie saved his legacy He has 4 and that’s incredibly great but NOT enough to pass MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Not enough to pass Kobe, Magic , Bird , Russell on the List. Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, LeBron are all around the same rankings tier Curry & KD follow that tier
Shannon Sharpe's logic basically is that he took a break from basketball because his father was murdered. So that's going to be used against what a damn scummy thing to do. That one statement about him taking a break after his father was murdered is enough to disqualify LeBron from the go conversation forever. This conversation is done I've had my fill of it screw LeBron James and screw Shannon Sharpe
@@ryanr20091dude if I sparred with Tyson, Foreman and Ken Norton for 5years and you only sparred with junior varsity boxers at your local gym for 9rs. Are you really gonna say you had tougher training sessions than me cause of the length of time?
@@ryanr20091 , what did MJ do when he was retired? He played professional baseball. You act like he was just sitting on his couch. And true athlete's know that the longer you're not playing the more rusty you become. The game is always evolving and if you're not playing it's harder to keep up. It's easier to stay on top of your game when you're always playing.
@@ryanr20091 and he accomplished more and more dominantly, nobody's forcing lebron to keep playing but himself. he should honestly quit considering he always "needs help" barely plays any defence and any time he fucks up or performs poorly people cite his age, but then a minute later they'll use that same reason to prop him up double standard dipshits
The facts people use Jordan never going to game seven as to say they he was never challenged and that’s a bad thing. Apparently dominating in a bad thing
Dominating against Craig Ehlo and Hersey Hawkins, Jeff Hornacecks of the world, wow, if only those Bulls played the Durant/Curry Warriors, or the Duncan Spurs, not even the Rockets with Drexler and Olajowan, other story would have been written.
Here is a fun fact, in MJ's 6 championship seasons, he is undefeated in game 7s as you said. He went 2-0. In 6 championship runs Jordan's Bulls only got pushed to a game 7 twice. I think that itself is incredible.
Jus for the record when MJ retired in 93 he wasn't "taking a break"... he busted his ass tryin to get good at baseball, lifting weights and practicing... yall try to make it seem like he retired and was sitting around doin nothin for 18 months... jus resting... he was probably working harder during that 18 months than he would've if he never did retire... so I don't wanna hear this "he took a break" bullshit...
Exactly and LeBron stans always trying to make it seem like Mike was “weak” for retiring. They gloss over the fact that he retired because of his father’s death and it wasn’t that his father just died, he was murdered and left in a ditch. The baseball thing was partially a coping mechanism and the rest a tribute to his father who wanted him to play baseball when he was young. Anybody who can do research knows this.
question: did Jordan deny Shannon an autograph or tickets to a bulls game? (it just makes no sense that Shannon was WINNING SUPER BOWLS AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE BULLS WERE WINNING TITLES for Shannon to ALWAYS be DISRESPECTING M.J. the way he does)
He works for Klutch Sports, a media company that represents multiple NBA players that's owned by James's best friend. Even though it makes sense, Shay is still ridiculous.
Let’s assume that LeBum is on steroids and constantly stacking his team, why isn’t he dominating his era? Even at cheating he sucks at it 😂😂😂 Didn’t Lance Armstrong win a bunch of Tour De France races? Nikola Djokovic right now is utterly dominating Tennis. Michael Phelps was beating swimming records, Usain Bolt was breaking track records and Man City keeps annoyingly winning Premier League titles.
@@housesavagemafia7504 That’s what makes it even funnier. He so bad at cheating with having everything in his favor, imagine how bad his natural skillset is. If you’re gonna cheat, at least try to dominate.
@@gambitacioSo not only are you literally blatantly lying about him being on steroids (there’s no evidence), you’re also blatantly lying about him not dominating. 4 mvps in 5 seasons, top 5 peak of all time, 8 straight finals, is not domination?
I disagree - part of the reason he lasted so long is because of the "Tom Brady rule" which extended his career since he wasn't very mobile. I don't think he lasts that long if the rules weren't changed for him.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl TB12 still won with chips stacked against him or for him (which I don’t think happened much if at all). Lebby can’t even win with the chips stacked for him. Gazillion foul calls a game, still loses.
The Lepropaganda is crazy. An entire generation being brainshwashed into thinking this dude is somehow the goat. Oh well. I have a feeling the next next generations won’t look fondly on lebrons goat case as they’ll have no recency bias or emotional attachment to cloud their judgment. and when they compare, they’ll see one guy that dogs him in the accolades category and was much more successful with the championships.
@@ryanr20091NBA fans logic on Bron: you forfeited your opportunity to be considered the best ever when you quit Cleveland, decided to jump ship to Miami because it was an easier route to win a chip and effectively turned your settings down from all Madden to pro, but yet want everybody to ignore that and compare your accomplishments to individuals who played on All Madden their entire career… yea FOH
@@ryanr20091No one has ever said rings don’t matter. With Jordan fans it’s rings plus everything else, not just rings by itself. LeBron fans on the other hand downplay rings and at the same time overrate Finals appearances
ya cuz MJ was just sitting around lounging when he retired the first time... he wasnt completely changing his body, riding buses across the country, for a grueling schedule on a non-pro baseball team to get a shot at the majors..... shannon dumb and for the life of me i cant figure out how noboyd brings this shit up
My favorite was when they asked if they would take Mahomes vs Brady in a winner takes all game for GOAT, and they all said Mahomes....like Super Bowl 55 didnt exist.
Shannon 'Not So' Sharpe thinks being louder, wins debates. What a dorky clown. Btw, if rings aren't that important. How come teams strive to win it, every season? 🙄
@@Paulafan5 Simple he is above Jordon and that's what you Jordan fans hate is the mailman ended up becoming a better scorer along with kobe karrem and bron
@@ryanr20091 Points per game? You know Jordan averaged 30.7 points per game and that is the best of all time. Being a scorer isn't just the amount of points you score. Average points per game is how you determine a scorer not the amount of points you have in your career. Points don't make you great, winning is even more important and I give props to Kareem because he actually won shit while getting all time career stats. Also, remind me who dogged Malone's ass in the Finals? Surely it wasn't Michael Jordan.. How could an MJ fans hate Malone when that dude couldn't beat the Bulls? Career with only great stats and absolutely nothing to show for it.
@@saberix69 your guy is second to malone in all time scoring meaning that even in the 90s your guy is not the scoring goat like you guys wanted him to be lol. totals are what matter in the end my friend and what history remembers. either you are the greatest scorer of all time or not. Malone happens to be above him because he lasted longer. I cant make this up
@@ryanr20091 Scoring many points is nothing if it doesn't win you the scoring title. I don't know how many scoring titles Malone won but I am adamant that they are less than the 10 that MJ collected. If scoring more points made one a better player, even Carmelo Anthony would be regarded as a greater player than Tim Duncan.
The only point of contention I have with your video is that, historically, it would be correct to say that Jordan retired after the first 3-peat following not his father's death or passing, but his murder. Mike wanted the last game his father was alive to see, to be his last game played. We all understood why he retired at the time.
And just to add to that, MJ said at the beginning of the season if he were to do something that Magic and Bird hadn’t or couldn’t do which is win his 3rd chip in a row, he’d consider retirement
Those total stats arguments are nauseating. I don't ever recall a coach game planning for a players totals. It was about what your averaging because that speaks to game to game dominance.
MJ with 30.7 per game in his career so you knew who was the guy every night. But even without knowing that everyone just by watching Michael Jordan knew he was "that guy" nearly every game he played.
Rings don't matter? That's how you know LeBron fans have become utterly desperate. The thing EVERY player trains for, diets for, travels for, bleeds and sweats for...means nothing. Should they mean everything? No. But to say rings are meaningless not only cheapens the value and the struggle to get them it contradicts LeBrons decisions throughout his career. How many of his decisions from leaving Cleveland to begging the Lakers to trade half the roster for AD were motivated in the pursuit of those "meaningless" rings? Shannon as a professional athlete just insinuated rings are meaningless. Not a fan. Not a news pundit. Not a analyst or agent. A effing HOF professional athlete. Dude will sell his damn soul in his quest to simp for LeBron. It's actually disgusting. Even more so when he had that debate with Tony Gonzalez years ago who's stats lap Shannons and his argument over Tony was literally I got rings.
I don't understand why we should care about the opinions of football players on Basketball especially knowing that some suffer brain damage due to playing that game.
@@ryanr20091 They would be well served keeping away from the dafter & more controversial opinions. For instance, if somebody were to say that Robert Horry is now the G.O.A.T & not Michael Jordan because he won 7 rings (7 - 0 in the Finals) and MJ 6 (6 - 0 in the Finals), are we supposed to just keep calm, let that slide & accept that opinion as valid? That said, if you table foolproof, incontrovertible & compelling evidence that convinces us of your premise, no problem! However, if you go on that TH-camr clout chasing malarkey to wind up folk & generate engagement, verily I say unto you, you will get checked and I will be here for it no matter what.
@@ryanr20091 Nope. Eye-test. Did Bill Russel have any flashy and entertaining moves? Did Bill Russell ever win 10 scoring titles? How many Finals MVPs did Bill Russell win among his 11 chips? How many normal season MVPs did Bill Russell rack up in his career? How many times was Bill Russell even the best player in those 11-title winning teams? Did Bill Russell bring worldwide excitement to Basketball? Was there young kids in the park hooping, hoping to be like Bill Russell if they ever got to the League? What sort of competition did Russell go up against? Remember that Bill was in a stacked juggernaut chock-full of Hall of Famers going up against Plumbers, Bakers & coke-heads. MJ went up against fully professional ballers and still won. Who were the great players out of the Celtics in the era Bill Russel played? Juxtapose that against the likes of Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Mad Max, Latrell Spreewell, Rasheed Wallace, Shaquille O' Neal, Jermaine O' Neal, Alonzo Mourning, ZeBo & a host of others who were great players but many retired without a chip primarily due to the bald 'god in baggy shorts' at Chicago. What was Bill Russell's value to his team? How many wins did they get with him in the team against when he was out of the team? MJ is the undisputable G.O.A.T & few others even come close.
Longevity - LeBron James is currently ranked 24th in the NBA in points per game for the 2023-24 season, with an average of 24.8 points, at age 39. In Jordan’s last year with the Wizards he averaged 20.0 points per game placing him 26th in the league for scoring that year, at the age 40.
Jokic passed LeMoron in triple doubles a real team leader stat. 7 1/4 seasons to 21 1/4 seasons. LeMoron got the broom last year. I don’t even put MJ anywhere near leOverrated, there is no comparison. The Minneapolis Lakers, Boston Celtics, and Chicago Bulls dominated in their time, whereas LeBaby has to get traded and trades around him to win 4 on three different teams.
Jordan did 6 rings in 13 years but one season he was out 64 games and returned on a time restriction and another season it was his return to the NBA where he only played 17 games (regular season). So basically in 11 healthy/full seasons, he got 6 rings and everything else.
Remember what that one dude said it’s facts😂 NBA trainer Tim Grover: This has only happened 4 times in the history of the NBA where one player has won the scoring title, MVP, was 1st Team All-Defense, led playoff in scoring and FMVP. You know who those 4 players were? Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, and Jordan.Jul 20, 2023 Now add the double 3 peat then add the best shoe line then how he opened the doors for guys after him to get payed like that on their shoe contracts. Then talk about the defensive aggression he played against.
This is why people love TNT the most. They don't BS there. Everyone at TNT knows Jordan is the goat. ESPN and Fox BS all the time. They don't want everyone agreeing on a subject. They'd rather debate and argue so they can get more views.
The title GOAT should be given to those players who has records that expand their lifetime. Like Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell. Imagine having set records that at still unbroken more than an average NBA players career after your death. That's what it means to be the Greatest of All Time. Wilt and Bill set some of these records before MJ, LBJ and so on were born. And some of those records still stand.
There’s no real purpose in longevity if productivity is stagnant and stale. MJ did far more individually for the league itself and himself, in less time. The debate is so pointless.
Here's a simple FACT nobody can dispute, from day one of MJ playing in the NBA he was cleary the best player in the league, and remained the best in the league until his last shot in the finals against the Jazz. MJ became the greatest of all time when his accolades and accomplishments merged with his God given gift of basketball prowess. This was never a debate with anyone who has a sound mind, and clear vision. MJ 🐐
Shannon has turned into a clown. Skip Bayless (for all his faults) made Shay Shay into who he is in the media today. He was just a humble ex-NFL player, and Skip gave him a platform on Undisputed on FS1. His ego grew and grew. He left the show because he wanted to branch out and do his own podcast and make his own brand. He used the Hamlin tweet (Skip saying how the NFL game not counting would affect the playoffs) rather than worrying about the young man’s health… as a way for Sharpe to exit the show and claim he couldn’t work with Skip anymore. Just abandoned the show that made him.
I think right now though as far as the Mahomes/Brady vs Lebron/Jordan goes. It still is Lebron/Jordan ATM. But Mahomes is definitely making a good case and is closing the gap quickly. Brady however does hold a super bowl win vs Mahomes. They are even in head-to-head match ups. Will be interesting to see how Mahomes keeps playing from here on. I definitely think he has a shot to do it.
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The funny thing is if lebron had more rings than mj, Shannon would use that against mj 😅
Exactly because if you say Luka #s are more impressive than Brons at the same age Bron groupies will bring up him "dragging" Cavs to Finals just to get swept in 07. Tht why can't take Bron occultists seriously because their narratives are never consistent
@@tdup191 exactly 👍
@@tdup191he didnt even drag the cavs they dragged him!!Lebron was 3/11 game 6 eastern conference finals and his awful team still won to make finals!!20 years later they say he dragged the team going 3/11 lmao!!
@@riotordiet9154 lol tht why I put dragged in " " because its a false narrative
Because they don't have an argument.
He’s had 21 years and still hasnt managed to do what MJ did in 11 full years in chicago
Don't forget the all stars he had in his career and only got 4 w/a losing finals record. 🤔
@@marcodraven9778the only teammate thats done anything outside of bron was wade. You didnt know who kevin love was before 2015.
@@gameguru42392 Wrong, he had a lot of talent for help and couldn't deliver. You need to know the kind of stats you need to be on all-nba team.
People forget that without Kyrie Irving doing that MJ and Allen Iverson had a baby impression for the Cavs during the 2016 finals, LeBra would have at least one less ring. Just look at all the playoff games where James was basically a no-show, in his prime even. Look back at those Bulls championship runs and most if not all the games that the Bulls lost, MJ was still the fiercest competitor on the court. He simply never mastered the art of being mediocre the way James did.
@@gameguru42392 Kevin Love was an absolute force in Minnesota before joining the Cavs. Stop it LOL
Lebron hasn't caught Kobe. Look, this Lebron caught MJ debate is the stupidest argument ever. Lebron doesn't even compare to 88 MJ so HOW, literally HOOOOOOW, is this a discussion?
So then Bill Russel is the GOAT! Bill Russell has 11 RINGS!
@@comedianwillrodriguez5373 Bill Russell wasn't even the best player on his own team.
@@comedianwillrodriguez5373 uuuuuuh, I didn't mention rings.
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How many rounds did Bill play?
FACTS... No lies detected.
The more time goes on the more crazy the double 3 peat seems 🤦🏾♂️
That will be almost unbreakable record.
exactly. Lakers (with Kobe & Fisher) could’ve duplicated that in 2011 if they haven’t lost to Mavs, which was the eventual champs by beating the Heat. but we all know if Lakers and Heat met that year, KB & Fish could’ve won their 6th
@@jr032582im a lifelong laker hater yet i agree
@@jr032582yeah that's what makes the Mavs championship such a unique thing
For real
Shannon is a champion, he ain't stupid. he's just working those lebron fans for every penny they have
He literally brings it up when it comes to other players...even when comparing lbj to other players he brings up the championships an finals mvps🤷
@@jonoakAnd in Shannon’s case whenever someone says Tony Gonzalez is better than him, he’s quick to bring up his rings.
That's all ' he politicking.
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@@darrellmahan8404shay shay polidickin
LeBron takes a break every time the Lakers are on defense. Look at his per game defensive stats. They're pathetic.
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Then he says he needs help meanwhile when the lakers play without him they're better 😂
Some of those games Bron sits out, ducking from the smoke he's about to get. MJ never sat out, he gave the smoke.
13th in the NBA in steals per game is pathetic?
Every great has done that even mj if someone plays great on both sides of the ball they are not going to play 100% on defense and offense Kobe is by far my favorite player ever but it is times when you didn’t always play defense and offense everyone takes breaks on the court and plus lbj is 39 years old
_"Rings don't matter. Unless LBJ has more rings than most"_ - LBJ fans
bill russel is the goat of rings not jordon nor Lebron . debate over
So then Bill Russel is the GOAT! Bill Russell has 11 RINGS!
@@ryanr20091 But he wasn't the best on his team - he wouldn't have many finals MVPs if they existed.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl not true bill was the centerpiece to those titles best rebounder and shut the opposing offense down
@@ryanr20091Lol debate is only over to simpletons. This has been explained over and over but the slow can’t understand. Jordan has the best COMBINATION of winning, accolades stats and offensive/defensive dominance. Bill has the winning and defense but not the offensive dominance. He also had a ton of hall of famers on his team. I know even you get this but you’ll pretend you don’t as all people who argue in bad faith do.
I've never understood the "more athletic" argument. How exactly is lebron more athletic than Jordan? He certainly doesn't look like it when we're watching him
Facts he looks like a bus moving
He ONLY Has Upper Body Strength But EVEN That is Questionable
With all the flopping Lebronda James Does
Truth! Jordan had a much quicker first step, jumped higher, and had way better hands than LeBron. Nobody ever said "LeBron seems to "hang in the air". LeBron probably bench presses more the MJ, but that's about it.
@@labynoe and that's only because of steroids lol
@@labynoe Exactly
He Prob does
But What's it Worth when All Lebron does is Cry and Flop
A Grown As..s Man Crying "ah Ref" Each time he is even slightly touched is Embarrassing
@@housesavagemafia7504 "Ref the guy clearly fouled me!" As the other team is playing 4v5 because LeBron is crying like a bitch again and not getting back on defense
Jordan and Brady didn't build dynasties... they built empires
Facts
All those CHIPS under 1 banner. Too bad bron's fans can't say that.
Even Brady said he was chasing Jordan not anybody in the nfl
#THIS
Media and refs built them those empires, both players were the face of their respective leagues for a global marketing campaign to make the sports international, of course they are great but they were pushed to win more ships because that was good business for everyone.
"Rings don't matter" but taking games off against the Celtics and other top teams while stat-padding against the Hornets and the Pistons does matter.
Lol good point. Thank you for remembering that and putting it out there for the LeTard meat riders 😂
Mahomes or Lebron aren’t even in the conversation yet, they played their peak during the weakest points of both sports organizations
Mahomes plays in the AFC who has the best QBs in the NFL right now.
This season, he beat statically the best QBs in the NFL.
Tua in the Wild card
Josh Allen in the Divisional round
2-time MVP Lamar Jackson in the AFC championship game
Brock Purdy in the Super bowl
Those are all Pro bowl QBs
Mahomes is definitely closer though, and at least he's the best ever talent-wise at the position.
Be careful- part of the reason the league go softer is because of the "Tom Brady rule" that prevented pocket QB's from being hit anywhere. Tom Brady would've have lasted to 45 if the league didn't protect him after the ACL tear.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl And the colts, manning rule that prompted less aggressive play from defensive backs on receivers. Nevertheless, all qbs have benefited from the Brady rule including mahomes.
Mahomes at least passes the eye test and is insanely CLUTCH, dude LIVES for the clutch moments. you'd never see Mahomes handing the ball off scared to throw the rock in crunch time
the only reason LeMickey is still in the league is so he has that "longevity" to throw around as an "argument" in the GOAT debate... but real ones know MJ is still the one and only at the top
Exactly. I watched both players from rookie year and on and there is no way anyone can make a valid case of Lebron being better than Jordan. If they both played during the same years then people would be able to see just how dominating Jordan was compared to Lebron. Today's kids and those who never witnessed Jordan argue that Lebron is better because he is all they got to see. If you didn't witness both then stfu and stay quiet.
How can shannon spout off longevity, when lebron has only played all 82 games once in his career and load manages? Of course when you don't play as many full seasons and you load manage, you're likely to play longer. He's also not playing any defense.
Bingo!!! And it's costing his teammates and the league big time.... the new culture he started.... no heart, no loyalty, no grit, no fearlessness, just focus on yourself and your stats and make winning second
Do you rank Grant Hill over Paul Pierce?
Why do people pretend that the Mj era competition was as good as Lebrons competition? Mj era was full of junkies, and alcoholics to keep it honest. Mj took advantage of addicts and he knew it. Why you think he was able to play golf and smoke cigars after games? The league was horrible
when brady was asked if he was chasing montana he said no im chasing jordan thats crazy lol
ANY DAY (Montana > Brady) in terms of being an ultimate QB.
@@wnnfrhrw4452 Brady over Montana not even close.
@@christianmccaffrey7113
I'd take a Perfect Record in The Super Bowl over Deflategate any- & everyday.
Montana in this era would've won more because of the rules to protect the QB. That doesn't take anything away from Brady but Montana took a beating getting hit late in the knees against teams like the Bears and Giants of the 80s. Give him the personal fouls for late hits because he was that dude.
Why do we still listen to a football player when it comes to basketball??
Facts
Preach
Why do you listen to any you tuber that hasn't played basketball ?
You have to ask the world why they listen to Malika Andrews first bruh
@@ryanr20091and why are you spam commenting like you're a good baller.
Jordan >LeBron stop it
Larry Bird > LeBron stop.
Kobe>Lebron stop it
Tim Duncan>LeBron, yall really need to stop
Lebron should NOT even be ranked in the top 5! Stop it!!
Yall don't stop spreading the truth especially as shay Shay's platform continues to grow to brainwash people about Bron
Shannon is always trying to throw up stats and longevity. Even with that LeBron still not in the debate
sits out at least 1/3 of the season, what longevity 🤡
Y'all hating
@@J0SHDG0AT69 number of times each played all 82 games in a season:
lebron: 1
The Goat Jordan: 9
What's Shannon on about this longevity stuff?
Nobody is calling Vince Carter the GOAT 🐐 premised on his 22 years in the League. Definitely neither so for Robert Parish nor Kevin Willis.
Longevity in the era of LOAD MANAGEMENT?
Give me a break!
@@LeonYuLdrink tea and eat cooking while walking in transition
Bro Lebum should never be in any conversations
Just for the fact that Jordan never requested for any particular help gives him advantage on the GOAT debate. Among all the acomplishments. All other guys in the Goat debates had more help
Yes, but its very simple... if you analyze the eras and just the player Jordan is better at everything except 3 point shooting and that's debatable. And yes Michael Jordan is a better playmaker. You add the accolades and it's not even close
LIES
That is entirely wrong, but okay.
Thats why I always say that its not just about what you accomplished, but HOW you accomplished it, and nobody has ever done it in better than Jordan. Id put Kobe and Curry right behind him. They stayed with their team and built that team into dynasties. They did it the man’s way, unlike lebitch.
@@carlosrobles5591 poor victim of the JPAs nasty mindtricks
Funny thing is Mike woulda never missed the playoffs if the “play-in” was created…. Bron even missed that weak ass shit
Mj made playoffs winning 30, and 38 games. What's the least amount of games Bron made playoffs?
@@raymondbaker9529 at the time Mj couldn’t rack up wins vs a shitty 15th seed, less teams = less wins it’s simple math
@@TheRealMichaelP Mj fans favorite words are "ifs" and "wouldves" those are hypothetical. Relaity is bad teams made the playoffs by default so it's not wise to make their argument like you did. Lebron lowest win total making playoffs is like 45-46 wins. That's a fact not an if or wouldve
@@TheRealMichaelPdid you know there was 3-5 teams every season with less than 30 wins? Back then
@@raymondbaker9529 the top 8 teams made it…
Your the greatest when you play longer but win less, that's Idiocracy.
But yet he wants to put Mahomes in the GOAT debate because he won 3 SBs, 3 SBMVPs and 2 MVPs in 5 years. Shannon’s a hypocrite
Liberal philosophy lol
Wins matter. It's cool that stats are there, but if you're getting 30 a night and you still losing... 🤦♂️
100%, it's why tell the Bron fans Lebron can get 50K points and still no CHIP. It doesn't mean much unless your team is winning. Jordan didn't get the all time scoring title, but won and he was the reason the Bulls won. Jordan was the reason players like Bird, Miller, Magic, Isiah, Barkley or Ewing did not win CHIPS.
Man, 4 Chips in 20+yrs, when M.J. had 6 in 8. Goat debate OVER. 😂😂😂
This is why I don't like Shannon dude front runs & just talks n talks
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen
84-85 38-44..First round exit
85-86. 30-52..First round exit
86-87. 40-42...First round exit
01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs
02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs
LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals
In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate
Rick Barry (1975)
Bill Walton (1977)
Hakeem Olajuwon (1994)
Tim Duncan (2005) (2007)
Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010)
Steph Curry (2015) (2022)
LeBron james (2016)
Kawhi Leonard (2019)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021)
As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt
Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO
In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were
83-84 bulls 27-55
84-85 bulls. 38-44
92-93 bulls 57-25
93-94 bulls 55-27
98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen
00-01 wizards 19-63
01-02 wizards. 37-45
02-03 wizards 37-45
03-04 wizards 25-57
02-03 cavaliers 17-65
03-04 cavaliers 35-47
09-10 cavaliers 61-21
10-11 cavaliers 19-63
09-10 heat. 47-35
10-11 heat 58-24
14-15 heat 37-45
2013-14 cavaliers 33-49
2014-15 cavaliers 53-29
2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32
2018-19 cavaliers 19-63
2017-18 lakers. 35-47
2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day.
As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank.
Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter
Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck.
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!!
I have added a Postscript
So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889lol your statement is misleading first of all in 1999 did mj play no lol it was break out season lol
@@vicepresidentmikepence889also you say Lebron improved?
In 2007 wrong or right Lebron had antwun jamison ,big z,Larry Hughes and had a top 5 defense lol stop saying nonsense buddy as long with the 2009,2008,2010 Lebron had Shaq,big z,Larry Hughes,Jamison mind you lol all those players we’re in fact all stars in fact the year prior to stein Jamison joining the Cavs he was a all star lol
No one will ever know because lebron could suck in the 90s and Jordan could suck now. No one knows!
@@vicepresidentmikepence889lol in 2010 the Cavs were 6th in offense and 7th in defense lol your point is bs lol and he had mo Willam’s,atwun Jamison,big z,Shaq add context lol that’s 4 all stars on one team buddy
3 championships for lebron. No one but lebron fans consider the bubble legit
And 2020 was such a down year in the NBA. The 2019 Warriors, Raptors, Bucks, 76ers all would have annihilated the 2020 Lakers.
Y'all hating
You can still give him that 4th chip, still is the same result with LeBron not being the best to ever do it
LeBron had 4 Rings yall need to stop with that bubble nonsense 😂..
Even though he should only have 2 but Ray Allen & Kyrie saved his legacy
He has 4 and that’s incredibly great but NOT enough to pass MJ, Kareem, Wilt,
Not enough to pass Kobe, Magic , Bird , Russell on the List.
Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, LeBron are all around the same rankings tier
Curry & KD follow that tier
Never compare a Walther to a Glock..
Shannon Sharpe's logic basically is that he took a break from basketball because his father was murdered. So that's going to be used against what a damn scummy thing to do. That one statement about him taking a break after his father was murdered is enough to disqualify LeBron from the go conversation forever. This conversation is done I've had my fill of it screw LeBron James and screw Shannon Sharpe
your emotions don't change the facts though life goes on and jordon did have it easier playing alot less than Lebron
@@ryanr20091dude if I sparred with Tyson, Foreman and Ken Norton for 5years and you only sparred with junior varsity boxers at your local gym for 9rs. Are you really gonna say you had tougher training sessions than me cause of the length of time?
@@kb72977 false analogy Lebron is going up against professional athletes kid
@@ryanr20091 , what did MJ do when he was retired? He played professional baseball. You act like he was just sitting on his couch. And true athlete's know that the longer you're not playing the more rusty you become. The game is always evolving and if you're not playing it's harder to keep up. It's easier to stay on top of your game when you're always playing.
@@ryanr20091 and he accomplished more and more dominantly, nobody's forcing lebron to keep playing but himself. he should honestly quit considering he always "needs help" barely plays any defence and any time he fucks up or performs poorly people cite his age, but then a minute later they'll use that same reason to prop him up double standard dipshits
Uncut thank you, I roll my eyes so hard whenever people start spouting total stats especially, as if that matters. Blah blah blah is correct.
you hate the facts that goes against the love of your life .
truth! I bet Charles Barkley would trade some of his stats, for a ring.
huh? That's some weird analogy. @@ryanr20091
@@ryanr20091 if you really believe that, you are truly disturbed. Not sure why someone would even type that comment out.
I wish I had a wife that would defend me like Shannon Sharpe and Kendrick Perkins defends Lebron.😂😂😂
The facts people use Jordan never going to game seven as to say they he was never challenged and that’s a bad thing. Apparently dominating in a bad thing
Dominating against Craig Ehlo and Hersey Hawkins, Jeff Hornacecks of the world, wow, if only those Bulls played the Durant/Curry Warriors, or the Duncan Spurs, not even the Rockets with Drexler and Olajowan, other story would have been written.
Here is a fun fact, in MJ's 6 championship seasons, he is undefeated in game 7s as you said. He went 2-0. In 6 championship runs Jordan's Bulls only got pushed to a game 7 twice. I think that itself is incredible.
So then Bill Russel is the GOAT! Bill Russell has 11 RINGS!
@@comedianwillrodriguez5373MJ is a better player and you know it yall LeBron fan girls have no argument so you have to say dumb shit 😂
Not when you include the teams he played
Lol if rings dont matter then Westbrook is on same level as Bron when you look at their avgs 😂
Nah his numbers still ain't close nice try
Getting "T'd Up" for having bad breath.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jus for the record when MJ retired in 93 he wasn't "taking a break"... he busted his ass tryin to get good at baseball, lifting weights and practicing... yall try to make it seem like he retired and was sitting around doin nothin for 18 months... jus resting... he was probably working harder during that 18 months than he would've if he never did retire... so I don't wanna hear this "he took a break" bullshit...
Exactly and LeBron stans always trying to make it seem like Mike was “weak” for retiring. They gloss over the fact that he retired because of his father’s death and it wasn’t that his father just died, he was murdered and left in a ditch. The baseball thing was partially a coping mechanism and the rest a tribute to his father who wanted him to play baseball when he was young. Anybody who can do research knows this.
@@chicity78 exactly 💯
So you trying to tell me baseball shape is the same as basketball shape? Which tells me you know absolutely know nothing about either sport. 😂😂😂😂
Le4-6 (includes fake bubble title)
Lebronze too
@@zinjgreen3398 ooh i like that one!
Mickey mouse Disney ring 🤣🤣🤣
I call him LeBron "Four Fingers" James
@@onepiece6529 hells yes!
question: did Jordan deny Shannon an autograph or tickets to a bulls game? (it just makes no sense that Shannon was WINNING SUPER BOWLS AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE BULLS WERE WINNING TITLES for Shannon to ALWAYS be DISRESPECTING M.J. the way he does)
Shannon's statements are basically clickbait for views. Attention is the new currency and everyone loves drama.
He works for Klutch Sports, a media company that represents multiple NBA players that's owned by James's best friend.
Even though it makes sense, Shay is still ridiculous.
He just doesn’t want to come off as a old head and wants the younger audience in his corner because he thinks that’s the majority
Jordan isnt sweet
@@johnjack902 Winning isn't about being nice to people, it's about excelling.
Let’s assume that LeBum is on steroids and constantly stacking his team, why isn’t he dominating his era? Even at cheating he sucks at it 😂😂😂
Didn’t Lance Armstrong win a bunch of Tour De France races? Nikola Djokovic right now is utterly dominating Tennis. Michael Phelps was beating swimming records, Usain Bolt was breaking track records and Man City keeps annoyingly winning Premier League titles.
But Lebron James
He too Soft Even in That
Hes probably on epo.
@@housesavagemafia7504 That’s what makes it even funnier. He so bad at cheating with having everything in his favor, imagine how bad his natural skillset is. If you’re gonna cheat, at least try to dominate.
You realise the majority of professional atheletes are on PEDs right? Where is the proof that Lebron specifically cheating?
@@gambitacioSo not only are you literally blatantly lying about him being on steroids (there’s no evidence), you’re also blatantly lying about him not dominating. 4 mvps in 5 seasons, top 5 peak of all time, 8 straight finals, is not domination?
Longevity only counts if you do it the way TB12 did it. Stats don’t mean anything unless you’re winning.
Tom Brady was still top 3 even in his 40's and that's impressive af
I disagree - part of the reason he lasted so long is because of the "Tom Brady rule" which extended his career since he wasn't very mobile. I don't think he lasts that long if the rules weren't changed for him.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl TB12 still won with chips stacked against him or for him (which I don’t think happened much if at all). Lebby can’t even win with the chips stacked for him. Gazillion foul calls a game, still loses.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl Still the greatest NFL player in history regardless
Crazy how his longevity is actually tarnishing his legacy at this point. Let’s be honest, if he had MJs fire, he’d have 10 rings by now
Of course the JPA here to skew the information
There's another whole hall of fame career between both comparisons
HAHA this coming from a guy that left Denver to chase more rings.
They use longevity as a plus for lebron but a detriment to Brady
it's not a detriment, it's just that in football - Brady can't play defense and isn't really athletic. I wouldn't compare the two personally.
its kinda different when the rules change so that you can be safer, it's unfair to the ones before
The Lepropaganda is crazy. An entire generation being brainshwashed into thinking this dude is somehow the goat.
Oh well. I have a feeling the next next generations won’t look fondly on lebrons goat case as they’ll have no recency bias or emotional attachment to cloud their judgment. and when they compare, they’ll see one guy that dogs him in the accolades category and was much more successful with the championships.
Even Kareem DOGS Lebronda James
He Has 6 Championship Rings Vs Lebum Who Has 3 (Bubble Mickey Mouse Ledisney Ring dont count)
The Jorbum Propaganda Agency always trying to tarnish LeGOATs legacy
@@LeGOAT829LLLLLLebron lame jester james aint shit
If you think about it, Shannon is more likely than not on the Klutch payroll, so in essence he’s paid to get embarrassed in these debates
LeBron fans logic:
LeBron v Jordan debate- rings don't matter
LeBron v anyone with less rings debate- rings definitely matter
Jordans fans logic
LeBron vs Jordan debate rings matter
Jordan vs Russel rings dont matter
@@ryanr20091 no one says that
@@ryanr20091NBA fans logic on Bron: you forfeited your opportunity to be considered the best ever when you quit Cleveland, decided to jump ship to Miami because it was an easier route to win a chip and effectively turned your settings down from all Madden to pro, but yet want everybody to ignore that and compare your accomplishments to individuals who played on All Madden their entire career… yea FOH
@@ryanr20091No one has ever said rings don’t matter. With Jordan fans it’s rings plus everything else, not just rings by itself. LeBron fans on the other hand downplay rings and at the same time overrate Finals appearances
@@MVNYO won a title with Cleveland their first and only title so you are just ranting and blabbering
ya cuz MJ was just sitting around lounging when he retired the first time... he wasnt completely changing his body, riding buses across the country, for a grueling schedule on a non-pro baseball team to get a shot at the majors..... shannon dumb and for the life of me i cant figure out how noboyd brings this shit up
He also did the baseball thing for his murdered father so calling it a simple break is insulting Michael Jordan's dead father.
My favorite was when they asked if they would take Mahomes vs Brady in a winner takes all game for GOAT, and they all said Mahomes....like Super Bowl 55 didnt exist.
Shannon 'Not So' Sharpe thinks being louder, wins debates. What a dorky clown.
Btw, if rings aren't that important. How come teams strive to win it, every season? 🙄
Lol longevity, and scoring record only mattered when Bron couldn't win anymore championships 🤷♂️
If career points matters, then why isn't Karl Malone much higher on the all-time list?
@@Paulafan5 Simple he is above Jordon and that's what you Jordan fans hate is the mailman ended up becoming a better scorer along with kobe karrem and bron
@@ryanr20091 Points per game? You know Jordan averaged 30.7 points per game and that is the best of all time. Being a scorer isn't just the amount of points you score. Average points per game is how you determine a scorer not the amount of points you have in your career. Points don't make you great, winning is even more important and I give props to Kareem because he actually won shit while getting all time career stats.
Also, remind me who dogged Malone's ass in the Finals? Surely it wasn't Michael Jordan.. How could an MJ fans hate Malone when that dude couldn't beat the Bulls? Career with only great stats and absolutely nothing to show for it.
@@saberix69 your guy is second to malone in all time scoring meaning that even in the 90s your guy is not the scoring goat like you guys wanted him to be lol. totals are what matter in the end my friend and what history remembers. either you are the greatest scorer of all time or not. Malone happens to be above him because he lasted longer. I cant make this up
@@ryanr20091 Scoring many points is nothing if it doesn't win you the scoring title. I don't know how many scoring titles Malone won but I am adamant that they are less than the 10 that MJ collected.
If scoring more points made one a better player, even Carmelo Anthony would be regarded as a greater player than Tim Duncan.
The only point of contention I have with your video is that, historically, it would be correct to say that Jordan retired after the first 3-peat following not his father's death or passing, but his murder.
Mike wanted the last game his father was alive to see, to be his last game played.
We all understood why he retired at the time.
And just to add to that, MJ said at the beginning of the season if he were to do something that Magic and Bird hadn’t or couldn’t do which is win his 3rd chip in a row, he’d consider retirement
@@MVNYO Also, going back to his 1st or 2nd year, in an interview, he did say he wanted to retire by 30...
If rings don’t matter then nothing matters. Cause rings are the things that every athlete wants the most
welll crown bill Russel goat and Jordon's name should never come up along with bron
Great video! Thanks for speaking facts!
The pic of Shay in the thumbnail made me lol
Of all the people that say rings don't matter, how many of them are trying to do away with the championship games/series? Not one.
LeFail just passed Jordan THIS SEASON on offensive rebounds 😂😂
LeGOAT
@@LeGOAT829 a Loser
@@naturalimmunity7007 If LeGOAT is a loser and he is better than Jorbum, what does that make Jorbum???
The JPA never learns 🤣
@@LeGOAT829 his daddy. Kobe and Jordan OWN his ass. He still out there chasing their ghosts and failing miserably 😂😂😂😂
@@naturalimmunity7007 LeGOAT locked Kobes ass up back in the day and Jorbum couldn't win shit without his superteam to carry him🤣
They like to talk about him having the most points but turn their head when you bring up the most turnovers and most missed shots.
Those total stats arguments are nauseating. I don't ever recall a coach game planning for a players totals. It was about what your averaging because that speaks to game to game dominance.
MJ with 30.7 per game in his career so you knew who was the guy every night. But even without knowing that everyone just by watching Michael Jordan knew he was "that guy" nearly every game he played.
Rings don't matter?
That's how you know LeBron fans have become utterly desperate. The thing EVERY player trains for, diets for, travels for, bleeds and sweats for...means nothing. Should they mean everything? No. But to say rings are meaningless not only cheapens the value and the struggle to get them it contradicts LeBrons decisions throughout his career. How many of his decisions from leaving Cleveland to begging the Lakers to trade half the roster for AD were motivated in the pursuit of those "meaningless" rings? Shannon as a professional athlete just insinuated rings are meaningless. Not a fan. Not a news pundit. Not a analyst or agent. A effing HOF professional athlete. Dude will sell his damn soul in his quest to simp for LeBron. It's actually disgusting. Even more so when he had that debate with Tony Gonzalez years ago who's stats lap Shannons and his argument over Tony was literally I got rings.
I don't understand why we should care about the opinions of football players on Basketball especially knowing that some suffer brain damage due to playing that game.
😂
by your logic you tubers shouldn't have opinions either since they haven't played
@@ryanr20091 They would be well served keeping away from the dafter & more controversial opinions.
For instance, if somebody were to say that Robert Horry is now the G.O.A.T & not Michael Jordan because he won 7 rings (7 - 0 in the Finals) and MJ 6 (6 - 0 in the Finals), are we supposed to just keep calm, let that slide & accept that opinion as valid?
That said, if you table foolproof, incontrovertible & compelling evidence that convinces us of your premise, no problem!
However, if you go on that TH-camr clout chasing malarkey to wind up folk & generate engagement, verily I say unto you, you will get checked and I will be here for it no matter what.
@@dennismukoyatv welll evidence shows bill russel has 11 rings so we have to accept him as goat of championships enough about Jordan
@@ryanr20091 Nope.
Eye-test. Did Bill Russel have any flashy and entertaining moves?
Did Bill Russell ever win 10 scoring titles?
How many Finals MVPs did Bill Russell win among his 11 chips?
How many normal season MVPs did Bill Russell rack up in his career?
How many times was Bill Russell even the best player in those 11-title winning teams?
Did Bill Russell bring worldwide excitement to Basketball? Was there young kids in the park hooping, hoping to be like Bill Russell if they ever got to the League?
What sort of competition did Russell go up against? Remember that Bill was in a stacked juggernaut chock-full of Hall of Famers going up against Plumbers, Bakers & coke-heads.
MJ went up against fully professional ballers and still won.
Who were the great players out of the Celtics in the era Bill Russel played?
Juxtapose that against the likes of Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Mad Max, Latrell Spreewell, Rasheed Wallace, Shaquille O' Neal, Jermaine O' Neal, Alonzo Mourning, ZeBo & a host of others who were great players but many retired without a chip primarily due to the bald 'god in baggy shorts' at Chicago.
What was Bill Russell's value to his team? How many wins did they get with him in the team against when he was out of the team?
MJ is the undisputable G.O.A.T & few others even come close.
Longevity - LeBron James is currently ranked 24th in the NBA in points per game for the 2023-24 season, with an average of 24.8 points, at age 39. In Jordan’s last year with the Wizards he averaged 20.0 points per game placing him 26th in the league for scoring that year, at the age 40.
Good video. Good points. Thanks for sharing.
Are you on Rumble?
“So now 3 peats matter?” - Shannon sharpe
INSANE
If LeBron plays until he's 50 he still will never ever be as good as Jordan
Jokic passed LeMoron in triple doubles a real team leader stat. 7 1/4 seasons to 21 1/4 seasons. LeMoron got the broom last year. I don’t even put MJ anywhere near leOverrated, there is no comparison. The Minneapolis Lakers, Boston Celtics, and Chicago Bulls dominated in their time, whereas LeBaby has to get traded and trades around him to win 4 on three different teams.
"Died" isn't a good description for Jordan's father. He was carjacked and murdered.
Jordan did 6 rings in 13 years but one season he was out 64 games and returned on a time restriction and another season it was his return to the NBA where he only played 17 games (regular season). So basically in 11 healthy/full seasons, he got 6 rings and everything else.
The same way Tom Brady would get closelined by linebackers and Mahomes didn’t. Jordan got closelined by power forwards and Lebron didn’t.
anyone that says Lebron is better than MJ either didn't watch Jordan play or on the Klutch payroll
That's my favorite argument: How many three-peats? Kobe and Shaq got one, so they're up on Lebron too.
Remember what that one dude said it’s facts😂
NBA trainer Tim Grover: This has only happened 4 times in the history of the NBA where one player has won the scoring title, MVP, was 1st Team All-Defense, led playoff in scoring and FMVP. You know who those 4 players were? Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, and Jordan.Jul 20, 2023
Now add the double 3 peat then add the best shoe line then how he opened the doors for guys after him to get payed like that on their shoe contracts. Then talk about the defensive aggression he played against.
This is why people love TNT the most. They don't BS there. Everyone at TNT knows Jordan is the goat. ESPN and Fox BS all the time. They don't want everyone agreeing on a subject. They'd rather debate and argue so they can get more views.
Shannon considers himself the greatest tightend of all time because he had 3 rings with 2 different teams
Exactly. He uses his rings as his reason to put him over Tony Gonzales even tho Tony has better longevity and stats.
Points compared to championships is like Who's line is it anyways? The points simply do not matter.
Advanced stats >>>>>>>>>> total career stats. Total stats and basic box score numbers dont properly account for different eras
That thumbnail 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
When did the Denver broncos tight end become an expert on Basketball
bro u aint have to do unc like that on the thumbnail 😂😂
The title GOAT should be given to those players who has records that expand their lifetime.
Like Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell.
Imagine having set records that at still unbroken more than an average NBA players career after your death. That's what it means to be the Greatest of All Time. Wilt and Bill set some of these records before MJ, LBJ and so on were born. And some of those records still stand.
There’s no real purpose in longevity if productivity is stagnant and stale. MJ did far more individually for the league itself and himself, in less time. The debate is so pointless.
4:30 was one of the smoothest passes ive ever seen
Here's a simple FACT nobody can dispute, from day one of MJ playing in the NBA he was cleary the best player in the league, and remained the best in the league until his last shot in the finals against the Jazz.
MJ became the greatest of all time when his accolades and accomplishments merged with his God given gift of basketball prowess.
This was never a debate with anyone who has a sound mind, and clear vision.
MJ 🐐
I wish Jordan hadn't retired for that year and won the championship then... Could you imagine seven straight championships
Shannon has turned into a clown. Skip Bayless (for all his faults) made Shay Shay into who he is in the media today. He was just a humble ex-NFL player, and Skip gave him a platform on Undisputed on FS1. His ego grew and grew. He left the show because he wanted to branch out and do his own podcast and make his own brand. He used the Hamlin tweet (Skip saying how the NFL game not counting would affect the playoffs) rather than worrying about the young man’s health… as a way for Sharpe to exit the show and claim he couldn’t work with Skip anymore. Just abandoned the show that made him.
Great evidence provided as usual
He forgot to add misses and turnovers😂😂
I actually like LeBron but 2011 and 2022 knock him completely from this argument.
Why is there even a debate about these two?
Mr. 4-6, that one right there made me the greatest loser of all time 😂
This video sounds like Skip using a voice mod to make fun of sharpe 😅
Jordan Wizard years was to 911 as the last dance was for the pandemic. We needed that.
ESPN segments are super stupid.
That's for Jordan Brady and Mahomes
Hall of Fame coaches to
Hall of Fame front office
Lebron haven’t caught Kobe, he’s many moons away from Kobe
I think right now though as far as the Mahomes/Brady vs Lebron/Jordan goes. It still is Lebron/Jordan ATM. But Mahomes is definitely making a good case and is closing the gap quickly. Brady however does hold a super bowl win vs Mahomes. They are even in head-to-head match ups. Will be interesting to see how Mahomes keeps playing from here on. I definitely think he has a shot to do it.
That make up thumbnail 😂
So sad they never mention Tim Duncan 5-1 championships
7:56 Don't forget the 2 three peat teams had a totally different roster from eachother except for Pippin making it impressive for doing it twice in such a short period
You should be on these shows
MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Magic, Tim, Bill all better then LeBron
The greatest is about the peak of player Shannon knows this he’s getting paid
That "rest" (playing a sport with a longer season) came with a lot of "rust" when MJ came back