Our thoughts a year later...HeadRush Prime
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- Our thoughts on Headrush Prime after picking it up and making a bunch of Amp Clones, presets and some pretty good tones for the unit. Should you buy it? Are the features worth it?
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What a great, informative, Open-Minded discussion on different pedalboards. Amazing how divided and snarky people can get so this was a model on how we should be instead of trying to argue what is "best". Ideal for me would be a Kemper in the Headrush hardware. Love the Headrush touch screen, pedal and amp images...
I’ve had the OG for over 5 years now and I still love it! I’ve played hundreds of gigs with it, I record with it every day and use it for teaching. I think it’s a very cost effective bit of gear!
The core is hard to beat at the price
The Prime may have launched in 2023, but the touch screen and format debuted on OG Headrush Pedalboard in 2017, 3 years before the QC
Doesn’t matter if it has a touchscreen when it sounds like shit
And they’re a blatant money grab company that will abandon hardware and throw out completely different hardware and stop any support for the legacy stuff. Don’t fall in the Headrush trap
I have the Core, I got it, because of all the stuff you can do with the unit, like it's a one stop shop. Cool sounds is something you can always get, either from stock or buying captures, getting updates, etc. If we learned something from units like the Line 6, is that the sound of your pedalboard WILL change with time and updates.
do you consider other mfx like fm3 before proceed with core? thanks!
@@alan6six6 Yes, but I really liked the Core features, liked the size, the 5 buttons and how you can set them, that it can work with 2 onstruments at a time, I liked the looper, the fact that you can import backing tracks into it, that it has WiFi and a good screen, and the user interface in general. Regarding it's sounds, honestly I think of these as synths or DAWs, where you can always dial in cool tones. Also, it was like $600. I wouldn't give all that up in exchange for a more accurate Fender 65, or Vox or whatever, which is the selling point of many modelers, that it sounds like THE THING.
@@alan6six6 fm9 is better because of 2 amps, etc. fm3 can't do it
trust me, Headrush Prime is pretty great considering it has the cloud completely FREE! And no, you can actually layer/stack effects without any tone coloring.With tons of user rigs,clones of amps & cabs, amps, and pedals. I even started using it for vocals with the band when I switched from the OG board. 4 year long Headrush user.
Can you tell me what the latency is now that they updated it to fix latency issues with cloning? I think I want a core but I want the latency to be good
@@jourdinthedragon Latency on clones is improved but if you are a sound snob, you'll hear any slight latency. Alas, the Drop tune pedal and the synth pedals have LOTS of latency. Amp clones on the other hand are much better with it. Get Prime because I verified Core actually has less horsepower in how much stress the CPU can handle. Some prime rigs ran at 100% cpu usage on Core and thus unusable. Also, if you are not interested in dialing in every single rig by yourself and want rigs catered to you like Helix users, a HeadRush unit may not be what you're looking for. If you like learning new things and diving deep, spending hours dialing in tones by ear, then definitely get it. I personally love it and I know that if I buy any rigs they actually will need a ton pf adjustments to sound like I want lol So with headrush everything is kinda in your hands, very easy UI to navigate, super fast to dial in kick ass tones but not without a learning curve (: Cheers!
@@headrushG33K Thank you for that info! I did not know the core had lower processing power but that gives me something to think about. Might have to see if I can scrape together a little bit extra to get the prime. 👍
My only gripe with the headrush is it can't do ambient for shit...which is disappointing for me. Other than that, the prime/core is amazing. Most of these youtube guys are just coming off as pretentious or scoff at anything that isn't a kemper or qc.
Agreed, for straight ahead rock tones with some mods/delays, it honestly sounds incredible to my ear. It does struggle with reverbs from time to time (the more ambient ones are tough...)
As an owner of the HR prime, I have to say that The Hotone ampero 2 stage sounds wayy better...much closer to the Fractals than the HRP. plus it has the missing volume/mix/hc/lc controls in the fx.
Is your Everything Headrush Amp Pack compatible with the headrush paddleboard? Or just the prime?
BTW, thank you for all the great content HW !
The Headrush pedalboard was the first multi fx with full touch screen interface, back in 2017.
And yeah, HR should be a bit less adamant about the models and put an output volume in all of them.
Headrush Prime video # 135-
As usual, reviewed this unit across several videos and have noticed a lot of questions and NONE of them ever answered, including my own.
So here's the question:
-Can you split your signal from -Guitar into FRFR/PA?
-Can you split Vocals into PA from Headrush Prime
Does using both guitar and vocal signal chain induce a noticeable latency?
You can split your vocals and guitar into separate outputs (have your guitar coming out of the left output and the vocals coming out of the right, for example), with no noticeable latency - but you're relegated to having a 50/50 split path if you need vocal and guitar FX at the same time, which means if you need just a de-esser on vocals you're going to be very limited on your guitar path for that one vocal effect.
@@JohnvanCapel ^Thank you.
You can split the vocal and guitar to separate left and right but also seperate stereo out for both, as well as get the both out from same output
@@eerokkitube Thank you for your response!
To me it good to profile amps and use effects with it. For the price of the core that can do both of those it hard to find a unit of course get a tone x but than need effect or go the other way QC but it cost more so for a profiler and effects it works.
The Black Mini is a a great overall amp model. Try it out.
Very similar what Daniel Cramer voiced on his channel - he wasn't all that happy with modeled (built-in) Prime tones, and preferred using it as a profiler, coupling profiles with built-in effects/drives.
I wonder if these guys had demo’d the HR w/the most current firmware update🤔and what speakers / sig chain did they use to compare? Personally I didn’t think I could love my HR products any more than I already do, but every update makes me even happier.
You really need to play these modelers through an FRFR system to get the most out of them. I got a Fender FR10…and it made every modeler sound better. Even the Helix, which I couldn’t stand prior to that.
I went with the core a few months ago bc my guitar/vocal rig was getting clunky with iPhones, dongles, interfaces and battery packs. It did solve that problem but it needs a few more things to make me happier with the purchase. I think it needs more MIDI capabilities, controlling vocals FX like key changes are very difficult in a live situation. The limited routing options doesn’t give me too many choices. I had to make 12 of the same rigs with all the key changes for harmony and pitch correction, I bank up an down to change keys. I would love to see a live view dashboard, the little icons of amps and fx are cute but I want to see levels and keys and tempo. The obvious is use the Bluetooth for if not an editor, at least a way to mirror the touchscreen on an external device to control. I use the core at desktop level bc I hate bending over, I have midi controllers that are very capable but headrush has very limited MIDI. My iOS bias FX 2 still blows away the core tone wise in my opinion but I’m a bad singer and need auto tune so I went with the core. I’m not chasing guitar tone as much bc I’m more of a live performer who doesn’t record much so I’m ok with the basic good tones all current modelers offer. The core should have stereo fx loop and 2 expression pedal ports. I wish they made the core for the desktop without the foot controllers, so I never have to bend over again. As the days go on, the buyers remorse gets less bc I’m getting better and tweaking vocals.
Have you tried the auto harmony?i dont have any problem on vocal tuning, harmony follows my guitar key,you have to sing really sing in tune,and i dont😊thats really mess up the harmony,i also put a little autotune b4 the harmonizer.Anderston has also demo on its vocals capabilities ❤
I just bought new Prime at local music store sale for 1000$ USD and since that I feel like I am living a dream. I could not ask for more as an average bedroom guitarist.
It really is great. Doesn't get the respect it deserves.
I'm 65 years old. Am I to late to buy the Headrush Prime? Will my music sound cool.
I love my Boss Me-80 multiple effects pedal, but...
@@molotulo8808 I'm 55 and I love mine. It sounds great and is SO easy to use with the touchscreen. Get some good presets in it like Daniel Kramers great preset pack for $14 and it will sound amazing. Just do it, you will be glad you did. 👍
@@molotulo8808 hey bro, how are you? I'm 26 years old, i'm too young? Well, i don't know, but i'm too poor to buy one xD HAHAH but someday i'll get one. BUT> i study them.
This is an amazing product, but you can't control it by software computer. Maybe someday they create an software, but you can only use it controlling by the product itself. so, it can't be much comfortably... Well, FOR ME it's a thing to think about. But this is an amazing product.
Did you use software to control, save, create patchs, etc?
It's a very impressive unit, but it has own personality. It does alot well.
For me I use only the IR from Vinai T and the Chimera from JTC. Very extreme better sounding with RCF ST 12 sma II then with the HR 108 speaker where I lowcut at 100 highcut at 4800 with RCF don't cutting at all, with anny cutting it sounds worse -the RCF speaker is a very huge difference.
Guys!!!! Headrush came out way before the Quad Cortex. Look up Pete Thorn demonstrating the Headrush Pedalboard. It has a great sound. I starting using it in 2017 and have 100s of videos on the Headrush stuff :)
not the prime
Headrush Prime came out March of 2023 no?
@@ToneJunkieTV yeah but you were talking about touch screen capabilities in general, not just related to the two units, and Headrush pedalboard came first back in March of 2017 ;-)
@@ToneJunkieTV yeah but you were talking like Headrush didn't have previous products out of the market. QC took features from many modelrs (similar to TMP) and made their own product. The Revalver plugin could already do captures so when InMusic acquired Revalver then naturally they wanted to make a product that could have the same feature set of other products they arleady own.
Think they are talking about the HR prime.
I've never seen you all before, but I instantly feel like I'm part of the group.
Headrush needs to add a PC editor. I gave up my MX5 because of the lack of an editor, but I'll get one again if they make one.
I am one of those who would like more HR options from you guys
*I found the headrush to be a piece of crap and I'm literally an electrical/electronics engineer.* As a stand alone unit, it couldn't stand on it's own to produce enough gain for shredding metal and arpeggios or even hard rock level leads.
I have also been using an analog overdrive I developed 15 years ago to successfully overdrive every digital modeler, solid-state and tube amp I own, but the Headrush was the first that didn't respond to it for shit.
I ended up with a Valeton GP200 and it rivals the Boss and Line 6 of a slightly higher price point with flying colors. *Something else I notice about all these new generation units is they need noise gates, something I despise!*
The overdrive I designed has allowed me to have face melting levels of gain with absolutely zero noise. No hiss, no 60 cycle hum, and no RF from surrounding devices that vanishes or partially vanishes when you touch your strings.
*100% silence until this recent batch from virtually all brands.*
I'm in the process of designing a new fuzz distortion to fill the gap for these new units so I don't have to run a noise gate and the initial tests of it's current state of development have been terrific. If it's dead silent overdriving the Valeton without a noise gate but shred level lead gain, *I'm certain it will perform this way with the new generation of digi units out there.*
Ultimately, it is the foundation for designing my own original amplifier design with analog modeling and some critical design features that will have a major impact on how preamps of any active drive technology are designed.*
I absolutely loved the MX5. For when I'd practice I was able to make a Metallica AJFA tone, iron maiden FOTD and power slave tone, for my 7 string it took some work to build tones, but for regular IR or pre settings? Trash
I‘m pretty happy wirh mine!
I think people drastically misunderstand what pedal companies want their units to do. The Helix doesn't do amp capturing. But the captures in the Head Rush prime suck. The captures in the Helix sound better out of the box and off the multiple ongoing updates. But the headrush prime is better? The reverbs and delays specifically in the Helix are not comparable to anything else on the market in terms of quality. He just said that the reverbs in the prime sound hi-fi. But the prime is better? Also you can get the Helix LT which is a helix without a couple of bells and whistles at 90% of guitar players don't even use anyway for $300 cheaper then the prime. Sounds like somebody's just trying to be a contrarian.
Buy a Prime and spend $14 on a Daniel Kramer preset pack and you will be floored, nothing else close for the Prime. It's both model rigs & capture rigs and it sounds fantastic. I get nothing by recommending it, just telling you the Prime on his patches/rigs is truly amazing the tones. Best $14 you will ever spend. 👍
Totally into this channel! The videos are always top-notch. Honestly, if you can dial in a solid amp sound on your HeadRush, it's a game-changer. Take a look at the A/B comparison video I put together; it really shows off the difference between the 'treated' and stock HR amps. Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/p_cR3xEhFtg/w-d-xo.html
I have found my unit to be inconsistent. Hard to get consistent volume settings. Set it up brite as hell turn it off come back later sounds like rumble city. It is gathering alot of dust at the moment. Same way with the cloud sometimes it does some really crazy shit.
Was wondering if you guys could do a video about which modeling companies support their products the best, such as customer support, firmware updates, additional features added through software updates? I love gear, amps pedals, modelers but never buy because I want a great product, awesome customer service and product support, software updates, new features etc.. I heard Line 6 is one of the best companies so far and that Headrush doesn’t do an6 kind of product support, no new features, no updates, firmware. I do very much like the Headrush Core and the new Hotone Ampero Stage 2.
My thoughts exactly the core and stage 2 seem extremely great value for money❤
Im an engineer and have played for 47 years and i love it! .02 worth
Headrushing is still lacking on Lushy Reverbs..
Agreed on that.
The vocoder is way fun.
Had a prime, got it mint at a great price used, the entirety of the cloud and ability to share/upload/etc just didn’t work. Errors left and right. Reached out to support, took 2 months of back and forth sending videos and troubleshooting, then shipped it to them for another 2 months, came back to me and kinda worked, but still threw errors all
Over the place, downloading or searching the cloud was a “fail six times on press, succeed once” so getting it work on that main huge selling point feature was haphazard at best. Captures hit or miss, and just became an annoyance. Why not have a web based exchange? Oh they did but killed it for this broken shitshow. No way to get captured aside from the hardware unit itself and a 4 month turnaround on a repair?
It sold quickly, and I laid out the whole nest of issues. The next guy didn’t mind so much but a cursory glance at their forums says no fixes have been dropped since then.
HR was purchased for a reason, and I don’t think it’s to stay at the forefront of development on their product line.
From yalls experience, is the Headrush valuable as a vocal & guitar combo rig? I haven't seen many reviews diving into that functionality, mostly guitar guys mentioning its an option. I feel like for a little church plant with a portable PA it would be a great long-term solution for the worship leader, but I get the vibe that I might be the only person who cares. I'm excited about getting one at some point for that reason, but I feel like there isn't much interest, or maybe Headrush hasn't earned the trust of enough producer types, for that function to be celebrated. Am I missing something in that regard? Do the vocal effects not matter or just suck so no one wants to talk about them? Will Worship tutorials make a combo rig tutorial and talk about what they think (I have been waiting on that follow up video from them)
We haven't' tried it as a vocal rig. I know it has that ability but none of us have experience or a need to run vocal effects at our feet and not allowing the soundesk to effect the vocals. We would be out of our lane so we probably won't explore it.
I'm using the core as a vocal & guitar combo rig, and I love it.
I use only captures (no amp modelling) for my guitar tones + fx.
On the vocal side, I use a compressor, a room reverb, vocal distortion, and delays. I only use autotune for one song that has a tricky vocal part and it works very well. I don't use the vocal harmonies (I like to record those myself and send them as a track).
The core sounds amazing and takes our overall performance as a band to another level. My bandmates are really happy (they usually don't even notice when I change my pedals, so that's something!). I don't use amps or FRFR (we play with inears); just send the lines out of my core to our inear mixer and to PA. We did a show on Friday as the opening act for a well-known band. I enjoyed my tone so much! And the comments were we sounded way better, just sayin'. IF you have any questions I can help you with, let me know.
Hi @@ToneJunkieTV I see your point. However, you won't be out of your lane if you work with your own sound guy. We gig with our own technician, and he loves that I send my own delays and reverbs. I calibrated my effects with him some time ago and it always works great. Also, for vocals, the HR has DRY and WET outs, so the sound engineer can mix them however they like and control that as well.
Who is Worship Tutorials?
I feel people always skip over the xloud on the devicevwith all the amazing uploads users have added.
If the Headrush base amp models need to all be thrown out, how does the Headrush CPU usage work when it comes to using clones? Let’s say I want to use 2 drive pedal clones and then two amp clones in stereo. Left and right. Would the Headrush be capable of this and do it well?
Why buy a unit that just doesn't work???? im forgetting headrush. As with most modellers. It's false Advertising. Companies shouldn't be allowed to release modellers unless it does as described.
Just say you don't know how to use it.
Hay, should I keep my hx stomp or return it and wait for the kemper profile player? I really like the way the kemper looks and I want a more non digital feel. I'm coming from a 6505MH and a peavey 4x12 flight case cab which is my bed room amp.
I tried the HX Stomp several times (for the form factor) comparing it to the Kemper. I tried everything, own IRs and tweaking a lot, but i couldn't make it sound right, there was always this "digital fizzle" when the tone was fading. The Kemper on the other hand is way more realistic. Player is great, just lacking effect slots and looper. QuadCortex has it all and it sounds great (I love mine) just bigger and heavier
I'd choose Kemper Player over HX stomp everyday, but I like the HX stomp a lot but mostly as a multi effects unit.
@@ToneJunkieTV Thanks for some input! Yeah, maybe I'll use my gx-100 for missing effects if needed. 👍
The problem with Headrush is its made by Akai, Akai is a company that releases products that have no staff that understand them at all!! The mpc is a good example, been around for 30 years plus and you try and find out how something simple works, good luck!! no customer service, useless manual and this thing sounds exactly the same, all these wierd issues and nobody can explain why.
your name is accurate, but aside from that you must only be emailing customer service and not speaking to anyone on the forum. there are more knowledgeable people further up the chain than some poor sap sitting at a desk answering email all day with the canned responses. crazy thing is they are listening and making the changes per update, guess they finally got the message with line 6 keeping a strong grip with the helix.
How can I not answer as the player😂
"Should you buy it?" No