In Naval Terms, Helix Floor is the Aircraft Carrier, Helix LT is a cruiser, Helix Stomp XL is light cruiser, Helix Stomp is a destroyer, Podgo is a frigate and the Express is a PT boat........
Well you can't really blame Line6 if they do. You'll have many years to come with your unit, there is so much to explore. For most people The Helix is total overkill, not for me though 😁
Like the girl you fell in love with in high school and has raised your 3 children. Everyday, she is as beautiful as she was when she was a teenager. Helix; the perfect girl for you!
I think it’s time for a successor but there def needs to be Helix support for 5 years due to a number of units out there. I feel they need to focus on a smaller footprint with lots of power ala Stomp XL format but more engine power to last another 10 years.
why have these Helix Death videos appeared all at once? It feels as if Line6 paid everyone to sell as many Helixes as possible before they announce something new lol.
@6:12 - I think one of the big drivers of the uptick in sales might have something to do with some competitive products coming out that just aren't truly "better." When the TMP, QC, and Headrush Prime all release "cutting edge" new stuff, and many aspects of them just cant stand up to the 10 year old offering from Line6...people are going to adopt the thing that has a gargantuan ecosystem and undying fan support. Considering the age of the hardware in the Helix, it's got quite an impressive amount of power. Sure, the QC has pedal and amp capturing, but if we're actually honest here, *almost* no one is going to be using that. The downsides of the QC otherwise, and it's disappointing DSP considering the theoretical limits it SHOULD have with its processing power....just drive people away. The market for capturing is vanishingly small, and there are better products out there for it. Too many people have pretty much *only* a multi-effects setup.
No you shouldn’t buy it. So that prices go down. And I can get one for super cheap. 😂😂 in all seriousness, I love the helix and I don’t think I ever will not. very excited for the future of Line 6.
I bought the helix floor in 2018, and it's still amazing! All my bass and guitar tones come from the helix. Including several Worship Tutorial patches. Highly recommended!!
it needs a big screen and touch option, more dsp, STANDARD 9 volt power supply with the ability to work with other gears WITHOUT humming and a USEABLE looper, etc..
Having bought the Helix when they first released it I am appreciative that I have gotten so much longevity out of it. WT patches have allowed me to get the sounds I want without re-creating the wheel. Thanks guys!
I bought mine about a year and a half ago and I would buy it again today. I waited for so long because I had an HD500X that had just as much staying power as any. The decision point was when Line6 started reducing HD series support for the Helix. So I would say that is my jumping off point, when Line6 stops supporting the Helix, then I’ll start worrying.
I love the Helix floor for a solo musician. With the ability to have a microphone for vocals and a separate line for the guitar.....it is incredibly versatile. I really wish they would add an acoustic amp model and the biggest wish would be some vocal effects like what TC Helicon does where the harmonizer will autodetect your guitar key and adjust the harmonizer to that. Be great to have a double vocal effect as well. I absolutely love my Helix and with them constantly updating the Helix, these are possibilities I suppose....far fetched, but still possibilities. :)
I want a helix with more memory for irs and less limits when I program presets with snap shots. And more pedals and more amps and more speakers and more memory…. And also guitar emulations like fenders ultra tele and strat and gretsch h falcon. And AUTOTUNE AND something like a Daw lol
totally agree. The Helix was so well thought out in the form factor...way ahead of it's time and the combo of that great layout with the ever improving firmware and actual SOUNDS, in my opinion, makes it the best out there. A touch screen would be nice, but other than that, Helix is the chef's kiss
Glad you mentioned the HX Effects. It's been off the Line 6 discussion forums for at least two years. It's all I have so I'm in a wait and see mode. I want to see sampling rate, processor and DRAM specifications comparisons before I make the next plunge.
DSP is an issue. It's about time. At least upgrade the dsp. Yamaha is so kind to keep on upgrading the software of the helix. But there's a point where developer can't upgrade/maximize the software using limited hardware capacity. It's like trying to shove 1OTB data into 1MB pendrive...
2:21 To be fair, if it has been 10 years, then Apple did released 10 new phones because they release a new one every single year... so yeah, that's A LOT of time for digital products.
It's one of those bits of kit that will always sound great you could play it in 50 years and it'll still stack up because our ears don't change and it's already spot on so there isn't really much more a multi effects can give quality wise. Newer systems will just add weird and wonderful effects but the overall quality won't really move on much
Nice sounds but thus u guys seem to be a preordered marketing video. There are so many great things out there and also cheaper. That big bulky box with the integrated wah volume is a no go for many of us. And then? The Stomp LX supposed to b a stand alone simple solution that should work for one man bands and small venues. No it does not work. Because its looper sucks both mechanically and software wise. I wrote about it on that side page of helix, many ppl commented it already. Line 6 does not give a shite for one man band scenarios.
I bought an LT used off reverb for $800 it showed up practically new. I absolutely love the thing it has enough processing power to run what I need so I really don’t need anything newer.
When the Helix was released the HD500 felt ANCIENT, like it felt like possibly the most outdated product in the entire guitar market. 10 years on, the Helix doesn't feel new, but it doesn't feel old either. It also sounds really good, whereas the HD500, even the X, never sounded very good at all.
Helix saved you a ton of money from buying pedals and amps I have the helix Now concerning those pedals and amps that I purchased I want my money back 😂
The couldn't get over the learning curve woth the Helix, so I sold it for the Fender TMP, much easier learning curve for a newb in the guitar world... That being said, Helix is still an awesome sounding unit. I don't understand why people hate on one unit to another, all of them have strengths and weaknesses. The fact that we have so many different types of modelers should be an indication that there's the right flavor for everyone. If the Helix is the one for you, right on brother! But if someone else likes the headrush, keeper, TMP better, don't put them down man, we're all here to enjoy music in a while we like to share it and play. All these units are great. No hate to any of them!!!
Absolutely but! First, you should always invent unless you plan to be trampled over. And let's face it, as time advances, more and more absent features are becoming a handicap compared to the norm that evolved, like the wirelessly connecting with app, more DSP, touch screen, improving form factors and weight, tone matching, and obviously some major cutting-edge things that are essential in order to stay competitive.
If I was Line 6, the Helix isn't what I'd really be concentrating on in regard to the "next step", figuratively speaking...I'd be focusing on a next level Variax...If they could make a Variax with a wireless pack...like plug one end into your variax transmitter that you could wear, and the receiver into the Variax port, and really refine the way a variax sounds, like pickup modeling of say Fishman Fluence single coil and humbucker pickups, make the guitar play like an Ibanez AZ...have a 24 and 22 fret version, and maybe even equip it with Fishman Fluence pickups (I don't work for Fishman...guess I should put that in here...haha!), make them with roasted maple necks and well dressed stainless steel frets, I don't see why something like that wouldn't take off...and also really focus on their acoustic guitar modeling for the Variax...
I'm a long-time user of the Helix Floor and HX Stomp XL. I'll buy the next version of the Helix Floor when it comes out. Line 6 has to keep the next version within the Helix universe. There are too many customers with years of time invested in the presets. They need to add DSP and fix the preset leveling problem. Needs to have some built in system to balance volume across presets. Also its hard to understand whey they have so many terrible stock presets when there are so many good customized ones on the market.
Another idea: Line 6 TONE COACH - ai generated pedal/parameter layouts within an effects unit. Type in a prompt on the software like "Worship guitar patch with octave synth" and then ai creates a patch.
Psychologists need to ask guitarists why they have this obsession of constantly moving on? They love one of their guitars and they love the amp or digital box they're gigging with but every couple of months they get bored with themselves and so the moving on syndrome begins. Or people at their gigs have been telling them they sound fantastic, awesome tone, then one night some guy tells them your tone sounds very thin, what you playing through. Ooh boy, disaster, time to sell my Helix, or my Kemper, or my ToneX and buy the all new digital box that makes a 3.7% more accurate Capture or Profile than what I'm currently using. Meanwhile every digital box they buy and sell they end up tweaking to sound exactly like they always sound, their tone. And you watch their gig and they sound exactly the same as they sounded a week earlier with the previous rig.. And no, the Strymon Timeline you're now using for delay sounds exactly the same as your digital box delay in the mix through the PA.
Even if there is a new Helix 2.0 that comes out, the original Helix still sounds fantastic! I actually was late to the game. My church has had them for quite some time, but I just recently (in january-ish) bought one. I love it. The possibilities are endless!
Ok… staying relevant is a challenge with this stuff. Analogy to Apple phones is backwards. These modelers are attempting to use new tech to sound OLD. Eventually there is no where left to go. AXE is really already there.
I kinda miss my LT! I have a QC now and love it. But I really did enjoy the Helix and loved the desktop app. Made everything so easy and it sounded awesome
The helix can kick rocks with everything the QC does especially now. Effects were better on helix but everything else on the QC far surpasses the hekic
If you say that a modeling device is obsolete, then you are saying that the underlying pedals, etc., are also obsolete. I don't think that will ever happen with any of these modern modelers. Yamaha is a Japanese company who is trying to slow down the pace of change, all the while increasing the value for the customer base.
To me the question is about price. It's not like a computer where tech is rapidly advancing all the time and you need xyz component to run software. Electric guitar is still going to be electric guitar. Hell even older analog pedals still hold value.
I think they need to make an amp pedal with the same kind of interface the HX ONE has. They should make it so you can run dual amps with multiple effects units. That would be killer for people that have effects the love already and that want to run a dual amp rig.
5:22 thats actually a lie. You have to sign a disclosure paper before and they show you stuff. It was the same with thr helix stomp before it got released. So, matter of fakt, dont bullsh*t people 😂
The problem is always the money we have, I think it is a good pedalboard but due to its age and what it still costs, there are cheaper options. nux, headrush etc etc are cheaper and good options for most of us who play (and those who play in a church)
Helix still sounds so good, that even if there was a "Helix 2", it wouldn't make your Helix 1 sound worse? If they keep updating Helix, what's wrong with it? It's DSP, it's programmed modelling, it doesn't become obsolete. The only thing that could happen is eventually models take up so much DSP that the user is limited in choice. This only limits you, doesn't make it sound bad.
Yeah, i think for gears it's more like the mixers too, look at X32/M32 or any other digital mixers they're still relevant even after decades+ that they've been released
Helix wishlist: -native Dante support (or a card option) that supports LCR wet/dry out -more DSP -more snapshots per preset -variable rate tremolo (like that one pedal Brad has) -better signal-chain visuals, especially for amps and cabs -photos of the amps being played -fixing that knob to the right of the screen with push to select -WT amp captures included out the box
Would you guys have any idea on how to make a patch that makes your helix a click tracks midi controller like the looptimus pedal but in my helix? I can't seem to figure out how to do it and I've looked everywhere for a patch someone sells but can't find it.
Had the Helix LT for at least seven years I think. For me, it does the job, flexible, easy to use, small footprint while also having a built in expression pedal. I mainly use it for guitar, but also use it with my synths, electric violin and bass. So flexible and sounds great.
Just bought one. Mostly because I just wanted to be able to buy patches for songs rather than waste time making my own and I wanted one device to do almost everything.
People are freaking out about their Helix and then there's me, still using a pair of Zoom MS-50gs for my amps. People need to stop chasing the newest thing and be happier with what they already have! It is and will continue to be the best time ever to be a musician.
@@whiteeyezx5766 I would say chasing the newest gear is a fault, yeah. A common problem is people think buying something new will make them sound better. Usually, the problem is user error, not quality of equipment.
I've rocked my mx tele and hd500x in church for years now, Im happy with my current gear. If I have the opportunity to upgrade my pod I will def do it, but it doesnt stress me... I would prefer to slap a bigsby in my tele prior to my pedal upgrade.
I know when the Helix 2 is coming out!! When I finally decide to make the leap and purchase the Helix because I believe all the reports about nothing new coming other than firmware updates... The day after my return period has expired is when the Helix 2 is unveiled and hits the market...
Haven't watched anything from you guys for I-don't-know-how-many years. I guess none of us are getting any younger, viz. double chins and greying beards - never mind; see ya around 2029 😊😊😊
I bought my HX early 2020, and the deciding factor was that the floor controller for the AE-III was on backorder for weeks. Don't regret the decision one bit.
Had the Helix LT for almost half a decade but made the switch to the Quad Cortext last year. It is a great product but definitely needed an upgrade for me to keep it.
The Helix is the OG modeler and is absolutely still relevant. Line 6 just did it right. It’s built like a tank. It functions and sounds great! HX edit is a breeze to use. And the resources are virtually unlimited. The only platform I would say is truly better is Axe FX and it’s marginal and not worth the extra $$$ if you ask me. Just my humble opinion 😌 I have spoken 😂
Yes - our Cab/Speaker IR"s act as the speaker cabinet portion of the signal chain so you'd traditionally put them after an amp, or you could run some effects in between the amp block and IR block to emulate an amp's effects loop. Acoustic IR's are meant to be used without an amp block.
I remember from watching videos from Sean Haley - when the HD500x was out they were already working on Helix. In was in development for 5 years. So you can bet when they released Helix - they almost immediately started working on their strategic vision for what's next. They've been doing that now for 10 years. What's different than the old platforms is they have now build an entire ecosystem around Helix - so changing that means changing everything. That's probably why it's been this long. Whatever they do changes not just this Helix but everything based around it. Line 6 has always led the pack - whatever they do will be cool beyond all imaginable. If nothing else it will inspire changes to everything else.
Kid you not, we went down to Nashville last week and their were dudes playing chickin’ pickin’ chops at Ole Reds bar running straight through the Helix and it sounded 🔥
2024 - 2016 = 8, not 10. You called the platform 10 years old numerous times. The only real limitation of the Helix right now is that new features are DSP-heavy. Ryan Bruce (Riffs, Beards, and Gear) took his Fractal on tour because it had the DSP to run pitch shifting without eliminating other blocks. The new custom amps with the Boost controls are among the heaviest blocks in the device. So the old stuff doesn't sound any WORSE than it used to, but I'm struggling to rebuild my existing signal chains with the NEW features in them. I'm doing stereo 80s tones, Bradshaw rack-style. I can't use a bunch of the newest features because they're each the heaviest blocks of their type.
HELIX is nice! Guitar processors can make a big difference in sound depending on the CAB IR you use. actually there are many IR products on the market, but I think DYNAX IR has the best sound. As stated in their product description, DYNAX IR is really fast. When using IRs, the pick attack is sometimes delayed, and it is difficult to add picking nuances, but their IR prevents all of that. It's revolutionary!
Helix is the Apple of modelers. It's interface is easier than most and sounds pretty ok. Fractal Audio FM9 sounds better. Quad Cortex can capture, but they still haven't made good on the original promise of Native interface. I play tube amps at home (Marshall 30th Anniversary 6100 & Fender Supersonic 60 -- both modded). I have 2ct PRS MT-15s for stereo live where allowed. If I'm direct, I play "amp in a box" pedals (favorites: BE-OD, 9 knob Sweet Tea, Vertex SSS; favorite OD pedals : Tumnus Deluxe, Moonshine V2, Belle, & Morning Glory V3s). My biggest beef with modelers is that they don't keep their value and to play live, you better buy 2.
Here's a free one for Line 6 (and maybe someone has done this with some goofy hardware stuck to the guitar but still)... guitar modeling. Sort of like the capture process for an amp, have some sort of calibration process where a unit captures the sound of the guitar, and then does the math on the signal to process it into sounding like some other guitar. Let me get some strat neck pickup sounds, then hit a preset and I'm a hollowbody bridge filtertron.
I love my HX stomp - also loved my POD HD 500 - I cranked my Spider Valve HD (the tube amp) the other day and it sounded awesome. I think I will just stick with what I got lol.
I don't see them moving away from HX modelling and platform. It is very good, a "next gen" isn't needed. Are other things better? We can argue till the cows come home and it is pointless, all latest gen modelling sounds great these days. What you can't deny is L6 has the biggest market penetration. Their platform approach is unmatched by anyone else in the industry. Knowing that what I wouldn't be surprised to see is new flagship performance unit with just a UI and form factor refresh, and perhaps L6's own take on capture/matching tech. Everything else still the same HX we have today. Still maintaining compatibility across their existing line, continuing to evolve it. So not really Helix 2, but just a new member of the platform with maybe some special tricks.
Yeah, it's basically the software that drives the platform. I would like a hardware upgrade with more powerful DSPs, better converters, expanded or more flexible I/O and routing options, but I like the software as it is and L6's record of being able to release updates with newer models of vastly improved tech shows that what's needed isn't really a new platform but improved modelling details. Folks are waiting for the Helix 2 when we've been on Helix 3.71. What I'd like if anything is a robust software that can run in stand-alone mode as well as plug-in on whatever system, Mac, Win, Linux, iOS, Android, Chromebook. I'd rather that the next evolution of my rig would have me ditch a hardware floor or rack unit and run the next generation platform app on an iPad or laptop driven by an integrated audio interface/MIDI controller. I've used BFX2 Mobile and the XTone Pro to great success. I'd just rather use Helix sounds than BFX2.
this is the 3rd video I’ve seen this week talking exactly about this topic. I’m guessing there’s a new Line6 product by next week 🔮🤞
I would agree, but they immediately said that we should still buy the whole HX platform instead of moving on, so.... 🤷♂
Let's hope so! But I wouldn't hold my breath.
@@Hickeroar clean up the inventory before prices go down, sounds like a good liquidation plan 🤷♂️
Helix 2 coming out right after Half Life 3
@@Tool0GT92 top shelf comment right here 😂
In Naval Terms, Helix Floor is the Aircraft Carrier, Helix LT is a cruiser, Helix Stomp XL is light cruiser, Helix Stomp is a destroyer, Podgo is a frigate and the Express is a PT boat........
And the fender tone master is a sukhoi su57
And the Kemper is a Harrier jump jet
And the Axe FM9 is the starship Enterprise
what's Native?
@@pascaladesina got me on that one😊
literally just bought mine last week, i'll be devastated if they released helix 2 within a year...
Well you can't really blame Line6 if they do. You'll have many years to come with your unit, there is so much to explore. For most people The Helix is total overkill, not for me though 😁
@@christianboddum8783 nah bro no such thing as gear that's overkill, only gear that i can't afford
im still using a boss me80.. and im thinking about upgrading too a helix
best part is you can get them cheap right now on the used market.
Hands down the best platform I have ever owned. I see no reason to move on for the foreseeable future. If it ain't broke, don't fix I it!
Like the girl you fell in love with in high school and has raised your 3 children. Everyday, she is as beautiful as she was when she was a teenager. Helix; the perfect girl for you!
What wild is that I have been thinking this exact thing the last 2 weeks.
I think it’s time for a successor but there def needs to be Helix support for 5 years due to a number of units out there. I feel they need to focus on a smaller footprint with lots of power ala Stomp XL format but more engine power to last another 10 years.
why have these Helix Death videos appeared all at once? It feels as if Line6 paid everyone to sell as many Helixes as possible before they announce something new lol.
@6:12 - I think one of the big drivers of the uptick in sales might have something to do with some competitive products coming out that just aren't truly "better." When the TMP, QC, and Headrush Prime all release "cutting edge" new stuff, and many aspects of them just cant stand up to the 10 year old offering from Line6...people are going to adopt the thing that has a gargantuan ecosystem and undying fan support. Considering the age of the hardware in the Helix, it's got quite an impressive amount of power.
Sure, the QC has pedal and amp capturing, but if we're actually honest here, *almost* no one is going to be using that. The downsides of the QC otherwise, and it's disappointing DSP considering the theoretical limits it SHOULD have with its processing power....just drive people away. The market for capturing is vanishingly small, and there are better products out there for it. Too many people have pretty much *only* a multi-effects setup.
Dude looks like the lovechild of Eddie Trunk and Andy Richter
No you shouldn’t buy it. So that prices go down. And I can get one for super cheap. 😂😂 in all seriousness, I love the helix and I don’t think I ever will not. very excited for the future of Line 6.
lol yes 👊🏽
I bought the helix floor in 2018, and it's still amazing! All my bass and guitar tones come from the helix. Including several Worship Tutorial patches.
Highly recommended!!
it needs a big screen and touch option, more dsp, STANDARD 9 volt power supply with the ability to work with other gears WITHOUT humming and a USEABLE looper, etc..
They are the only ones out there who offers hardware with the same Helix at every price point.
😅😂
Yes it’s still relevant
The last 3 updates have improved the tones amps and effects exponentially.
Especially the cabs! I stopped using IRs because of how much better the cabs have gotten in the helix.
Same here
@@mikesmoviemadness24same in pod go ive heard!
@@mikesmoviemadness24 ...I was just about to mention the complete overhaul of the cabs - I think that was a really big deal.
Having bought the Helix when they first released it I am appreciative that I have gotten so much longevity out of it. WT patches have allowed me to get the sounds I want without re-creating the wheel. Thanks guys!
I got some… took me a bit to figure out but when I did 🎉
I bought mine about a year and a half ago and I would buy it again today.
I waited for so long because I had an HD500X that had just as much staying power as any.
The decision point was when Line6 started reducing HD series support for the Helix. So I would say that is my jumping off point, when Line6 stops supporting the Helix, then I’ll start worrying.
I hope when a version 2 comes, that it will seamlessly incorporate all your past presets and setlists.
I love the Helix floor for a solo musician. With the ability to have a microphone for vocals and a separate line for the guitar.....it is incredibly versatile.
I really wish they would add an acoustic amp model and the biggest wish would be some vocal effects like what TC Helicon does where the harmonizer will autodetect your guitar key and adjust the harmonizer to that. Be great to have a double vocal effect as well.
I absolutely love my Helix and with them constantly updating the Helix, these are possibilities I suppose....far fetched, but still possibilities. :)
I want a helix with more memory for irs and less limits when I program presets with snap shots. And more pedals and more amps and more speakers and more memory…. And also guitar emulations like fenders ultra tele and strat and gretsch h falcon. And AUTOTUNE AND something like a Daw lol
totally agree. The Helix was so well thought out in the form factor...way ahead of it's time and the combo of that great layout with the ever improving firmware and actual SOUNDS, in my opinion, makes it the best out there. A touch screen would be nice, but other than that, Helix is the chef's kiss
Personally, it's a great piece of gear. I would buy it over and over again. Although, I also have the HX Effects for smaller gigs.
Glad you mentioned the HX Effects. It's been off the Line 6 discussion forums for at least two years. It's all I have so I'm in a wait and see mode. I want to see sampling rate, processor and DRAM specifications comparisons before I make the next plunge.
DSP is an issue. It's about time. At least upgrade the dsp. Yamaha is so kind to keep on upgrading the software of the helix. But there's a point where developer can't upgrade/maximize the software using limited hardware capacity. It's like trying to shove 1OTB data into 1MB pendrive...
2:21 To be fair, if it has been 10 years, then Apple did released 10 new phones because they release a new one every single year... so yeah, that's A LOT of time for digital products.
I think I was considering the number they are on and not the in between models but yes! Haha
It's one of those bits of kit that will always sound great you could play it in 50 years and it'll still stack up because our ears don't change and it's already spot on so there isn't really much more a multi effects can give quality wise. Newer systems will just add weird and wonderful effects but the overall quality won't really move on much
Here i am at the end of 2024.....seriously considering getting one. BUT...what if a new one comes out in 2025 >
Nice sounds but thus u guys seem to be a preordered marketing video. There are so many great things out there and also cheaper. That big bulky box with the integrated wah volume is a no go for many of us. And then? The Stomp LX supposed to b a stand alone simple solution that should work for one man bands and small venues. No it does not work. Because its looper sucks both mechanically and software wise. I wrote about it on that side page of helix, many ppl commented it already. Line 6 does not give a shite for one man band scenarios.
I bought an LT used off reverb for $800 it showed up practically new. I absolutely love the thing it has enough processing power to run what I need so I really don’t need anything newer.
Great deals can be had! $800 is amazing!
When the Helix was released the HD500 felt ANCIENT, like it felt like possibly the most outdated product in the entire guitar market. 10 years on, the Helix doesn't feel new, but it doesn't feel old either. It also sounds really good, whereas the HD500, even the X, never sounded very good at all.
Helix saved you a ton of money from buying pedals and amps I have the helix
Now concerning those pedals and amps that I purchased I want my money back 😂
The couldn't get over the learning curve woth the Helix, so I sold it for the Fender TMP, much easier learning curve for a newb in the guitar world... That being said, Helix is still an awesome sounding unit. I don't understand why people hate on one unit to another, all of them have strengths and weaknesses. The fact that we have so many different types of modelers should be an indication that there's the right flavor for everyone. If the Helix is the one for you, right on brother! But if someone else likes the headrush, keeper, TMP better, don't put them down man, we're all here to enjoy music in a while we like to share it and play. All these units are great. No hate to any of them!!!
Hardwar is the biggest factor for an upgrade. Helix is basically a computer and 10 year old hardware is like a dinosaur for computers
Absolutely but! First, you should always invent unless you plan to be trampled over. And let's face it, as time advances, more and more absent features are becoming a handicap compared to the norm that evolved, like the wirelessly connecting with app, more DSP, touch screen, improving form factors and weight, tone matching, and obviously some major cutting-edge things that are essential in order to stay competitive.
If I was Line 6, the Helix isn't what I'd really be concentrating on in regard to the "next step", figuratively speaking...I'd be focusing on a next level Variax...If they could make a Variax with a wireless pack...like plug one end into your variax transmitter that you could wear, and the receiver into the Variax port, and really refine the way a variax sounds, like pickup modeling of say Fishman Fluence single coil and humbucker pickups, make the guitar play like an Ibanez AZ...have a 24 and 22 fret version, and maybe even equip it with Fishman Fluence pickups (I don't work for Fishman...guess I should put that in here...haha!), make them with roasted maple necks and well dressed stainless steel frets, I don't see why something like that wouldn't take off...and also really focus on their acoustic guitar modeling for the Variax...
I'm a long-time user of the Helix Floor and HX Stomp XL. I'll buy the next version of the Helix Floor when it comes out. Line 6 has to keep the next version within the Helix universe. There are too many customers with years of time invested in the presets. They need to add DSP and fix the preset leveling problem. Needs to have some built in system to balance volume across presets. Also its hard to understand whey they have so many terrible stock presets when there are so many good customized ones on the market.
Another idea: Line 6 TONE COACH - ai generated pedal/parameter layouts within an effects unit. Type in a prompt on the software like "Worship guitar patch with octave synth" and then ai creates a patch.
Psychologists need to ask guitarists why they have this obsession of constantly moving on?
They love one of their guitars and they love the amp or digital box they're gigging with but every couple of months they get bored with themselves and so the moving on syndrome begins.
Or people at their gigs have been telling them they sound fantastic, awesome tone, then one night some guy tells them your tone sounds very thin, what you playing through.
Ooh boy, disaster, time to sell my Helix, or my Kemper, or my ToneX and buy the all new digital box that makes a 3.7% more accurate Capture or Profile than what I'm currently using.
Meanwhile every digital box they buy and sell they end up tweaking to sound exactly like they always sound, their tone.
And you watch their gig and they sound exactly the same as they sounded a week earlier with the previous rig..
And no, the Strymon Timeline you're now using for delay sounds exactly the same as your digital box delay in the mix through the PA.
Even if there is a new Helix 2.0 that comes out, the original Helix still sounds fantastic! I actually was late to the game. My church has had them for quite some time, but I just recently (in january-ish) bought one. I love it. The possibilities are endless!
That's what everyone said about the Pod.
Ok… staying relevant is a challenge with this stuff. Analogy to Apple phones is backwards. These modelers are attempting to use new tech to sound OLD. Eventually there is no where left to go. AXE is really already there.
I kinda miss my LT! I have a QC now and love it. But I really did enjoy the Helix and loved the desktop app. Made everything so easy and it sounded awesome
The helix can kick rocks with everything the QC does especially now. Effects were better on helix but everything else on the QC far surpasses the hekic
I just want a new stomp that drowns in DSP so I can go crazy with the number of effects and do dual amps with tons of reverbs and delay.
If you say that a modeling device is obsolete, then you are saying that the underlying pedals, etc., are also obsolete. I don't think that will ever happen with any of these modern modelers.
Yamaha is a Japanese company who is trying to slow down the pace of change, all the while increasing the value for the customer base.
To me the question is about price. It's not like a computer where tech is rapidly advancing all the time and you need xyz component to run software. Electric guitar is still going to be electric guitar. Hell even older analog pedals still hold value.
Definitely still relevant... my gear outclasses my guitar skills LOL
I think they need to make an amp pedal with the same kind of interface the HX ONE has. They should make it so you can run dual amps with multiple effects units. That would be killer for people that have effects the love already and that want to run a dual amp rig.
My 2015 Helix had a couple faulty switches so I sold it to buy.... a Platinum Edition Helix :D
Why move on when this already does everything I’ll ever need it to? And have it setup the way I want it?
I wish the Helix Floor was a bit lighter though… but then I remember the big ‘ol pedalboard and amps and say “nah, I’m good, it was worse then”.
5:22 thats actually a lie. You have to sign a disclosure paper before and they show you stuff. It was the same with thr helix stomp before it got released. So, matter of fakt, dont bullsh*t people 😂
I joined the Helix party super late. Like last Summer late. I think i'll have this device for 10 years before changing to something else tbh.
Please don't stop making videos ur videos are great
Thank you!
The problem is always the money we have, I think it is a good pedalboard but due to its age and what it still costs, there are cheaper options. nux, headrush etc etc are cheaper and good options for most of us who play (and those who play in a church)
Helix still sounds so good, that even if there was a "Helix 2", it wouldn't make your Helix 1 sound worse? If they keep updating Helix, what's wrong with it? It's DSP, it's programmed modelling, it doesn't become obsolete. The only thing that could happen is eventually models take up so much DSP that the user is limited in choice. This only limits you, doesn't make it sound bad.
Yeah, i think for gears it's more like the mixers too, look at X32/M32 or any other digital mixers they're still relevant even after decades+ that they've been released
Helix wishlist:
-native Dante support (or a card option) that supports LCR wet/dry out
-more DSP
-more snapshots per preset
-variable rate tremolo (like that one pedal Brad has)
-better signal-chain visuals, especially for amps and cabs
-photos of the amps being played
-fixing that knob to the right of the screen with push to select
-WT amp captures included out the box
Just release a new one with more powerful hardware and a touchscreen. Then shut up and take my money!
How do we know brian and brad aren't being held captive at line 6 and these are thier modelers.
Why are people still playing Teles and Strats, not only that but wanting to play ones made over 50 years ago?
Would you guys have any idea on how to make a patch that makes your helix a click tracks midi controller like the looptimus pedal but in my helix? I can't seem to figure out how to do it and I've looked everywhere for a patch someone sells but can't find it.
Have not messed with that but believe it’s possible to some extent. Maybe join the Helix Worship Team Users on FB and ask there!
Had the Helix LT for at least seven years I think. For me, it does the job, flexible, easy to use, small footprint while also having a built in expression pedal. I mainly use it for guitar, but also use it with my synths, electric violin and bass. So flexible and sounds great.
line 6 are operating like Drz who have moved from reproducing historic copies to the new sound
Line 6 should make a new firmware for the guitarist that still have the hd500x
The Helix needs a built in wireless receiver for the Relay transmitter!!
Just bought one. Mostly because I just wanted to be able to buy patches for songs rather than waste time making my own and I wanted one device to do almost everything.
It's still relevant but they almost surely must have a successor in the works
This click bait headline BS is getting tired…not even gonna watch because of it
And i got a helix LT for $330USD 🤣
A beast!
I just bought a mint pod go for $275. It will be gigged.
People are freaking out about their Helix and then there's me, still using a pair of Zoom MS-50gs for my amps.
People need to stop chasing the newest thing and be happier with what they already have! It is and will continue to be the best time ever to be a musician.
This. 👆
It's not a fault. new gears always make people happy
@@whiteeyezx5766 I would say chasing the newest gear is a fault, yeah. A common problem is people think buying something new will make them sound better. Usually, the problem is user error, not quality of equipment.
I've rocked my mx tele and hd500x in church for years now, Im happy with my current gear. If I have the opportunity to upgrade my pod I will def do it, but it doesnt stress me... I would prefer to slap a bigsby in my tele prior to my pedal upgrade.
I made my helix freeze 🥶. Three times.
I’m fine if you want to offload one to me. I’ll give you $100 😂
I know when the Helix 2 is coming out!!
When I finally decide to make the leap and purchase the Helix because I believe all the reports about nothing new coming other than firmware updates... The day after my return period has expired is when the Helix 2 is unveiled and hits the market...
Well hop to it. Millions of people would appreciate you taking steps to make it happen 😂
Haven't watched anything from you guys for I-don't-know-how-many years.
I guess none of us are getting any younger, viz. double chins and greying beards - never mind; see ya around 2029 😊😊😊
We'll wait 5 more years for more disparaging comments about our appearances 😅😂
I bought my HX early 2020, and the deciding factor was that the floor controller for the AE-III was on backorder for weeks. Don't regret the decision one bit.
Problem with the axiii is the input stage. Hx is way superior and I played both for over a year daily for couple of hours.
Good so the price drops and becomes the best cheap pedal you can buy
It is like this, if you have what works for you, it is relevant.
Ive an old podhd500 and i still enjoy it very much in my jazz chorus 120’🤙 yamaha product are great! The line 6 branch rocks!
Me using a Zoom G3x at my local church 😅
At the end of the day no one cares what gear you use.
Meanwhile me, still using a pod hd pro much older than the helix and still getting great sounds out of it
Hey we love that! Good on ya!
helix 2 just needs like 4 x dsp then it would be worth it lol
How about the HX STomp XL is it still relevant? Not only the Helix?
Absolutely
The helix it’s like the lespaul it’s here for ever
They really need to get one out with an updated DSP
Had the Helix LT for almost half a decade but made the switch to the Quad Cortext last year. It is a great product but definitely needed an upgrade for me to keep it.
Which do you prefer?
The Helix is the OG modeler and is absolutely still relevant. Line 6 just did it right. It’s built like a tank. It functions and sounds great! HX edit is a breeze to use. And the resources are virtually unlimited. The only platform I would say is truly better is Axe FX and it’s marginal and not worth the extra $$$ if you ask me. Just my humble opinion 😌 I have spoken 😂
More dsp added via usb or something.
Yes yes and yes
If I buy an IR from you do I have to put an amp before it?
Yes - our Cab/Speaker IR"s act as the speaker cabinet portion of the signal chain so you'd traditionally put them after an amp, or you could run some effects in between the amp block and IR block to emulate an amp's effects loop.
Acoustic IR's are meant to be used without an amp block.
I remember from watching videos from Sean Haley - when the HD500x was out they were already working on Helix. In was in development for 5 years. So you can bet when they released Helix - they almost immediately started working on their strategic vision for what's next. They've been doing that now for 10 years. What's different than the old platforms is they have now build an entire ecosystem around Helix - so changing that means changing everything. That's probably why it's been this long. Whatever they do changes not just this Helix but everything based around it.
Line 6 has always led the pack - whatever they do will be cool beyond all imaginable. If nothing else it will inspire changes to everything else.
Kid you not, we went down to Nashville last week and their were dudes playing chickin’ pickin’ chops at Ole Reds bar running straight through the Helix and it sounded 🔥
Is there anything for headrush?
I just doubled down, swapping out an Iridium for a 2nd stomp. One for pure amp/tone, one for wet. So far love the added options.
All my analog gears are already posted for sale so I can buy my own Helix Floor. Old or not, I'm getting one.😂
2024 - 2016 = 8, not 10. You called the platform 10 years old numerous times. The only real limitation of the Helix right now is that new features are DSP-heavy. Ryan Bruce (Riffs, Beards, and Gear) took his Fractal on tour because it had the DSP to run pitch shifting without eliminating other blocks. The new custom amps with the Boost controls are among the heaviest blocks in the device. So the old stuff doesn't sound any WORSE than it used to, but I'm struggling to rebuild my existing signal chains with the NEW features in them. I'm doing stereo 80s tones, Bradshaw rack-style. I can't use a bunch of the newest features because they're each the heaviest blocks of their type.
HELIX is nice! Guitar processors can make a big difference in sound depending on the CAB IR you use.
actually there are many IR products on the market, but I think DYNAX IR has the best sound. As stated in their product description, DYNAX IR is really fast. When using IRs, the pick attack is sometimes delayed, and it is difficult to add picking nuances, but their IR prevents all of that. It's revolutionary!
Helix is the Apple of modelers. It's interface is easier than most and sounds pretty ok. Fractal Audio FM9 sounds better. Quad Cortex can capture, but they still haven't made good on the original promise of Native interface.
I play tube amps at home (Marshall 30th Anniversary 6100 & Fender Supersonic 60 -- both modded). I have 2ct PRS MT-15s for stereo live where allowed. If I'm direct, I play "amp in a box" pedals (favorites: BE-OD, 9 knob Sweet Tea, Vertex SSS; favorite OD pedals : Tumnus Deluxe, Moonshine V2, Belle, & Morning Glory V3s).
My biggest beef with modelers is that they don't keep their value and to play live, you better buy 2.
Here's a free one for Line 6 (and maybe someone has done this with some goofy hardware stuck to the guitar but still)... guitar modeling. Sort of like the capture process for an amp, have some sort of calibration process where a unit captures the sound of the guitar, and then does the math on the signal to process it into sounding like some other guitar. Let me get some strat neck pickup sounds, then hit a preset and I'm a hollowbody bridge filtertron.
Line 6 does this with their Variax guitars. Not sure about captures, but they do have guitar modelling from what i've seen.
It exists, It’s just called Variax
I love my HX stomp - also loved my POD HD 500 - I cranked my Spider Valve HD (the tube amp) the other day and it sounded awesome. I think I will just stick with what I got lol.
I don't see them moving away from HX modelling and platform. It is very good, a "next gen" isn't needed. Are other things better? We can argue till the cows come home and it is pointless, all latest gen modelling sounds great these days. What you can't deny is L6 has the biggest market penetration. Their platform approach is unmatched by anyone else in the industry. Knowing that what I wouldn't be surprised to see is new flagship performance unit with just a UI and form factor refresh, and perhaps L6's own take on capture/matching tech. Everything else still the same HX we have today. Still maintaining compatibility across their existing line, continuing to evolve it. So not really Helix 2, but just a new member of the platform with maybe some special tricks.
Yeah, it's basically the software that drives the platform. I would like a hardware upgrade with more powerful DSPs, better converters, expanded or more flexible I/O and routing options, but I like the software as it is and L6's record of being able to release updates with newer models of vastly improved tech shows that what's needed isn't really a new platform but improved modelling details. Folks are waiting for the Helix 2 when we've been on Helix 3.71. What I'd like if anything is a robust software that can run in stand-alone mode as well as plug-in on whatever system, Mac, Win, Linux, iOS, Android, Chromebook. I'd rather that the next evolution of my rig would have me ditch a hardware floor or rack unit and run the next generation platform app on an iPad or laptop driven by an integrated audio interface/MIDI controller. I've used BFX2 Mobile and the XTone Pro to great success. I'd just rather use Helix sounds than BFX2.