I have the dual screen LG V60. It's definitely bulky but it seems like the best of both worlds for now. A dual screen quasi tablet multitasking beast when you need it and a more traditional modern spec phone when you don't. I feel the Samsung Fold approach will ultimately win out in this category as the tech improves and gets thinner and less cumbersome. For now however, I paid $450 for the V60 dual screen on a T-mobile BOGO promo and for that price my dual screen option is the winner for me!
I really don't get why the LG phones don't get as much love and attention. As you said, they have some advantages and have the best of both worlds. Plus it's not like the others have a particularly high bar and when you get it at 1/3 or 1/4 the price of the others, the compromises seem ok to me
If you want a Galaxy Fold I have absolutely no reservations in recommending them. I've had one now for a year and it's worked brilliantly and very productively. It's totally transformed my mobile experience. The screen is as pristine as the day I bought it, the fold still looks the same and virtually undetectable and everything about it has worked 100% every time. It's undoubtedly the best phone I've ever had. But I'll certainly upgrade it to the Fold 2 when that becomes available in the UK as the front screen is bigger and the inside one is bigger too.
I bought the LG V60 because with a pen and two working screen - I can get things done. Two apps at once, answer emails while looking at other content. It does work and works well.
@@beavenjnr4187 those who think LG doesn't make good phones have never really used them. I had the V20 for over 3 years. Amazing phone that was a true workhorse. It still fires up and can handle most any task.
I looked at others, but I too just bought the V60. 5000mah battery and price can't be beat as this is a powerful phone. Also, I got the Factory Unlocked version too so can stay with Tracfone $20/mo plan
@Kostas T TH-cam on one screen while checking Twitter etc on the other. Most videos on TH-cam are filled with so much filler content you don't really have to be paying full attention at all times.
It seems like every TH-cam channel wants to talk about the price of these Samsung devices being outlandish. I traded in a old note device and now the fold is much closer to the cost of the note 20 ultra. I understand the note 20 ultra is still rather expensive but this device gives me a phone and a tablet in one. I am a truck driver and travel often so I look forward to having a phone that lets me cut down on other electronics that I need to pack and charge! Now thanks to Microsoft and the Samsung fold I will be able to play my Xbox games as well! The other thing to consider is when the fold is in phone mode, I should be able to do most everything one handed. As someone who has valued the note series for having a large screen at all times I have not been able to one hand a phone since 2012. I look forward to not having to compromise! Add SD card support, an IPA rating, and figure out a way that I can use an s pen on the soft screen and I think the fold will be perfect! I also love the surface duo however it needs a lot more! It needs better cameras, wireless charging, a IPA rating, and the newest processors. It has already figured out the pen though! All I am saying is I look forward to the future and where we are headed with these innovations! I truly believe that these devices will have a lot of different uses for a lot of different people based on there needs.
I'm following that same thought. Fortunately I've manage to collect an iPhone X and a galaxy note 10. Both owned outright and can help drastically reduce that 2K price.
@@alldayballin01 Wow Semsies! I also have the iphone X and the Note 10+ I was using the same iPhone X and the small(er) Note 10 last year tho before I "upgraded" to the Plus in Feb But that Samsung trade-in is looking mighty tempting.....problem being,, I'm a two phone guy and carrying a Fold alongside a second phone would probably give me a walking impairment Lol
Dieter and Mrmobile have two of the most convincing voices/scripts in the tech market. Don't always agree, but everytime I watch these reviews I go "Damn, I should've bought that one."
The most useful / most convincing use case I’ve seen for these types of devices is the demo Microsoft had with the Surface Duo, where they showed a Microsoft Teams video call that used the duo on its side, with the four talking heads of the video call on the top screen and the presentation slides on the bottom screen. This let you watch the slides and interact on the video call on two fairly large screens at the same time.
lg is the best because u can convert it to a normal phone... and u can have 2 screens whenever u want.... and cheap every phone needs a screen case option
Loved the video, just a nitpick, I felt like the background music was more active and distracting than I'm used to from you guys. Otherwise great job as always.
Foldable phones have been such a conundrum but have always been some thing on my mind and I really appreciate seeing the verges review. As an artist, I find myself working with mobile art software but always limited by the size of a small screen. So have a foldable phone seems like a great idea in theory, if I didn’t break my wallet. But with the price even higher than a tablet and phone together, There doesn’t seem to be much incentive to buy one. There doesn’t seem to be much incentive to buy one. At another point, my friends were mocking the phones comparing some of the following phones to their Nintendo DS, but it was a great year in theory, having an experimental gamepad, but with no other purpose. I really hope phones that fold can penetrate markets of different economic levels and expand outside the niches, it’s really exciting to see the developments over the past few years!!
This is so true. The minute these foldables launch at a regular phone pricepoint, I will get myself one. This would replace whatever the ipad mini is for. 🙂
Z-flip = a foldable smartphone Z-fold2 = a foldable tablet Surface Duo = two tablets linked together Well I don't see the use in the Surface.. If you just carry two of those cheaper tablets, you can even detach two screens when you wanna multi-task. And you can share one device to your friend. You still have a tablet left even if some one steals one. How dope is that? LG at least got the price right
I can't wait for these. I walk a lot from place to place for my job and do not want to carry a backpack w/laptop or a tablet around to send information or edit any information that is necessary. DEX is great too.
I loved my purple Lotus LG flip phone and so anxiously waiting for a similar product to be durable enough to go back to the same form factor (small square). So, I keep watching how the Z Flip continues to evolve.
LG wins for still including an SD card and headphone jack. Really hope the next versions of the Galaxy Fold bring it back but I'm not holding my breath.
I love the concept, I wish Apple would adapt it. People should have the option to get a folding screen, it has all the benefits with very little draw backs (asides from the whole seam down the middle).
G. Fernandez If these take off successfully then they will. Apple may already have a design in the works but is staying silent on the issue as they test it. As much as Apple enjoys hype, they usually play things safe by only announcing their projects on the cusp of releasing them.
Excellent job presenting the current foldable landscape and presenting the signature devices. I really enjoyed Dieter in the video, and for me, that's saying something. I'm usually a bit leery of his articles and videos on non-Apple devices because he has often come across as an antagonist in my opinion. This was great for me. Real perspective with good information and just the right amount of opinion and humor. Thanks.
It's too early for foldable phones. There, done. In 5 years we'll be laughing at the design of the Z fold 2. That being said, I don't think folding phones will replace normal phones any time soon. From a materials perspective (speaking as someone who knows a fair bit about glass and crystal chemistry and synthesis), we are really no where near the level we need to be at before foldable displays become durable enough for the mainstream. It needs a revolution in materials science, and while I know of a few things that are currently looking promising, they are a long way off mass production. In terms of durability, cost and the needs of average people, candy bar phone design will dominate for a long time to come.
If phones like these do eventually take off, I could see people begin referring to their devices by names other than phones. That or “phone” will simply lose all meaning and people in the future will look back on telephones as completely alien devices because of how muddled the definition’s become.
Review of the Microsoft Surface Duo. Actually, using the Surface stylus integration and day to day use with the stylus. Also, can you sketch, paint, draw etc.? We’re all very curious about that.
I usually use my phone on dual screen mode. I like having two apps open and do stuff at the same time. Duo is for me. Although I wish the gap was smaller because having it as a one screen for media viewing is kinda difficult right now. Unless you lose yourself on the movie and the gap is no issue I don't know
I hope that Flip Fold Phone becomes the industry standard. I love that idea and it’s not too far removed from user experience right now, so familiarity for the end user helps push the solutions for a folding phone’s engineering challenges
No all tech reviewers always say negative about apple.When iphone x was launched everyone was saying about price but when samsung launched note 20 a 1500 dollar no one said nothing.
I’ve used an iPad mini at home, nearly everyday for five years. I do t have a keyboard case for it, and I don’t have it in a cover. Ive never wanted to fold it in half. Come to think of it, I use it at home, but I don’t think I’ve ever amen it to work or away from home - I have my phone for that. That being said, I do have a laptop with a 360° hinge, and I do take that out of the house. I’ve used it at coffee shops and offices, and people always look a little shocked when I hand them a pen, fold it over backwards, hand it to them and ask them to sign a document. I can see this working even better on the (unreleased) Surface Neo.
San Diago Not like phones at all, they’re like cars , not phones cars mate . . . cars. Nothing to do with phone . . . Like cars. Keep telling you CARS.
@San Diago Phones are not like phones they're like cars. Keep telling you. Cars. Nothing to do with phones, stop saying phones. They'll like cars. Okay don't say phones again . . .
@San Diago What! I can't believe you just said that. I told you never to say phones again. Say phones just one more time . . . I dare you, I double dare you (name that movie) .
Because "normal phone you flip shut" and "thick phone you unfold into a tablet" are so different, I don't see those going away. I CAN see the "two separate screens" idea going away if we can get the hinges and screens material high enough in foldable screens; then there may just be either with or without external screen flavors... although I can also see the two screened guys getting a foothold with a good physical keyboard, that would be more difficult to implement on the single screen devices! The Neo should be particularly interesting...
Ignoring LG and not even mentioning the MateX?.. So much biases from those "tech reviewers". The fold2 is paving the way for the future, but the Lg Velvet is the one that makes more sense right now, versatile, good for multi-tasking and way more affordable.
For me i like Z Fold2 more than the Duo, i mean you can have multitasking on the Z fold without the gap between the two screens, and you have a outside screen to do something quick like sending a message, check the weather, and you have a big screen to enjoy TH-cam/Netflix
I literally just pre-ordered the Z Fold 2. I use my tablet and phone a lot and it's cumbersome to carry them around plus then I have to get a case to stand them up when I'm watching media or showing content so having both in one is very convenient. I multitask a lot too and having those multitasking features is very good for me. If I bought a tab s7, and a galaxy note 20 it would cost as much or more than the z fold 2 so its worth it
I like the Samsung Galaxy Flip but I believe that foldable phone technology is too immature to use. I generally prefer normal Samsung Android Phones like s20. The foldable phones are overpriced.
Galaxy S Flip is just more compact in your pocket. Other than that, I don't really see the difference between that and the normal standard android phone. Definitely overpriced. And fragile too.
Dieter: with the original Fold, since the cover display was so small, your interactions were brief with it. But with Fold2, and its bigger front display, are you finding yourself spending more time on the cover display, thus negating this idea of having to use the phone more intentionally, like with Fold 1?
And how many times people will want to actually open the screens now. Unless gaming or reading a book, I hardly see people, on average, bothering with the bigger screen.
To anyone complaining about the crease on Samsung foldables: Do YOU ever PURPOSELY browse the web, watch a video, etc on your glass screen phone or tablet and think to yourself: "Let me make sure I have indoor lighting or outdoor sunlight shining or reflecting DIRECTLY on my screen while I use it."??? If your answer is NO, then the crease won't be visible on the Z Fold 2 under normal usage just like it's not visible on the 1st gen Galaxy Fold or the Z Flip under normal usage.
I want Duo to be in my bag when I am on the go. All I need is my bluetooth headset and maybe a smartwatch for more interactivity. Then when I have the time, or on the train etc. I can open up my Duo and use it. This would help reducing the compulsive need to touch and use my smartphone for sure.
I think the most sensible in terms of practical of usage one is Surface Duo. Oh and also saying LG way of folding thick is ..misleading? It’s also could interpreted as a very thin if you remove the case since it is also a folding capable device with flexibility that could be thinner without it’s 2nd screen.
I don't keep my phone in my bag, though, so while a Flip is cool in concept, it's not very practical 'cause it would just stand out more in my pocket where there's already plenty of vertical space. I like the Fold idea more 'cause it gives you a screen size that you otherwise wouldn't be able to carry as easily, but it's still a little too thick
Your point about closing the phone and being done with it... that being an intentional act... is brilliant and something I never thought of before. Great observation! Love your vidoes!!!
The duo is to wide to fit in my pocket. The Z Fold 2 is too thick to fit in my pocket. The Z Flip is the phone best suited to me. However... Slim down those bezels on the Duo till they're barely an inconvenience, stick three screens instead of two, so it's a proper Z shaped design and keep that nice slimness and you'd have a proper sized phone that worked as a proper sized tablet. That would be a phone worth spending ks on.
Dieter, could you talk more about ergonomics on both reviews? About using them both in folded and unfolded modes and usability in that regard, it seems there's a lot to debate in this area
I love how you compared the Duo experience to using two devices at once. Can you compare it to using an ipad and a phone at the same time? Because that's what people usually do.
Issue is that duo isn't a tablet replacement It's more of a two things at the same time... That's why fold is better but the price is still way too high
I think the line between the dual screen and big fold phone is going to blur more in future. The dual screen will reduce the gap between screen more (maybe using edge corner). And with the Z Fold2 flex mode, this means apps are going to be optimized with separation in exactly the middle. Unfortunately, that'll also make another fold concept less desireable, like those with 3x fold or folding not in middle equally, because no apps are going to optimize for that form factor.
I despise the current phone slab design precisely because I'm constantly desiring to have two apps open at once. When I'm writing notes on a screenplay I love to pull up images or quick jump into Google to do a quick bit of research. When I'm watching a product review on TH-cam, I like to quickly check the current pricing on Amazon, B&H Photo, Adorama, etc. Checking email is a hassle because I prefer a flyout window to read the actual email content while keeping the list of emails visible. Microsoft Edge has this cool Collections feature that I use on the Desktop and phone allowing me to organize my research and key links. I keep Collections open in the Edge browser on the desktop. I wish I could do the same on mobile.
The thing is: I want to want one. That's it. I would love to need one but still don't get how the folding features available now can really improve my life and justify the price tag.
I constantly use the multitasking/split screen function of Windows 10 on my desktop. I VERY RARELY use less than 2, but often use 3 or 4 apps on my huge monitor at once.
I don't understand why LG is dismissed like that? I mean technically you can do the same things you do on the other 'true foldables' on the LG too, right. Am I missing something?
What do you want to know about the Z Fold 2 or Duo?
Z Fold 2 by miles.
Surface Duo is just over glorified By Microsoft Phone Users (Yes all 5)
Z fold 2
Nothing. Except, when is it going away 🤣🤣😂😂
Z Fold 2, will it work for longer time and a lot of folding ?
NICE VID 👍👍👍👍, GREAT ONE 👍👍
DDDUUUOO
What folding phones have to
1. Lowering the price
2. Scratches at level 6 and deeper grooves at level 7
With plenty of quirks and features.
@@kensebben1 *Doug Demuro wants to know your location so you can tell him where MKBHD is located*
This was so dead.
2nd point doesn't apply on duo, though.
@@LogicalError007 Exactly!
Whoops, Dieter accidentally showed off the software experience on the Duo in the first couple of seconds of the video.
Those clips were from the year ago when Tom Warren got to look at it.
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@@wpyke 0:11
watch again
I see it now , thanks guys
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I have the dual screen LG V60. It's definitely bulky but it seems like the best of both worlds for now. A dual screen quasi tablet multitasking beast when you need it and a more traditional modern spec phone when you don't.
I feel the Samsung Fold approach will ultimately win out in this category as the tech improves and gets thinner and less cumbersome. For now however, I paid $450 for the V60 dual screen on a T-mobile BOGO promo and for that price my dual screen option is the winner for me!
Why do reviewers only look at the LG Velvet and not the more powerful, 8k recording, Pen stylus LG V60 which costs $800 and has a Snapdragon 865?
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI The Velvet supports stylus too
I really don't get why the LG phones don't get as much love and attention. As you said, they have some advantages and have the best of both worlds. Plus it's not like the others have a particularly high bar and when you get it at 1/3 or 1/4 the price of the others, the compromises seem ok to me
All phones should have screen cases.
@@JagannathMoorthy no doubt, especially considering the price point. Funny to see analysts drift so far out from reality
If you want a Galaxy Fold I have absolutely no reservations in recommending them. I've had one now for a year and it's worked brilliantly and very productively. It's totally transformed my mobile experience. The screen is as pristine as the day I bought it, the fold still looks the same and virtually undetectable and everything about it has worked 100% every time. It's undoubtedly the best phone I've ever had. But I'll certainly upgrade it to the Fold 2 when that becomes available in the UK as the front screen is bigger and the inside one is bigger too.
I bought the LG V60 because with a pen and two working screen - I can get things done. Two apps at once, answer emails while looking at other content. It does work and works well.
i honestly do not understand why he gave it so much hate especially looking at what it can do for how much it cost. he really gave it a bad look
@@beavenjnr4187 those who think LG doesn't make good phones have never really used them. I had the V20 for over 3 years. Amazing phone that was a true workhorse. It still fires up and can handle most any task.
I think a lot of tech reviewers downplay the role of cost in reviewing devices because they seldom pay for the phones themselves.
@@beavenjnr4187 because he likes apple, I've a apple too but for this guy never it's good any other product
I looked at others, but I too just bought the V60. 5000mah battery and price can't be beat as this is a powerful phone. Also, I got the Factory Unlocked version too so can stay with Tracfone $20/mo plan
I really hope the Microsoft design takes a hold. I think it's perfect for how I use or want to use my phone.
@Kostas T I hadn't thought of that 🤔 but I think I'd use one of the screens in landscape
@Kostas T if the bezel was thinner, youtube would of been perfect...
@Kostas T TH-cam on one screen while checking Twitter etc on the other. Most videos on TH-cam are filled with so much filler content you don't really have to be paying full attention at all times.
It seems like every TH-cam channel wants to talk about the price of these Samsung devices being outlandish. I traded in a old note device and now the fold is much closer to the cost of the note 20 ultra. I understand the note 20 ultra is still rather expensive but this device gives me a phone and a tablet in one. I am a truck driver and travel often so I look forward to having a phone that lets me cut down on other electronics that I need to pack and charge! Now thanks to Microsoft and the Samsung fold I will be able to play my Xbox games as well! The other thing to consider is when the fold is in phone mode, I should be able to do most everything one handed. As someone who has valued the note series for having a large screen at all times I have not been able to one hand a phone since 2012. I look forward to not having to compromise! Add SD card support, an IPA rating, and figure out a way that I can use an s pen on the soft screen and I think the fold will be perfect! I also love the surface duo however it needs a lot more! It needs better cameras, wireless charging, a IPA rating, and the newest processors. It has already figured out the pen though! All I am saying is I look forward to the future and where we are headed with these innovations! I truly believe that these devices will have a lot of different uses for a lot of different people based on there needs.
Listen to this man!
@@kenbee1957 I guess I'll have to make my own channel hahaha
I'm following that same thought. Fortunately I've manage to collect an iPhone X and a galaxy note 10. Both owned outright and can help drastically reduce that 2K price.
@@joemiester31
Call it TruckerReviews
@@alldayballin01
Wow
Semsies!
I also have the iphone X and the Note 10+
I was using the same iPhone X and the small(er) Note 10 last year tho before I "upgraded" to the Plus in Feb
But that Samsung trade-in is looking mighty tempting.....problem being,, I'm a two phone guy and carrying a Fold alongside a second phone would probably give me a walking impairment Lol
Always love how the verge put on the 'why' question in the beginning of the video. It lets us think for a second why we want to see the video
Dieter just broke 35 NDAs and 43 embargoes.
Dieter: ... and this, is Microsoft surface duo. It is grey.
...the only one of the three that seems remotely from the future. It's as much of a laptop replacement as an iPad Pro! Which is to say, not really.
Nekoni 😂
@@branpurn yeah
Brandon two phones duct taped together voila innovation
@@thewhitewolf1148 That would be LG's 'foldable'
when i frist heard of the ms duo i tought they are being lazy turns out after seeing what it is meant for i kinda love it
Dieter and Mrmobile have two of the most convincing voices/scripts in the tech market. Don't always agree, but everytime I watch these reviews I go "Damn, I should've bought that one."
The most useful / most convincing use case I’ve seen for these types of devices is the demo Microsoft had with the Surface Duo, where they showed a Microsoft Teams video call that used the duo on its side, with the four talking heads of the video call on the top screen and the presentation slides on the bottom screen. This let you watch the slides and interact on the video call on two fairly large screens at the same time.
Man, Dieter's writing skills are superb. Great video!
lg is the best because u can convert it to a normal phone... and u can have 2 screens whenever u want.... and cheap
every phone needs a screen case option
Agreed. It straight up beats the Microsoft duo.
Don't forget a lot more durable than these fragile foldables. Less thick when you take your phone out of the case too.
It's OK Dieter, you can call phones and tablets "computers" because they are. Always have been.
Wait, it's all computers?
But, what is a computer?
@@kyellebantog7720 always has been
The Verge knows all about computers lol
@@kappaboss233 Oh God, not this again. I think Dieter and his colleagues have more than proven their merit, don't you think?
"They FOLD like this" ! I think you meant they UNFOLD like this 😎
Loved the video, just a nitpick, I felt like the background music was more active and distracting than I'm used to from you guys. Otherwise great job as always.
Microsft: "Don't show the phone on"
Dieter: "Got it. Let me go ahead and do the opposite of that multiple times"
Those were from footage from other previews when it was allowed.
That's Microsoft Duo official photos.
@@RavishKumar-ue7eg true
@@RavishKumar-ue7eg 00:11
@@zenithquasar9623 00:11
Just use a flip cover to intentionally close your phone!!
3:50 excellent attention to details.
That's exactly what I like about this guy.
Let me tell you this is the best review on the foldable phones as it really explains the purpose of different visions.
This is THE BEST explanation of "foldables" I've come across. Great job, Dieter!
I genuinely love your idea of folding phones making everything an intentional act. Can't wait to buy one and change my habbits
RIP Motorola RAZER, couldn't even be featured in a video about folding, flip phones.
Motorola doesn't pay reviewers enough to be features
Hmmm, my preference would be for something that lies somewhere between the LG Velvet and the Surface Duo.
Dieter doing the Duo review is all I needed to hear😊
I'm still waiting for us to get the tri-fold tablets from Westworld.
Foldable phones have been such a conundrum but have always been some thing on my mind and I really appreciate seeing the verges review.
As an artist, I find myself working with mobile art software but always limited by the size of a small screen. So have a foldable phone seems like a great idea in theory, if I didn’t break my wallet. But with the price even higher than a tablet and phone together, There doesn’t seem to be much incentive to buy one. There doesn’t seem to be much incentive to buy one.
At another point, my friends were mocking the phones comparing some of the following phones to their Nintendo DS, but it was a great year in theory, having an experimental gamepad, but with no other purpose.
I really hope phones that fold can penetrate markets of different economic levels and expand outside the niches, it’s really exciting to see the developments over the past few years!!
This is so true. The minute these foldables launch at a regular phone pricepoint, I will get myself one. This would replace whatever the ipad mini is for. 🙂
There doesn't seem to be much incentive to buy one
Lol I hope you've gotten a Galaxy Fold since they got Wacom powered S Pen support w/ Fold 3! ☺️
It seems like the duo would make almost everyone I do on my phone a little bit easier but is it worth it?
Z-flip = a foldable smartphone
Z-fold2 = a foldable tablet
Surface Duo = two tablets linked together
Well I don't see the use in the Surface..
If you just carry two of those cheaper tablets, you can even detach two screens when you wanna multi-task.
And you can share one device to your friend. You still have a tablet left even if some one steals one.
How dope is that?
LG at least got the price right
I can't wait for these. I walk a lot from place to place for my job and do not want to carry a backpack w/laptop or a tablet around to send information or edit any information that is necessary. DEX is great too.
Bought the first galaxy fold, absolutely loved it. Just preordered the z fold 2, im loving this folding tech.
I loved my purple Lotus LG flip phone and so anxiously waiting for a similar product to be durable enough to go back to the same form factor (small square). So, I keep watching how the Z Flip continues to evolve.
Always happy to see Herr Dieter, the authority on Linguistic Theory and relative of Vjeran’s cat.
Cat should be making an appearance fairly soon! It's been a minute... - Vjeran
LG wins for still including an SD card and headphone jack. Really hope the next versions of the Galaxy Fold bring it back but I'm not holding my breath.
duo looking very promising, looking forward to buy the 2nd or 3rd gen duo
Did you buy the 2nd gen duo(duo2)?
The Verge : you shouldn't buy a folding phone until Apple do it.
Looooooo exactly 🤣😂
I don't hate apple, but the apple journalists just as much as y'all hate apple
Well I guess it's gonna take a while. Since Apple's still struggling to get rid of their hideous notches
Thanks Dieter! It's always a joy to see you're honest opinions with matching face expressions!
Yet he dis LG phones....
well i like the LG accessory screen concept... don't know about the implementation... same with the surface thing
Why do reviewers only look at the LG Velvet and not the more powerful, 8k recording, Pen stylus LG V60 which costs $800 and has a Snapdragon 865?
I love the concept, I wish Apple would adapt it. People should have the option to get a folding screen, it has all the benefits with very little draw backs (asides from the whole seam down the middle).
G. Fernandez If these take off successfully then they will. Apple may already have a design in the works but is staying silent on the issue as they test it. As much as Apple enjoys hype, they usually play things safe by only announcing their projects on the cusp of releasing them.
Excellent job presenting the current foldable landscape and presenting the signature devices. I really enjoyed Dieter in the video, and for me, that's saying something. I'm usually a bit leery of his articles and videos on non-Apple devices because he has often come across as an antagonist in my opinion. This was great for me. Real perspective with good information and just the right amount of opinion and humor.
Thanks.
It's too early for foldable phones. There, done. In 5 years we'll be laughing at the design of the Z fold 2.
That being said, I don't think folding phones will replace normal phones any time soon. From a materials perspective (speaking as someone who knows a fair bit about glass and crystal chemistry and synthesis), we are really no where near the level we need to be at before foldable displays become durable enough for the mainstream. It needs a revolution in materials science, and while I know of a few things that are currently looking promising, they are a long way off mass production.
In terms of durability, cost and the needs of average people, candy bar phone design will dominate for a long time to come.
You said everything. That's why I don't see a near future for foldables like the galaxy and like more the surfaces approach
@@MrCabc88 Microsoft approach is actually really good and makes sense, its just first generation with big bezels and expensive.
If phones like these do eventually take off, I could see people begin referring to their devices by names other than phones. That or “phone” will simply lose all meaning and people in the future will look back on telephones as completely alien devices because of how muddled the definition’s become.
Kudos to Dieter for somehow not bending one of the phones the wrong way when demonstrating how they open at the beginning.
Review of the Microsoft Surface Duo. Actually, using the Surface stylus integration and day to day use with the stylus. Also, can you sketch, paint, draw etc.? We’re all very curious about that.
06:20 really enjoyed what you had to say about the the nature of folding phones to keep you from being hooked on the phone all the time
I couldn't wait for the answer to unfold! I got a little unhinged waiting!
I usually use my phone on dual screen mode. I like having two apps open and do stuff at the same time. Duo is for me. Although I wish the gap was smaller because having it as a one screen for media viewing is kinda difficult right now. Unless you lose yourself on the movie and the gap is no issue I don't know
I hope that Flip Fold Phone becomes the industry standard. I love that idea and it’s not too far removed from user experience right now, so familiarity for the end user helps push the solutions for a folding phone’s engineering challenges
I haven't had my "tech gut" feel this way about a product for a long time...
The Duo is a game changer/disrupter.
Something we didn't know we needed.
If Apple would have made a foldable phone in 2020, then...
The Verge - 'OMG Look at this Foldable iPhone, it's so futuristic'
No all tech reviewers always say negative about apple.When iphone x was launched everyone was saying about price but when samsung launched note 20 a 1500 dollar no one said nothing.
I’ve used an iPad mini at home, nearly everyday for five years. I do t have a keyboard case for it, and I don’t have it in a cover. Ive never wanted to fold it in half. Come to think of it, I use it at home, but I don’t think I’ve ever amen it to work or away from home - I have my phone for that. That being said, I do have a laptop with a 360° hinge, and I do take that out of the house. I’ve used it at coffee shops and offices, and people always look a little shocked when I hand them a pen, fold it over backwards, hand it to them and ask them to sign a document. I can see this working even better on the (unreleased) Surface Neo.
Did I just see working software on the Duo
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San Diago Not like phones at all, they’re like cars , not phones cars mate . . . cars. Nothing to do with phone . . . Like cars. Keep telling you CARS.
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@San Diago What! I can't believe you just said that. I told you never to say phones again. Say phones just one more time . . . I dare you, I double dare you (name that movie) .
@San Diago Phones are not like phones they , , , wait minute ? lol
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I've been waiting years for phones like these. Super excited
A video I didn't know I needed... Dieter has sold me on these.
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Because "normal phone you flip shut" and "thick phone you unfold into a tablet" are so different, I don't see those going away. I CAN see the "two separate screens" idea going away if we can get the hinges and screens material high enough in foldable screens; then there may just be either with or without external screen flavors... although I can also see the two screened guys getting a foothold with a good physical keyboard, that would be more difficult to implement on the single screen devices! The Neo should be particularly interesting...
Ignoring LG and not even mentioning the MateX?.. So much biases from those "tech reviewers". The fold2 is paving the way for the future, but the Lg Velvet is the one that makes more sense right now, versatile, good for multi-tasking and way more affordable.
For me i like Z Fold2 more than the Duo, i mean you can have multitasking on the Z fold without the gap between the two screens, and you have a outside screen to do something quick like sending a message, check the weather, and you have a big screen to enjoy TH-cam/Netflix
I literally just pre-ordered the Z Fold 2. I use my tablet and phone a lot and it's cumbersome to carry them around plus then I have to get a case to stand them up when I'm watching media or showing content so having both in one is very convenient. I multitask a lot too and having those multitasking features is very good for me. If I bought a tab s7, and a galaxy note 20 it would cost as much or more than the z fold 2 so its worth it
Surface duo and all surface line always has better sophisticated design if not par or better with apple
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I like the Samsung Galaxy Flip but I believe that foldable phone technology is too immature to use. I generally prefer normal Samsung Android Phones like s20. The foldable phones are overpriced.
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Galaxy S Flip is just more compact in your pocket. Other than that, I don't really see the difference between that and the normal standard android phone. Definitely overpriced. And fragile too.
It is probably just a fad of 2020
Can someone please give me an iPhone?
Duo will be really useful for students as you can make notes on one screen while having your online class going on on the other screen
Awesome review! Am going with Galaxy Z fold 2 though..
Dieter making even hunch posture cool. I love this guy
The Duo is just so cool
Can’t wait until technology is ready for foldable smart watches and foldable earbuds because that’s apparently the trajectory
Dieter: with the original Fold, since the cover display was so small, your interactions were brief with it. But with Fold2, and its bigger front display, are you finding yourself spending more time on the cover display, thus negating this idea of having to use the phone more intentionally, like with Fold 1?
And how many times people will want to actually open the screens now. Unless gaming or reading a book, I hardly see people, on average, bothering with the bigger screen.
@@zenithquasar9623 do you think people buy ferrari so they can drive 30m/h most of the time ? That's kind of stupid i guess
@@curlynicks Yeah, the perfect analogy...
To anyone complaining about the crease on Samsung foldables:
Do YOU ever PURPOSELY browse the web, watch a video, etc on your glass screen phone or tablet and think to yourself: "Let me make sure I have indoor lighting or outdoor sunlight shining or reflecting DIRECTLY on my screen while I use it."???
If your answer is NO, then the crease won't be visible on the Z Fold 2 under normal usage just like it's not visible on the 1st gen Galaxy Fold or the Z Flip under normal usage.
The surface duo looks kinda cool...well at least it would if this was 2010
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I want Duo to be in my bag when I am on the go. All I need is my bluetooth headset and maybe a smartwatch for more interactivity. Then when I have the time, or on the train etc. I can open up my Duo and use it. This would help reducing the compulsive need to touch and use my smartphone for sure.
I think the most sensible in terms of practical of usage one is Surface Duo. Oh and also saying LG way of folding thick is ..misleading? It’s also could interpreted as a very thin if you remove the case since it is also a folding capable device with flexibility that could be thinner without it’s 2nd screen.
I don't keep my phone in my bag, though, so while a Flip is cool in concept, it's not very practical 'cause it would just stand out more in my pocket where there's already plenty of vertical space. I like the Fold idea more 'cause it gives you a screen size that you otherwise wouldn't be able to carry as easily, but it's still a little too thick
Agree with you. I use my smartphone for leisure and work and need to carry it in my trouser front pocket so foldable phones fits better to my needs.
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Your videos and writing are always so entertaining assuming what you're saying is pre-written. I can't put my finger on it but it's just...
fun.
Your point about closing the phone and being done with it... that being an intentional act... is brilliant and something I never thought of before. Great observation! Love your vidoes!!!
That actually came from Panos Panay.
The duo is to wide to fit in my pocket. The Z Fold 2 is too thick to fit in my pocket. The Z Flip is the phone best suited to me.
However...
Slim down those bezels on the Duo till they're barely an inconvenience, stick three screens instead of two, so it's a proper Z shaped design and keep that nice slimness and you'd have a proper sized phone that worked as a proper sized tablet. That would be a phone worth spending ks on.
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I think the Moto Razer’s exterior screen deserved a call out. It’s a pretty significant advantage.
Dieter, could you talk more about ergonomics on both reviews? About using them both in folded and unfolded modes and usability in that regard, it seems there's a lot to debate in this area
I don't want a folding phone but I appreciate these companies pushing innovation
I love how you compared the Duo experience to using two devices at once. Can you compare it to using an ipad and a phone at the same time? Because that's what people usually do.
Issue is that duo isn't a tablet replacement
It's more of a two things at the same time...
That's why fold is better but the price is still way too high
"How many times have you thought about doing two things at once on your phone."
Android users that do that every day: 😑
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Pre-ordered mine! Can't wait to review it myself :)
Dieter Bohn is great. Has to be my favourite tech guy.
I think the line between the dual screen and big fold phone is going to blur more in future. The dual screen will reduce the gap between screen more (maybe using edge corner). And with the Z Fold2 flex mode, this means apps are going to be optimized with separation in exactly the middle.
Unfortunately, that'll also make another fold concept less desireable, like those with 3x fold or folding not in middle equally, because no apps are going to optimize for that form factor.
10:15 Duo is just a bigger LG Velvet...
Also, LG should release an e-ink case option.
All that matters is the big screen and they are the first folds out right now. These phone are ahead of its time
Microsoft's DUO will be a game changer for using Excel on a phone. Never quite worked out for me till now.
I despise the current phone slab design precisely because I'm constantly desiring to have two apps open at once. When I'm writing notes on a screenplay I love to pull up images or quick jump into Google to do a quick bit of research. When I'm watching a product review on TH-cam, I like to quickly check the current pricing on Amazon, B&H Photo, Adorama, etc. Checking email is a hassle because I prefer a flyout window to read the actual email content while keeping the list of emails visible. Microsoft Edge has this cool Collections feature that I use on the Desktop and phone allowing me to organize my research and key links. I keep Collections open in the Edge browser on the desktop. I wish I could do the same on mobile.
The thing is: I want to want one. That's it. I would love to need one but still don't get how the folding features available now can really improve my life and justify the price tag.
You missed a key aspect of using a "flip phone" design, and that is to protect the front glass. The Z-fold is all sorts of fragile in either state.
I think you should've showed off the Huawei mate. Same type as the Galaxy fold but different execution, so I think it's still worthy of showing.
I constantly use the multitasking/split screen function of Windows 10 on my desktop. I VERY RARELY use less than 2, but often use 3 or 4 apps on my huge monitor at once.
No mention of Huaweii take on the folding phone. That I think is the future of foldables. Excellent Design
I don't understand why LG is dismissed like that? I mean technically you can do the same things you do on the other 'true foldables' on the LG too, right. Am I missing something?
More importantly Mate Xs is missing with a different form factor.