Tyranids vs Astra Militarum Warhammer 40k Battle Report Ep 3
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- To watch the Pre-Game Show, go here: www.miniwargami...
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Casey and Matthew play a big 2500 point game with lots of monstrous creatures, vehicles, and even a Shadowsword super heavy!
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I love AM vs. Tyranids. It just feels so right, you know?
+Glenn Callihan Renind me of Starship Troopers
Commissar_Dan FIGHT THE BUGZ
Imperial guard.
lol the genestealer talking to the militarum was hilarious
Agreed! I thought it was the funniest piece of any of these videos.
+Pie Mc Pie i misssed it D: when did it happen?
LuiBei1994 at 7:07
it was a reference from monty python and the holy grail
Said it on one of the other videos, will post it again just incase. Scatter, scatter, scatter! Gravel, sand, rocks, anything. Put it around the edges of the trees and the buildings to make it all appear as one landscape rather than clearly visible bases on the likes of the trees and buildings popping out of the ground with nothing surrounding them. When the battle is done, just sweep the stuff back into a tub ready for next time. SS82 & Tabletop Tactics both use it and their terrain is the best of the best for battle reports on youtube (in my opinion).
+Hawken Valhalla Do you want to make a diorama or play a game? :D Granted, those are nice ways to add to a mood .
ydin9 Don't you think terrain matters though? The board should be a diorama. Especially if you have thousands of people watching.
Hawken Valhalla Terrain matters to an extend. Like I said, it's not a bad idea: Looks pretty sexy and all that. BUT, in terms of managing the space and being easier to set up a game and handle movement phases, is it doable and worth it? I'll watch these batreps either way.
ydin9 It really is just a case of sprinkling rocks on after the terrain is set up though. It takes under 5 minutes and it can be swept up with a small brush in even less time after the batrep.
+Hawken Valhalla We're actually working on adding that. Green Leaf Terrain has been making more scatter terrain for us, so you should see that more in upcoming battle reports.
I didn't know Kevin Smith played Warhammer
I was searching for this comment, was not disappointed.
Who is Kevin Smith?
+Mikey Vengenz oh, yeah haha
+momanmashi he even has a Mooby's hat.
+NickWarlordGR yup ;)
It wouldn't be a Matt Tyranids game if the table wasn't 90% cover.
+psycojester Actually it wouldn't be a Matt game if the table wasn't 90% cover. To me the terrain is the most important part of the game! Want to play without terrain, then play Warmachine, or Fantasy 8th Edition. ;)
+miniwargaming That table was SPARCE compared to what we run in our regular games. To me, 40k's rules and tactics really come to life when you fight over a wartorn hell-hole of a battlefield. Open fields remove all of that drama and turn it into purely a numbers game. MORE TERRAIN!
*****
Breaking up the battlefield, so much that infantry nearly always have to roll difficult terrain to move, is good fun for a change of pace. Really makes you think ahead with what is essentially a randomised movement phase ;P
+miniwargaming couldn't agree more. Terrain is one of the best parts of the game.
+Vicent Martin Bonet True-too little terrain can lead to no brainer games-but on the other hand too much (so much that you struggle to not be in cover) can mean the army that wants to move in close doesn't even have to think about where to go-as everywhere is safe. There is something to be said for having to use the terrain that is there-having to think about your route of advance-just as there is something to be said for having to think about fire lanes :)
That Monty Python sketch was amazing! =D
Also, this guest (apologies, I can't remember your name) is cool. You should have him back!
This is one of the best battle reports I have seen in a bit! I love the Monty Python Coconuts, and the whole scene you played out with it. That reminds me just how much passion and love you guys put into your games.
I wasn't crazy about the guard army but I gotta say; that monty python guy with the coconuts in the rough riders really redeemed it in my eyes lol
ya know a hellhound should have some kind of "highly flammable rule" where if you wreck it on a one or something it instead suffers an explosion result and if it suffers a normal explosion result it should be different. maybe a larger explosion or maybe a stronger explosion. that would be nifty.
also im not trying to be an asshole, but we get it dude, you roll lots of ones. you have been saying it all video. I know its not fair but its the way of the dice man.
+anthony sauls I actually managed to call my 1's repeatedly in my last game, dooming various important units to die to the worst example of bad luck and prophecy lol. But yeah, can't dwell on it too long...
Musabre I mean I get it, I really do, when you roll terrible the game can often get frustrating even when you are trying your best to ignore it and have fun. just gotta try your best to let it go and not dwell on it like you said.
anthony sauls
A similar thing that's a Pet peev of mine is when players decide their dice are 'cursed' and make a concerted effort to use OTHER dice. Just... no....
Musabre or when they are anal about anyone touching their dice. look im not going to bash super superstition but its a game. if your not playing in a tournament or something like that then don't be anal about stuff like that.
+anthony sauls I wouldn't limit it to tournaments.....
I've come across, exactly ONE person like this. I was floored when his visibly cringed when I picked up his 5 wounding dice to roll my armor saves. He then, calmly, asked me not to touch his dice. When queried why, he implied that I was stealing the mojo from them. I could (maybe) understand if he was a germ phobe, but mojo? How about, I use you dice that way I know they aren't "loaded".
Never played that guy again, nor would I ever.
First 40k battle I've watched since trying to get into the hobby after a friend introduced me years ago. Thx for the video...
Flyers that suffer an Immobilised result and don't crash and burn are treated as Crew Stunned (Pg 85 Main Rule Book). Thus next turn they must fly 18" forwards and may not turn.
Tank Shock - Pg 92, The tank needs to turn to face the direction of travel, must move at least combat speed and may not change direction during a tank shock.
That's a really beautiful table. Also, kudos to Casey for naming all his Guardsmen! I do the same thing with mine; it makes them more human, which adds to the drama.
i don't know if you've tried this before or if its too much trouble, but watching this i thought it would be awesome to have ways for the terrain to change mid match. For example, flamers setting trees on fire, or the big powerful blasts creating a crater effect, like by placing a piece of paper with a soil pattern for woodland or cracked concrete for urban. So its like your battle has made its mark, and for narrative campaigns that have battles in the same place the same 'damage' carries over.
Sounds like a awsome idea
that sounds really cool. I've been thinking of making an ancient temple board that would shift the ground randomly after every round. Wouldn't be that difficult to do.
+Luis Nin especially with a raspberry pi.
+jonathan piper 40k had rules for this way back in 2nd edition. They had weapons like deforestation missiles and earthquake rounds that would destroy area terrain. All that stuff was taken out, then eventually some put back in in 5th with planetstrike but nobody liked it.
+bkLEGION3000 when i was saying about the terrain changing i meant visually only, so it would play the same it would just look different afterwards and give an impression that a battle had taken place
I'm new to Warhammer 40k I'm just curious what is a good beginner army. I kinda like chaos marines but I don't want something to overly complex. thx for the advice in advance.
i love when nids and g get matched up. 2 big armies. very epic
I'm new to MWG and 40k in general, so this might be a dumb question. Why do they not re-roll cocked dice? Several times the dice result is not obvious to both players, but they just go with what was facing the camera. I feel it'd be better to quickly re-roll the cocked dice. Am I wrong?
It's house rule. they go with the side facing away from its contact with the ground
The Emperor would be proud of your valiant fight.
I gotta say y'all got me cracking up every change of turn with that dramatic music
If you're looking for feedback I really enjoy it when both the armies' paint schemes are uniform... Ty for the content
Fairly close game but a few things to note:
- All orders need to be acted on as soon as they are ordered ie the company command was doing them after other stuff shot
- The Shadowsword has 2 lascannons on top of the heavy bolter sponsons which are included for free and it is bs3 not 4
- Prescience doesn't give you twin linked it gives you re rolls to hit so I'm not entirely sure that counts for a gets hot test for plasma cannons but I could be wrong
- A hellhound does not hit on 3s with hull heavy bolter it is bs3
- There were instances in the game where the master of ordnance could see the targets he was shooting at so he could minus the scatter by 4 inches
- Tank shocking sacrifices all shooting
I think the list had way too many unnecessary upgrades such as carapace armour, medics, fire barrels, enclosed crew etc etc all which rack up a lot of points which could be spent on more infantry which would be needed in this game, even with the shadow sword you could still get a lot of IG units in a 2500 point game.
It was a hard-fought battle between two really cool armies. That was a hell of a batrep.
I would've never guessed that if "Kevin Smith" ever played WH40K, he would play Astra Militarum. Honestly, I figured him to be a Necron type of guy. Ya know, the strong & silent type that gets stuff done when he puts his mind to it!
Can you guys do more tyrinid battle reports that would be great. I just started Warhammer 40k and that is the army I have started collecting
Great game guys! and thanks for the free Monty Python sketch bonus ;-)
+Steven Moens You're welcome!
IG get destroyed, again... What a surprise... Are they ever going to change The Guard to at least give them a chance?
One thing I'd really like to see is more ForgeWorld lists and units, like the Malcador Infernus, titans, and so on.
what's forgeworld?
+ben dover You potato
+ben dover It's a specialist part of GW. They have their own website
+ben dover The place where people purchase the specialist kits for 40k. Horus Heresy, Titan vehicles, stuff like that. Some of the stuff seems to start there and then GW adopts it later, like the Baneblade or some of the older air units.
+Gratuitous Lurking thanks, m8.
The guard player brought everything me and every guard I've talked to say NEVER to bring lol
As a noob (still deciding what army to get first) what are the generally considered "best" strategies for the guard.
YYYEEESSS!!! I've been looking for A.M. vs tyranids for AGES I'm so happy I found this! 😂
that new terrain and bord looks amassing.
Excellent battrep Matt! Love it seeing you play Nids again instead of cheesy Tau. Also I love seeing some unusual troop choices like the Deathleaper. Keep up the good work!
So refreshing seeing Matt play Nids again
This is the fifth game watching miniwargaming play Tyranids, and yet it is the first win...
Great game. Just wondering though when Matt was firing at the rough riders with the psychic blast would they not have had cover from firing through their own unit (the termagaunt)?
+Raja Brothwood You still use true line of sight. We checked and the height of the Zoanthropes allowed them to see the Rough Riders without any obstructions.
Ugh, those 3 Tervigons were a massive annoyance, especially how little Matt rolled doubles.
The improved terrain makes for a better looking and better playing game. Striking Scorpion is still #1 for battlefield terrain; his always looks amazing and involved!
First of all, I'm glad to see a Guard battle report again. I also like that you try to improve the terrain. You've got more flexibility with the trees this way, but I would concern that there is no exact border for the area terrain, but it worked well in this battle report. Also, do you consider adding hills to the terrain?
As a Guard player when I saw the Guard's list, I thought the nids will eat them super heavy or not. But in the first turn I've started to hope they can hold out, but at the end of the second turn I knew how it will end. I still watched it, because still it was fun. Especially when the Russes made their cover saves.
I think Imperial Guard is not an easy army to play, and in my opinion that is the reason why they lost most or half of the time. Also I belive maelstorm missions work against them, because IG don't have the mobility to capture quickly objectives. But in this case the guard player have good objectives.
The funny thing about this battle report that I've watched a very similar one the other day. It was tyranids against guard, and a guard player brought a super-heavy with D weapon, a couple of tanks and minimum infantry. The nid player had won. So I'm thinking these super heavys not that good as they look like, or at least they could be used better. In both games a Baneblade would have done better, with the 10" blast. It is not D stregth but could kill a lot of things in one shot.
For the troops, I would say it was a good thing that veterans had the carapace armour. I'veseen many battle reports when the player didn't buy it, but still bought all the spec weapon. I usualy buy the better armor for them. In rare cases I buy camo gear, and I also bring an ADL. What is worked for me with the veterans is a heavy flamer and either two plasma or two melta, and no heavy weapons, so they can move around. I usually put them in a Chimera.
I freaking love the imperial guards. In a world where even a gun that can take a persons arm clean off is considered weak, it's hilarious to see the puny humans absolutely crush the other factions with massive numbers and where their only strategy is to either drown them in blood or suffocate them in bodies
I disagree you can assult after infiltration if you go second on turn one. the rule book states all tunes are player turned unless game turn is directly referenced in the rule. THE TURN section of the rule book. it says you can assault the turn you infiltrate. IE You go first on turn one and you infiltrate you can't charge. if you go second player turn 2 game turn one you can assult. this is in line with the rule book and makes sense gives them one player turn to react to your infiltration.
this was a lot of fun to watch. Thanks for producing such an entertaining battle report.
Monty Python references are what I need in my Warhammer. Squad gets wiped out? "Always look on the briiiight side of life..."
Somehow thing it would be super terrifying to see a Carnifex leap on top of a pipeline like it did in turn 1's move phase.
I don't play this game myself, so question to the veterans: Is this representative of the balance? It seemed like even if he rolled like a God there was no way to do enough shooting to prevent that massive (and constantly reinforcing) carpet of Tyranids from rolling forward and throwing a thousand melee dice at him.
Is that normal? Is melee just that hilariously overpowered that it will rip apart a 25 model unit in a single turn, while shooting something with a giant artillery piece lets you roll like 4 dice and they still get 3+ saves? Is it the intent to make melee so monstrously powerful or was this just a bad example of the game?
its just the armies picked weren't exactly balanced, the problem with the battreps these guys do is that you apply to play against them with your army list, then they get to pick an entire army around what you have already picked, so hes basically got a relatively weak army against a strong army which also would excel against what he is fielding (as you said he had very little that could deal with what he was fielding), also if i wanted to critique him further i believe he wasted most of his firepower on the psykers from the tyranid army, they are a big threat yes but whats the point of focusing them when the rest of your army is being minced towards the frontline
how the Tyranids were made.
"Hey guys seen Alien?"
"Yeah, it was awesome"
"Lets make the Aliens 1000x more terrifying"
At 1:05:00 (about), where was he getting 4+ from? He's firing through forests, which is a 5+, and his armor is 4+, but Heavy Bolters are AP4
I hope IG is buffed in the next edition. They feel really weak at the moment.
+Ternel The player is really weak tbh, weird and bad weapon choices, and the shadowsword is trash imho. Doesn't make this video bad or something, but do not let that influence your opinion on IG ;)
+airjamy The big buzz of having a D weapon isn't as scary as it used to be. I prefer the Stormblade to the Shadowsword. Quantity over quality and all that ;)
+Ternel If he'd brought the Stormsword it would have gone so much better. "Only" 36" range, but S10, AP1 with Ignores Cover on the main gun.
+airjamy The guy just seems like he wants to have fun with some fluffy stuff. Matt even mentions that in the pregame show.
Steve Miner
Kaboom!
Is it bad that I think underground matches using cheap, 3d-printed models sound awesome?
It's nice to see really fluffy armies instead of tau :)
like 30 min in the game i knew the Tyranids would win
I really liked the random stuff this guard player takes! I do the same thing, taking unusual stuff just for fun. Also, all the different models are neat to look at :D
General question about terrain- Why do so many walls / ruins/ other terrain pieces have windows? Doesnt that defeat the purpose if the enemy can almost always shoot you thru the windows? Wouldnt some actual walls or total cover from enemy fire create a tactical choice for movement and make the game more interesting instead of just shoot with all my guys that can shoot because i can see you behind or inside any piece of cover?
+locustkllr Yup. I recommend laser cut MDF industrial buildings and the like, you can get from various terrain shops online. Complete LOS blocking terrain is awesome! In all types of games.
if a flyer is immobilised it becomes crew shaken on a 3+. is it then allowed to change flight modes? i always thought it couldn't
Like the barrels. Like to see them side by side. Size?
Matt, Could you please make a video about 'nids? I remember hearing a in a few vidosback that you said that the Nids are underwhelming or something. Like, I was so excited to see you play nids and was even more excited to see lictors! it was nice of you to show me a unit I haven't seen fielded yet. I just want to know why you think nids last codex was bad and...why do you not field hormagaunts?
So are the pre-game shows there to drive traffic to their site more than anything else then?
Not having a pop, Im just interested in the business model.
I think, this were a nice game. My opinions are: Astra Militarum (Imperial Guard) is not army for the objectives... unless it is make for rapid movement, like Elysian Drop Troops (if they have own codex) :D Game was nice and joy to watch. Thanks for this battle reports.
having the cover saves of the tree clusters being governed by an invisible footprint doesnt sound like a very good idea unless youre playing with very easygoing folks. perhaps a slip of paper under or loop of string around the clusters to define the area would help prevent any trouble.
What Matt didn't realize was that there were secretly a dozen Imperator Titans tactically positioned inside the Promethium piping.
"Creeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!"
(Please get that reference)
Really nice terrain, love those pipelines!
Matt are those dice weighted, I've never seen rolls like this.
Yay for more nids! Need some variance
I like these battle reports because they show the dice rolls, some batreps don't
I think the dice rolls are the best part
You roll "Gets Hot" Once per weapon, not once per shot. That way the Executioner doesn't glance itself to death lol
I still feel that Tyranids have too much ranged firepower.
+antimarmite
Agreed their average unit's shooting/saturation power has become too much of a strength for an army that was initially intended for CC.
Nids are no longer what used to make them attractive: a CC TAC brawling army.
Hopefully this will be fixed in the next codex(though I have doubts knowing how GW handle their rules these days :( ).
+Hard-Edge Painting yea i would like better cc but to be honest vsing a decnet cc army mc get slaughtered. need some flyrants thats when they get some decent firepower
Are you kidding me they does not have any good shooting weapon the unly good one is the hive guards haywire weapons and they are very short range so please tell me why one decent weapon is to much
+Melker Torsen yea the hive guard are good, i prefer the zonthropes tho
+shane i agree with you they are much better with synapse and 3++ sv still lack in range the reason i Said hive guards is that i was talking about Ranged weapons not wichfire
Edit: omg, templates!!
This is a delightful trip down memory lane.
Question, have never played myself and barely know the community and whatnot. but is warhammer a very happy game like these videos show? i always expected like a cutthroat and almost ragey community but every video i have seen on this account is happy and "coexist-y" like happy when they are getting destroyed by rolls etc. etc. it's quite nice to see lol
Its great to see that someone else that use death krops of krige
I really wish Matthew would roll the dice properly. I get it, you're holding a camera. Maybe get someone else to hold it while you actually roll the dice? You take a way a lot of the randomness of the roll by the way you roll your dice in these videos. That's why you tend to roll better than your opponents.
agreed not a fan
still enjoyed the video very much
You would get kicked out of a casino rolling dice like that.
Dude, i'm pretty sure physics disagree with you. Like alot.
That only makes sense if he is first picking up the dice and holding them in a specific way to that when he rolls them they are more likely to land a certain way. I don't think he's doing that. He's literally just getting lucky.
Wow that pre-game show was one hell of an akward run down of the Imperial Guard army.
Nice, good alchemy between players. Thanks.
Why do they always take saves against D-strength hits rather than the number of wounds they cause? I always thought you took saves against a wound not a save against a hit, so you'd have to roll for D3 wounds for each D hit then take saves, rather than taking 1 save for all the wounds from a hit.
The monty python bit was wonderful
Yay a contender with personality! nice Bat Rap!
idk Why but Jay and silent bob comes to my mind at the moment
The amount of ones this guy rolled was killing me
Striking scorpion 82 does the scattering very well
Don't destroyer strength weapons ignore cover? Or am I just remembering something banished to the retconomicon.
They only ignore it if you roll a 6 on the chart.
Ah that'll explain things. Old apocalypse book is full of lies!!!
at 41.55 Matt you took an extra hit dice on the gaunts. he roled 2 2+
Question to my veteran dudes out there.. I am thinking about starting to collect 40K. I had a few fantasy figures back when I was a kid, but.. I really want to get into the collection and the actual board game now, in 40K. Question time: What should I collect? I've always enjoyed the Space Marines since.. Most PC games are about them (And Terminators are so sexy..) So I reckon I'll at least pick them as my first team (Not sure which Chapter though :/) but.. Who would be a good fit? Chaos Marines seems a bit too alike, so.. Anything but them really would be an ideal suggestion, I'm sure :3 And then maybe a supporting army for each, just in case? (Like Imperial Guard, perhaps? Even though I haven't seen them in any of the local shops.)
Mischa Look at the Start Collecting boxes first
That IG player really spent too much raining heavy ordnance on the 3++ save zoanthropes.
Just a thought when something dies you could make a cute sound effect corresponding when its removed from the board almost like when a star wars tie fighter goes poof when it blows :) just an idea
Does prescience let you reroll gets hot? I thought it was only to hit roles...
+Charlie Games The rules for gets hot on blasts states any reroll to hits also lets you reroll the gets hot.
love the monty python reference lol
Kevin Smith would have been tabled if Matt had had an extra couple of Carnivian's!!! >XD
A proper win for the hive mind!
Holly crap! Kevin Smith plays Warhammer!?
You guys should really designate a rolling zone so the dice don't hit terrain so much.
Does anyone know where i can get these very beautiful scenery trees? I would really like to buy them.
matt likes to re-roll his crooked dices when he does not get a good result but for his opponents his ignores them lol. Very crooked.
I greatly miss a good old Fashioned Astra Militarium defense against a Sworm race.
Silent Bob, is that you?
where is that game mat from? :)
You turned it off right after guard turn three since I know the flyer won't be dead thus the whole game is out of wack. Not Matt's fault that one rule about flyers turn immobilized into stun(maybe shaking) is pretty unnoticed able
Monty Python references are the best references.
Ok, maybe I'm just not very well versed in 40k tactics but why the hell was the IG player shooting at the zooanthropes to the exclusion of all else when Matt's other tyranids were almost on top of him?
Cause he had the witch-hunter thingy. Killing the squad would've given him points.
oh, ok. didn't see it I guess. Thanks!
Nice batrep, would be nice if you guys could keep all the objectives and game type and stuff for the pregame so when you finish that you go strait into the battle... I think Matt repeated a few things... But otherwise a fun report, nice work.
Hi in the intro ther shows some bikes. So i wonder What bikes are they.
Cous i like the look.
IG rolls so many 1s with weapons that are ether 2 up to hit or wound
love the map :D
wait, didnt one of the tervigons roll a double for spawning?
Hey matt love your videos and i really like all your work thank you guys
Could you try a 100% Deep striking army with dropp pod hive tyrant/carnifex/gaunts/wariors + trygon/ mawloc + rippers it would be really fun to see
there should be a secondary intro for the type. so for example the main intro for a 40k batrep and a secondary one that says "beat matt batrep" that happens just after :P that's my 2 cents