The throws of the first olympics are SUBLIME even for today's judo

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  • This video discusses the throws of the first Olympic game for judo.
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  • @Chadi
    @Chadi  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

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  • @MizanQistina
    @MizanQistina 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I like judo throws more than ground fighting because it is simple, effective, unique and it is exclusive to Judo. When we see such throws, everyone says it's Judo. Nobody will say it's Karate, Kung Fu, Silat or whatever despite they all have their own versions of throws. For me, Judo is throws, that's how I recognized Judo since childhood back in the 80s. There are Judo clubs in schools here and they do involve in demonstrations occasionally in sports day, and they do throw more than anything else. Even being in Silat club I do imitate Judo throws in my training; and sometimes Aikido too, it fascinates me much, I like throwing. 😄

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@MizanQistina throws have their magic 🪄

    • @MizanQistina
      @MizanQistina 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Chadi throws is magic

    • @bobkk-ev5ls
      @bobkk-ev5ls 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Judo throws are magical. More complex qnd beautiful than a great kick or punch.
      Karate has throws too, a lot of the same ones in fact. Judo throws look simple but takes a lot of practice to get good at.

    • @MizanQistina
      @MizanQistina 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@bobkk-ev5ls For me, throws are easier, it's about balance, only playing on that. it is likely to execute throws than a successful kicks and punches which needs precision. Kicks and punches are like gun shots, powerful but nothing if miss 😂
      If you watched Silat Sport then you know what I mean

    • @martinlaser7819
      @martinlaser7819 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Chadi
      For the viewer. Bluming was right when he said that groundwork is more effective. Opa Schutte taught effective ground work at that time. Today they banned groundwork with BJJ, which is not very attractive for the viewer.
      But you are right throws are beautiful.
      Also the Japanese have their sense for beauty and emphasise this in all Budo sports. That's the reason that judoka are not good in MMA.

  • @micnak3574
    @micnak3574 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a man who grew up in Japan, I recognize a major difference between traditional Japan judo (which I grew up with) and the international judo competition that we see today in the Olympics. The difference is the style. Judo literally meant the way Soft Way. Two judokas used to grab each other's "gi" quite gentlemanly and settle first. From there, it was a matter of who could score ippon, wazaari, and yuko. Now, it's like watching an amateur wrestling match of tackling and fighting for the initial grabbing of the "gi." It's not artistic to look at. To me, Koga and Ohno represent the purest form of Japan judo to me. Their matches are beautiful to watch.

  • @marceloisoni9158
    @marceloisoni9158 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Back then the fighter grabbed the gi, now there is a fight for a kumi kata

  • @articawork1557
    @articawork1557 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    It was much more technical to that time because there was no real fight for the kumi kata (grip). Nowadays you may see a complete fight for the kumi kata so strengh matter first.

  • @highchamp1
    @highchamp1 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Evolution of sports judo video.

  • @JoriMikke78
    @JoriMikke78 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    If you had more beatiful throws done in the past it doesn't automaticly mean that judo or judokas were better then - it could be just the opposite, if they are better today and the skill gap is smaller, it could be more difficult to repeat those techniques from the past.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You still have clean throws today, I compared with modern judo for a reason. I’m saying the evolution happened in other aspects of judo.

  • @donovan665
    @donovan665 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm no judoka, i understand body mechanics well and its obvious these earlier guys are more efficient smoother, as kano tried to make it, sophisticated technique.

  • @CoelhoSports
    @CoelhoSports 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is probably the last decade you will be able to talk to the 64 olympians who are still around. They would all be in their 80's and 90's now and would have probably started competing in the 50's. Probably most are already gone. As far as talking about the changes in competition in the olympic era, they would be the best to put it all in context.

  • @quentin1286
    @quentin1286 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Je passe ma ceinture marron dans un mois. Je vais recevoir ton livre samedi, je suis sûr que ça m'aidera, comme tes vidéos m'ont déjà tellement apportées.

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like people who ask if tai otoshi is not a leg technique have not done tai otoshi, a lot or at all, or they have performed it very wrong. It should be pretty obvious (in my not that informed opinion) when doing tai otoshi that the throw happens with hands and you could even remove the leg and still complete the throw if you used enough powerful twist from strong kuzushi. While you couldn't perform tai otoshi with just the leg (as opposed to Shohei Ono's seminar drill for uchi mata where he only uses a leg to flip the uke). Similar to how harai goshi is not a leg technique because you're doing the work with hip and the leg just serves as a block for them to not step over - you couldn't do it with just the leg.
    I feel like the reason for strength development in the sport has come from the mad skill development across the board. Now everyone is so good and they have developed their defensive game against the most common strong scoring attacks so much that you actually need to use strength to overcome the equal skill. That being said people still make plenty of defensive mistakes, Steve Cohen and Travis Stevens still regularly go through clips of contemporary matches and Travis is not holding back his frustration when he sees a basic mistake in grip fighting or defending with position or hip. Something that the Japanese I believe are very proficient at, gripping and positioning. Which I think also has lead to the evolution where people, in the confinements of the rules, escape the engagement the moment a Japanese player gets a grip. They don't know how to defend it or deal with it and they know it's a guaranteed score against them if they let it continue. I wonder if that is not partly because they don't spend time training in Japan like some international players do - getting used to the Japanese playing style and getting comfortable with it without panicking. Furthermore a lot of players seem to favour certain techniques in their system for the techniques being suitable for their body type versus their opponent types, as well as how well they fit together in the system, which leads to seeing certain throws far more than others. Like beautiful ashi wazas still exist but not as commonly. Some players are really well known for their dangerous legs, while others have a couple of big throws. I'm not savvy enough to make an analysis of which type of players/categories favour which, or if it's a tradition and national system thing. I know Steve Cohen is big on ashi waza and makes all his kids practice ashi waza. Partially because ashi waza according to him, and I don't disagree, takes a lot of time to perfect for effective use and you need to develop extremely good awareness and in particular timing, so perhaps they have a high reward-cost ratio for a young athlete, similarly to newaza. Like you have a limited time so you're likely to pick the first throws you become effective with and have trained a lot as your starting point. The competition is so tight it's hard to be a jack of all trades successfully these days. Good ashi waza is absolutely some of the most satisfying things to witness, but I don't blame people who don't have it as core part of their kit.

  • @fernandocoan6729
    @fernandocoan6729 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Parabéns pelo conteúdo! Moro em São Luís, nordeste do Brasil e pratico jiu-jítsu então, naturalmente, tenho grande admiração pelo judô. Excelente semana pra vc e sua família! Oss!

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      🙇🏻‍♂️

  • @pohkimcheng59
    @pohkimcheng59 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I watched lots of Isao Okano back then to keep myself inspired to continue my practice on morote seoi nage but I do notice most of the classic judoka performing the morote seoi nage kinda similar to Tai Otoshi tho~ but hey who am I to speak ya😂 I'm only yellow belt 😅😅 anyway thank you for everything chadi ❤❤❤

  • @henrikg1388
    @henrikg1388 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Keep uploading. Will buy your book at next paycheck. 👍
    Am I even second? I that case it was a long time since last time. 😉

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@henrikg1388 haha correct second.
      Thank you for your support 🫡

  • @martinlaser7819
    @martinlaser7819 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I believe the former olympic judoka would not have a chance anymore against the bower once because of the grip fight. To get the grip was easy in the 60th and 70th. Today it seems very difficult and once the grip is there you can't lose much time before finding the right moment also for your technique. However I don't want to say anything. The old stars may deny that they might be better today.
    In your video you just show the throws but not the way to the throws. The throws may not be really much more effective even if they are more acrobatic. ??? I suppose that the strategy is more effective today.

  • @KameHouse_Dragon
    @KameHouse_Dragon 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bom domingo!
    Boa semana!
    Um abraço de Curitiba/Brasil
    Obrigado pelo conteúdo!
    Forte abraço

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      🙏🏻🙇🏻‍♂️