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Great video again, Chadi. I was in Judo at an early age, from 4.5 to somewhere my 17. This was from 1980 to just past the mid 1990ies. Back in the day we had 2 main groups in Judo to train. This was in Belgium, EU. One group focused on training 'Olympic Judo' and Kata, no mather what, the other trained Judo as brought to us by Jigoro Kano Sensei, more akin to how it was thought to the Emperial Japanese navy/army in the 1930ies. This obviously had a strong emphasis on selve defence and whatever limb/bodypart you could grab from your oponent you got. It was all about speed/gripstrength versus the oponent denying you these things while grapling you. Both systems had a very strong push to punish being non-attacking and staling, keeping the martial art flowing and a good training in the dojo. If you want to stall, stay at home in your sofa and watch TV, my Sensey used to say. Also, back then in Judo, focus was put on the ofence once a fight started, for very few fights are ever won on the defencive. Skip forward to the present day, 2024 and sadly, curent day Kodokan Olympic Judo got rid of many rules and implemented many making 1930ies Judo all but Illigal. Ground game is gone, most of the locks, even standing are gone. Kane Basame and some other throws (with leg grabs) are gone... It is this Olimpic Judo that realy stays me from getting back to my beloved judo. Right now I'm way more interested in BJJ, but halas, Belgium is a Judocounrty and I can easily find 5 judoschools 15 km from where I live, there re what 2 or 3 BJJ schools in the country. Guess I'll wit a bit longer.... Or hope to find a more self defence oriented Judo school.
And good riddance with kani basami, it has no place in mainstream judo. So easy to mess up someone. Thankfully the Paris Olympics had some great newaza moments. What I wonder is if judo really is that dear if leg grabs and leg locks or some nasty jujutsu joint locks being gone from sport judo stops someone from playing judo altogether? And causes a switch to bjj that takes only a minor part of the whole jujutsu family, only a part of newaza, and focuses on it. You talk like you couldn't do newaza at judo dojos, as if it didn't exist anymore. Doesn't sound like love to me, because love lasts over time and life changing things and doesn't make you switch to others. Love makes you enjoy what you have and promote the best parts of it. And it's not like dojos won't teach leg grabs anymore, they're just not the main curriculum, there's still kata groups and other stuff.
@@Yupppi Judo split in 2, somewhere were their bid to become an Olympic discipline was accepted. Then they overfocused on one side and all but killed of the original. You sir, with all do respect fall into the category of 'sport Judo'. An sigh, nothing too wrong with it, but to me, it feels like it has been remade for grandma and little granddaughter at Wednesday afternoon, between tea & bisquits. I fall in the other catagory. Leg grabs AND leg locks AND for the higher ups, Kane Basami BELONG at the core of Jigoro Kane Judo, like in the 1930ies. It is a self defence MARTIAL ART, with a sportsman, sportif concept on the side, a warrior ethos and skillset at its core. And for the sad comment you made to me: "What I wonder is if judo really is that dear if leg grabs and leg locks or some nasty jujutsu joint locks being gone from sport judo stops someone from playing judo altogether?" To me there is so much wrong with that. Is chess still chess if nobody starts with a knight or a bishop, because there move is more complex? How much do you allow to take away from what originaly was Judo before even you say, yeah that was the moment 'this' stopped being Judo? For me, what they bring at the Olympics IS still Judo. Just the sporterized, demonstration form of a true martial art. You made it clear to me where our vieuwpoints differ in the last part of that question: playing Judo versus practicing & training Judo. To the uneducated they look the same but they serve a different goal. One can go more hardcore at a Judo-dojo but if one starts playing self defence... There is nothing horibly bad with the modern day Olympic Judo, it is in my humble opinion just less complete. Like if you would ban right leg kicks out of Karate or Thai Box. To me it does not make sence, to you, if everybody has the same handicap, it ain't a handicap. Me personaly, I see martial arts as a form of functional self defence that I hopefully never have a practical use for, BUT, on that one day I need it, second is first looser, not silver medalist.
I think the current environment of bjj is quite a bit better that what you describe. I live in Ghent, there are actually 3 BJJ clubs in Ghent alone... It's getting a lot more popular so you might be able to find a club near you.
@@jarnovandevoorde1881 I do hope so... I wish you well in BJJ and hope for you to be part of a good group of people looking out for each others safety during training still keeping things real and legit.
First off greetings from the u.s.a secondly thats great that you have 5 judo schools within 15 km/10 miles. In america its the opposite bjj is really easy to find while there areonly 60,000 judoka in america. Ive done some judo and love it compared to bjj.
The IJF needs to publish something on injuries. I’m all for leg grabs, but I can see people getting picked up by someone like illiadis and trying to save themselves by putting their neck in the way of the landing. There’s just too much control with the gi and when you’re up in the air things can get dangerous. Just my thoughts but I have no evidence. IJF should provide it though!
He looked fine to me. But it has to be said that the type of injuries you’re referring can also be debated that they can happen with techniques such as Utsuri Goshi and Ura Nage. Should we ban them too? If so, where do we draw the line ?
Yeah it’s a difficult debate. I think the line has to be somewhere around satisfying all parties. We definitely need to reintroduce legislation grabs in some capacity
@@ChadiPorém em utsuri-goshi e ura-nage os ataques partem do meio do corpo para cima, o risco é muito menor. Quando se faz um ataque com a parte inferior do corpo erguida, o impacto é maior. Eu mesmo já parei no hospital após ser arremessado de cabeça com um sukui-nage (te-guruma).
It’s basically gi wrestling. And yeah you have control, but not that much, in many ways throws lock in a direction of a throw, but with far less control than in actual wrestling, there’s more distance between the two competitors in many of these moves, there’s way more room to move and wiggle around. I get the impression the head/neck rule is just a fancy rule to keep judo a “gentleman’s sport” just like disallowing collar ties and grabbing the head of the opponent. A semi-pointless rule that exists just for the sake of existing. The throws that happen in judo nowadays (when competitors actually try), are much more likely to spike you on your head than throws which include legs. Leg-inclusive throws involve more whole body rotation and flat back landings as opposed to crown and high shoulder landings and roll throughs.
@@Chadiyes, like the Kazakh athlete broke Uzbek's hand with Uran Nage at the Grand Slam in Tashkent. But that was Uzbekistan judoka's fault as he extended his arm straight and landed on it.
Sensei, I only started judo after legs were outlawed. I took up some bjj in between judo just to see what it was like, but your video has been very fascinating. Thanks
Chadi, what do you think of counting pins when the fighter is on their belly? I've noticed traditional jujutsu styles favor pinning with the stomach facing down over the back, since the opponent can't use their arms. I think this would revolutionize judo and penalize stalling.
Its funny when people say leg grabs was removed becase of eastern Europeans and central Asians but in reality those countries traditional wrestling styles are upperbody focused.
It's BS when they say that leg grab shots where removed because Wrestlers dominating. You see Jason Morris was able to stop leg grab style wrestlers with his throws in a wrestling no gi match. Now imagine Wrestlers who have very minimal Gi training transitioning to a Judo rules set. Not a chance. It's two different sportive events. Judo will always dominate in the Judo sport. etc.
@@Jamie-zs8ok Both Jason Morris and Jimmy Pedro cross trained in wrestling because there were not enough good Judo Clubs to train in Judo. To quote Jimmy Pedro, " You need the bodies to train." Jason Morris told me he would travel up to Toronto to train in Judo. I asked him if they were that good? He also said, it was a good club that always had 25 or more people to train with. Most Judo Dojos in the US would be lucky to have 10 adults 3 times a week. It wasn't because wrestling techniques were so good that it gave them some advantages. In fact both of them were top level wrestlers because Judo gave them a huge advantage over wrestlers. Jimmy Pedro was an All American wrestler and Jason Morris was top in his category.
Good memories. We had a little Dojo, Vista CA, in the 70's and 80's. Our Sensi was Mr Bonar. One of the best! On practice nights, I forgot the Japanese name of those, he'd take on all of us, 6 to 8 of us one at a time. Now that's allot of work! Then eventually, guess what? You'd be doing the same thing eventually! Holy moly! It was, i think better to be a small Dojo. The instruction was more intense and focused. I'm 57 now. I do my best to pratice on my own. I miss those days.
2:00 I'm spaniard and i admire Isabel Fernández because she won both world and Olympic gold medals for my country, but i have to admit that Harai Makikomi she suffers is beautiful.
anyway yeah I love leg grabs, one of the best Judoka ever Pawel Nastula had attacks from every damm direction but he had great leg grabs, could u do and video on him plus other Central or Eastern Euro greats ?
I think diving down to a leg pick is a bit dangerous in Judo, because of the gi. I feel if I do that I will be giving back of the neck to grab easily. In wrestling its not that easy to grab hold of you opponent for a long time. But that's maybe me being beginner in both :D
Hello Chadi Vu ton point de vue sur les règles du judo je comprends pas pourquoi tu n'es pas passé sur le Sambo Sportif Bonne soirée Keep the good work
My interest in Judo is as a martial art and a viable self-defense system. Thus, the only acceptable bans are those that concern the safety of your training partner. For example, it is my belief that kani basami should be banned in randori, but practiced in a very controlled manner as a separate exercise, with both tori and uke having discussed exactly how it is going to be executed. Any other rules simply artificially remove viable techniques and are as such detrimental to the martial aspect of the art. IJF and the Olympics are destroying Judo via trickle down effect with their dumb (or perhaps political) rules. Instead of flourishing and being widely available, true Judo will retreat back to the underground, where it may linger and vanish, or emerge again in the wide public but only after many years.
about the bent over like wrestling stance in judo, I've just realized BJJ doesn't look like that because of the standing headlocks, too bad judo is going an opposite weird direction but allowing enter a choke while standing would be an interesting option
I agree with what is shown. Never realy understood why leg grabs were banned. Seeing recent Olympic judo, i say: bring back the leg grabs and the yuko. Maybe not the koka, looked always as 'no score' to me.
I always feel like it was the Olympics main example Dr Rhadi Ferguson 2004 was double leg slamming EVERYBODY and then Beijing came around and no leg grabs me personally I am for the leg grabs I think they should be brought back but my self personally I have always felt like the Olympics was the reason for the change.
I'd like to see leggrabs back, but I do wonder if leggrabs was more of an issue in the lower amateur levels. I could see people struggling against leg takedowns or people using a bad leg takedown as a means to constantly halt the fight.
Each time people question Judo rules, I think to myself that Jiu-Jitsu rules allow it all except the kani-basami. Thanks for the videos, and keep up the great work 🍍🔥🥋😀
I thought you were in between pro and against for banning leg grabs based on the previous videos that you posted? Or I thought you were ok with leg grabs with certain conditions being applied. And now you are all for leg grabs? If so, what made you change your mind to that? Just curious.
For me judo was its best in early 2000. And it's worst about 2010 just before first rules for the leg grabs came. I was competiting that time. Most techniques used were very low katagurumas, leg grabs, drop seoi nage, sumigaeshi, etc. especially in low weight kategories people were in 90 degree angle allways defendig their legs. However I allways believed that classic judo with good posture was best, and if you are good at it, you can counter any leg grab with it. After leg grab rules came I saw very much developement of ashi waza and i think todays elite judokas are amazingly good doing footsweeps, ashigurumas, hizagurumas..etc... throws wich were not so used before, except japanese and some very talented players. Still I miss leg grabs, like Te-guruma, wich was the best defense against cross grip, and Kata guruma wich were my tokui waza. Leg grab rules forced also myself to study more of ashi waza. It would be interesting to see what happens if leg grabs would be allowed. Meny of todays top judokas have never trained them. I think they are big part of judo and banning them forever can't be permanent solution.
Leg grabs were banned in judo to preserve the sport's traditional techniques and values, and to distinguish it from wrestling and other grappling martial arts. The International Judo Federation (IJF) made this decision to emphasize the throws and techniques that are unique to judo, such as those derived from standing positions rather than direct attacks on the legs. Here are some reasons for the ban: Preservation of Judo's Traditional Techniques: Judo originally emphasized throws, joint locks, and pins that stem from a standing posture, reflecting the art's roots in samurai combat, where balance and control were crucial. Techniques that involve grabbing the legs, like single and double-leg takedowns, are more associated with wrestling than judo. The IJF aimed to keep judo distinct from other grappling arts by focusing on its traditional standing techniques. Safety Concerns: Leg grabs can lead to dangerous situations, particularly when athletes use them to counter throws or when they are performed by less skilled judokas. These moves can result in awkward falls, increasing the risk of injury. By banning leg grabs, the IJF sought to reduce injury risks and maintain safety in the sport. Spectator Appeal: The IJF also considered the visual appeal of judo. Throws that involve full-body motion and elevation tend to be more exciting for spectators. By encouraging these types of throws, the IJF hoped to make judo more appealing to audiences, which is important for the sport's growth and its inclusion in events like the Olympics. Strategic Depth: The ban on leg grabs has also been said to deepen the strategic aspects of judo. By restricting direct attacks on the legs, judokas must rely more on timing, grip fighting, and the traditional principles of kuzushi (balance breaking), tsukuri (positioning), and kake (execution) to achieve throws. The ban on leg grabs was fully implemented in 2010, following several rule changes that gradually limited their use. The IJF's rule changes were aimed at ensuring that judo remains a unique and identifiable sport with its own set of skills and techniques. Evidence for these claims can be found in the IJF's official communications and rule updates from the period leading up to and following the implementation of the ban. The IJF published reasons for the rule changes, highlighting the desire to emphasize traditional judo techniques and improve the sport's safety and spectator appeal. Additionally, commentary from judo experts and practitioners at the time of the rule changes supports these rationales.
BS, it was banned because the japanese have a hard time against "wrestling-like" moves, which generally western and central-asia athletes are better at. It was just a way to increase the ammount of medals Japan can get. This 2024 Judo is such a fraud, I'm a BJJ guy and lately have been taking down Judo guys that come to visit or gym, by using my very average doubles and single legs. Judo is dead.
@@rendarecorrentecomopcoes2336hard time? I don't know why still speak of this debunked myth. During the leg grab era the jaoanese were in top with most medals and world.champions and france was second. No central asian and eastern european nation were even close to the domination of japan.
Si solo pones vídeos en donde se defienden los ataques de pierna evidentemente dará esa impresión. Los ataques de pierna son brutales. Ya en el pasado y más aún ahora. Que la postura es excesivamente recta. Si pones a un luchador que de verdad entra a la pierna, no sabrán cono defenderse. Y lo sé porque hago las 3. Judo, Jiu Jitsu brasileño y Lucha Olímpica estilo libre y grecorromano.
Let's be totally honest about the poor posture and look at Paris Olympics in the lightest weight categories, especially in women. Their center of mass is so low that they can comfortably hug the mat despite standing on their legs so they were practically horizontal most of the time. It doesn't cost them anything and it makes it impossible to get under them to throw properly (there's a caveat where you create a great feint or hit an exact moment where you can dive under, basically hugging the ground yourself, but that exception is not important). It got better and better as the weightclasses grew and people became taller where it just wasn't worth the tradeoffs anymore. Even if the leg grabs can't come back, I hope the rules that originate from that can be changed. I think the biggest injustice in that sense was how an accidental touch under the belt, despite not leading to any action or benefit, immediately corrected higher, resulted in a shido. And when someone made a great throw and stopped the attempt to roll on the stomach mid flight by grabbing the pant and controlling them so they landed on the shoulders, I think that should also be acceptable, it was a finishing move that won't affect any of the fight and just stops the wild acrobatic spins to belly that is just confusing in terms of "why a throw that good wasn't scored". There's an argument for being proficient enough in the technique that your opponent simply can't spin, but with today's powerful judo and athleticism it's more likely that you get to spin even though you really already lost the situation. I think grabbing the pant leg at that point and stopping them from turning is a great technical play that doesn't affect the rest of the game. I genuinely think it would improve even the current rule set and look of judo if nothing was really changed in the core. Those are just consequences of trying to change another aspect with too universal wording. Having seen that morote gari, I'm happy that current judo doesn't have koka anymore. That was really just newaza already, it's like the rolling of the opponent on their back after the unsuccessful throw. I think Shintaro Higashi suggested leg grabs to be allowed on golden score only. That would at least be interesting, like you argued "has exhausted all the other options" it could be a way to end the matches before 10 minutes which is clearly what he Olympic Committee hates. What I gathered from this is that leg grab is actually a huge risk on the one who executes it: it ties you to the opponents body and if they're still in balance, they can now leverage that connection massively. In fact I kinda liked the way to defend leg grabs by pushing forwards when someone dies for morote gari, making them unable to finish it. These counter examples demonstrate that a poorly judged leg grab can be very easily scored upon, most of them just turned and used their off balance. In fact I'm not surprised +100 kg didn't do dives to legs, because few of them are that agile when the distance down is so great and you carry such a weight that has inertia fighting against moving. And the opponent's legs are like concrete support beams and you're insanely out of balance/position with your huge weight. Those huge kata gurumas were cool, but I'm also really impressed by how people figured out how to do kata guruma completely without grabbing the legs, like that pivoting is just brilliant. It feels like it should never work, but it does. "Why are you against this beauty?" my response would probably be that I'm intellectually honest and able to consider the catastrophic injuries that change someone's life and can have a nuanced discussion about which techniques are most likely to cause the worst injuries. I'm ready to talk about how someone has to deal with it for the rest of their life and what it means to that person and people around that person. I'm ready not ignore it as something that just happened once and the person disappeared from publicity. Now I'm not against that beauty but I'm able to separate my aesthetic desire and my rational thinking and consider the potential costs and tradeoffs as if I was an adult, I'm ready to acknowledge that there's reasons to it. Shintaro Higashi pointed out how the Federation analysed a huge amount of data just to change the match time. Are we confident that they didn't analyse a lot of data when they decided to ban some techniques? Are we being entitled like a kid demanding a candy bag, are we thinking our opinion and knowledge is bigger and more important than others', can we say that for certain? Have we analysed the situation from all sides before making our claims and demands? I believe the Federation works from the angle of least harm while some people I believe work from the perspective of greatest delight. Both valid, one has responsibility, the other doesn't. I know Travis Stevens still has consequences from his head/neck injury and is at risk in the future for it. And he's considered lucky in this case because he can still do stuff and just has to be careful. I can't remember which throw it was, I don't think it was any throw that isn't allowed today, but it's an example of injury potential and what kind of things we need to consider in some cases if it's relevant to the technique.
Keep preaching! Thought about going back to crosstrain judo for my bjj - but there are simply too many restrictions. Ieven though the judo practitioners in my area are great - it's simply not worth it when the dojo declares itself an 'Olympic judo dojo' (which I asked about, and was proudly told: yes :-) )
Si ils ont réussis à contrer les saisies de jambes dans l'ancien judo : POURQUOI avoir interdit ces techniques dans le judo actuel dans ce cas ? Pour le moment je m'excuse de dire que ce n'est pas logique et ça justifie absolument pas les règles absurdes des fédérations de judo (dont FranceJudo😊).
@@Chadi Du coup d'après toi qu'elle serait la raison de cette interdiction ? Tu crois à l'histoire des judoka russes qui auraient vaincus les judoka japonais avec ces saisies de jambes ? Je pratique l'ancien judo, le judo intégral/ complet avec un autre prof et lui il me dit que c'est ça. Qu'en penses-tu ?
the whole focus of judo is wrong. A sport should be player friendly before it is audience friendly. If judo give up the leg takedown to please the audience, I suggest IJF should just give everyone who bought ticket to watch judo a free John wick movie ticket
Judo became worried when wrestling style leg attacks began to WIN via minor scores so they have been systematically trying to remove wrestling tactics and techniques for decades even though they were easy to stop and counter... Judo didn't want to adapt, improvise and overcome so it just changed the rules... what a shame because the answer has always been there in old judo🤔😐 th-cam.com/video/fyTCqbbDAzI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jBGIRzhvxyL3I8AK
Conspiracy theory that’s been debunked over and over. Show me a list of 10 pure wrestlers that somehow started winning in judo at a high level. And i guarantee if you name 5 all of them trained judo for quite a while . This isn’t no gi . The gi isn’t something wrestlers are used to. Oh and if the Japanese hated wrestlers so much why did they wait decades to remove leg grabs ? And why did they continue to win against these wrestling countries for decades ? It’s almost as if it’s a different sport where wrestling doesn’t equal an automatic win. 🤔🤔🤔
Exactly. I just laugh when people come with all those BS explanations for the ban. It was simply because the Japanese style of Judo, is heavily based on hip throws and a tall posture. It's the perfect prey for a blasting double and single leg. So they couldn't win, and banned the leg grabs. Judo is dead.
@@KaitoYarikawa it’s a play on a phrase from one of the world wars, “loose lips sink ships.” It meant that if you talked about things you shouldn’t be talking about in public, the enemy might hear you and use the information to hurt your side.
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Great video again, Chadi. I was in Judo at an early age, from 4.5 to somewhere my 17. This was from 1980 to just past the mid 1990ies. Back in the day we had 2 main groups in Judo to train. This was in Belgium, EU.
One group focused on training 'Olympic Judo' and Kata, no mather what, the other trained Judo as brought to us by Jigoro Kano Sensei, more akin to how it was thought to the Emperial Japanese navy/army in the 1930ies. This obviously had a strong emphasis on selve defence and whatever limb/bodypart you could grab from your oponent you got. It was all about speed/gripstrength versus the oponent denying you these things while grapling you. Both systems had a very strong push to punish being non-attacking and staling, keeping the martial art flowing and a good training in the dojo. If you want to stall, stay at home in your sofa and watch TV, my Sensey used to say. Also, back then in Judo, focus was put on the ofence once a fight started, for very few fights are ever won on the defencive.
Skip forward to the present day, 2024 and sadly, curent day Kodokan Olympic Judo got rid of many rules and implemented many making 1930ies Judo all but Illigal. Ground game is gone, most of the locks, even standing are gone. Kane Basame and some other throws (with leg grabs) are gone... It is this Olimpic Judo that realy stays me from getting back to my beloved judo. Right now I'm way more interested in BJJ, but halas, Belgium is a Judocounrty and I can easily find 5 judoschools 15 km from where I live, there re what 2 or 3 BJJ schools in the country. Guess I'll wit a bit longer.... Or hope to find a more self defence oriented Judo school.
And good riddance with kani basami, it has no place in mainstream judo. So easy to mess up someone. Thankfully the Paris Olympics had some great newaza moments. What I wonder is if judo really is that dear if leg grabs and leg locks or some nasty jujutsu joint locks being gone from sport judo stops someone from playing judo altogether? And causes a switch to bjj that takes only a minor part of the whole jujutsu family, only a part of newaza, and focuses on it. You talk like you couldn't do newaza at judo dojos, as if it didn't exist anymore. Doesn't sound like love to me, because love lasts over time and life changing things and doesn't make you switch to others. Love makes you enjoy what you have and promote the best parts of it. And it's not like dojos won't teach leg grabs anymore, they're just not the main curriculum, there's still kata groups and other stuff.
@@Yupppi Judo split in 2, somewhere were their bid to become an Olympic discipline was accepted. Then they overfocused on one side and all but killed of the original.
You sir, with all do respect fall into the category of 'sport Judo'. An sigh, nothing too wrong with it, but to me, it feels like it has been remade for grandma and little granddaughter at Wednesday afternoon, between tea & bisquits.
I fall in the other catagory. Leg grabs AND leg locks AND for the higher ups, Kane Basami BELONG at the core of Jigoro Kane Judo, like in the 1930ies. It is a self defence MARTIAL ART, with a sportsman, sportif concept on the side, a warrior ethos and skillset at its core.
And for the sad comment you made to me:
"What I wonder is if judo really is that dear if leg grabs and leg locks or some nasty jujutsu joint locks being gone from sport judo stops someone from playing judo altogether?"
To me there is so much wrong with that. Is chess still chess if nobody starts with a knight or a bishop, because there move is more complex? How much do you allow to take away from what originaly was Judo before even you say, yeah that was the moment 'this' stopped being Judo? For me, what they bring at the Olympics IS still Judo. Just the sporterized, demonstration form of a true martial art. You made it clear to me where our vieuwpoints differ in the last part of that question: playing Judo versus practicing & training Judo. To the uneducated they look the same but they serve a different goal. One can go more hardcore at a Judo-dojo but if one starts playing self defence...
There is nothing horibly bad with the modern day Olympic Judo, it is in my humble opinion just less complete. Like if you would ban right leg kicks out of Karate or Thai Box. To me it does not make sence, to you, if everybody has the same handicap, it ain't a handicap. Me personaly, I see martial arts as a form of functional self defence that I hopefully never have a practical use for, BUT, on that one day I need it, second is first looser, not silver medalist.
I think the current environment of bjj is quite a bit better that what you describe. I live in Ghent, there are actually 3 BJJ clubs in Ghent alone... It's getting a lot more popular so you might be able to find a club near you.
@@jarnovandevoorde1881 I do hope so... I wish you well in BJJ and hope for you to be part of a good group of people looking out for each others safety during training still keeping things real and legit.
First off greetings from the u.s.a secondly thats great that you have 5 judo schools within 15 km/10 miles. In america its the opposite bjj is really easy to find while there areonly 60,000 judoka in america. Ive done some judo and love it compared to bjj.
The IJF needs to publish something on injuries. I’m all for leg grabs, but I can see people getting picked up by someone like illiadis and trying to save themselves by putting their neck in the way of the landing. There’s just too much control with the gi and when you’re up in the air things can get dangerous. Just my thoughts but I have no evidence. IJF should provide it though!
He looked fine to me. But it has to be said that the type of injuries you’re referring can also be debated that they can happen with techniques such as Utsuri Goshi and Ura Nage. Should we ban them too? If so, where do we draw the line ?
Yeah it’s a difficult debate. I think the line has to be somewhere around satisfying all parties. We definitely need to reintroduce legislation grabs in some capacity
@@ChadiPorém em utsuri-goshi e ura-nage os ataques partem do meio do corpo para cima, o risco é muito menor. Quando se faz um ataque com a parte inferior do corpo erguida, o impacto é maior. Eu mesmo já parei no hospital após ser arremessado de cabeça com um sukui-nage (te-guruma).
It’s basically gi wrestling. And yeah you have control, but not that much, in many ways throws lock in a direction of a throw, but with far less control than in actual wrestling, there’s more distance between the two competitors in many of these moves, there’s way more room to move and wiggle around. I get the impression the head/neck rule is just a fancy rule to keep judo a “gentleman’s sport” just like disallowing collar ties and grabbing the head of the opponent. A semi-pointless rule that exists just for the sake of existing.
The throws that happen in judo nowadays (when competitors actually try), are much more likely to spike you on your head than throws which include legs. Leg-inclusive throws involve more whole body rotation and flat back landings as opposed to crown and high shoulder landings and roll throughs.
@@Chadiyes, like the Kazakh athlete broke Uzbek's hand with Uran Nage at the Grand Slam in Tashkent. But that was Uzbekistan judoka's fault as he extended his arm straight and landed on it.
Sensei, I only started judo after legs were outlawed. I took up some bjj in between judo just to see what it was like, but your video has been very fascinating. Thanks
Look up traditional Jujitsu , it's my background , I know alot of leg locks.
Chadi, what do you think of counting pins when the fighter is on their belly? I've noticed traditional jujutsu styles favor pinning with the stomach facing down over the back, since the opponent can't use their arms. I think this would revolutionize judo and penalize stalling.
I think Nick Yonezuka has said that too one time. Maybe a rule where if tori has 2 or more hooks in it counts as a pin.
I love your content Chadi.
🙇🏻♂️
Definitely deserves much more views.
Chadi it's me Andre, hey I love your content and I purchased Super stars judo about 3 months ago and I LOVE IT...
Its funny when people say leg grabs was removed becase of eastern Europeans and central Asians but in reality those countries traditional wrestling styles are upperbody focused.
eastern Europeans and central Asians have some extreme wrestling style, some are 90% upper body and some are 90% leg
It was removed cause the Japanese are tryna cheat
It's BS when they say that leg grab shots where removed because Wrestlers dominating. You see Jason Morris was able to stop leg grab style wrestlers with his throws in a wrestling no gi match. Now imagine Wrestlers who have very minimal Gi training transitioning to a Judo rules set. Not a chance. It's two different sportive events. Judo will always dominate in the Judo sport. etc.
@@Jamie-zs8ok Both Jason Morris and Jimmy Pedro cross trained in wrestling because there were not enough good Judo Clubs to train in Judo. To quote Jimmy Pedro, " You need the bodies to train." Jason Morris told me he would travel up to Toronto to train in Judo. I asked him if they were that good? He also said, it was a good club that always had 25 or more people to train with. Most Judo Dojos in the US would be lucky to have 10 adults 3 times a week.
It wasn't because wrestling techniques were so good that it gave them some advantages. In fact both of them were top level wrestlers because Judo gave them a huge advantage over wrestlers. Jimmy Pedro was an All American wrestler and Jason Morris was top in his category.
It was removed because of the Japanese who did not liked it.
Politics.
Good memories. We had a little Dojo, Vista CA, in the 70's and 80's. Our Sensi was Mr Bonar. One of the best! On practice nights, I forgot the Japanese name of those, he'd take on all of us, 6 to 8 of us one at a time. Now that's allot of work! Then eventually, guess what? You'd be doing the same thing eventually! Holy moly! It was, i think better to be a small Dojo. The instruction was more intense and focused. I'm 57 now. I do my best to pratice on my own. I miss those days.
2:00 I'm spaniard and i admire Isabel Fernández because she won both world and Olympic gold medals for my country, but i have to admit that Harai Makikomi she suffers is beautiful.
Those winding variants are so strong.
anyway yeah I love leg grabs, one of the best Judoka ever Pawel Nastula had attacks from every damm direction but he had great leg grabs, could u do and video on him plus other Central or Eastern Euro greats ?
I think diving down to a leg pick is a bit dangerous in Judo, because of the gi. I feel if I do that I will be giving back of the neck to grab easily. In wrestling its not that easy to grab hold of you opponent for a long time. But that's maybe me being beginner in both :D
Anyone else hurt a little inside when Chadi called judo from our competition days "old?"
I hurt ever time I see a sublime old kata guruma
You can do all judo throws and wrestling takedowns in BJJ. BJJ is where I do Full Judo and Wrestling 💪🏾🤝🏾
That match between the Korean and Azerbaijan guy looked epic.
I need to find a dojo to train actual judo, without all these grip limitations
O and I loved how u put my boys Irakli Cirekidze vs lliadis in your video, go Georgia
Hello Chadi
Vu ton point de vue sur les règles du judo je comprends pas pourquoi tu n'es pas passé sur le Sambo Sportif
Bonne soirée
Keep the good work
My interest in Judo is as a martial art and a viable self-defense system. Thus, the only acceptable bans are those that concern the safety of your training partner. For example, it is my belief that kani basami should be banned in randori, but practiced in a very controlled manner as a separate exercise, with both tori and uke having discussed exactly how it is going to be executed. Any other rules simply artificially remove viable techniques and are as such detrimental to the martial aspect of the art.
IJF and the Olympics are destroying Judo via trickle down effect with their dumb (or perhaps political) rules. Instead of flourishing and being widely available, true Judo will retreat back to the underground, where it may linger and vanish, or emerge again in the wide public but only after many years.
Спасибо)
about the bent over like wrestling stance in judo, I've just realized BJJ doesn't look like that because of the standing headlocks, too bad judo is going an opposite weird direction but allowing enter a choke while standing would be an interesting option
I agree with what is shown. Never realy understood why leg grabs were banned. Seeing recent Olympic judo, i say: bring back the leg grabs and the yuko. Maybe not the koka, looked always as 'no score' to me.
10:34 Square stance, staggered stance establish grips or counter grip, head position, then apply the technique.
7:38 well executed technique
Rousey vs Tate 2 is a good example of offense with leg grabs and counters against leg grabs.
De combien étaient le ratio a l'époque entre les attaques sur les jambes et les attaques sur le haut du corps
I always feel like it was the Olympics main example Dr Rhadi Ferguson 2004 was double leg slamming EVERYBODY and then Beijing came around and no leg grabs me personally I am for the leg grabs I think they should be brought back but my self personally I have always felt like the Olympics was the reason for the change.
I prefer judo with leg grabs. The IJF made a huge mistake removing to comply with IOC.
I'd like to see leggrabs back, but I do wonder if leggrabs was more of an issue in the lower amateur levels. I could see people struggling against leg takedowns or people using a bad leg takedown as a means to constantly halt the fight.
Each time people question Judo rules, I think to myself that Jiu-Jitsu rules allow it all except the kani-basami. Thanks for the videos, and keep up the great work 🍍🔥🥋😀
That’s true but for me the focus on stand up and the judo win condition is much more interesting and fun imo
As a BJJ Fighter, I love Judo and I really don't understand why they completely restrict the Arsenal of Judo by banning leg grabs..
10:04 kata guruma is done incorrectly because the neck is not clamping on the top of the arm or dunk.
I’m starting to fall more into judo 🥋 but as a practitioner it seems to me jitsu is the harder sport
Simply back to the old judo rules of judo.Only kawazu gake, kani basami and ashi garami are prohibited at that times.
Cool
I thought you were in between pro and against for banning leg grabs based on the previous videos that you posted? Or I thought you were ok with leg grabs with certain conditions being applied. And now you are all for leg grabs? If so, what made you change your mind to that? Just curious.
Ug judo looked so.much better in the 2005 era
For me judo was its best in early 2000. And it's worst about 2010 just before first rules for the leg grabs came. I was competiting that time. Most techniques used were very low katagurumas, leg grabs, drop seoi nage, sumigaeshi, etc. especially in low weight kategories people were in 90 degree angle allways defendig their legs. However I allways believed that classic judo with good posture was best, and if you are good at it, you can counter any leg grab with it.
After leg grab rules came I saw very much developement of ashi waza and i think todays elite judokas are amazingly good doing footsweeps, ashigurumas, hizagurumas..etc... throws wich were not so used before, except japanese and some very talented players.
Still I miss leg grabs, like Te-guruma, wich was the best defense against cross grip, and Kata guruma wich were my tokui waza. Leg grab rules forced also myself to study more of ashi waza.
It would be interesting to see what happens if leg grabs would be allowed. Meny of todays top judokas have never trained them.
I think they are big part of judo and banning them forever can't be permanent solution.
Leg grabs were banned in judo to preserve the sport's traditional techniques and values, and to distinguish it from wrestling and other grappling martial arts. The International Judo Federation (IJF) made this decision to emphasize the throws and techniques that are unique to judo, such as those derived from standing positions rather than direct attacks on the legs.
Here are some reasons for the ban:
Preservation of Judo's Traditional Techniques: Judo originally emphasized throws, joint locks, and pins that stem from a standing posture, reflecting the art's roots in samurai combat, where balance and control were crucial. Techniques that involve grabbing the legs, like single and double-leg takedowns, are more associated with wrestling than judo. The IJF aimed to keep judo distinct from other grappling arts by focusing on its traditional standing techniques.
Safety Concerns: Leg grabs can lead to dangerous situations, particularly when athletes use them to counter throws or when they are performed by less skilled judokas. These moves can result in awkward falls, increasing the risk of injury. By banning leg grabs, the IJF sought to reduce injury risks and maintain safety in the sport.
Spectator Appeal: The IJF also considered the visual appeal of judo. Throws that involve full-body motion and elevation tend to be more exciting for spectators. By encouraging these types of throws, the IJF hoped to make judo more appealing to audiences, which is important for the sport's growth and its inclusion in events like the Olympics.
Strategic Depth: The ban on leg grabs has also been said to deepen the strategic aspects of judo. By restricting direct attacks on the legs, judokas must rely more on timing, grip fighting, and the traditional principles of kuzushi (balance breaking), tsukuri (positioning), and kake (execution) to achieve throws.
The ban on leg grabs was fully implemented in 2010, following several rule changes that gradually limited their use. The IJF's rule changes were aimed at ensuring that judo remains a unique and identifiable sport with its own set of skills and techniques.
Evidence for these claims can be found in the IJF's official communications and rule updates from the period leading up to and following the implementation of the ban. The IJF published reasons for the rule changes, highlighting the desire to emphasize traditional judo techniques and improve the sport's safety and spectator appeal. Additionally, commentary from judo experts and practitioners at the time of the rule changes supports these rationales.
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@@CabralNick It brings back hope to human intelligence to see how many directly identify "AI" output. 👍
BS, it was banned because the japanese have a hard time against "wrestling-like" moves, which generally western and central-asia athletes are better at. It was just a way to increase the ammount of medals Japan can get. This 2024 Judo is such a fraud, I'm a BJJ guy and lately have been taking down Judo guys that come to visit or gym, by using my very average doubles and single legs. Judo is dead.
@@rendarecorrentecomopcoes2336hard time? I don't know why still speak of this debunked myth. During the leg grab era the jaoanese were in top with most medals and world.champions and france was second. No central asian and eastern european nation were even close to the domination of japan.
@@dhimankalita1690 Because they have no idea what they are talking about.
Si solo pones vídeos en donde se defienden los ataques de pierna evidentemente dará esa impresión. Los ataques de pierna son brutales. Ya en el pasado y más aún ahora. Que la postura es excesivamente recta. Si pones a un luchador que de verdad entra a la pierna, no sabrán cono defenderse. Y lo sé porque hago las 3. Judo, Jiu Jitsu brasileño y Lucha Olímpica estilo libre y grecorromano.
Obi-tori-gaeshi is Khabareli.
3:16 he counters whites grips with the same grips and then enters with the technique.
Let's be totally honest about the poor posture and look at Paris Olympics in the lightest weight categories, especially in women. Their center of mass is so low that they can comfortably hug the mat despite standing on their legs so they were practically horizontal most of the time. It doesn't cost them anything and it makes it impossible to get under them to throw properly (there's a caveat where you create a great feint or hit an exact moment where you can dive under, basically hugging the ground yourself, but that exception is not important). It got better and better as the weightclasses grew and people became taller where it just wasn't worth the tradeoffs anymore.
Even if the leg grabs can't come back, I hope the rules that originate from that can be changed. I think the biggest injustice in that sense was how an accidental touch under the belt, despite not leading to any action or benefit, immediately corrected higher, resulted in a shido. And when someone made a great throw and stopped the attempt to roll on the stomach mid flight by grabbing the pant and controlling them so they landed on the shoulders, I think that should also be acceptable, it was a finishing move that won't affect any of the fight and just stops the wild acrobatic spins to belly that is just confusing in terms of "why a throw that good wasn't scored". There's an argument for being proficient enough in the technique that your opponent simply can't spin, but with today's powerful judo and athleticism it's more likely that you get to spin even though you really already lost the situation. I think grabbing the pant leg at that point and stopping them from turning is a great technical play that doesn't affect the rest of the game. I genuinely think it would improve even the current rule set and look of judo if nothing was really changed in the core. Those are just consequences of trying to change another aspect with too universal wording.
Having seen that morote gari, I'm happy that current judo doesn't have koka anymore. That was really just newaza already, it's like the rolling of the opponent on their back after the unsuccessful throw. I think Shintaro Higashi suggested leg grabs to be allowed on golden score only. That would at least be interesting, like you argued "has exhausted all the other options" it could be a way to end the matches before 10 minutes which is clearly what he Olympic Committee hates.
What I gathered from this is that leg grab is actually a huge risk on the one who executes it: it ties you to the opponents body and if they're still in balance, they can now leverage that connection massively. In fact I kinda liked the way to defend leg grabs by pushing forwards when someone dies for morote gari, making them unable to finish it. These counter examples demonstrate that a poorly judged leg grab can be very easily scored upon, most of them just turned and used their off balance. In fact I'm not surprised +100 kg didn't do dives to legs, because few of them are that agile when the distance down is so great and you carry such a weight that has inertia fighting against moving. And the opponent's legs are like concrete support beams and you're insanely out of balance/position with your huge weight.
Those huge kata gurumas were cool, but I'm also really impressed by how people figured out how to do kata guruma completely without grabbing the legs, like that pivoting is just brilliant. It feels like it should never work, but it does. "Why are you against this beauty?" my response would probably be that I'm intellectually honest and able to consider the catastrophic injuries that change someone's life and can have a nuanced discussion about which techniques are most likely to cause the worst injuries. I'm ready to talk about how someone has to deal with it for the rest of their life and what it means to that person and people around that person. I'm ready not ignore it as something that just happened once and the person disappeared from publicity. Now I'm not against that beauty but I'm able to separate my aesthetic desire and my rational thinking and consider the potential costs and tradeoffs as if I was an adult, I'm ready to acknowledge that there's reasons to it. Shintaro Higashi pointed out how the Federation analysed a huge amount of data just to change the match time. Are we confident that they didn't analyse a lot of data when they decided to ban some techniques? Are we being entitled like a kid demanding a candy bag, are we thinking our opinion and knowledge is bigger and more important than others', can we say that for certain? Have we analysed the situation from all sides before making our claims and demands? I believe the Federation works from the angle of least harm while some people I believe work from the perspective of greatest delight. Both valid, one has responsibility, the other doesn't.
I know Travis Stevens still has consequences from his head/neck injury and is at risk in the future for it. And he's considered lucky in this case because he can still do stuff and just has to be careful. I can't remember which throw it was, I don't think it was any throw that isn't allowed today, but it's an example of injury potential and what kind of things we need to consider in some cases if it's relevant to the technique.
If you want to know how judo should go forward get in kontact
why judo dont finish the fight after throw?
Because the throw is supposed to finish the fight.
Leah McCourt vs Sara McMann is a good example of success and failure of both Judo and Wrestling.
Keep preaching!
Thought about going back to crosstrain judo for my bjj - but there are simply too many restrictions. Ieven though the judo practitioners in my area are great - it's simply not worth it when the dojo declares itself an 'Olympic judo dojo' (which I asked about, and was proudly told: yes :-) )
Si ils ont réussis à contrer les saisies de jambes dans l'ancien judo : POURQUOI avoir interdit ces techniques dans le judo actuel dans ce cas ? Pour le moment je m'excuse de dire que ce n'est pas logique et ça justifie absolument pas les règles absurdes des fédérations de judo (dont FranceJudo😊).
Je suis d’accord
@@Chadi Du coup d'après toi qu'elle serait la raison de cette interdiction ?
Tu crois à l'histoire des judoka russes qui auraient vaincus les judoka japonais avec ces saisies de jambes ?
Je pratique l'ancien judo, le judo intégral/ complet avec un autre prof et lui il me dit que c'est ça. Qu'en penses-tu ?
2:26 that's a horrible technique for blue her weights already off likes she's doing a cartwheel not a proper sit down single.
Just take a look at Judo's 2012 Olympics, there was no leg grabs and the japanese had their worst ever!
I stop playing judo after the rule change, it is bullshit and it killed the technique openess in the sport for me.
the whole focus of judo is wrong. A sport should be player friendly before it is audience friendly. If judo give up the leg takedown to please the audience, I suggest IJF should just give everyone who bought ticket to watch judo a free John wick movie ticket
6:22 simply grotesque... thank goodness there are no more leg grabs
Only grotesque thing Is ijf legrabs better than shidow for breathing incorrectly
@@random-user100 In the old rules, fights were won by ONE shido and there wasn't as much crying as there is today.... curious, isn't it?
They removed leg grabs because wrestlers were coming in with little judo experience and SMASHING judokas.
Judo became worried when wrestling style leg attacks began to WIN via minor scores so they have been systematically trying to remove wrestling tactics and techniques for decades even though they were easy to stop and counter... Judo didn't want to adapt, improvise and overcome so it just changed the rules... what a shame because the answer has always been there in old judo🤔😐
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Conspiracy theory that’s been debunked over and over. Show me a list of 10 pure wrestlers that somehow started winning in judo at a high level. And i guarantee if you name 5 all of them trained judo for quite a while .
This isn’t no gi . The gi isn’t something wrestlers are used to. Oh and if the Japanese hated wrestlers so much why did they wait decades to remove leg grabs ? And why did they continue to win against these wrestling countries for decades ? It’s almost as if it’s a different sport where wrestling doesn’t equal an automatic win. 🤔🤔🤔
Exactly. I just laugh when people come with all those BS explanations for the ban. It was simply because the Japanese style of Judo, is heavily based on hip throws and a tall posture. It's the perfect prey for a blasting double and single leg. So they couldn't win, and banned the leg grabs. Judo is dead.
You again wrestler?
@@rendarecorrentecomopcoes2336Another anoying wrestler who did bad the Judo classes
@@rendarecorrentecomopcoes2336Another wrestler who did wrong the Judo lessons
Weak grips sink ships.
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@@KaitoYarikawa it’s a play on a phrase from one of the world wars, “loose lips sink ships.” It meant that if you talked about things you shouldn’t be talking about in public, the enemy might hear you and use the information to hurt your side.
@@clacicleThats true...
You mean about wrestlers or Judokas?
@@KaitoYarikawa it can apply to grappling art.