The End of Pokémon Scarlet and Violet | The Indigo Disk REVIEW
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A word of advice Gamefreak if you're going to make a open world Pokemon game maybe get people who actually know how to make a open world game like the people who worked on Legend Of Zelda Breath Of The Wild🛡️
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I bought raycons twice. Both had the same issue of one earbud getting SUPER quiet. I hate raycon so much@gabe_0x
I have Samsung earbuds now for a few years and ZERO issues, I use them every day
Arceus almighty, seeing the already muddy textures flicker out of existence in a scripted cutscene is unforgivable
3:47 Seriously, what the shit?
Sadly that's mainly an engine issue, it's why I believe Game Freak are most likely changing engines soon since for the longest time they've only used their in house propriety engine and clearly it's doing more than it was intended to.
@@friendlyotaku9525 It is very much not an engine issue, the game is extremely poorly optimized for the system. We know by now that not only the Switch can handle more detailed landscapes very well, but also that GameFreak dropped the ball with the development of this game. The entire map is loaded, and terrain animations are going on at all time, despite the player not even being in that area, as an example.
@@mitishh516 it is an engine issue as the engine is very much not designed for a game like this, as it is a very old proprietary engine that Game Freak use and have used for a long time, pretty sure they've used this same engine since the days of FRLG. There's been talk about Game Freak moving over to Unreal Engine, so that's probably why. I do look into these things!
@@mitishh516 The poor optimization might well be partly a result of the poor coding of the engine. Game Freak's in-house engine is not used by any other switch games. For example some of the best-looking games on the switch run in monolith soft's in-house engine or capcom's RE engine.
Ngl its both funny and sad somewhat that you can see the landscape glitching out while the cutscenes are going through them
I spent so much time with this game and after leaving it to play other games it's still completely baffling that this was released in this state
@@KidBowsur I don't think it's something they can really fix since I do think this is an engine issue more than anything.
@@friendlyotaku9525 but the switch can run so much more on it than pokemon as we've seen with xenoblade and Zelda, so it really feels like the engine can't be the excuse.
@@thoughtsofaleo2916 I'm talking about Game Freak's in house engine, it's super old and clearly is doing more than it was really designed to do. I'm not talking about the Switch hardware itself.
@@friendlyotaku9525Then use a better engine? Lmao what
I feel conflicted with these games and dlcs since they showed that they can still come up with great ideas but spend no time executing them. Imagine if these games didn’t have to meet a deadline, every concept not being half baked truly would’ve resulted in an amazing game. The story not feeling conclusive at all with terrapagos was all I needed to know about these dlcs to not get them, great ideas with next to no execution
I just wonder why Terapagos looked more eldritch in the books.
I think having 3-5 years to really flesh out a great game would be amazing
Honestly, it feels a little weird that ogerpon feels way more important and fleshed out story wise than the "treasure of area zero"
Honestly, if the games were stable and had effort put into their looks they'd be regarded as one of the best. I firmly believe this.
The deadline wouldn't fix things, Gamefreak always had issues with game design. They struggle to see issues and being relatively small means there isn't enough variety to discover these till it is too late.
It was only when they built on the Pokemon engine 3+ times in a row did things get stable and function as intended and not have massive oversights. Look at their spin offs or non-Pokemon games and you can find glaring issues.
Heck one of the simplest exploits in Arceus is don't fight the bosses just throw more sand for an easier fight and stuff like Speed Buff into a Strong Attack. Both things are incredibly easy to find for outsiders but insiders struggle with.
To put it simply, this game and DLC are all sorts of wild and delicious flavors all crammed into a half-baked crust. Had they left this game to cook for a year longer, it would’ve been AMAZING
At least a year, maybe two
This right here sums it up.
Pokemon is still coming up with some great dishes, but they have not cooked them properly, and it is hard to stomach-if not outright inedible.
That is Pokémon's biggest problem now. The games are genuinely good, but by God, they need more time to develop. Putting out new games every 2 years simply does not work for any game developer nowadays.
@@johnshedd6420 imagine it would have a comeback like cyberpunk 2077 😢
It is utterly ridiculous that Horsea is floating above a mucky puddle of water, while Haxorus has to have a baby floatie under him, just to fight.
I think that Keiran would have been a wonderful character in the digimon universe Arlo. There would have been so many dark digimon who would have been *happy* to take advantage of his personal shortcomings and negative emotions.
I mean to be fair, doubles Incineroar is more evil than any digimon villain.
Kieran is honestly my favourite character in a long while. He made me care for him while having disdain for his later actions. But his background as a shy introvert with a difficult home life make his turn understandable.
He proved to me that Pokemon have the potential to make compelling characters, I just wish they did more with the story.
The way you ended it is entirely accurate: it’s hard to care when you get all these features at the very end of the game’s shelf life, when you’re done with most of the content already. They strip all the content we’ve had for decades (and the actual Pokémon!) and then give it to us at the end of a dlc pack with some other neat new things that I don’t even feel like playing around with, cuz like you said, I’m mostly done and a new game is probably right around the corner.
They didn't strip flying or playing as pokemon?
You're taking your frustrations about dexit and mistranslating them to what Arlo said
@@zerogravitee we did have somewhat similar flying in ORAS, technically speaking, but I think he means that the flying with Xraidon should've already been a thing in the base game so that you could actually use it during your playthrough instead of just at the very end. I think the same goes for the caves in the DLC, the base game caves are really lacking.
Now I don't think the "3rd game" model was good either, but at least they always provided an improved experience of the base game with some things on top so a lot of the problems with the original pair of games didn't exist at all or were mitigated in the 3rd version, so especially in retrospect you could just buy the 3rd version to get the definitive experience.
Gen5 gave us sequels instead, and those were amazing but the originals weren't actually in that much need of fixing either so the gen as a whole works well. Then in Gen6 we get XY which definitely needed a lot of improvements but didn't get them at all. In Gen7 for some reason they released two "3rd version"s which at the same time both improved and broke things depending on who you ask.
And finally we're at the DLC system we have now in Gen8 and 9, which do diddly squat to the shitloads of problems that the respective base games have in favor of just providing new stuff in its own separate bubble. I really don't think the DLC's are worth their money, maybe half of their cost at most. At the very least they should fix the major problems of the base games on top of the new content then _maybe_ I could consider them worth the money but probably not. I just think it sucks that we now are just stuck with the pretty bare-bones base games when before it was at least possible to get a much better quality experience, eventually.
@@zerogravitee Couldn't fly for real til last DLC, Pokemon following you is a broken mess when it was mastered in fucking Yellow version (and HGSS), Dexit IS frustrating and it's valid to be frustrated about it, no more megas, no more battle tower or battle frontier, no more dynamax, cant even grind in the elite 4 anymore, and so much more. Modern Pokemon generations are an exercise in selling you back content that used to be the standard. (And it's Pokemon, so in terms of gameplay standards, the bar is already pretty low, so this busines practice is just dirty and disrespectful.)
If they let us join random union room instead of locking us behind link codes it would be better imo. that or give us way more bbq points per quest. The grind is a bit demoralizing.
Definitely had to sit in the reddit union circle forum to get into groups myself. Totally worth it, but sad it was required.
Yeah I think with all these great co-op features they should look into making it more seamless again, like it was in the wild area in sword and shield, where random people just are walking around on your map when you are online. That would be so much more fun. That and they really need voice acting for gen 10. These two things would be the main things they should look into improving... outside of the technical issues of course.
@@CryZe92 Remember the PSS...?
Always wondered why you couldnt randomly join a Union room, call it a wonder room or something. It just seems like such an obvious thing
The thing I found most interesting about the DLC's story was the meta elements going on with Kieran.
Like, we all know how it goes with Pokemon. You show up, you battle people, you hear about the new legendary and it decides it wants to be your friend, and all your opponents and rivals come to respect you and be your friend too- and that's exactly how the Teal Mask went.
...Except that Kieran didn't become your friend. Instead, he had the much more realistic reaction of being FRUSTRATED by losing to you over and over. Here in Indigo Disk, he says how WEIRD it is that his sister, who hates outsiders, somehow became best friends with you. Not only that but he talks about how unfair it is that Ogerpon, the Pokemon he loves, the Pokemon that ONLY he loved, that everyone else treated like a monster, that he's been totally obsessed with... decided to befriend YOU, a complete stranger that only heard about it like 5 minutes ago.
He starts acknowledging how unfair it is, that you win EVERY battle, befriend EVERY enemy, and catch EVERY legendary. In the final battle against him, he even had the line when I got a crit against him "You're still lucky even NOW?! What are you, the main character or something?!" So of course he immediately acts to try and get SOMETHING for himself, and chucks the Master Ball at the legendary, because of COURSE, even though he's the one that found it and pulled it from it's resting spot, OF COURSE it takes one look at you and wants to be your friend instead of his, and OF COURSE that set him off.
...Oooof course then it takes that interesting idea, that leaning on the fourth wall, and doesn't DO anything with it. After that, he's your friend now, same as everyone else. Even though he frankly got robbed of the legendary he rightfully earned and deserves. You can always count on Pokemon to squander it's potential and interesting ideas.
YES I loved that there was finally a rival who got so frustrated by losing and became worse for it. As much as I'm glad Kieran got a little arc and is now our friend, I do wish they had leaned even more into it and I hope they have a character like him in the future that we can be with longer term so that we can actually see that dislike instead of having it resolved so quickly.
I really hate how he just became our friend again. Would've preferred if he became a full on villain and stormed off afterwards.
I see what you're saying about Kieran's arc being a bit meta and a more realistic reaction, but I think they told the exact story they wanted to tell.
The DLC did acknowledge how easy/lucky you have it as a protagonist more than it usually does, which made Kieran's frustration understandable...but he got so jealous and angry and obsessed that he lost any joy from battling and he took it out on everyone else.
The main theme of this game is finding your treasure...but not becoming so obsessed with it that you hurt or disregard the people and creatures around you.
Maybe someday we'll get a Pokemon story that plays around with the protagonist role and the other characters more, but at the end of the day, the moral of every Pokemon game is always gonna be a different flavor of "the real becoming a Pokemon Master was the friends we made along the way".
(If anything, it's one of the most direct meta morals that could be levied at toxic competitive players - "Yo, don't be so obsessed with winning that you can't enjoy anything else".)
I hope they use this in the future for rivals, characters which have the capability to change rather than yet another static rival who never changes. Although SV's gameplay is my least favorite out of all the games, I think they should take notes for what they did in terms of story and try to change that up instead
Kieran's attitude about this whole thing made me want alternative endings for when you lost
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I know this is unrelated to the topic at hand but I have no idea when you'll talk about this next and I want to make sure you see this. Because of YOU, I finally played Pikmin. And it's good. Like, REALLY good. It's criminally underrated given how poorly the games have sold and I'm sad about that. Thanks for introducing me to the series that SHOULD HAVE BEEN the next Mario!!
Scarlet and Violet are the epitome of love hate.
Well their greed for the series definitely reached a whole new low for us to really see why, and it is because the devs hate the series as well. Why else would they release a buggy mess called a game with cut content sold back as DLC?
@@Openreality Note its the TPCI who has the greed not Game Freak, they clearly did not have the time to make this game and it did not help the hardware is not very strong either.
@@matthewLkidderThe hardware to be frank, is no excuse. There are plenty of games that are bigger, prettier, and better on systems of the same power or less. While it is in a large part TPCI, I’d levy some of the blame also at Gamefreak because based on their company website, they’re extremely behind the industry in terms of 3D development, even compared to other franchises under Nintendo.
@@matthewLkidder I thought we were beyond blaming the hardware at this point? It has been proven that it isn't the hardware's fault. The bugs and glitches are baked into the game, nothing can force them out, it is fundamentally broken. Yes it may lag, but they only had one console to work with, they should have been able to work within their limitations. It also still lags on emulators on more powerful machines. So even brute force does not make this game better. And honestly? It is pretty ugly in places and constantly struggling with pop-in, so I have no idea why it is lagging, as it seems like everything not nailed down disappears at one point or other 😂 There is no excuse at this point. Other Nintendo games don't struggle like this, GameFreak need to get their act together, but won't, as it is too profitable and they are lazy.
@@matthewLkidder we also have games like TemTem with smaller teams who have to work with multiple platforms and yet have produced better and smoother games than this. This is one platform with a console they should know inside out by now.
About the meeting with the professor at the lake, it's probably not a "bootstrap loop" like many people think, and there are 3 very important details to establish this:
- the professor him/herself mentions different timelines as soon as he arrives, as to hint that he's from one of those and not YOUR past
- the professor gives you their book, the same book they had since childhood, since it has their name written on it with a "childlike" handwriting. The issue here is that Arven also has that exact book from the beginning of the game, so either the professor had 2 of them (unlikely, since they claim that it hurts to give it away, but why would it if they had 2?) or, more likely, there was only one book but "yours" was from a different timeline
- the most important detail is that in the notes found while descending area zero, the professor claims to first create the time machine and THEN Arven was born, while the one at the lake claims to already have a son but the time machine still isn't working.
If this is true, it implies various things:
- Terapagos, or at least the crystals/terastal energy can create links between different timelines
- the time machine should be renamed "timeline gachapon with built-in desire sensor"
- maybe, since the professor from the other timeline had Arven before the time machine was completed, this time they'll prioritize him over the research, MAYBE
I think the games can be summed up in this, "Made with enough love but not enough time"
A friend of mine summed up the entire experience as "I had fun, despite the game's best efforts."
l usually say "it can be a fun game, but it's by no means a good game". The game runs poorly, looks ugly and is pretty bland, but it do be having cool pokemon so (sadly) that makes up for almost all of it
The Kieran/Carmine dynamic is as realistic a sibling dynamic I've seen in a bit.
Their dynamic reminds me of Raph and Mikey from tmnt 2012.
With one notable exception, it was a bit refreshing for a non-antagonistic character to not be especially saccharine. Carmine reminds me of my own older sister, but unlike her, Carmine grew and realized how much her behavior was hurting her younger brother. And Kieran's villain arc is a very plausible reaction to the events of the Teal Mask, too.
My main gripe with the game is the Union circle and the fact you have to do like 10+ group quests to get all of the legendary snacks from snacksworth if you already have done 120 solo quests. It makes it more difficult than it needs to be
Mind boggling that they don't let you join with Randoms
@@JojoTheVulture I agree, I had to find a random discord server that I randomly found on a Pokémon article
I know this isn't how the game process works for Pokemon (SV was likely in development when SwSh went out), but I like to think that they saw how much everyone hated the SwSh story that they turned the SV story dial up to 11 because they absolutely delivered in all aspects.
I'm so glad to hear you also didn't like Teal Mask very much - after I played it, I straight up told my friend not to buy the DLC because it wasn't worth it, from the trainers being under leveled to the story literally dragging you along and giving you the illusion of choice with Kieran to the first DLC just not really adding that much besides more Pokemon to catch - it just wasn't enough for me personally. But after Indigo Disk and the epilogue, I do think the DLC is worth it, especially if you like these games as much as I do, but I very much agree with you in that if you're not into SV/on the fence, it's not worth getting because it won't change your mind.
I do wish they would give SV another year, whether that's with DLC in fall or whatever, because I do really like these characters and feel like there's still so much to explore story-wise - it's fun being the kind of person who plays Pokemon for the story (I've been suffering lmao). Also, the epilogue was fun and wacky, but it was super short and I wanted more of the full gang together. Plus, if they give SV another year of content, it'll give whatever the next Pokemon game is time to cook and we all know they need as much time as they can get with their track record lately.
If this is the end of SV content, then I very much feel exactly how I felt after the base game ended: I can't believe how much I love this terrible, barely functioning game. Like they nailed it with story, characters, and music, but good god the game isn't even finished! And it's not like they have any reason to finish any future games because SV was insanely successful, but it's so frustrating to see how much heart and soul they put into these games only to be held back by The Pokemon Company NEEDING to have a Christmas release. I really can only hope that they see how much people love the story and characters they've created and keep it up with the future games - I am just praying for them to be remotely finished, like PLEASE.
(Awesome review as always! You've become one of my favorite reviewers and I'm super excited to see what happens next on The Raycon Saga...)
I honestly thought you wouldn’t enjoy the Area Zero part of the Indigo Disk. The storyline once it got to that part felt kind of like a nothing-burger, almost an afterthought.
Terapogos is unexplored almost entirely. It’s powers and the whole Astral type thing just feel like a gimmick rather than expanding the Terastal phenomenon lore. And then it just randomly has time powers, that are only shown for that one professor cutscene.
We also get little info into the true nature of Paradox Pokémon. For example, how did Heath the explorer come across various Paradox species in an era where Terapogos was asleep and the time machine didn’t exist? Where did they come from?
I was really let down in that department, but I’m glad you had fun with it.
My assumption is still that terapagos is the legendary of imagination, since A: they drop the word imagination like 7 more times in the DLC, B: if the scene where you speak to the professor is real it would create a whole new level of time paradox, and C: the NPCs in kitakami talk about other people at the lake in the past also being able to speak to images of the deceased. These three points indicate to me that terapagos simply gives people want they want to see from their imaginations. In the protagonist's case, we wanted an explanation for what has occurred, so it made up a convincing illusion of a resolution that still hides tera energy's true nature from human understanding.
The secret cutscene at Kitikami in the post-game basically explains it through exposition. Terapagos has the ability to transport people and Pokemon through time AND other timelines that went through different evolutionary pathways, which are what Paradox Pokemon are. I assume Terapagos was only asleep in present day when Professor Sada/Turo met it, but it was awakened when Heath was in Area Zero- which explains how he say Terapago's Stellar Form and how he was transported into another timeline and saw Paradox Pokemon there.
The Time Machine basically is needed to harness Terapagos's power while it is sleeping, Terapagos can do that on its own.
@@flerken4233 that theory doesn't really provide an explanation for any of the pokedex entries in the opposite versions, the drawings/photos in the scarlet and violet books predating the appearance of the paradox forms associated with them or the actual paradox of the 'time machine's existence in the first place.
It also seems really absurd to have a legendary embodying the concept of time, a mythical embodying the concept of time travel and then another random pokemon (of which there were apparently many in a previous age) that can time travel but even moreso AND can create a whole bunch of other non-time-related phenomena.
Also if that one terapagos was responsible for everything, those phenomena would stop working whenever it was in it's ball. I think the reason they mentioned that there were many terapagos in the ancient past is because there is no individual creature responsible for tera energy, but rather thousands of sleeping terapagos that are dreaming while creating potential energy that can be tapped into to realize all sorts of goals.
That energy is shown being used as a tool for battling, as a means of creating/sourcing paradoxical forms of Pokémon, as a standard energy source, as a means of empowering ancient rituals and even as a way of turning Ogrepon's fighting spirit into matter. Mere time travel can't explain all of those various abilities.
@@Highstar25 it's timetravel bruh. A paradox did it.
@@KruelAidManthe one thing about the paradox in the game I question is why it’s not complete. When you speak to the professor on the mountain they can give you the scarlet or violet book, which then means either that book gets sent back in time later so it can be used as the time machines key, or they just make a new book.
And then as a side tangent about Terapagos, the myth Terapagos is based on pretty clearly cements its time travel connections so that is likely the actual explanation for the paradox Pokémon, however that doesn’t necessarily have to be travel within our timeline, I believe the professor suggests such in Kitakami, where I believe they bring up the idea of alternate timelines, which Pokémon is no stranger to.
Pokémon being pulled from alternate times or timelines then pretty clearly would seem to be the paradox Pokémon’s explanation.
And as for how they got to the crater when Heath explored it. Since Terapagos already pulled the professor to the mountain without us asking it to, that would imply it was doing it on its own, the question then is why, why would it be summoning someone from the past to give them knowledge of their own work. Perhaps Terapagos is trying to create the paradox. What if Terapagos was pulling the paradox Pokémon to Area Zero in order set the motions in order that would lead to the scarlet book being made and eventually the Time Machine. That then leads the question why? Consider that another one of Terapagos’s actions during this was showing Heath their true form, and the fact that Terapagos is trapped at the bottom of Area Zero. It wants its existence to be known, perhaps so that it can be found. Perhaps Terapagos is creating this infinitely looping paradox so that it can be freed from the underdepths where it’s been trapped and alone for all these years, after all if there was more of them and this may be one of the last it would possibly be quite lonely. This would also explain why Terapagos runs towards the player after being released, not just because it friendly or because you’re the protagonist, but because the entire paradox was to lead to this moment before resetting on the top of Mount Kitakami.
I have never felt so conflicted about a game. It just had so much potential… but the DLC and epilogue story were great. I’m really hoping GameFreak can bring it around next gen.
I've said virtually the exact same thing in the last few gens. I also really hope they can get it together but unfortunately there's a clear pattern forming here
Sadly, it won't happen, as sales numbers indicate and the fact they didn't do anything to help with the DLC. If it somehow does, it will still be running behind as they'll end up optimising it for the original Switch and not for whatever this next console is.
Spoiler : they wont.
They won't. I hope this has saved you a purchase.
The Terarium and quests is honestly the most satisfying gameplay loop I’ve had in this game, maybe in a main series Pokémon game in general, but the actual story content definitely let me down a good bit especially when compared to base game, so how much one likes Indigo Disk likely depends on what they prefer in their Pokémon games
Weird, the terrarium ran really well for me in comparison to kitakami, which was a SLOG. I loved Indigo Disk and although they’re rushed as fuck, SV as a whole really has a place in my heart
one theory is that most of Terapagos plots in game was cut off, because Anime is ongoing and it's very focus on Terapagos Stories. That's why in game it just ends so unnaturally.
It’s funny how they still lock most cool things behind completion checkpoints. Stuff like Perrin and the new paradox legendaries really should’ve just been able to be done after paying for the DLC.
That's just a pokemon thing at this point. They been locking legendaries behind hours of gameplay since like Ruby&Saphire it looks like they don't want people to get rare legendaries instantaneously upon booting up the game
I wonder if Raycon corporate has a series of meetings and approvals where they go over the latest in the Saga of the Blue Monster and his earbuds.
The lead up to terapagos was genuinely really cool. Having this pokemon only be mentioned in the base game via the Scarlett/Violet book and spending monthes Speculating what exactly it is remind me a lot of those old playground rumours like mew under the truck. Finally seeing what it looked like in the pokemon day direct as well as actually catching it in the dlc were such cool payoffs. I just wish there was a bit more to do in the area zero depths.
Exactly! I wish we could explore even more, especially after we get the scarlet/violet book. There's so much lore crumbled around with next to no payoff or proof and I know you can't get answers for EVERYTHING but I feel like there's still plenty more they could've let us explore. I'm not saying I also want to release paradox pokemon into the wild, but I think it would be so cool to explore the Time Machine area again.
A very underwhelming dlc
If the Underdepths had more genuine puzzles instead of just hunting down a few Stellar teras, that'd already extend the time for the story. But Area Zero is already an incredibly hostile area that i feel the whole journey should have had more fights/events to deal with. Especially since the whole Kieran thing needed more time to settle in. He really needed more time to be clearly unwell and dead set on beating us.
Because I love exploring the worlds of the games I play, I enjoyed the Indigo Disk.
What would normally take your average player a few measly hours took me over 25. I explored every inch of the map, battled every trainer and caught every new Pokémon I saw.
Plus I had a lot of fun (except for the random lag spikes while traveling through the savanna area marshes and the BBQ’s).
Despite the performance issues, I’d place Scarlet and Violet alongside some of the best in the series. I’ve had a lot of fun and the almost 200 hours of gameplay backs that up.
Do you think your enjoyment of SV comes more from what the games themselves offer, or from the changes to the traditional Pokemon formula with the new open world. I'm also a lover of exploration and have put many hours into Legends Arceus. To me, the world of Paldea feels like a step down from Hisui in many ways, but especially when it comes to exploration. Paldea just feels kinda soulless in comparison. Curious to hear your thoughts. Have you even played Legends Arceus?
Legends still beats this
Personally, the legends formula doesn't appeal to me because I don't like catching them all, I prefer catching the ones I want
@@neatonateAdressing your first question, I think you nailed it on the head.
It is a combination of both and it probably influenced my opinion. The changed formula was such a breath of fresh air. But I also enjoyed other aspects of the games. From it’s interesting characters to dynamic geography.
For reference, I have played and owned every mainline Pokémon game (besides Let’s Go) since Platinum.
My favorite games are B2W2.
Legends: Arceus was a truly incredible experience from both a gameplay and artistic standpoint. I hope this formula is repeated and that another Legends game is made in similar quality.
In my opinion, Paldea had much more to do.
Some of it was definitely intended, as the whole Legends concept is experimental, thus the shorter playtime and smaller world.
B2W2 is also my favorite! You know, there's a world where Gamefreak didn't split the studio to work on PLA and SV at the same time, and we instead got more content and polish for both. Sadly that is not our reality haha. Thank you for taking time to respond
The whole of indigo disks features reek like "planned but didn't make it into the main game" like they all feel like stuff that would have been really cool if you got it earlier but the devs didn't get around to including it, so decided to put it in the DLC.
But hey, if they decide to work with the framework of S/V, it might mean that we will get these features much earlier in upcoming games, which is exiting.
That has NEVER been Gamefreaks way. Features are missing or withheld or often just outright removed from subsequent entries all the time.
Someone NEEDS to make a compilation of all the Raycon Saga ads. Anyway, I thought the performance was awful in the base game and last DLC. But now, on top of the usual lagging, the landscape glitches out during a *scripted cutscene* it's just sad. At least the Terrarium challenges and story are kinda fun.
Yeah, they just can't fix the performance, can they?
i did like it how in the indigo disk the fights were hard. the first one i was totally not ready for and got my ass handed to me. i had to think about my full team line up and how they work with eachother alone with how they work with who i was fighting
It's sad knowing we'll probably never see these fun characters again in a game.
We will for sure. GF LOVES cameos.
@@Lordodragonss If they bring back the Pokemon World Tournament we'll probably see her again
Seeing the kids bust out the "chicken dance" at the end, is kind of precious 😊
I think my biggest frustration is that a lot of this dlc I feel should've been in the base game. Cause some of this we've gotten before in the base game (flying around, rematching gyms leaders, customization for your clothes and room, post game expanded story tied to Area Zero). And it's all locked behind a paywall. And I've heard performance is worse by different people so it's extra irritating.
I really am not crazy about how Pokemon games are being done, both in gameplay, quality, and dlc.
I don't get comments like this. Blueberry Academy doesn't make sense as a post game area, it's way too big for something like that.
Given how shoddily the game is put together, the once basic features sound like they were cut for spare time as opposed to money-grubbing (even though the result is the same). Theoretically, sure, a free update would be nice. But when you’re building your DLC in mind with how you attain these features, it would kind of break the game if you could also get it outside said areas. So now they become paywalled. This studio/company is a mess all around. This is just one blemish on a wart-ridden foot.
@@NotGeno oh no! Too much content! Whatever shall i do? I wish pokemon was just less pokemon. I hate having things to do in my games.
@@barrydingle3830 I just think it's expansive enough to work as DLC. If you think this is bad DLC, you'd have a heart attack from having to buy New Game +
It feels incredibly Sisyphean to complain about stuff like this anymore. Features that should be in the base game added in paid dlc, abd mind you dlc that is more expensive then the last game's, is something i feel like should be a default red flag, a no-no that everyone agrees is bad.
And yet, people vehemently defended it in SWSH, people defend it now, and no matter how much banal, mindrotting arguing we do on twitter, it just...happens again.
I personally loved the DLC (as a person who plays with friends and do all the extra stuff)
But all the technical problems stuff is awful, and drags down what could have easily been the BEST Pokémon game to date.
I think the good of SV makes me able to look past the technical issues, it is a shame though but my theory is that it's because of the engine more than anything which would explain why they haven't patched these specific issues.
@@friendlyotaku9525 is it your theory or do you know this for sure lmao you seem to act like you know for sure on other posts
@@supershot9729 I pretty much know this for sure.
@@friendlyotaku9525 "Pretty much" and "for sure" are two different things.
i will never understand how a supposed battle focused DLC, with a legitimate battling school, that has a ranking system for battling and a special battling location DOESNT offer a battler tower/maison/tree ??? Like what???
Can’t believe we’re getting Arlo’s review of a Pokémon DLC before his TOTK review
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We came a long way from Leon using a poke ball on a legendary
Some of the best characters in the whole series history (who'll I'll actual remember & miss) let down by the crappy graphics.
This is probably the most a Pokémon fan has gotten including a dlc epilogue
honestly i genuinely love the characters in this game..like i've been hyperfixated on them for the last two weeks, idk i just love them all so much😭
Carmine and Kieran are so great as characters, havent gotten attached to characters in a pokemon game since Gen 7.
yes! like I loved them after the base game, but the dlc and epilogue have cemented them in my brain for the last several weeks and I'm going to be so heartbroken when they announce the next game in February because I'm going to miss them so much.
@@thoughtsofaleo2916 SAME like i genuinely am suprised i love the dlc characters as much as the main games ones despite less screen time but😭
i really want a direct sequel to this game, i hope they include the characters in a future one😭
@@Leavce me too!! i love them both so much, Kieran made me smile like an idiot at the final cutscene at blueberry academy lol
that’s the one thing standing out to me from watching stuff about the game. I Haven’t played it but the characters seem great, both in design and animation.
I think indigo disk is the best pokemon dlc to date, I've put a few dozen hours into it and aside from the ending in area zero be underwhelming I still liked it. I am more than ready to move on from S/V now, give us legends Celebi please
Can't wait for the next generation of games, Pokemon Trainwreck Version and Pokemon Dumpsterfire Version.
I mean that's what they've been the last 2 generations but at least now the name will match the product.
This game as a whole really gives me the feeling of "very conflicted," to say the very least...
Yoshiller having a Jolteon on their team in the background makes me so happy! :)
I'm not saying I disliked the overarching story of the DLC or thought it was bad, but it feels inconsistent. Like, the overall pacing feels weird. Like it was meant to be three parts. The whole thing with Area Zero doesn't even feel connected to the rest of the Blueberry Academy, like I thought Terapagos was going to be revealed to be the big glowy orb above the Terarium, that the BB Principal whose name I forget or Briar was going to be this surprise bad-guy at the end (they did it twice before with Lusamine and Rose; I'm not saying I was expecting it, but it feels weird that Scarlet and Violet didn't have a villain or villain-team per-say, like they did the Team Star as the red herring villain team like with Teams Skull and Yell but there wasn't actual villain), Kieren was kind of a villain in a sense but mostly he was a bit of a jerk (like I felt bad for him in Teal Mask and I wanted to give him Ogerpon, but Indigo Disk made me want to give Kylo Ren here a swirly; like part of me wanted more to tell-off Carmine in Teal Mask than anything else). The Pecharunt event, not that I didn't like it, it felt disconnected from everything else; it would've tied-in better with the Teal Mask part of the DLC, like "the real bad guy was Pecharunt all along, he was controlling the Loyal Three, oooooh spoooooky". I liked the BB Elite 4. I liked all the little flavor all these npcs from both the base-game and DLC get in the post-game with the League Club Room, the way they converse and interact with each other; I feel like they didn't have to do that, they could've just had each one standing off to the side by themselves. I still can't believe they pulled a Persona 4 epilogue photo on Team Star. A couple miscellaneous criticisms I have:
- The new Paradox Pokemon should've been added to the spawn list in Area Zero rather than just be a lone encounter. If you want to swap one with your friend who has the other version, that's it, there aren't any more.
- The Hisuian Pokemon you can get in both parts of the DLC feel really inconsistent. Like, you see Hisuian Quilfish and think "oh, there must be other Hisuian Pokemon here", but no. Stantler you can get in Kitakami can't evolve into Wyrdeer despite having the same requirements as Quilfish to Overquil (learning a move), I would argue Basculin to Basculegion's method is more convoluted. Kleavor I can kind of get why they made them wild encounters in the Terarium, but also then you wonder why they couldn't they do the same for regular Ursaluna. Also, for those with standard Hisuian or other regional forms, like it feels weird a lot of them aren't in the game while some are. Hisuian Zoroark was a pre-order bonus for the DLC. It feels weird and kind of unfair.
- Outfit and character customization still sucks, frankly. If I tried being reasonable and kept the whole "school uniform" reasoning that was loose enough as is, I would make it so you could wear certain things over the uniform. Like, coats or scarves or other accessories. Like, they already do it in-game with many of the unique npcs, a lot of the uniforms are designed to fit multiple npc bodies, I don't think it'd be that hard.
- I hate that some legendaries you can get from Snackworth are locked behind multiplayer; like if you didn't have online multiplayer, you just can't get three specific Pokemon.
- The BB points are too arbitrary. Like, it takes forever to earn them and you burn through them rather quickly. Especially if you want to unlock the new Paradox Pokemon, you'd need 12-thousand points to unlock the 72 starter Pokemon and evolutions that make up a decent chunk of the Pokedex. What if you don't do online stuff? You can't trade or do online raids to help fill out the trade-evos and version exclusives. Everything at the BB School store also exclusively uses BB points.
oh my god you're so right about them p4 epilogue-ing the team star kids... at least none of them pulled a kanji, though I suppose you could argue that with mela or Giacomo...
agreed with the rest of what you said - I get why they have hisuian pokemon, but it feels so random with the ones they chose? like either give me all of them or give me none of them and leave them for special completion requests, like with Perrin. it feels weird the way they did it.
Not gonna disagree with the story feeling disjointed. I think the Terapagos needed to not include Kieran. He was his own thing that was great as is.
For the Hisui Pokemon, you can also catch Kleavor, but that is still strange regardless.
For the new Paradox Pokemon, uh, no. Those are paradox forms of legendary Pokemon.
Customization- not really the biggest deal to me, but I’ll agree that we needed more clothing options.
BBQs- they want you to do it in multiplayer. You earn BBPs at a monumentally faster rate in unions when everyone is doing them. Single player mode? Boring.
Snacksworth, absolutely. Think of the single players!!!!!!!!!
I'm pretty sure that, because the DLC for this generation is $35 and the last DLC was $30 (half of the Sw/Sh cost), the Pokemon Company wanted to sell Scarlet and Violet for $70 instead of $60. I'm only assuming they changed it to $60 because the technical quality was embarrassingly poor
If they had addressed issues and fixed the base game, I would have definitely bought the DLC. But as nothing has changed and the DLC is seemingly even worse, I refuse to support their lack luster releases with that abysmal performance and all the other issues any longer...
Which is a real shame too cause that terrarium/ artificial biome idea would have been right up my alley...
That team star side quest is in the base game but there is a second team star side quest in the dlc where you can see the leaders without their costumes
I would never in a million years be able to recognize Eri without their face paint.
I was there when you beat Drayton and the DLC. Ton of fun to see you stream. Hope to catch more of them!
No Battle Tower in this generation is fucking ridiculous
That moment when you find yourself more excited for the ad read than the actual video. 😆 You're a gem and a delight, Arlo.
Peak consumer
You don't read comments but man, if you did I'd tell you to play a Shin Megami Tensei game.
You think double battles are fun? Imagine if there were four Pokémon every fight, imagine if you regularly fought a handful of Pokémon not as a special event but a part of gameplay.
Imagine buttery smooth gameplay and moving quickly through expansive worlds.
Imagine a story with voice actors and cutscenes that never overstays its welcome.
Imagine a whole new cast of wildly diverse monsters to catch and build a party with, a game that's challenging and pushes you to use its mechanics.
Imagine the sweet, sweet upgrades and collectible and quests with their own stories.
Arlo, you would bug out if you played SMT V, even though it's not as good as IV in terms of story you'd go hog bonkers for it after getting crushed by these Pokémon games.
Man, they don't even push them out every year, these games are masterfully well done rare treats.
You (Arlo) are totally sleeping on it, along with most disillusioned Pokémon fans I'd say.
SMT is PHENOMENAL - I'm so glad someone mentioned it!
SMT is awesome but the problem is nimtendo fanboys are too far in the pit. Theyll keep buying pokemon slop cause of the label even if there is objectively better alternatives
It's sort of funny honestly, Pokemon Sword is a game I'm more interested in playing despite the content drought or general lack of the things to do because it's just a more aesthetically pleasing game to look at that's certainly more playable than Violet and yet Violet is more content rich (for a Pokemon game) than Sword but runs like a game made in 5 months. There's no winning, but I still feel more interested in Sword.
I completely skipped this generation for the first time since I started in Gen 3, and I really don’t feel like I’ve missed out on much. That being said, I’m still hopeful that they’ll do something big for Gen 10 so I can hop back in, but I’m a little worried
Well, you’re missing out on the best story since gen 5
I stopped at UsUm, the quality drop eas just very apparent
@@SlimeBlueMS I stopped after SwSh; the atrocious route design and lack of explorable areas felt like such a huge slap in the face. Couple that with the introduction of paid DLC to add content that should've been in the base games of both gen 8 and 9 and I'm left not able to understand why people still defend these games. I would highly recommend trying out Legends Arceus if you haven't already. It's definitely worth your time.
@@neatonate SV has a lot more in the way of explorable areas. Though I think both SwSh and SV did their respective DLCs really well!
It's a pity, from what I've heard the story is up my alley and would have been my favourite Pokemon story outside of the anime in a long time, but the pressure to get and play the games early or miss out on X exclusive and all the FOMO time-limited events, not to mention the disappointment of BDSP, seems to have broken me free of my addiction to Catching Them All, and I feel like I'm probably not gonna play a mainline Pokemon game ever again, cuz if I miss one region full of new 'mons to collect, there's less incentive to pop into another one, so...
This is the FIRST pokemon game. I have not played because I refuse to pay $100 for an expansion, yes I know it is digital for less but I only buy physical release games.
Good. This mentality could lead to GF and TPC eventually taking notice.
The Expansion is $35, not $100. The game is the same price digitally as it is physically.
@@Dad_Shoes it's not up to standard either way.
@@SchmergDergen No, that pricing is definitely standard. Digital tends to cost the same as physical.
@@Dad_Shoesthink he meant the game is a broken turd lol
You know what. I appreciate you have the editor credited in your videos. Even if they're the one editing it in 😅
I have played Gen 3, 4, 5, 6, and 8 (yeah i missed 7 as i got bored of the 3DS for a bit but i plan to get back to it). Pokemon Violet was probably the most fun i had since playing gen 4 and 5. I liked it so much i completed the base game pokedex (still working on the DLC). It was nice that they got rid of the route system and went full in on what gen 8 had teased at and what Pokemon Legends showed. The story was also great. Yes it doesnt run great but being someone who says their favorite game of all time is an N64 game that they prefer to still play said game about i really dont care too much about the performance. The DLC was great sure it started off slow with part 1 but it did a slow crescendo leading into part 2. The epilogue sure the Pokémon back story wasnt there (i recommend you just watch the video on the pokemon youtube channel for that) but i was laughing my head off the whole hour i went through it. Sure it isnt everyones cup of tea but i really enjoyed it.
Great thoughts!
Wait what! The master ball breaks?!? I barely known Kieran as a character and now I feel mad for him. Also how powerful is this legendary pokemon that it can break at a master ball, after JUST being caught by it?!
dude the cutscene is INSANE. that part alone was enough to show how powerful terapagos is. it was a good moment for Kieran to finally swallow his pride though.
@thoughtsofaleo2916 tbh fair. What bothers me is that using a master ball to get that point across is kinda braking some basic pokemon logic for me. I feel that they could've used another ball like an ultra ball (or a quick ball to show his desperation) to get the same point across better.
@@theavsky1428I mean there’s nothing in the Pokémon lore that says the master ball is indestructible, it just has a perfect catch rate. It did indeed catch it, it just managed to destroy the ball.
It's fine until they use the tera orb at the 'source' of tera energy, that's when things to bad and it breaks. So it isn't a normal situation that causes the break.
The mechanics added to this 30 dollar DLC seem like stuff that should have been in the base game ...
Man I just started Palworld this morning after slogging through the Pokemon dlc earlier this week and it's such a stark contrast in how much fun these games can be. I really hope Pokemon picks up next time, but I don't have much faith. Here's hoping the next Legends is solid; hopefully it will be able to take advantage of the switch 2
My only question Arlo is what sorta planes land on that forehead of yours that your character has?
Cause it’s massive holy crap…
omg, the sheer rawness Arlo drops near the end was both satisfying and so funny with how abrupt in timing and tone it was.
It's annoying that they made the second best story, best gameplay features, incredible looking Pokémon, and finally an open world, just for the overworld to look like a Wii game and run like crap. One more year in the oven and any type of bug testing and this could have been the best Pokémon game.
10:13 in no way was she an awful older sister, she was just…an older sister 😂 idk why people think she was the devil incarnate in The Teal Mask when she was just a normal older sister lmao
great review, arlo! but can we talk for a second about how S/V base game was the first one where they like actually hired a good writer and had a coherent story that left us with a bunch of loose threads and cliffhangers, like the pokedex entries insinuating that the paradox pokemon aren't real, the stuff with heath, the stuff with nemona's parents, and they hyped us up for like a year, only for DLC1 to just totally ignore the base game and tell a completely different story, and then DLC2 finishes the story of DLC1, and then hastily at the end they're like "oh crap, we promised you the, uhh, uhh, uhh, okay so let's go back to area zero, annnnd,,,, here's a cave,,,, and here's a turtle"
it's almost like they just forgot to hire back the same writer to finish the story they started in the base game, i spent like a year wondering about a dozen different questions that i will just never have any answers for.
the most upsetting part of it for me, is that there is basically zero new information about area zero that couldn't have just been inferred from the february 2023 DLC announcement trailer:
• there's a paradox suicune, okay, so there's going to be an entei and raikou.
• there's this guy terapagos, okay so he's probably under area zero making all the crystals and stuff.
that's it, that's 100% of the new information given to us by the DLC which pertains to the questions that were raised during the base game, and it was all inferable from the february 2023 announcement trailer. there's no more plot in area zero, unless you consider stellar tera type to be a new plot point? which I don't really, that's not something the base game made me curious about, that's not something I've been wondering about.
the paradox pokemon aren't fake, the time machine is real, there is actually a stupid robot getting his ass blasted by prehistoric pokemon in the distant past, all of the travelers who heard the crystals singing to them, drawing them in to their demise in area zero, yeah idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ must've been the turtle or something!
Yeah, finally introducing the Base Game friends to the DLC friends was a perfect little bow to finish it off. It was really silly though xD.
Just when I was wondering why you didn't mention performance, you decide to end on it xD. Look at the smooth and simple terrain design of the Savannah Biome and somehow that's one of the most laggy locations in the game.
Gosh, the blurry and inconsistent textures, along with the low resolution jaggies and pop-in is so jarring. Their current direction is just fundamentally out of the technical pocket of the hardware it runs on.
I'm happy they added flying but such a weird mechanic to hide behind a paywall, I feel like that could have been something free added into the main game
What, moving between different regions? Or moving between different points of the map? Because if it’s the latter, I think you might have just missed it.
Edit: oh, flying on the mascot. I think the idea just didn’t occur to them at first. Still, not gonna disagree with you.
@@Mojo1356 No, they thought of it. It's a pretty common thing these days. They just rushed out an unfinished game is all
there's only one creator on here who's raycon ads can compete w Internet Comment Etiquette w Erik
and we're watching them
If there's one thing I appreciated about the Indigo Disk is the callbacks to Unova. The remixs were decent & there are some references that is pretty cool.
Oh God, they're gonna fuck over Unova next aren't they?!
@WebCamNinja96 I hope not. But than again, I rather not have an Gen. 5 remake. I rather have an port of the DS titles or better yet; an Legend Kyurem.
It's a bummer because I really wish I could enjoy this but I can't get over the performance issues, I just can't. I hate looking at it, I hate knowing I spent my hard earned money on a game they can't even bother to have it run properly. If they halved the amount of things introduced and instead implemented performance patches, I would buy it in a heartbeat. But for now, since they don't seem to care or don't want to bother, I'm going to pass.
Always a good day when Arlo uploads!
The dlc and epilogue was really fun!
This is the first time I have unironically just watched an episode just for its Raycon ad.
Still have zero interest in actually buying them tho
Completed the DLC over the Christmas break woth my kids. Really enjoyed it 🙂
I dunno, at least Sword and Shield had legitimate end game content, watered down as it was. Battle Tower was pretty simple, but I think a lot of people overlooked the Monotype dojo challenges, those were legitimately fun and challenging.
On a somewhat unrelated note, I don't really know why you would, but I think it would be cool if you went back and reviewed the gen 7 Pokemon games with Pokemon Sun/Moon/Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. I'm kinda interested to see what your opinions are on those games, since I largely agree with your opinions on Pokemon Sword/Shield, as well as Scarlet/Violet and Legends: Arceus, and the gen 7 games are some of my personal favorites in the franchise.
My fellow gen 7 enjoyer. 🤝
Pokémon Scarlet and Violet is the most fun I've ever had with a Pokémon game and would be my favorite game in the series, but the state that this game was released, and even the state is in now, is so fucking unacceptable that I'm straight up going to skip out on generation 10 unless it's game of the year.
Without your videos there’s no air
I can't see spending time on this game in 2023. You guys know how many insane games came out in 2023?
Arlo is the only monster I'll stop my previous vid for the moment it shows up in my feed 😂
I loved the increase in challenge and seeing the character interactions
As someone with 2 kids under 6, they absolutely LOVED this game. Much more than Let's go Eevee or Diamond/Pearl.
I'm torn cuz of the awful performance, but they were really engaged with the story throughout and loved all the characters and new pokemon designs.
If Nintendo is aiming for that age group they definitely hit it right on.
Does it have more pozz, and does it still stagnate, that is the question.
We cannot break the 20 years stagnation world record lightly.
Unrelated, but I had a shower thought that is as follows:
Arlo is basically a live-action practical-effects VTuber.
When I play other Pokémon games, I miss Scarlet / Violet. When I go back to play Scarlet / Violet, I end up being disappointed in everything it does wrong.
I've been waiting for Arlo's review! Always the best!
I agree with Arlo- I wish we got alot of this sooner (This game and SWSH got things backwards) I miss the star tournament from the last game where you could battle most NPCS and could invite some people to battle you- and seeing who'd win and who'd lose was fun narrative interest. I wish this was the first DLC and the other one was the second (Heck I wish this was in the base game to a degree) let me battle both the gym leaders and elite four in branch tournaments and don't show me parts of the region but not let me explore parts of it, still a decent DLC I wish we got more- I wish Arven got to interact with his father and more interacting with your old friends in Kitakami
Teal Mask focused more on story while indigo disk focus more of stuff to actually do, BP systems quests are fun especially with friends, using crafting items to make useful items or pokeballs and sync machine is a delight to use, Mochi Mayham is very delightful
Gosh this game still looks rough. The terrain disappearing constantly, the resolution being probably less than 720P, I know pokemon fans eventually just become numb to all that but I havnt really looked at modern pokemon in a while and seeing it again... Just yeesh. Like I am not a graphics person but modern pokemon hasnt even felt fun recently, the least it can do is look nice.
I couldnt even get through the base game honestly, im definitely picking Palworld over this DLC, easily.
This feels like the most completed pokemon game sense black and white, except i didn't have to pay a extra $30 or whatever it was for the dlc. Honestly the story is really good, it actually feels like a actual story, only thing that would make it better is voice acting which it definitely needs, i feel like that would of made the game especially the mochi mayhem part way more enjoyable. There is also a pretty decent post game which we haven't seen in a while, i still dont think if holds up as well compared to some of the other games especially from the pixel art days. But like man it just really sucks pokemom just can't make a game that runs or looks good and i think its gotten even worse especially when flying, and its not like the switch can't run some really amazing games like SMTV or BOTW or TOTK. Its just inexcusable how bad the game runs and really makes me question if i want to keep playing it and trying to shiny hunt pokemom x,y,z. Also just the little things like no shiny sound, being forced to use a link code to do a union group, and trying to join raids, really is discouraging me to keep playing this game. At the end of the day the games still decently fun, the stories decent, but the game just doesn't run well and it makes it so tough to tell people to pick it up or to keep playing it. I just hope whatever pokemon does with gen 5 is actually good, i dont want to see a bdsp remake or anything close to how bad that was.
The flying is good for finding those legendary encounters from the dude at the front of the school. It also feels too unbalanced to really add it anywhere in the game besides at the end of the last dlc, since you’d just be able to fly through important locations in the first dlc or in the base game.
For me, the DLC was like this:
Teal Mask - Had its moments.
Indigo Disk - Felt like I was on auto-pilot throughout.
Mochi Mayhem - Good for a laugh, I guess.
What happens when you lose your RayCon things? Did it prevent you accessing the DLC?
Very insightful commentary. Thank you.
I wish that the hood trainer AI had been used in a battle tower tower system. I honestly thought that we were getting that with this dlc, and i was looking forward to hard battles outside of pvp...
Arlo can do a video explaining the history of Rareware and its game and partnership with Nintnedo.
Woah boi am I early. Haven't even played SV because of what I've heard about it. Kinda sad it's my first gen I haven't gotten on launch since Gold and Silver.
I loved SWSH competitive scene since there was a lot of new pokemon and a lot of the old meta pokemon were left out.
Not too sure about SV tho. Love some of the mons especially the new variants and evolutions of old ones. Been waiting on a dunsparse evolution for forever only to be quite disappointed with it. Oh well.
I will play it eventually just not rushing for it.
Edit: The ULTIMATE pokemon experience imho would be a return to the 2D Pixel Art and Sprites with the graphical quality of say Octopath Traveler.
Things like the epilogue and the interactions you can get with the league coaches show off just how great the writing in this game is. Or little things like bringing Ogerpon into special battles gives extra dialogue. If they put this level of detail into a game that actual looks and performs as good as zelda or something I think the next set of pokemon games could be so special.