The 210 change is now not going ahead, instead a new route 310 is to be made, running from Golders Green to Stamford Hill. This new route will be run by Stagecoach with existing diesel single deckers, starting on the 31st of August. For more details: th-cam.com/video/iU-F4MazZ1g/w-d-xo.html
I really believe that if a bus route can be double decked, it should be. So the idea of downsizing the 210/310 is barmy. Also if they're going to split the Barnet to Stratford route at Chingford, maybe the Eastern section could be extended into the Isle of Dogs.
Superloop 2 proposed bus routes: SL11 to S19 & Bakerloop routes 1. Leytonstone to South Havering via Gants Hill & Romford. 2. Barnet to Stratford via Walthamstow, Enfield & Chingford. 3. Barnet to Harrow via Edgware. 4. Ealing Broadway to Hendon via Hanger Lane & Brent Cross. 5. Ealing Broadway to Kingston via Great West Road & Richmond. 6. Hammersmith to Hounslow West via Great West Road. 7. Richmond to Wimbledon via Roehampton. 8. Streatham to Eltham via Tulse Hill. 9. North Greenwich to Thamesmead via Woolwich. 10. Elephant & Castle to Lewisham via Burgess Park, Old Kent Road and New Cross Gate.
@@ahuman9143 yeah that would be nice even if it would be unreliable. I think the X80 is the only route that goes across the Dartford crossing right now
The route between Streatham and Eltham might follow the P13 Streatham- Lordship Lane, then 185 Horniman Museum- Catford and then it might follow the 160 Catford- Eltham, but I think that it would go in a straight line, not in loops like these routes do
I think the plan for the Hammersmith to Hounslow route will be a mix of the 110 and H91 and the Richmond-Kingston route won’t follow the 65 completely, it could go via the E8 too and likewise, although this hasn’t been said, the Leytonstone-South Havering route could go via the 257 to Stratford, then 86 to Ilford Hill, then via the 296 to Gants Hill, followed by the 66/296 to Romford and so on or another alternative I’ve got in mind for it, is why doesn’t it go via the 247 from Romford to Fencepiece Road, link up with the 275 from there and then go to Walthamstow via the 275 and then via the 257 to Leytonstone? Or perhaps, it could go via the 5 to Green Street, then via the 58 to Leytonstone High Road and then via the 257 to Leytonstone or via the 5 to Canning Town, narrowly miss Canning Town Bus Station like the 276 does, go via it to Stratford and then via the 257 to Leytonstone?
Extend the 210 from Finsbury Park to Stamford Hill, so the whole route will be Brent Cross to Stamford Hill? And single deck only so that it can fit through that low bridge? Bloody hell! And no, I don’t think the Barnet-Stratford route will follow the 97 completely, because if it does, it’ll have missed Chingford Station and the only way for it to have gone via Chingford Station is for it to go via the 307 between Barnet and Enfield, then via the 313 to Chingford Station, then via the 397 to Bancrofts School, then via the 20 to Walthamstow Central, then via the 58 to Leyton and then via the 158 to Stratford
Not every SL route follows an existing route... the SL2 doesn't follow the 123 for the whole route, and the SL5 doesn't follow the 119 the whole route, and the SL7 doesn't follow any route either.
I'd like the Havering Superloop route to at least go through Marks Gate and Collier Row, instead of just following the 66 to Romford, this could be done, by going up Hainault and Billet Road, then via the 247 into Romford, which would provide one area of North Havering, with a Quicker link to the Central and District lines at either Newbury Park or Elm Park Stations, and take some passengers off the 175/247/252/365, and properly link Marks Gate with Collier Row.
Thanks for this most interesting video, which seems to indicate that TfL has quite quickly decided that thw first tranche of SL routes have been a success (unless this is totally to do with the mayoral elections). I'm pleased about this, as I have for a long time felt that London's non-central transport network would be improved by some express bus routes: many people I know who live in 'outer London' travel more to other suburbs than to the centre - but the underground lines all run into the centre, and there is now limited disused railway to be added to the very successful Overground. And - as this announcement emphasises - expressbus routes can be up and going in a fraction of the time a rail line needs to become operational, and at a fraction of the cost. In particular, I'm pleased at the 'BakerLoop' proposal. Doubtless it will gain less custom than the tube line, when finally built, will generate, but it will be something, and it will indicate how urgently the new line should be developed. There are other possible tube extensions which could be trialled in the same way. Also, I feel that there would be other possibilities for linking up main-line suburban rail with underground links (like Thameslink and the Liz line - but less grand) and these too could be preceded by express bus links across the centre. Look forward to your next video
I think Sadiq's manifesto also includes exploring more Bakerloop style buses which run along unbuilt rail projects so hopefully we'll see some of those soon.
no idea why he wants to change 210, it's already fine as it is. 40 or so minutes from brent cross to finsbury park. With a single decker it will make people stand up for most of the route since it gets a bit busy at times with a double decker alone.
For example new route '239' would be a good match from Sydenham - Greenwich, Cutty Sark via Westwood Hill, Newlands Park, Lennard Road, Kings Hall Road, Bridge Road, Copers Cope Road, Southend Road, Beckenham Hill Road, Bromley Road, Bellingham Road, Hazelbank Road, Verdant Lane, South Circular Road, Burnt Ash Hill, Lee Road, Tranquil Vale, Goffers Road, Shooters Hill Road, Blackheath Hill, Greenwich South Street and Greenwich High Road (New Bus Stand) left unserved routes between Lennard Road, Kings Hall Road, Bridge Road, Copers Cope Road, Bellingham Road, Hazelbank Road and Goffers Road can provide new areas where south east London needs New Beckenham - new Bakerloo line extension near Kings Hall Road. 'X239' renumber 'SL4' Grove Park - Canary Wharf, Things that TfL can reused '239' should get first lowest number somewhere along the line.
@@Itsdaguyfromends While the TfL '239' doesn't exist may be better for users running Sydenham - Greenwich, Cutty Sark opposite Greenwich High Road but modify it slightly to bus services and terminate down via 177 boundaries regarding when creating new routes. '108B' lost connections to Perry Rise can slip road into Lennard Road, Kings Hall Road, Bridge Road, Copers Cope Road, Bellingham Road, Hazelbank Road and Goffers Road which is especially useful residents living in Beckenham does not have a link. Most TfL didn't end at Sydenham keeps Lawrie Park Gardens bus stand that follows 53,202,284,54,75/194 and 122/450.
@@Itsdaguyfromends Yes Milkwood Road being plucked out, no links that were originally chosen by dropping off Loughborough Junction an extraterrestrial life form a restriction to make boundaries. TFL can send it through and take penalty will be a lot of the 'express' aspect planning a long distance move, London would use new numbers needed to digest Herne Hill.
I sent out a proposed email to the mayor or London about one of my own made up Superloop buses with the same name, the Superloop 2. Literally some of terminases and middle stops are being used for the new round of superloops. Idk if they used my ideas or just public compaints, but one of the buses is just too similar to one I made up
The Superloop 2 proposals are such an exciting prospect for the bus network in Outer London. What's your favourite proposed Superloop 2 route @MostlyBuses1? Mine is the Ealing Broadway to Kingston one cause I always thought route 65 needed an express counterpart in the past and now it could be potentially happening. Great video by the way.
My favourite is the X493 as I see it being very well used and it'll be a route that's very useful to me. The Barnet to Stratford one also looks pretty good.
streatham to eltham is my fav although i don't like the choice for it to serve tulse hill as that forces single deckers due to a low bridge and obligates an additional stop on the sl6 which nobody wants.
0:00 Introduction 0:39 Part 1: Superloop 2 2:49 Bakerloop 3:17 Changes to the SL7 and SL5 3:45 210 Extension 4:17 London Bus Company 4:45 Thanks for watching vote for sadiq kahn
The SL1 is also gonna ger electrified along with the 34 at the same time and the SL3 will get its routemasters replaced due to the first day one of the SL3 broke down
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Nahhhh the 210 should go to highbury barn and use routemasters or electric buses the single decker is NOT APRROVED 210 is already busy as it is for it to go stamford hill is just useless instead have a bus go to highbury barn from finsbury park i already theres 19 and 4 and 263 but have an extra not a bus that follows two buses making it useless for 254 and 253 for stamford hill,k to finsbury park
About the 210 change,i thought Khan wanted to introduce a new route,not extend the 210? Personally,I think the idea is good,but extending the 210 i think would be better instead of creating a new route.Hopefully there can be a way to keep the 210 DD?
The only way this route can stay as DD is by instead of turning left at Hanley road it can go straight down Hornsey road then left at Seven Sisters road then pretty much a straight route to Stamford Hill via Finsbury Park and Manor House however that would mean there’s no bus going down Hanley road
Bro wtf is this change, and is SL7 being cut just for electrics. I’m actually disappointed about that. But if SL5 ain’t double decker after this extension then that’s gonna be weird. I don’t understand the contract bit public ownership can you pls explain a bit more about what it’s talking about
If Labour get into power, Sadiq will work with them to put routes into public ownership. Not many details have been released yet so the things in the video are as much as I can find online
@@MostlyBuses1 I don't think route 65 is going anywhere. The new express route will be an additional route on its corridor. What I think is that route 65's frequency will just be reduced when the new express route starts running.
@@ROTREV it was rumoured they were going to soon consult on changing the bus routes that ran through carshalton. although this prospect is looking very unlikely now
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The 210 change is now not going ahead, instead a new route 310 is to be made, running from Golders Green to Stamford Hill. This new route will be run by Stagecoach with existing diesel single deckers, starting on the 31st of August. For more details:
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stagecoach in golders green wow
Enviro200s or enviro200mmcs or optare solo ?
Will 210 be terminated?
@@shubhamuprit no
@@shubhamuprit probably MMCs but since it's on a one year contract E200s are fine too (except for the 58/59 plate ones)
SL5: Bromley North to Sutton Town Centre
SL7: Sutton Town Centre to Heathrow Central
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I really believe that if a bus route can be double decked, it should be. So the idea of downsizing the 210/310 is barmy.
Also if they're going to split the Barnet to Stratford route at Chingford, maybe the Eastern section could be extended into the Isle of Dogs.
Superloop 2 proposed bus routes: SL11 to S19 & Bakerloop routes
1. Leytonstone to South Havering via Gants Hill & Romford.
2. Barnet to Stratford via Walthamstow, Enfield & Chingford.
3. Barnet to Harrow via Edgware.
4. Ealing Broadway to Hendon via Hanger Lane & Brent Cross.
5. Ealing Broadway to Kingston via Great West Road & Richmond.
6. Hammersmith to Hounslow West via Great West Road.
7. Richmond to Wimbledon via Roehampton.
8. Streatham to Eltham via Tulse Hill.
9. North Greenwich to Thamesmead via Woolwich.
10. Elephant & Castle to Lewisham via Burgess Park, Old Kent Road and New Cross Gate.
Would be nice to get a Romford-Bexleyheath service over the Dartford Crossing, but it would be heavily affected by traffic during rush hours...
@@ahuman9143 yeah that would be nice even if it would be unreliable. I think the X80 is the only route that goes across the Dartford crossing right now
The route between Streatham and Eltham might follow the P13 Streatham- Lordship Lane, then 185 Horniman Museum- Catford and then it might follow the 160 Catford- Eltham, but I think that it would go in a straight line, not in loops like these routes do
I think the plan for the Hammersmith to Hounslow route will be a mix of the 110 and H91 and the Richmond-Kingston route won’t follow the 65 completely, it could go via the E8 too and likewise, although this hasn’t been said, the Leytonstone-South Havering route could go via the 257 to Stratford, then 86 to Ilford Hill, then via the 296 to Gants Hill, followed by the 66/296 to Romford and so on or another alternative I’ve got in mind for it, is why doesn’t it go via the 247 from Romford to Fencepiece Road, link up with the 275 from there and then go to Walthamstow via the 275 and then via the 257 to Leytonstone? Or perhaps, it could go via the 5 to Green Street, then via the 58 to Leytonstone High Road and then via the 257 to Leytonstone or via the 5 to Canning Town, narrowly miss Canning Town Bus Station like the 276 does, go via it to Stratford and then via the 257 to Leytonstone?
Extend the 210 from Finsbury Park to Stamford Hill, so the whole route will be Brent Cross to Stamford Hill? And single deck only so that it can fit through that low bridge? Bloody hell! And no, I don’t think the Barnet-Stratford route will follow the 97 completely, because if it does, it’ll have missed Chingford Station and the only way for it to have gone via Chingford Station is for it to go via the 307 between Barnet and Enfield, then via the 313 to Chingford Station, then via the 397 to Bancrofts School, then via the 20 to Walthamstow Central, then via the 58 to Leyton and then via the 158 to Stratford
Not every SL route follows an existing route... the SL2 doesn't follow the 123 for the whole route, and the SL5 doesn't follow the 119 the whole route, and the SL7 doesn't follow any route either.
I'd like the Havering Superloop route to at least go through Marks Gate and Collier Row, instead of just following the 66 to Romford, this could be done, by going up Hainault and Billet Road, then via the 247 into Romford, which would provide one area of North Havering, with a Quicker link to the Central and District lines at either Newbury Park or Elm Park Stations, and take some passengers off the 175/247/252/365, and properly link Marks Gate with Collier Row.
I'm not too familiar with that area but I think that's a good idea
Thanks for this most interesting video, which seems to indicate that TfL has quite quickly decided that thw first tranche of SL routes have been a success (unless this is totally to do with the mayoral elections). I'm pleased about this, as I have for a long time felt that London's non-central transport network would be improved by some express bus routes: many people I know who live in 'outer London' travel more to other suburbs than to the centre - but the underground lines all run into the centre, and there is now limited disused railway to be added to the very successful Overground. And - as this announcement emphasises - expressbus routes can be up and going in a fraction of the time a rail line needs to become operational, and at a fraction of the cost.
In particular, I'm pleased at the 'BakerLoop' proposal. Doubtless it will gain less custom than the tube line, when finally built, will generate, but it will be something, and it will indicate how urgently the new line should be developed. There are other possible tube extensions which could be trialled in the same way. Also, I feel that there would be other possibilities for linking up main-line suburban rail with underground links (like Thameslink and the Liz line - but less grand) and these too could be preceded by express bus links across the centre.
Look forward to your next video
I think Sadiq's manifesto also includes exploring more Bakerloop style buses which run along unbuilt rail projects so hopefully we'll see some of those soon.
@@richardb3363 I think that one is going ahead. It probably means something like the West London Orbital
Sorry but I’m not a fan of the 210 extension. You’re gonna sacrifice double deckers just for it to follow the 253 and 254?!
Hopefully there will at least be a frequency increase if this change happens
Thank you I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this extension is pointless
@@MostlyBuses1Sadiq ruining 210 and the Superloops!
@@Transportman211Same it's pointless man's just ruining london bus routes
And the express routes that HE created.
He should find another solution like another bus that links with 210. Or leave 210 as it is. Trying to sacrifice double deckers are no good.
WOW Its nice to Hear about route 210 having extended to stamford hill
Apparently sl7 adding new stop from feltham and harlington corner if the tfl are withdrawing the route
@@maheeshantharmarajah5800 yeah that's what's in the consultation. It hasn't come out though which is weird since the general election was last month
no idea why he wants to change 210, it's already fine as it is. 40 or so minutes from brent cross to finsbury park. With a single decker it will make people stand up for most of the route since it gets a bit busy at times with a double decker alone.
The Stamford Hill change should've just been a new route tbh
He did it for the Jewish of course
For example new route '239' would be a good match from Sydenham - Greenwich, Cutty Sark via Westwood Hill, Newlands Park, Lennard Road, Kings Hall Road, Bridge Road, Copers Cope Road, Southend Road, Beckenham Hill Road, Bromley Road, Bellingham Road, Hazelbank Road, Verdant Lane, South Circular Road, Burnt Ash Hill, Lee Road, Tranquil Vale, Goffers Road, Shooters Hill Road, Blackheath Hill, Greenwich South Street and Greenwich High Road (New Bus Stand) left unserved routes between Lennard Road, Kings Hall Road, Bridge Road, Copers Cope Road, Bellingham Road, Hazelbank Road and Goffers Road can provide new areas where south east London needs New Beckenham - new Bakerloo line extension near Kings Hall Road. 'X239' renumber 'SL4' Grove Park - Canary Wharf, Things that TfL can reused '239' should get first lowest number somewhere along the line.
Or a route from Herne Hill To Bromley South Or North cos Herne Hill needs to be connected to Bromley
@@Itsdaguyfromends While the TfL '239' doesn't exist may be better for users running Sydenham - Greenwich, Cutty Sark opposite Greenwich High Road but modify it slightly to bus services and terminate down via 177 boundaries regarding when creating new routes. '108B' lost connections to Perry Rise can slip road into Lennard Road, Kings Hall Road, Bridge Road, Copers Cope Road, Bellingham Road, Hazelbank Road and Goffers Road which is especially useful residents living in Beckenham does not have a link. Most TfL didn't end at Sydenham keeps Lawrie Park Gardens bus stand that follows 53,202,284,54,75/194 and 122/450.
@@JAmoahGranite58 and Milkwood Road In Herne Hill needs buses running on that road
@@Itsdaguyfromends Yes Milkwood Road being plucked out, no links that were originally chosen by dropping off Loughborough Junction an extraterrestrial life form a restriction to make boundaries. TFL can send it through and take penalty will be a lot of the 'express' aspect planning a long distance move, London would use new numbers needed to digest Herne Hill.
@@JAmoahGranite58 what if the 322 goes via Milkwood Road From Herne Hill And From Loughborough it follows P5 to Atlantic Road
Wait what if Geoff Marshall finds out that there's gonna be a Bakerloop
he probably has already
@@MostlyBuses1 Nice btw what's gonna happen with the Bakerloo line extension cos they'll be getting new trains soon
I sent out a proposed email to the mayor or London about one of my own made up Superloop buses with the same name, the Superloop 2. Literally some of terminases and middle stops are being used for the new round of superloops. Idk if they used my ideas or just public compaints, but one of the buses is just too similar to one I made up
which one of the routes was too similar
@@MostlyBuses1 from Barnet to Stratford and Hendon to Ealing Broadway
The Bakerloop 💀
where London superloop 2 come out by date?
So far there's been no announcements of dates or any consultations (apart from the SL7 cut and SL5 extension) so we don't know yet
@@MostlyBuses1 London superloop 2 and bakerloop take so long right
It hasn't even fully finished and he's already adding more express routes?
It's pretty much finished now
We are still waiting for SL4 for the Silvertown tunnel and that's due possible next year
the only route missing is the SL4 and that's only because of an unbuilt tunnel
The Superloop 2 proposals are such an exciting prospect for the bus network in Outer London. What's your favourite proposed Superloop 2 route @MostlyBuses1? Mine is the Ealing Broadway to Kingston one cause I always thought route 65 needed an express counterpart in the past and now it could be potentially happening.
Great video by the way.
My favourite is the X493 as I see it being very well used and it'll be a route that's very useful to me. The Barnet to Stratford one also looks pretty good.
streatham to eltham is my fav although i don't like the choice for it to serve tulse hill as that forces single deckers due to a low bridge and obligates an additional stop on the sl6 which nobody wants.
SL8 also follow H32 and 482 3 of them got to southall
0:00 Introduction
0:39 Part 1: Superloop 2
2:49 Bakerloop
3:17 Changes to the SL7 and SL5
3:45 210 Extension
4:17 London Bus Company
4:45 Thanks for watching
vote for sadiq kahn
Yes the Bakerloo Line
The SL1 is also gonna ger electrified along with the 34 at the same time and the SL3 will get its routemasters replaced due to the first day one of the SL3 broke down
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The superloop between Streatham and Eltham won’t be good as there’s always traffic on the A205
same for the X493 although I still think it'd be popular
And there's a low bridge at Tulse Hill station so it wouldn't be able to use double deckers. The route would be extremely crowded.
@@nathanw9770 I think there should be a superloop from central London to Bromley via Herne Hill
@@Itsdaguyfromends Yeah could be an express version of the N3.
@@nathanw9770 but I don’t think it will be an idea but central London does need to be connected to Bromley by bus
Nahhhh the 210 should go to highbury barn and use routemasters or electric buses the single decker is NOT APRROVED 210 is already busy as it is for it to go stamford hill is just useless instead have a bus go to highbury barn from finsbury park i already theres 19 and 4 and 263 but have an extra not a bus that follows two buses making it useless for 254 and 253 for stamford hill,k to finsbury park
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About the 210 change,i thought Khan wanted to introduce a new route,not extend the 210? Personally,I think the idea is good,but extending the 210 i think would be better instead of creating a new route.Hopefully there can be a way to keep the 210 DD?
The only way this route can stay as DD is by instead of turning left at Hanley road it can go straight down Hornsey road then left at Seven Sisters road then pretty much a straight route to Stamford Hill via Finsbury Park and Manor House however that would mean there’s no bus going down Hanley road
@msuptown what's the point of that where as routes 253 and 254 go to Stamford Hill and are doing fine
people living in Stamford Hill want a direct connection
@@MostlyBuses1Direct connection to where? Golders Green? I can see where this is going, iykyk 😂😂😂😂
@@Transportman211it’s very pointless
is that Leyland bus in the 210 still en route?
it was going to Muswell Hill if that's what you mean
2ND OF MAY
SL5 will be extended to Sutton?
It might if Tfl decides to ignore some consultations again
@@MostlyBuses1 That's a long shot.
barkerloop?
Bro wtf is this change, and is SL7 being cut just for electrics. I’m actually disappointed about that. But if SL5 ain’t double decker after this extension then that’s gonna be weird. I don’t understand the contract bit public ownership can you pls explain a bit more about what it’s talking about
If Labour get into power, Sadiq will work with them to put routes into public ownership. Not many details have been released yet so the things in the video are as much as I can find online
@@MostlyBuses1 what is public ownership
it's where routes are run by the government instead of by private companies
@@MostlyBuses1 oh so for example 58 moves to a company with a government?
Just renumbering the 65 UGHHH
I don't think it will be a renumbering but it'd be a shame if it was
@@MostlyBuses1 I don't think route 65 is going anywhere. The new express route will be an additional route on its corridor. What I think is that route 65's frequency will just be reduced when the new express route starts running.
RIP SL& going to croydon
Hopefully there will be a consultation as I don't think many people would like this change
@@MostlyBuses1 there are rumours of a consultation for massive changes in the carshalton area
@@Super_TrainspotterExplain?
@@ROTREV it was rumoured they were going to soon consult on changing the bus routes that ran through carshalton. although this prospect is looking very unlikely now
@@Super_Trainspotter Ye what routes
I have to say Hammersmith to Hounslow West pointless. Or at less H91 be renumbered
I think sending it on the A4 beyond Hammersmith would be a good idea
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I go to SL6 to west croyon
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