Imperial Tanker & Proof that Fuel Was ALWAYS in Legends | Star Wars Ships
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- This is not a defense of the The Last Jedi or a lame plot device. But fuel really was always a thing in Star Wars lore, in the now Legends EU. In this video I show a bunch of different reference books and cross sections from decades ago, which mention fuel use in Star Destroyers and the Death Star. Come learn about how the Altor-class resupply ship and the Imperial Tanker all worked to fuel Imperial capital ships.
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Some additional things to consider.
1. I think this all comes from people just not listening. I said fuel tanker ships are a thing, people heard “The Last Jedi is awesome and running out of fuel is common and an awesome plot point.” I obviously don’t think this.
2. I think some people hear “fuel” and think gasoline or petrol. Never said that, never even thought that would be interpreted so narrowly. Tibanna gas and hypermatter was what my mind jumped to as forms of fuel.
3. A critique may be that hypermatter is just for hyperspace. That isn’t what the Venator and especially Death Star cross-sections are implying. The ships energy all draws from this reactor, which annihilates hypermatter.
4. You could say yeah but like nuclear or fusion, the hypermatter would last so long you would change out ships decades later not refuel them. I think this ignores the fact that SW is purposefully going for a WW2 ship battle dynamic, and that these fuel tankers have existed in legends for years.
5. It is really interesting that in the Imperial Ships Technical Journal it says that the Imperial Star Destroyer gets energy for its weapons from the reactor also. This is contradicted in other sources that say the turbolaser bolts are made from tibanna gas, unless it simply means that the electricity used to energize the bolts come from power generated in the reactor. Either way, it is called a solar ionization reactor, and that is the same type of reactor found in a TIE fighter, which we all know is as short-range fighter and definitely need refueling, something also shown in the cross-section. Again, idk why the outrage exists if everyone knows all these ships at least need tankers to supply tibanna gas.
When I came onto this video it said it had 2 likes but no views.
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Honestly the fact that fuel exists in one form or another make total sense in Star Wars. I disagree with the 40,000 tons of fuel per second number but fuel usage of military vessels is often overlooked IRL. The PT boats of the mosquito fleet in WWII could push upwards of 500 gallons an hour (1,900 L) at top speed while ships like the titanic averaged out at 620 tons of coal per day. 40,000 tons per second is also suspicious because that is very similar to the 40,000 pounds per second of fuel consumption of the Saturn V rocket. Easily one of the highest fuel consumption rates in the world. I imagine that the writer googled “largest spaceship fuel consumption rate” and got the Saturn V, then they just changed the units.
The real question is what was the toilet paper usage on the Death Star? That to me would be the limiting factor. Otherwise you’re in deep... well... you know what.
Edit: sorry I forgot to mention that a PT boat is the US WWII small torpedo boats coming in at around 55 tons and around 80ft long. Just for context. This thing was like a skipray blastboat for comparison
As a fan i have no issue with the fuel and ammunition concept. Its present in the games, its present in the animated series and books too. In Solo they used it as a plot device and it was fine, but in the LJ the main story revolved around this, which made the film into a long boring chase scene and in the end it didn't even mattered.
For me:
Tibanna gas is for main reactor and for weapons. Energy from reactor is directed to other systems like navigation, propulsion, weapons (to heat/ignite tibanna gas) shields etc.
For ion engines, there is a mass and energy needed. Maybe tibanna gas is good for both? Maybe its like kolto - almost magic stuff.
"Aim right above the fuel cells." Anakin Skywalker, during the battle of Geonosis. (Attack of The Clones, 2002)
May 16th 2002
Yes he did !!
Those weren't imperial ships.
@@Sensitiveskeptic yes I know, the point I wanted to make is that the concept of fuel was a thing in Star Wars movies not just cross-section guides or other sources
@@Sensitiveskeptic they were CIS ships.
Even fusion reactors need fuel: you know something to FUSE.
Fusion reactors are actually pretty interesting because they can start very efficient when fusing lighter elements but have diminishing returns as those atoms are repeatedly fused into heavier and heavier elements until you get to iron which actually takes more energy to fuse than would be produced by the reaction meaning you’d have to refuel and start over. This leads to the Iron Star concept in theoretical physics where it is possible that instead of going supernova or collapsing in on itself a star could burn through all of its fuel leaving behind a solid mass of radioactive iron
Or you could just say “Disney bad! Ryan Johnson dumb!” and throw a tantrum
Yeah, I tried saying that it isn't to crazy to think that if you want to say they are fusion, SW physics just goes through it quicker, perhaps the energy needs for weapons or space travel at this distance at that speed makes it so it doesn't last as long as you expect fusion to last. That seems much more reasonable than just ignoring all the fuel references. But yeah that goes about as good as you said lol. I think a lot of people genuinely thought it was a perpetual motion machine.
Ooh, I'm no physasist, but, & I can't be the first to think of this, what about a power generation system that alternates,between fusion & fusion? I a one or 2 reactor system maybe? One fusion reactor combines lighter atoms, producing power with a radioactive byproduct that then goes into a fusion reactor, gets broken down to produce more energy and a lighter atomic full that goes back into the fusion reactor to combine again, creating more energy in a self filing loop. Would that theoretically be possible?
ToonEzon That wouldn’t work. Iron is the end point for both. It takes more energy to fission iron and anything lighter than would be produced and more energy to fuse it or anything heavier. And this is all assuming perfectly efficient reactors anyway since with current technology fission is really only worth it with very dense materials like uranium and we have yet to get a fusion reactor to produce net positive energy even using hydrogen. The only reason materials heavier than iron exist in the universe at all is because of supernovas
@@andyrihn1 hm wow. thanks for the physics lesson. So then iron is basically the median element on the fision/fusion spectrum, the peak of the bell curve.
Rian Johnson is still an idiot, just not for this🤣 and you mean a tantrum like how Rian constantly breaks down and cries about fans on Twitter?
While it’s never stated outright by someone in the film itself, you can see people attaching and detaching fuel hoses from X-Wings just before the Death Star Battle in ANH. And you can tell that they are fuel hoses because they look almost identical to the ones we use in real life to fuel planes.
Well, it is mentioned on occasion in the prequals, both in episode 2 and episode 3.
" target just above the fuel cells" is a line in episode 2.
And obi wan requested his fighter be refueled after landing to find grevious in episode 3.
connor dalton I know that as well. I was only mentioning that scene from ANH for those who hate pretty much everything after the OT, to emphasize that fuel has always been a part of SW
Their probably loading tibbanna gas for the x wings ion engines
In Rebels the Ghost crew was almost always out to steel Imperial fuel shipments!! Great video 👍☯️👍
Poor rebellion
As in the POOR 🔥💰🔥
Therapist: It's okay Fuel isn't real, it can't hurt you
Fuel:
even fusion reactors use fuel take the example: The Sun....
You mean that big ball of fusion fuel?
@Justin Last Eh, currently the most functional experimental fusion reactors use Deuterium and Tritium - both isotopes of Hydrogen, a gas.
@@EB-fc2mp and sun aslo need Hydrogen to glow and don't do big boom
A New Hope showed ground crews unplugging fuel hoses from an X-Wing so fuel has been around since the beginning.
Dang right ye are
It was a only mentioned once, but in the trooper story in SWTOR, one of the republic admirals said that a lot of short hyperspace jumps use a lot of fuel
And SW:ToR's expantion pack: The Rise of the Hutt Cartel had story revolving around a new, very effective fuel
Yes because going through hyperspace still requires the main sublight engines still which at max thrust require a lot of fuel..
The fusion reactor argument doesn't really make much sense either because you have to get more hydrogen or whatever you're using
If you see thrusters, then there is fuel. It's that simple. Even assuming a reactionless drive, one has to ask: what's fueling that reactor?
Both Star Wars and Star Trek use hyper efficient ion and impulse reaction engines that work by ether ionizing a fuel or shooting reactor plasma out the back.. reactionless drives besides being pretty much the only thing in sci if that I can safely call impossible or “space magic” and they don’t have that awesome blue or red glow that we all love!
I really never considered fuel and tankers in star wars, you did a great job in showing these more obscure points in star wars.
A rebel fuel ship was at the battle of turkana.
Wait, people didn’t think fuel was used in Star Wars? ...why? I swear people will use anything to diss the Last Jedi lol.
Super Fry:
I think we can all agree the Last Jedi is indeed an awful movie but when criticizing it we must use intelligent arguments, not this incomprehensible rabble of an argument.
I wasn't bothered by the lack of fuel, more so how they wasted 2 ships for no reason despite the fact they were well aware of the fact they were running out of fuel.
They failed to instigate any form of tactics that would have allowed for an escape or damaged the enemy fleet up until the suicide jump to light-speed.... Which proves just how effective a single ship could have been in such a battle.
@@randallflagg1180 I liked the last jedi, I geus each has their own oppinion about movies and I respect yours and I hope you respect mine.
@@jellios7512 Liking something is not wrong and you can like something even if it sucks or is bad in one way or another.
For example I know that Sword Art Online is trash anime, it literally has several scenes that I skipped cause they were boring af. However with all its flaws that I aknowledged myself I still liked it for the most part, it was an entertaining show to watch.
Last Jedi for me was bit meh, sure there were cool action scenes but the the plot was dull and the hyperspace ramming tactic was just total and utter bullshit.
It looked like star wars but it didnt feel like star wars, all of this is just my opinion and I'm entitled to it just like you are to your opinion.
jellios yeah it’s like everyone who likes the prequels knows that it has bad bits but likes it nonetheless and tbh i liked the last jedi the first and second times i saw it (only times) i just think that as it was not a standalone it ruined itself as we had prior knowledge and character development like poe who went from one of the most trusted people in the resistance to some lunatic who refused to follow orders and started a mutiny. But you cannot fault the cinematography, hyperspace ram is beatiful.
What's funny they had fuel back in the early 2000s when they made episode 4`s cross section and had a pic of the fuel tank on the falcon
Star Wars ships: *needs fuel*
Fans: tHaT’S sO sTuPiD!!
Uh, no. Not so much fans as haters, though there is a small overlap between them. The "not enough fuel" thing was a horrible plot point, but it isn't even REMOTELY unrealistic.
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@@txgn221 ~ducks~ HAHA missed me! 😛 Pthpppppplt
I actually like the concept of fuel in Star Wars.
@@taitano12 it is unrealistic that an admiral takes a fleet evacuating a base without having enough fuel to get out of there especially knowing before their enemy will chase them.
All spacecraft need a power source and battery
So using fuel is not that odd when you think about it
"Haters gonna hate, ain'ters gonna ain't."
The Force will be with you, always.
"Solar Ionization Reactor" could simply refer to power generation using a method similar to solar panels... or a Dyson sphere.
Suppose that the reactor works by injecting hypermatter into real space, which, because of hypermatter's properties, annihilates itself and produces massive amounts of solar radiation. A miniaturized Dyson sphere then collects this energy, and powers the entire ship.
That's my idea, at least, to solve the issue between the ISD's "Solar Ionization Reactor" also needing hypermatter to fuel it.
Although, I will admit, I'm still curious about how hypermatter is extracted from hyperspace in the first place.
Yeah I really like that idea
If it is even extracted from hyperspace at all. I always thought that "Hypermatter" meant "Hyperdense" matter(which consequentially stores way more energy than regular matter,see neutron stars as an example) or something like that. Those types of reactors could use the different types of physical/mechanical processes from extracting energy from the fuel that stores energy in the same basic way,much like combustion turbines and piston engines use similar fuel in a different way.
@@user-gi4wg9ib8i Yup, its called hypermatter because its hyperdense. The 400.000 T per second of hypermatter consuption by the venator means if the matter wasnt hyperdense the volume required to store that ammount would be massive.
@@vampirecount3880 I'm trying to find the source of my information (I really need something better than Wookieepedia), but I recall a passage stating that hypermatter did originate from hyperspace and that when confined to real space, rapidly decays into matter, antimatter, and tachyons that return to hyperspace.
Maybe a mix of both is plausible? That the material is native to hyperspace which becomes infinitely dense as the tachyons try to return to superluminal speeds, but because of the matter/antimatter's mass forcing them to remain in real space.
This is assuming, of course, that relativity operates the same in the Star Wars universe as it does in ours.
Speaking of which: what if the use of weight here isn't talking about the mass of the fuel, but the energy produced by said fuel? Again, assuming that relativity works similar as our own, then mass and energy are related. A Venator consuming 400k Tons of ENERGY per second? Perhaps there is more power in the Star Wars galaxy than previously thought.
@@Draekmus You could be correct, in fact since we are talking about disney its possible they will make hyperspace an even bigger deus ex. "what fuel does starships use? oh some stuff extracted from hyperspace of course".
I prefer, in the other hand, to take the occam's razor approach. "When presented with competing hypotheses that make the same predictions, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions."
I assume hypermatter as the russian guy said, means hyperdense because that would be the simplest explanation. Its just matter we know, but more dense.
But yeah it could come from hyperspace, i just feel that's a lazy explanation.
Imperial Tanker:Exist
Sabine Wren:i'm about to end this imperial ship whole career
YESSSSS!!! More logistics. Seriously you are killing it with these videos. My favorite part of sci-fi is the fictitious science.
I wouldn’t call the technology in Star Wars and Star Trek fictitious just because we can’t make with our current technology and understanding! Hyperspace could exist if string theory turns out to be real, energy shields aren’t impossible nor are lightsabers, blasters, ion cannons, tractor beams, high thrust ion engines and anti gravity..
I actually like the idea of star wars having fuel tankers and the possibility of ships running out of fuel. Thats how the real world works and it gives star wars a more grounded feel to it instead of being a pure fantasy.
A classic Legends game, KOTOR 2, has the first level be on a full mining station in Peragus II. The destruction of the Peragus II Facility is a major plot point, threatening the Telos IV restoration project and driving up fuel prices across the sector. We even see the fill up hatch on the Hammerhead class cruiser, and go walking through it to get to another part of the facility!
Also, a fusion reactor would probably need to be refueled anyways. Other IPs like Honor Harrington talk at length about their fusion reactors needing large amounts of hydrogen to keep running, which has kept small craft to limited endurance compared to capital ships. Even nuclear fission, which has endurance measured in decades, requires uranium fuel to run. It needs very little, but still needs it.
Also, as I said in the comments of the previous video, we saw X-Wings gassing up in A New Hope.
Remember: "Even Fusion reactor still need to refuel!!!! Only not as often as the fossil fuel one!!!" And those Hypermatter reactor still need maintenance!!! And the Force to be with you always!!!
Really enjoy this channel. So happy I found it. Great work my good man.
most people think that just because they dont see it in the show means it dosent exist, you dont send your supply ships to the front line of battle guys XD
You do if you're the rebels at the battle of Endor!
@@kategrant2728 well the rebels have to use what they got so
I have to say, my favorite aspect of this particular video, alongside the genuine instruction and detailed information, is the snark.
Wait, hold the phone. There are people that think that the Galactic Empire is a Type III civilization on the Kardashev scale?Just because they have territory spread out across the galaxy does not make them a type III.
The types refer to the energy generation and consumption capabilities and the Empire even in the most insane parts of legends (you know, the parts that directly contradict primary source materials and some of which was made by the infamous Curtis Saxton who’d use what he wrote to “win” online debates) the Empire is still going to be a Type I civilization at most as a Type II is building Dyson Spheres and a Type III can utilize supermassive blackholes for power.
As for fusion reactors, that dates back to the novelization of the original and prequel movies which describe multiple reactors as being either fusion or fission. With one line from the Phantom Menace novelization stating that the pod racers were both fusion powered and that fusion reactors power everything from droids to starships.
Also, don’t trust sites like Stardestroyer.net. Their rigor leaves a lot to be desired and they tend to not only cherry pick, but take clearly poetic language literally and stack the deck with calculations by slotting in dishonest figures that the layman wouldn’t pick up on, making insane assumptions, and taking advantage of the fact that most people are unaware of the intricacies of materials science, astronomy, and physics in general such as how fracture/cleavage works, common asteroid materials, material density, and how much energy it takes to vaporize certain substances.
Thankfully, your work is orders of magnitude better. I recommend your videos all the time.
Thanks man yeah I was laughing with that first point too. And I had never heard of that site so idk the other stuff, my admittedly rushed reading through some of the arguments to make sure I wasn't missing something huge did have me impressed at the math and all that but I didn't actually check any of it. But thanks for the compliment and for recommending the channel that is awesome.
No problem, I always recommend content creators that put out content like this. Hits the trifecta of coming out consistently, being consistently high quality, and consistently high amounts of rigor going into the research.
As for the website, that's completely understandable. It's heyday back in the 00s and you went through it responsibly. Keep up the great work!
I like the detail they put into Star Wars, and I like how you make great content that explores and explains it.
This channel is awesome by far my favorite Star wars channel
I’m not sure why people would assume that ships wouldn’t use fuel. I’m not even sure what basis they would get for that. I mean Star Trek uses fuel with dilithium or singularity cores. 40K has fuel, battletech has fuel, battlestar had fuel, stargate had fuel, and most importantly every thing in real life has fuel. So why would Star Wars run on magic pixie dust?
I don’t care for the Disney trilogy for many reasons but “introducing fuel” that was already a part of the entire franchise wasn’t one of them. I mean wasn’t the whole battle for Malastare over fuel?
Perhaps because Star Wars is as much fantasy as it is SciFi, "the tech works because I say it works"
Even in EP IV we see rebel technicians attache hoses to X-wings, to refuel them...
They would say that is different, ISD has a reactor, that would be like comparing a fighter jet to a nuclear sub
@@MetaNerdzLore That's a fair assesment but I would argue that the refueling of even larger ships like an ISD was always part of Star Wars both in canon AND legends (as you explain in this video) in EP V we even see a rebel Tanker, most likely used to refuel capital ships in the Rebel fleet. An obscure reference I know but that doesn't make it any less relevant. Anyway, thank you for responding and of course for making this video.
@@MetaNerdzLore Thijmen Hermelink both fighters and capital ships in SW move in the same medium,which is space. They use the same method of propulsion(ion engines/whatever),so they must consume similar types of fuel at rates proportional to the size of their engines. Granted,fighters might have smaller amount of volume dedicated to the fuel tanks,but they still use the same laws of physics. This is the main difference between Star Wars and WW2. Naval ships and airplanes use different mediums(water and air),and act differently while existing on the same battlefield. Planes have way less constraints which limit their movement when compared to ships,and thus have an operational mobility advantage over them. Basically,they could dictate where and when they wanted to fight by moving way faster than ships by using different physical medium,which made them so effective in the first place. Fighters in star wars don't have that advantage,and I think that they shoud be treated like very small capital ships,at least from the engineering and physical standpoint. I know that it kills a lot of magic of the setting,but the rational part oft brain just can't get rid of that
Just imagine how different it is to be an Admiral in SW when compared to real life. It would be really cool if someone actually used this as a basis for a POV character in a book,describing all the logistical difficulties and stuff. It could even make an interesting plot point if done correctly
im actually hopping for a game like this.
@@vampirecount3880 i can imagine some admiral going after the ordnance department for "faulty torpedoes"
Something to add as well.
Fuel IS CANNON, before the new series.
Episode 3, Utapau, the Utapauians (unknown their species name I apologize its 5am) refuelled Obi-Wan’s Jedi Starfighter, and you can see the team of those mechanic utapauians refuel and work on his ship!
Sometimes you sadly gotta set the facts straight for dam trolls
Great Video Like always! You deserve much more subscribers! Keep on the great work!
It seems that in the Star Wars Universe many different forms of fuel exist with different qualities. Like the gases from different gas giant planets and the exhalations of the Purrgil wales from Rebels which seem to regenerate after an amount of time and to be endless. Which means that it seems to be the standart fuel used on most ships. Then there is the super fuel which needs to be dismantled as an ending ressource like our oil but which accelerates ships much more like regular fuel like the fuel from Malastare from Clone Wars and the coaxium from Clone Wars. This high qualitie fuel is extremely valuable, because it gives your fleet a huge tactical speed advantage.
I love your videos keep up the great work!
Fuel, what a nonsense. Everybody knows that spaceships in Star Wars are powered by powerfull force sensitive unicorns.
Well that was mostly the Republic. Palpatine got rid of the Venator for that reason, seeing unicorns as too "cheery". So the ISD was made to run on triple distilled fairy tears.
@@MetaNerdzLore is there anything that's fueled by Hutt spit or poo?
What would be equal to mic drop in star wars universe? No matter what it is, you just drop it
In the Tie Fighter PC game, you catch up to a Mon Calamari Star Cruiser as it over taxed its engines and ran out of fuel trying to get a Missile Boat and information about a possible trap at Endor to Rebel Command. Thanks to Vadar and Maarek Steele, their impatience cost them everything.
Why didn't it just launch fighters?
@@kabob0077 Play the game and find out! I think they made a new port of it on steam. Would have to double check. But also, at that time, you rip rebel fighters apart with ease. What they launched didn't last long.
haters gotta hate, sorry you got hated on man. I've always love your channel man!
Thanks man I'll keep em coming
I loved TLJ
I remember these things. Fun to take down yet they blow up in a spectacular manner.
Just wanna say that they “hyper fuel” in solo was explained as a coating on the hyperdrive so it didn’t disintegrate while in transit it was less of a fuel and more of a protective layer
I've always known that there was fuel in Legends. I have no issue with that, in fact I approve of it
My issue is more due to the fuel consumption rates seeming like something in a RoboCop dystopia now, where as before everything was hybrids because it was almost never a plot point. It's a jarring shift.
"With your kind permission I would like some fuel, and to use your city as a base to search for General Grievous." -Obi Wan Kenobi, Revenge of the Sith
I completely forgot the original quote because of all the ytp's.
In "New Hope", just before Death Star run, X-Wings have something like fuel lines disconnected from them.
Wow, dont get upset about the fuel, every cross section of my revenge of the sith book has those reactors, i knew that already, dont worry, it is worst how they use a ship as an hyperspace missile.
Very terrific explained video!
Every cross section book shows/mentions fuel. The Revenge of the Sith cross section book even tells us exactly how much fuel a Munificent-class frigate consumes every second...fake fans that just want to crap on the sequel trilogy
Don't forget that TCW episode with the Venator full of fuel acting as a massive bomb
To take the side of the Detractors: I think you could make the point that a spaceship wouldn't need fuel to keep moving, since there's no gravity in deep space and Newton's First Law applies here: "An object in motion remains in motion unless another force is applied to it."
Yet, you could also make the point that the Raddus was indeed constantly burning fuel to accelerate and get away from the FO Fleet, thus eventually running out of it, or (if we're getting a bit far-fetched here) the Supremacy, due to being so honking large, actually had its own gravitational pull, which made constant fuel consumption necessary to keep the distance, while the.Supremacy itself just needed to keep "drifting" forward, essentially using no fuel itself.
The latter gives me the mental image of the poor FO helmsmen on the other SDs, constantly sweating bullets while struggling to keep their ships from veering off-course due to being so close to the Supremacy.
But that's just the opinion of your average Internet Dingus.
You've made the mistake of thinking the ships slowed down when they ran out of fuel. They maintained the same speed while every ship around them was still accelerating giving the impression that they'd slowed down relative to the others
Not fake fans uniformed fans
Let’s not forget that In A New Hope, X and Y wings were clearly being fueled and a ground crew member was seen removing the fuel hose from an X-Wing the same way modern craft are fueled.
Yeah but the people were saying that capital ships had onboard reactors, like a nuclear sub compared to a fighter jet. But the TIE and ISD have the same solar ionization reactor, and there's all the talk about hyper matter fuel
A modern aircraft can last 15 to 30 minutes using after burner. it can certainly not make multiple round the earth trips, even at best efficiency rpm.
X-wings, on the other hand, are able to travel huge distances and can do jumps to light speed.
I remember a Scenario in one of the X-Wing series Books where the Heros had a dilemma where they had not enough fuel and they could only fight for a certain amount of time until they had to return to or they had not enoug fuel for the Hyperspace journey back. An dI remember that faster then Light travel does not need a lot fuel but at least some but fighting does need a lot of it.
Thank you another supper logistic type ship and you show us the tankers from rouge leader 👍👏
I remember that in the Battlefront II game, there was a mission in Bespin that showed in some parts several star destroyers docked to refueling pod(?) or something of the sort.
I remember reading about fuel pods being fitted to X-wings once in the Rogue Squadron books for a very long range mission. Also, ANH shows the X-wings and Y-wings being fueled up before the Battle of Yavin.
I can remember fuel being a think as far back as west end games starwars d6 books, it's in the very first book in the chapter about spaceflight
Fuel has indeed always been in SW. There's lots to hate about The Last Jedi and FA, and the chase sequence is absolutely one of them as it made no sense for a lot of reasons, all nothing to do with fuel :P The point was made in another video which i also agree with, that though fuel exists and is used, it is also very ubiquitous, as hypertravel itself is ubiquitous, and the wars we see are not fought over hyperspace fuel, as it is common enough that all sides can get access to it. In TLJ the reason they cannot get refuel is because the Imperials can track them and follow them through hyperspace, so there is no chance to stop running & grab fuel.
Fusion reactors still need fuel.
Yeah another point that was frustrating to explain. The idea is that the ship would have to be replaced before the fuel ever ran out, but thinking that fusion power is blown through quicker in Star Wars ships is not that big of a stretch I think.
Me and the bois trying to fuel up our ship...
Word
I’m definitely in agreement about the need for fuel. However, due to inconsistencies, lets just treat fuel like engine oil in term of how much is lost/spent, but the #1 reason its still fuel is because of how often they’d need to replenish what they lost.
Cool?
Yeah that definitely might be true for hypermatter, and like you said would still require things with big tanks of stuff to replace it - which we'll call refueling
Yup. But much like changing oil, MetaNerdz Lore, they’ll need to remove the spent fuel to get it recycled before its put back in again.
How did people not know there was fuel in Star Wars. The X-wings in a New Hope were literally shown being detached from fuel lines at Yavin. So this would logically mean every other ship needs fuel as well.
Personally, I find these types of videos interesting.
Lore point: iirc, in legends, hypermatter was said to be "farmed" from the edges of black holes. So it's not too far-fetched to consider sw fuel to consist of hyper dense material (maybe not as much as neutron star matter, but you get the idea).
Does anyone remember how Qui-Gon and Obi-wan first met Anakin?
Royal Naboo Captain: “There's not enough power to get us to Coruscant. The hyperdrive is leaking.”
Qui-Gon: “We'll have to land somewhere to refuel and repair the ship.”
Obi-wan:”Here master. Tatooine. It's small and out of the way the trade federation have no presence there.”
Guy: “how can you be sure?”
Qui-Gon: “Its controlled by the Hutts.”
So basically the need for fuel was the catalyst that set the entirety of the entire story of the Skywalker Saga.
Also... In Revenge of the Sith Obi Wan arrives at Utapau he asks for fuel and a team of attendants immediately begins refueling his starfighter. And in a deleted scene Anakin and Obiwan escape from General Grevious into a large fuel tank in which they have to be careful not to set off sparks.
Another example of fuel in the Star Wars universe not quite as old as Rogue Squadron is Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2. You start on the Peragus Mining Facility where they mine "shipping grade ENGINE fuel" which was shipped to Citadel Station over Telos which is still there as of 53 BBY according to Jedi-The Dark Side 1 which was published in 2011
in the game Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith (2005) there is a level where u play in an area on the Invisible Hand, that has a fuel leak.
2:52 at the top left corner you can find the word ass. With my new findings, ass is Star Wars lore now.
Stonks btw are very important.
There was a whole clone wars ark too that had anikan and mace trying to get a deal with the duggs for fuel then the zilo beast was released🧍🏽♂️
I can't remember which book it was (likely from Legends), but it was stated that Imperial Star Destroyers had fuel cells that lasted for 2-3 years of normal operations. Gave me the general notion that while highly efficient, that it was something that all ships needed to do every so often.
fuel and fuel usage was part of the SW universe since before A New Hope was named such. If you watch, just before the attack on the death star, the X-wings are getting fueled up. Fuel and fuel usage also show up in the West End D6 RPG modules.
Those are some cringingly "OOF" numbers that were put in those cross sections... Assuming hypermatter follows the same mass/energy rules of normal matter, that those "solar ionization" reactors work at 100% efficiency, that hypermatter annihilation is similar to matter/antimatter annihilation, and going with metric tonnes, 40,000 tonnes/second works out to ~999,000 petawatts per second. For comparison, Earth only gets 174 petawatts from the Sun per day. If that energy was concentrated into a laser, it could vapourize a foot wide hole through a billion kilometer thick block of tungsten, from a thousand kilometers away.
On the other hand, reducing the efficiency to the common (in our world) 30%, the energy generation drops to a (possibly) more reasonable 18 exawatts per second.
It should also be noted that hypermatter probably isn't neutronium, but a feable (and probably more economical) attempt to replicate it. Neutronium has a theoretical density of 4x10^17. In other words, a 40,000 tonne piece of neutronium would be a 2.15 nanometer cube.
And one more possibility, the term "fuel" may have been interchanged with "propellant". The engines and thrusters of pretty much all Legends ships are ion drives. Ion drives are a form of reaction thruster, requiring some form of matter to be shot out of them to make the vessel they are attached to move. The same tibanna gas that the TIE fighters use could also be used to move a Star Destroyer. And they would need a very large amount of propellant to go anywhere.
It seems that in the Star Wars Universe many different forms of fuel exist with different qualities. Like the gases from different gas giant planets and the exhalations of the Purrgil wales from Rebels which seem to regenerate after an amount of time and would be endless. Which means that it seems to be the standart fuel used on most ships. Then there is the super high quality fuel which needs to be extracted as an ending ressource like our oil but which accelerates ships much more than regular fuel like the fuel from Malastare from Clone Wars and the coaxium from Solo. This high quality fuel is extremely valuable, because it gives your fleet a huge tactical speed advantage.
In A New Hope, moments before the Battle of Yavin, we see in the rebel base a guy who refuels an X-Wing.
Don't forget about Cloud City and what their export is.
I'm not a hardcore starwars fan, but I remember seeing fuel tanks in the cross section books aswell. I didnt even know people thought they didnt need fuel. :s
I remember one of the FPS games you had to sneak on-board an ISD through its fuel line after it was done refueling. If you shot the pools of liquid, bad things happened. This was way way back in the day.
I loved in a tie fighter game the tie defender was delivered by sinair in cargo containers made me think how were fighters mass shipped to resupply a base or star destroyer out in deep space
I think the sticking point was the use of fuel as a plot point, when we never had any onscreen indication prior to TLJ that the endurance of a ship was so low that you could literally run down a fleet until they ran out of gas. That and they tried to shoe-horn the whole fuel thing into "Solo" a year later.
Any of those "Fans" ever played Tie Fighter, X Wing or Alliance? Fuel Tanks are constantly on the menu of destruction. There are even missions with Change reactions of them. We have refuelling stations in missions of Alliance as well.
In Starwars battlefront 2 on the PS4 there is a campaign mission where you have to destroy a refueling station, so I'm pretty sure that the ISD uses fuel
Just as today, a nuclear powered aircraft carrier still needs fuel. The aircraft burn fuel. The fuel in the reactors will need to be refueled, though not for a long time. Fuel may also be needed for auxiliary power systems as well. And in legends X-Wing books, X-Wings were fitted with auxiliary fuel tanks to extend range. That's when I learned of the expression, "fast, cheep or quality, pick any two".
Ooh, Rogue Squadron 3. Any chance we see the Imperial Escort Carrier on this channel any time soon?
In KOTOR 2 you start at the MINING facilty Peragus, It is learned that there is also a REFULING station there, there is also refuling and even fule shortage referred to on Talos in the chapter following Peragus. (sorry for spoiler in a 30000000000year old game)
So fuel has always been in the star wars universe, and in several forms
What did people think ships ran on? Space magic? Also it warms my heart to see the logistics of the imperial war machine shown. Logistics are a often ignored aspect of war. People always seem to think “hurr they have bigger guns that means they should win” ignoring production, training, shipment, and every last middleman
In revenge of the sith, when Obi-Wan first lands on utapao (I probably misspelled that) he asks for fuel for his eta 2.
In attack of the clones Anakin tells the clone gunship pilot to aim above the fuel cells during the battle of geonosis
wasn't it a plot point rogue squadron (1996) that the imps found Talasea,by using their fuel loads to find them,
i also remember mention of drop tanks in one the books, but cant remember exactly where
While you're on a run of fueling ship videos, could you perhaps do one on the unnamed fuel tanker ships that are visible in the rebel convoy at the end of Empire Strikes Back? If there's not enough material to make a full episode, maybe just include them in a "other refueling ships" episode with others that don't have enough material for their own episode, like the GR-75 refueling variant, maybe?
If anyone here is interested in this stuff irl, 2 common fleet oilers of the USN were the T2 and T3 Cimarron class
A very cool vessel. Super vulnerable.
How do the Star Destroyers get resupplied with adequate food & water for their troops? Something I've been interested in for a little while, How or where do the Star Destroyers & other fleet locations for where the Imperial troops staff/inhabit/live? Do they grow it in hydroponic bays, get it brought onboard via sufficiently large other ships from planetary locations?
Fuel is mentioned all through star wars and even in the tie fighter cross section the pilot sits above a FUEL TANK
there's no point saying there's fuel in my car if i cant give an exact fuel amount and fuel consumption.
there's fuel in Star Wars ships, but nobody ever explained or showed how far a ship can go, how many jumps to light speed it can achieve, how much fuel a jump to light speed cost ... so its better left unexplained if no one is going to go into more details
I’m pretty sure early schematics of Star destroyers had miniature suns (solar fusion reactors) inside them. I didn’t think they would run out when I was smaller. Thinking about it now. Even suns die out eventually
Lol yeah. And I assume you wrote this towards the beginning of the video
was amazed you brought up the rogue squadron strategy guide and said that I've still never played that game even though I have that strategy guide too. Lmao.
And yes: most starships meed fuel of some kind. Star trek: deuterium and Dilithium along with Anti-Deuterium. BSG: Tylium. Stargate: naquadah. Halo's vessels would need fuel, as would starcrafts and babylon 5s. actually I think Babylon 5 uses Fusion reactors in quantum singularities a lot of the time as well as something called the energy or Fusion cells or Fusion batteries.
usually if you're going to power something that goes faster than white you're going to need a source of: fuel.
The X-wing series is well known and references fuel on a regular basis. Most people with any knowledge of the eu don’t have any problem with the use of fuel in Last Jedi, we just have problems with everything else in it.
I mean, we've had fuel since the KotOR games. Telos needed fuel from Peragus. Though I do agree that some ships should have fusion reactors in this universe, and we'd need some throw away line about how they aren't as effecient as these modern Anihilator reactors in some crucial way.
i remember fuel being mentioned in the prequals, in episode III
You didn't mention that in KOTOR 2, the player starts on a fuel production facility/mine, a ship docks at the facility to refuel and a major plot of the second place the player goes is in trouble because their source of fuel blew up.
Pretty sure there was somewhere in legends where anikin was walking through a CIS ships fuel tanks
Add to that the book stated at 40000tons if fuel per second given that the high esitmate of a ISD is 70million tons thats enough fuel for 30miniutes if all that weight was fuel yet its claimed it has enough consumables for 2 years
A galaxy class on the other hand had enough fuel for 3 years and the tanks the duterium tanks had enough capacity for 62500 m3 if fuel at 70million tons and antimatter tanks as well so someone went wrong somewhere
Either in the ISDs mass or the fuel usage
and there was a episode in the clone wars with the Zillo Beast that the had to protect malastare to keep their navy supplyed with fual to keep the war going and not to lost it
Everyone knows that fuel was in the EU I mean in the attack of the clones Anakin literally says to the LAAT gunner, aim right above the fuel cells !
Even the ICS books talks about fuel in fact in the EU it states that a Venators main reactor could annihilate up to 40,000 tons of hypermatter fuel per second, producing at maximum 3.6 × 1024 watts of power.
The difference is that in the EU it was way, way, way more efficient to the point that you did not have to refuel often which would make sense given what powers star wars ships which is hypermatter annihilation reactors that annihilate charged tachyon's by accelerating them to infinite speed. And I don't think there many if any cases in the EU where ships actually ran out of fuel.